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Posted: 6/24/2019 12:40:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL:
I thought you had an all Ti version as well. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 12:42:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTRider245:
Is it just me or do the ARFCOM knife threads not give much love to Microtech? B) OTFs are kind of a niche market and MT makes expensive toys. C) MT has a reputation for poor CS D) Marfione has a bad Rep too |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 12:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Natron11:
I am looking at the Spyderco advocate since I like ti knives. Is this a decent cutter? Mine is a beautiful knife, and flips perfectly with a great detent, (unlike some knives from the Tiachung factory). I don't use mine for work, as it is more of a dress knife, but the M4 steel sure would hold up if I wanted to do so. No pictures, I figure I will let 87chips do that. 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 1:58:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justabulletaway:
I agree about Protech. I wish they would get off the 154CM train. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:15:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By freewilly:
Yes, it is a great cutter with an awesome blade. The early bearing issues have been sorted out with some changes to include different cuts to the scales and different bearings with thicker washers. Mine is a beautiful knife, and flips perfectly with a great detent, (unlike some knives from the Taichung factory). I don't use mine for work, as it is more of a dress knife, but the M4 steel sure would hold up if I wanted to do so. No pictures, I figure I will let 87chips do that. 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:21:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justabulletaway:
It's Maxamet Manix Monday No, the tip isn't broken, it's sticking in the tabletop. I've been abusing this one. So far, so good. Cut up six feet of cardboard, cut a bunch of zip ties, cut a vent in a chemical drum. Rinsed it off in a cooling tower tank. No rust so far. I did dry it off on my pants. I've cut a couple of sensor cables with it, opened a shitload of packages done a little scraping here and there. Still shaves. Maxamet lives up to the hype IMO. Any of the other "super steels" would have lost their shaving edge by now. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/436951/20190624_113247_01_jpg-991572.JPG |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL: ummm...this one isn't? I mean, not you or I obviously. We're f*cking geniuses. I hear what you are saying. Some of their stuff does come across as borderline mall ninja stuff. Some of it I feel is way overpriced. They have been working on improving their customer service and if you know how to talk to them, no issue. Your comparison to Protech though is an interesting one. Protech does seem like a good company, but their choice of materials for the pricepoint they sell at, doesn't match up in my mind. And that is across the board. On the other hand, the Microtech Ultratech series and LUDT seem to be appropriately priced for the materials used. S110V? M4? Cruwear? ELMAX!? I can see it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DFARM:
There is some great food in Washington for sure. Just not in the small town (>2000 people) that I live in. I end up cooking much more often than we go out as well. My family is big enough that we can eat a great meal at home for way less than it costs to go out. Yeah small towns are great for some stuff but food options not so much |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:29:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: I'm still trying to get a PM2 in Maxamet. I missed this last round by minutes. Looks like an awesome user steel |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:31:15 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream:
As far as edge retention? I can see it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:42:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Star_Scream]
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 I found an Asian market and frozen Lumpia. Not too bad. Made a sauce from Sambal olek, soy sauce and black vinegar. Pretty tasty. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 3:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL: I thought Cruwear was supposed to be top dog for edge retention. You can see how Maxamet is smoking everything else. They did not however test Cruwear, then again, knives in Cruwear aren't easy to come by. Really, neither is Maxamet. Only Spyderco seems willing to tackle it. https://www.everydaycommentary.com/www.everydaycommentary.com/2017/7/7/cedric-and-adas-steel-test-and-results This is number of cuts in rope before each knife dulls.  Attached FileThere are some other even more exotic steels that top it but unicorns are unicorns. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 3:41:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Natron11]
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Is this the correct version of the Mantra 1 that people are speaking of? I think after looking and reading around that it is.
If I grab one, I want it to be the right version.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 4:22:46 PM EDT
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Yes, that is the Mantra 1.
