So...

Wayne had credit cards from Ack Mac with his name on them, he would spend tens of thousands of dollars on personal goods, Ack Mac would pay the credit card bills off, and then invoice the NRA for services rendered.  Which narrative do YOU think was in play?

ETA:  And just who do you reckon was the guy in charge of authorizing payment for all those invoices from Ack Mac?  If you said "Wayne LaPierre", you may be right.

I checked out the NRA TV channel one time. I don't think it will be missed. Propaganda channel for people that are already members.

I agree.

That is visible to the entire world.  At least they are getting content out there and it is available to those who really want to learn more about what is going on.  It is better than doing nothing.

You seem out of touch with people under 30.  The change apps and platforms like they change clothes.  They want the newest app and newest experience.  You have to cover all the major platforms to get the most exposure.  Why would all these new apps be popping up if a single website is more than enough?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcusnoel/2018/05/18/hey-facebook-gen-z-is-finding-new-ways-to-connect-socially/#156bf4871468

Gen Z-ers, or those born later than 1995, will account for one-third of the United States population by 2020. This generation has known the internet since birth, and technology has been a large part of their entire lives. Understanding them is becoming critical for companies looking to succeed in the upcoming years.

Gen Z is a social generation, and social apps are the norm on their smartphones. They want to interact with the people already in their social circles, but more importantly, they want to expand those circles with fresh new faces from all around the world. Meanwhile, popular social media sites such as Facebook are still the big thing, however, Gen Z may very well change that. In fact, a Piper Jaffray survey shows that only 9% of teens are choosing Facebook - a decline of 4% since 2016. Studies show that these Gen Zers are hungry for face-to-face communication, and many of the social media sites made popular by millennials aren't cutting it.

There are new apps popping up almost daily to join the competition, but here are the top social apps that this generation is using to meet new people.

House Party - This video focused social app allows friends to communicate via live video chat. Bumble - Bumble now offers "Bumble BFF" and "Bumble Bizz" that allows users to connect and build friendly and professional relationships with others.
Monkey - app helps teenagers make new friends through live video chat. Teens input their Snapchat and have 15 seconds to chat with a match
Discord - has gained popularity as users make online friends centered around common interests.
HOLLA - This is a video chat app that connects users to fun and interesting people from all over the world
Marco Polo - is a virtual walkie-talkie app designed for Gen Z.
Airtime - prides itself on taking social media "live."
GroupMe - Just like the name suggests, this app allows users to create different groups such as family, friends, teams etc and chat via text to individuals or groups.
Skout - finds connections based on proximity, so you are never alone. You can find new people around you wherever you are.

+10000

Wayne is collapsing the NRA to cover his misdeeds.  

For the cost, the bar should be slightly higher than “better than nothing”.

I don’t see any scenario in which wayne avoids prison and financial ruin.  The IRS alone will enjoy looking into all the “money laundering” to hide expenses/income schemes...and the NYAG may have some other criminal charges related to the carryguard debacle.

YouTube content is regionally blocked often. NRA does not have a worldwide audience. Additionally, the good majority of their programming was duplicates of what other online gun personalities were discussing.

I'm not saying their content was bad. But they could've done far more with it due to the budget they had.

I seriously expect to read that the Whittington Center will be on the block next (retirement ranchettes condos, or something on the order of Big Sky up in Montana)

Everything you linked was only four platforms plus the classic web. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and a traditional website. Again, they had duplicated content on those platforms. They could have condensed that andfocused on other additional platforms. But the NRA still does multiple papers publications for Christ's sake.

Wayne flat out said video games are bad.

You call me outdated.... LOL

I'm pointing out their waste of resources and lack of understanding. First you claim they're reaching out then you state I'm out of touch when I understand how out of date they are.

Some of their content was on DirecTv.  I'm not sure if it's still there.

I noticed that the latest issue did not have the 'Events in your area" section.

I am a Life+ member, got my first mailing in YEARS from the NRA this week.  Begging for more money, of course.  I stuffed everything in the no postage required envelope along with a note ...

Until WLP and the Cat Lady are gone, no money from me!

This is what trying to avoid prison looks like.

Holy fuck sticks...WLP has done more damage to the NRA in a few short years, than all the liberals since it's founding. Way to go Wayne, you cocksucker!!

A guy with nothing but a camera and a little personality could draw more viewers than NRAtv. FFS I posted a 10 second video of a firecracker to youtube and it got more views than most of those.

Wayne has been doing this for over twenty years.

I never understood the purpose of nratv, it seemed to exist only to troll the left. Which I wouldn't mind except it cost tens of millions of dollars, which I think was its true purpose. And then they would probably justify that with view counts.

