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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:50:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, but what caused it? Yeah, something might have blown up or lost power, but why? There is no possible way they can rule anything out… They didn't say they ruled it out they said they have no indication or evidence of terrorist activity. Which at this point is true. The FBI is currently on site investigating. Which they do for every major mass casualty incident. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:50:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The approximate locations of the ship during the first power loss, recovery of power, and second power loss: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Power_loss_1_png-3169756.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/PL_1_Position_png-3169754.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Recovery_png-3169760.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Recovery_position_png-3169763.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Power_loss_2_png-3169757.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/PL_2_Position_png-3169758.JPG “Power loss” |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:51:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Until the second tower got hit they thought it was accidental. After that it was pretty obvious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Would they really come out this early and say if it were? Only example I have is 9/11 And everyone immediately speculated it was terrorism while it was happening. I'm inclined to belive it was an accident Until the second tower got hit they thought it was accidental. After that it was pretty obvious. This |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:53:44 AM EDT
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I’d like to know where Zelenskyy was when all this happened.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:54:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the left were the experts at making things fit a narrative, but the level of tin-foil hat wearing keyboard commandos here who seem to REALLY WANT this to be terrorism is pretty disgusting. It doesn’t take but a few brain cells to realize the ship lost power and they attempted to restore it just before the strike. They also jammed the ship in reverse, as indicative by the black smoke. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:55:52 AM EDT
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Didn't they learn anything from the Sunshine Skyway collapse???
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:55:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wind terrorism Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: JFC its wind guys. Wind. On a ship that large it is effectively a sail boat. Wind terrorism If wind was the key factor, they will honest to Gd blame ‘climate change’. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC its wind guys. Wind. On a ship that large it is effectively a sail boat. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is absolutely no possible way for them to know anything. Lol, sure there is. Radio communications, witnesses, etc. C'mon people, be smarter. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:57:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You gonna believe your own lying eyes? Lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure doesn't look like there's much wind on the water. Looks as smooth as can be. You gonna believe your own lying eyes? Lol Tell me youve never piloted a boat without telling me you never piloted a boat. Next time there is a 3-5 mph wind outside, take a sheet and go hold it up like a sail. Now imaging that sheet is roughly 900' long and lets say 80' high. I can easily push a 10,000 lb boat in the water while standing on the dock. Theres little to no friction to counter act the force. It doest take much wind. Also those same eyes you speak of in your post would be able to see the 2 power failures it had leading up to it. But go on describe more about terrorism. They must have used radios to command everyone to cut lights on the ship so they can fool all the infidels into thinking it was an accident.  |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:57:38 AM EDT
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Attack on infrastructure? That looks like a port nearby. Bridge gone and port is now blocked.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:57:42 AM EDT
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This is going to have pretty severe secondary economic effects.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:58:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 knots of wind will push a cargo ship that much? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: JFC its wind guys. Wind. On a ship that large it is effectively a sail boat. Yes. Think of the area that 3 knots is pushing on. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:58:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like at least four cars. The light seem to be flashing. Last truck and car across looked normal. Wondering if those were police cars that were alerted about the ship and trying to block the path forward? Kind of hard to believe they couldn't throw the anchor down if there was some type of problem and they had time to alert emergency services though I know nothing of large ships. I suppose the only "good thing" is this happened around midnight so I assume less traffic than midday. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Longer video that shows the "before." Certainly seems that it steered right into the support column. Bridge went down immediately. link