Just seeing a picture makes me long for another one I don't need... |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 4:43:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoothrewpoo:
my newest belt carry (Liontribe Ringed Urban Legend) with my favorite every day carry (Hogue EX-02): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/270048/legend_jpg-991634.JPG |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 4:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By freewilly: Yes, it is a great cutter with an awesome blade. The early bearing issues have been sorted out with some changes to include different cuts to the scales and different bearings with thicker washers. Mine is a beautiful knife, and flips perfectly with a great detent, (unlike some knives from the Tiachung factory). I don't use mine for work, as it is more of a dress knife, but the M4 steel sure would hold up if I wanted to do so. No pictures, I figure I will let 87chips do that. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 4:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL:
Yes, that is the Mantra 1. Just seeing a picture makes me long for another one I don't need... |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 5:17:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL: I thought Cruwear was supposed to be top dog for edge retention. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 5:20:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WIC]
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Nevermind. I just misremembered. My chart says edge retention is the same. 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 5:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: I haven't seen Lion tribe around in a while. Details? |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:01:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justabulletaway:
It's Maxamet Manix Monday https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/436951/20190624_113247_01_jpg-991572.JPG 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justabulletaway:
I like how this testing is done with the same edge angle. You can see how Maxamet is smoking everything else. They did not however test Cruwear, then again, knives in Cruwear aren't easy to come by. Really, neither is Maxamet. Only Spyderco seems willing to tackle it. https://www.everydaycommentary.com/www.everydaycommentary.com/2017/7/7/cedric-and-adas-steel-test-and-results This is number of cuts in rope before each knife dulls. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/436951/Screenshot_20190624-150550_Chrome_jpg-991819.JPG There are some other even more exotic steels that top it but unicorns are unicorns. M4 appearing that low in the test results begs some key questions about the blade geometry and heat treat of the specimen he used. That one really stands out for me as it flies in the face of other data and persona experience. S110V too. Bizarre. They state steels, but not the claimed HRC of each. But, far be it from me to not take the opportunity to selectively use the data to give a big shout out to Elmax! (I think BU requires the use of the exclamation point when you write Elmax!) Also of note, the performance of CTS-XHP. It's sad Carpenter doesn't want to give the knife industry any love. Maybe that is part of the reason Maxamet isn't more readily available. Generally I agree with his findings based on experience and reading I have done, but there is just no replacing real life use, which is hard to quantify. Is this the closest approximation? I think one could do better. Looks like maybe only Rex 121 beats Maxamet for edge retention. Also looks like Maxamet has better corrosion resistance than M4. Hmmmmm....all kinds of interesting stuff to look at. It is fun Spyderco uses all these steels. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:32:36 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL:
Nevermind. I just misremembered. My chart says edge retention is the same. https://i.imgur.com/9lb3Lux.jpg 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:35:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL: That's always a fun site, but I question some of the methodology and some of the odd results. There are some variables that he makes light of when they are more serious, too much possibility for human error specifically. M4 appearing that low in the test results begs some key questions about the blade geometry and heat treat of the specimen he used. That one really stands out for me as it flies in the face of other data and persona experience. S110V too. Bizarre. They state steels, but not the claimed HRC of each. But, far be it from me to not take the opportunity to selectively use the data to give a big shout out to Elmax! (I think BU requires the use of the exclamation point when you write Elmax!) Also of note, the performance of CTS-XHP. It's sad Carpenter doesn't want to give the knife industry any love. Maybe that is part of the reason Maxamet isn't more readily available. Generally I agree with his findings based on experience and reading I have done, but there is just no replacing real life use, which is hard to quantify. Is this the closest approximation? I think one could do better. Looks like maybe only Rex 121 beats Maxamet for edge retention. Also looks like Maxamet has better corrosion resistance than M4. Hmmmmm....all kinds of interesting stuff to look at. It is fun Spyderco uses all these steels. Spyderco isn't afraid to try some stuff. Good thing Sal is a steel junkie too. K490 and Rex 45 are some others that have crazy performance. Here's what I've read about S110V. It loses it's "shaving" edge quicker than some steels but holds a working edge for an insane amount of time. I haven't tested this. I need to find a good user in that steel and really wring it out too. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:42:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNew ad campaign:
"With a name like Maxamet® it's got to be good!"
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:44:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WIC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justabulletaway: Oh, I agree, those tests aren't the be all end all. Real life use is different than cutting rope or cardboard. I just like that at least they sharpen to the same edge angle to take that out of the equation. Spyderco isn't afraid to try some stuff. Good thing Sal is a steel junkie too. K490 and Rex 45 are some others that have crazy performance. Here's what I've read about S110V. It loses it's "shaving" edge quicker than some steels but holds a working edge for an insane amount of time. I haven't tested this. I need to find a good user in that steel and really wring it out too. and of course Spyderco isn't afraid to try stuff. They know nerds like us will always buy their shit just because they used "a different steel." They are playing on our weaknesses. All the reviews I have been reading comparing S110V to Maxamet say get the S110V (though in fairness most people saying that cited the corrosion resistance factor, not the edge retention). The high cutting score for Maxamet is intriguing and tempting though. I wonder if there is a significant real world difference. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:45:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Natron11: Well I made an offer so let’s hope it gets accepted. 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justabulletaway:
New ad campaign: "With a name like Maxamet® it's got to be good!" |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:51:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dphill:
I handled one and I didn't dis like it but something just looked off https://i.imgur.com/fRaJK8l.jpg Tyranena. One of the truly great breweries out there... 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:54:01 PM EDT
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Maxamet decimates M4, S110v, Elmax & 3V in edge retention in my general usage of cutting paper, cardboard, twine and plastics. Stropping this steel revives the hell out of it, I kind of fear the day I'll need to takes stones to it.