This whole organization is a top-heavy scam to enrich the board, and they get the gun companies and a lot of well meaning middle-class patriotic Americans to fund it.

The gun companies got their law protecting them from liability in return, and for that they will be eternally indebted, but the rank-and-file are not convinced.  They don't see results.

I think the news today is more a story about how view counts do not translate into practical message influencing more than anything internal politics oriented.

"We are fighting, they are bad, we are winning, you are threatened." Doesn't make people want to contribute more.  They want results.

Everyone knows the marketing funds are a slush fund.

But even as a scam, if nratv was actually accomplishing something tangible I don't think they would have been dropped.

Well duh, not many straight men spend that much money on cloths.

NRATV was probably money better spent elsewhere even if we weren’t in the midst of a blowup. Good call.

"No matter how hot she is, someone out there is sick of dealing with her shit"  

It is interesting that you find that funny.
So to you, once you think someone is no good in a position, no matter WHAT THEY DO, even if they do the right thing, you would appose them.
I see democrats do that with Trump, but most rational people can understand how even Hitler can do something good (the Nazi's had some pretty good environmental progams).
it is also interesting that you see GD as a monolithic being, instead of the vast diversity that exists here.  That is the same way that the Left seems white males.  They believe that white males brought up with completely different experiences, are all exactly the same.
Very strange for an adult to see things that way.

The NRATV videos on YouTube were good, and I often saw them as ads before gun related videos. Never took the time to watch many of them.

While they probably weren't very effective, I thought it helped normalize guns in a time when guns are increasingly being pushed as extremist by the MSM
Kids need something besides video games to learn about guns.

Shit show.

Many on the Left and Right see minorities as a monolithic block too.

man, talking about trying to re-write history, so they aren't on the wrong side

That won’t save wayne

FNRA.  

I havent renewed in over  a year and they still send me magazines and raffles for free guns...  Im glad my money was well spent on fighting for muh rights...

What was NRATV?  24/7 running ads how they need our help and to send our money?

bullseye

I've only looked for them on the four platforms.  I'm outdated as well.  You said they should just limit their content to one website.  Those platforms still make up the major social media networks and it gets their content out there for everyone in the country to see.  Old people use Facebook, so by putting the duplicate content on Twitter is seen by people slightly younger who don't use Facebook.  It takes very little in resources to cover multiple platforms.

I'm not saying "the NRA spent the money well" as Ackerman was allowed to milk them for every penny they could get...to the point of doing work for other clients and billing the NRA for it.  That arraignment was a disaster and wasted tons of money.  But the idea of NRATV and putting content on multiple platforms is still a good one.  Even GD is screaming that big government needs to force tech companies to air conservative content.  But now you say a YouTube play list and one website is enough?

Who is they?  What exactly is being rewritten?  Many people here have claimed I made all sorts of statements that I never made. Agreeing with that post does not change anything that I have said.

A couple months back of Ackerman and Wayne I said "both got caught with their hand in the cookie jar".  That matches the statement I agreed with.  Ackerman is being sued for corruption and Wayne failed by allowing all that to happen along with his own spending corruption.

I have never said "Wayne needs to stay", ever.  But when I said "both got caught with their hand in the cookie jar" several people here started bashing me saying "See you are supporting Wayne". simply because I pointed out that Ackerman was doing something wrong. And many here started to believe that.

They don't need a duplicate NRA Twitter account for American Rifleman, American Hunter, ILA, Women, etc... same with YouTube and Facebook and Instagram.

I agree with that. Something along the lines of an official account for statements and then a secondary news or content account would be sufficient. More people would get eyes on that way also, instead of having to follow every single account on that platform to see everything. And the really important news can easily be retweeted by the main NRA account for max visibility.

I’ll be the one who calls out the danger I perceive here.

The whole goal of MDA, Everytown, etc. has been to destroy the NRA at every level.  That’s in the streets, at protests, at the government and policy level (Cuomo’s attack), on tv, and online in form of twitter and other platforms.  And despite the fact that the NRA was paying a lot to a renowned company like Ack/Mc, the gun grabbers have slowly and methodically managed to gain a foothold on the conversation.  Ack/Mc and it’s arms like NRA TV, Colion, Dana, etc. helped to meet those grabber groups head-on at every level.  They were a counter-punch and shielded the organization a bit.  They got the counter-argument out and constantly tried to counter the moves MDA and Everytown made.  Despite that, the grabbers still made progress.

Now, that arm of our ideals is gone, the shield and counter-punch has ended.  MDA and Everytown are now unchecked by any NRA counterpoint or strategy.  Our ideals are not being pushed, our perspectives not publicized on a National level on all relevant platforms.  NRA TV and Ack/Mc may not have been great at what they did, but at least they did something.  Our adversaries are now truly unchecked.