  That damn near looks intentional. Looks like at least four cars. The light seem to be flashing. Last truck and car across looked normal. Wondering if those were police cars that were alerted about the ship and trying to block the path forward? Kind of hard to believe they couldn't throw the anchor down if there was some type of problem and they had time to alert emergency services though I know nothing of large ships. I suppose the only "good thing" is this happened around midnight so I assume less traffic than midday. Throwing an anchor down will do fuck all to a ship under power, except make it almost impossible to steer. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:59:19 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to know where Zelenskyy was when all this happened. Maybe shit posting on the internet? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:59:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Happened in St Pete with the skyway bridge back in 1980….foggy night, big section of the bridge wiped out by a ship and cars just kept driving over the edge. Shitty way to go. They built a new bridge and put in the these massive concrete abutments that are supposed to protect it but who knows….ships have gotten pretty damn big. With this one I'm wondering if aloha snack bar wasn't a component….  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R320aV_34GIThe new Skyway bridge has massive pilings around the supports so it can't be hit. Seems to be a smart countermeasure. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:59:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine driving your family across that bridge at that moment. One of my nightmare scenarios. Been over that bridge a few times; bypass around Baltimore if the traffic is heavy through the city. It was middle of the night, which meant less cars on the bridge. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:00:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 tug boats all with last name McAlister and a LEO boat called Marine 1. Interesting names. Not really, especially for a police marine unit. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:00:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New phobia unlocked. How cold is the water there for anyone in the area? Those poor folks Pretty cold as you scramble to get your infant out of the car seat. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:01:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:01:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is going to have pretty severe secondary economic effects. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:01:37 AM EDT
[#22]
Damm...waking up to this and have to be in Baltimore this morning for a job. I've taken that bridge so many times in the past year.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:03:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty cold as you scramble to get your infant out of the car seat. That is a horrifying thought. Dropping 200 feet, into water cold enough to paralyze you, cars already bent and smashed, doors won't open, upside down...then try to save your child... Fuck. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:04:27 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until the second tower got hit they thought it was accidental. After that it was pretty obvious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Would they really come out this early and say if it were? Only example I have is 9/11 And everyone immediately speculated it was terrorism while it was happening. I'm inclined to belive it was an accident Until the second tower got hit they thought it was accidental. After that it was pretty obvious. I remember that pretty clearly - then the Pentagon. The ash falling on Crystal City confirmed it was fing real. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:05:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is going to have pretty severe secondary economic effects. Don't know the max of Philly and VA ports but they are big. NY is biggest on East coast iirc, followed by NJ. Charleston and Savannah are pretty big also. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:06:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't they learn anything from the Sunshine Skyway collapse??? There will be changes in rules on port operations because of this accident, just like there was with the Sunshine Skyway bridge accident. More than likely tug boat escorts will become mandatory upon entering and departing port facilities that have things like bridges spanning them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:06:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit, how can a container ship take down a bridge like that!? Was that a really old bridge? Edit: guess it was built in 1977 the same way a Tow can bring down an I-40 bridge. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:06:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 3 tug boats all with last name McAlister and a LEO boat called Marine 1. Interesting names. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:08:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 knots of wind will push a cargo ship that much? When you’re that tall and long, yes. Shit my old Albermarle would get blown around like crazy if I put my sidewalls up on the cockpit like I had a full sail. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:09:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Marine 1 is a helicopter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 tug boats all with last name McAlister and a LEO boat called Marine 1. Interesting names. 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:09:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 knots of wind will push a cargo ship that much? Look at the pics - the side area of that ship and the stacks of containers is enormous. Three knots is about 15 feet per second. So yes, given the loss of propulsion and steering, a 3 knot wind can produce quite a bit of course change over a couple minutes. Even if the wind only yields a 5 foot foot per second motion, that's over 200 yards in the space of two minutes. The space between the pylons in the shipping lane is only so wide. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:09:55 AM EDT
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Since there is video, forensic investigation seems pretty moot. If they really want to, that channel could probably be reopened quickly.