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL: I thought you had at least one in S110V. Why isn't it a "user"? and of course Spyderco isn't afraid to try stuff. They know nerds like us will always buy their shit just because they used "a different steel." They are playing on our weaknesses. I bought it for certain reasons and want to keep it nice looking. I carry it, but not at work. Spyderco is my crack dealer. They know exactly what they're doing. 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:02:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WIC]
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Interesting. Just reading on a Australian blade forums page where someone was saying their S110V knife beat their Maxamet knife in a cutting test (carpet), and S30V was involved but had no chance. But the interesting bit is the guy was saying the Maxamet is as easy to sharpen as S30V. I would not have expected that.
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:10:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:23:48 PM EDT
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This is what happened when I opened a package using the Broken Skull.
Much sadness. Lost a lot of good senf there. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:47:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:48:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: notwen]
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I tend to enjoy this guys boringly straightforward steel testing.
 Insane Result: Maxamet Unleashed - The Longest Lasting Edge eta:Link to his test results, tons of steels and edge geometries |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:57:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Natron11:
Anyone ever take a chance and buy a box from TSA. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173558/73547F62-B0F6-4574-B774-EE17BD0D4AD1_jpeg-992141.JPG Can't be any worse than the LA Police Gear mystery bags. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 8:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Hmmm. Can't be any worse than the LA Police Gear mystery bags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Originally Posted By Natron11:
Anyone ever take a chance and buy a box from TSA. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173558/73547F62-B0F6-4574-B774-EE17BD0D4AD1_jpeg-992141.JPG Can't be any worse than the LA Police Gear mystery bags. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 8:29:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By notwen:
I tend to enjoy this guys boringly straightforward steel testing.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI_j0fFQhaM
eta:Link to his test results, tons of steels and edge geometries I love all the data, even if not perfect. No idea what I will do with it, but I love it. Also a little surprised to see where the Vanax 37 is coming in. I like it. I have been looking for more... |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:00:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Hmmm. Can't be any worse than the LA Police Gear mystery bags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Originally Posted By Natron11:
Anyone ever take a chance and buy a box from TSA. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173558/73547F62-B0F6-4574-B774-EE17BD0D4AD1_jpeg-992141.JPG Can't be any worse than the LA Police Gear mystery bags. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Natron11: They tell you up front that you won't find any quality knives in the box, just a bunch of usable blades. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dodge223: Go on...? |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:32:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WICOUNSEL: I thought Cruwear was supposed to be top dog for edge retention. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:34:28 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Natron11:
Is this the correct version of the Mantra 1 that people are speaking of? I think after looking and reading around that it is. If I grab one, I want it to be the right version. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173558/9A90FA4C-0989-4686-A0E2-7652C1BD3ED6_jpeg-991856.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173558/6D41AD27-4233-4782-9AC5-102E5A5E2B9B_jpeg-991857.JPG |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 10:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream:
Maxamet is loaded with Tungsten and Vanadium carbides 
Dude, you gotta catch up before commenting on shit. Your thread is moving way faster than you ever do. By the time you comment on something, we are already three topics past what you comment on. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 10:52:47 PM EDT
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Do one of you awesome studs have a Shiro F3 that would be willing to share your thoughts?
Pretty please? OAG gif for attention 
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Posted: 6/24/2019 10:56:33 PM EDT
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Found some keto friendly pizza that tastes good. Broccoli and cheddar crust. Lady at Costco said they are discontinuing it. Bummer, cause it is way better than the cauliflower stuff.
Course I ruined it anyway with Mexican street corn and beer. 
Maybe whiskey will help burn the nasties. 
Really digging the broken skull. |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 11:16:06 PM EDT
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OK, now I understand all the knife/food pictures.
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