And not only that, as evidenced by the tweets previously posted, those grabber organizations are using this as wood for their fire and claiming this as a victory.  They’re defeating the NRA.  While we know that this is really an internal shakeup and we’re trying to take the organization back, that’s not what outsiders see.  The average person sees the NRA collapsing and Everytown and the like winning.  That can’t be good for us, at all, because politicians see that too.

IMO, all of this sucks.  We’re naked and open to attack.  No one else has assumed the duty of defending our position.  A new strategy hasn’t been formed or implemented.  A new PR firm not hired.  Like it or not, Ack/Mc did get us through VA Tech, Newtown, Aurora, Pulse, Vegas, Parkland, and a bunch of others along the way in the face of rising opposition, a hostile President, and a smear campaign that reaches some of the highest levels of government.

The NRA is in very serious trouble, and in my estimation, so are our rights.  No other organization carries the clout the NRA does.  And while both sides are gleefully tearing it apart at the moment, it’s losing its fear factor and counter-punching ability.  If it implodes completely, we’re left holding our dicks while grabbers eventually strike.

This has to be corrected quickly and decisively.  Doing this without another firm in place which is ready to implement a new strategy is insanity of the highest order to me.

you are trying to create a different impression of your position and viewpoint of the nra, than you had before when you vehemently defended the nra.

much like how you keep trying to create a different impression of what happened when you claimed allen west worked for ack mc, and kept saying it was a fact, while people called you out on it.

The NRA brought this on themselves. Supporting NICS and even a version of UBC, claiming video games cause violence, stating bump stocks are MGs and need to be regulated, supporting Red Flag Laws, etc... backing GOP candidates that block pro gun legislation and calling that a victory. Spending unthinkable amounts of money on stupid shit. Insulting long time members.

how effective was ack mc and the p.r. they setup in reaching out to the general public?

little to none.

most of the stuff they did, that would be seen if you sought it out, was preaching to the choir.

tell me how often you saw an nra p.r. piece when you were doing general browsing, tv or cable viewing, etc. when in nong firearm related stuff.

@SWIRE and I have spoken off forum and he is 100% pro gun. He and I agreed that there was still good in the NRA and that it must be defended. What happened is at one point, I lost faith while he still had some. We also both agree that gun owners for the most part are lazy apathetic useless people that don't vote, don't speak, and don't support gun rights.

He isn't changing positions. He simply got tired after some others did with the way the organization was doing things. He had repeatedly stated that Wayne, Marion, and the gang has to go.

And he's also stated that for all the bravado and chest thumping on Arfcom, we can't even get enough votes for Adam and Stephen.

Is that why North was an "Ack-Mac employee", because he was an NRA employee contracted through Ack-Mac?

For those who do not know. Dana loesch has her own radio show. Had it for a long time.

http://danaloeschradio.com/

That's true if you believe those vote tally numbers the NRA spits out.

I'm trying to create a different impression from the one that many here created about me.

I support the mission of the NRA.  That doesn't mean I support Wayne and everything he does.  My entire time on this website I have said "Everyone needs to join a state level and national level pro-gun organization. Preferably where the state level org is NOT the NRA affiliate.".  Yet even with my own statement being "join someone else" I still support the mission of the NRA.  A national org does not have the resources to engage in every little issue at the state level, they will focus on large issues.  State level affiliates of the NRA tend be FUDD organizations, like Oklahoma Rifle Club.  FUDDS will not fight for suppressors, concealed carry, black rifles...etc.

As for Allen West has anyone proven that he doesn't work for Ackerman?  I went off Allen West's own statement of "I sent the letter the night before the annual meeting" during that whole mess.  Why did he admit to sending the letter?  The media, assuming they got it right, said the person who wrote the letter worked for Ackerman.  I have never seen anything that proves if there was more than one letter or if the media was referencing a different letter.

Allen West released a statement right after this debacle that said unequivocally that doesn’t and hasn’t worked for Ackerman.

It's true because I see it with my own eyes.

Still listed as a client on the AM Website: https://www.am.com/gallery

Media Matters and other left-wing groups routinely get conservatives removed from platforms and have sponsors pull advertising. All of this comes from a VERY SMALL but VERY VOCAL group that file complaints, so to any organization it seems like a large deal. Even if you are only preaching to the choir (which it isn't) you can still do a lot of good by simply keeping people informed of what is going on.

I won't discuss the cost benefit analysis but sometimes but it doesn't always take an army to have an impact.

I would also argue that by diluting the message you can sometimes get it passed the filters at YouTube, Facebook, etc... better to get some of you message out than none.