Actual clean-up and replacement is another story. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:11:25 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to know where Zelenskyy was when all this happened. Living rent free in your head. Do thoughts of the Z man keep you awake at night? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:11:46 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, sure there is. Radio communications, witnesses, etc. C'mon people, be smarter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is absolutely no possible way for them to know anything. Lol, sure there is. Radio communications, witnesses, etc. C'mon people, be smarter. If I pour sugar in your gas tank one night and you start driving your car the next morning and it dies and causes an accident and you say engine failure is at fault…. Do you have the complete picture? You be smarter. I’m not saying it’s terrorism… but if you want to chip away at a nations economy, this is a damn good way to do it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:12:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marine 1 is a helicopter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 tug boats all with last name McAlister and a LEO boat called Marine 1. Interesting names. That's what got my attention yes. There are Marine 2 and Marine 3 out there also. Small boats. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:12:32 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryWhere those emergency vehicles n the bridge saw some blinking lights to the right |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:13:00 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Since there is video, forensic investigation seems pretty moot. If they really want to, that channel could probably be reopened quickly. Actual clean-up and replacement is another story. How quick is quickly ? Just clearing an opening of all that steel is going to be a monumental task. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:13:06 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really, especially for a police marine unit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3 tug boats all with last name McAlister and a LEO boat called Marine 1. Interesting names. Not really, especially for a police marine unit. Yep. Nothing unusual about a police boat being called “Marine 1”. They probably have a “Marine 2” and “Marine 3”. If they have a helicopter it’s probably called “Air 1”. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:13:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:13:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where those emergency vehicles n the bridge saw some blinking lights to the right Maintenance crews. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:14:00 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't they learn anything from the Sunshine Skyway collapse???  Not a very robust design. Maybe the new bridge will better signage and more caution tape to keep this from happening. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:14:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Used to run the hell outta the Key Bridge, fuck ol' Baltimore and Maryland and their tunnel tolls.
Dundalk is where the Ro-Ros dump off the cars coming from Europe, should be a bunch of Porsche 911s in impound for some parts that are no-no. Sat there onetime looking at a bunch of Russian UaZ Hunters that they were trying to bring into the US. Never did leave that dock. Next to them were a bunch of new Jag convertibles. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:14:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Damn. That's a critical bridge on the 695 beltway south of Baltimore. I used to take it a lot when I was commuting from Perryville to Silver Springs.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:15:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJl9aVgWIAAwLu_?format=jpg&name=medium I know the bridge won’t be rebuilt but I bet the waterways are open soon. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:15:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know for a fact that by law a Chesapeake or Virginian pilot HAD to be on that ship. My best friend is one of them. NO WAY that happened with a live pilit on board. No way a pilot made that mistake. He was either dead or tied up. Now the ship is sinking. Let me make a bet. Its sinking right smack in the middle of the shipping channel. Terrorism? I cannot agine the traffic niw using the tunnels The ship suddenly turned and missed the cruise ship and hit the Riverwalk. I remember the pilot saying it was the hand of God that diverted the freighter. I thought I remember that the Chinese crew didn't act to his orders and he dropped the anchor, but that may be mistaken. Would love to find the recording of the time. In any case, I am not sure if pilots actually man the controls or just give orders to the crew. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:15:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is going to have pretty severe secondary economic effects. I'll be travelling toward Leesburg and up through York to get to PA for now. Can't imagine what rush hour is going to be like now. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:16:04 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is going to have pretty severe secondary economic effects. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:16:11 AM EDT
[#48]
In for deliberate .
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:17:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I pour sugar in your gas tank one night and you start driving your car the next morning and it dies and causes an accident and you say engine failure is at fault…. Do you have the complete picture? You be smarter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is absolutely no possible way for them to know anything. Lol, sure there is. Radio communications, witnesses, etc. C'mon people, be smarter. If I pour sugar in your gas tank one night and you start driving your car the next morning and it dies and causes an accident and you say engine failure is at fault…. Do you have the complete picture? You be smarter. A hacked ship would be an excellent weapon for this sort of thing |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 8:17:19 AM EDT
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A.P. Moller - Maersk (OTCPK:AMKBF) (OTCPK:AMKBY) turned lower in Copenhagen after saying it had chartered the container vessel that collided early Tuesday with the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, bringing down the entire structure.
The Dali vessel was headed from Baltimore to Colombo, Sri Lanka; it is owned by Singapore's Grace Ocean Pte and managed by Synergy Marine Group, Reuters reported. The ship was carrying cargo for Maersk (OTCPK:AMKBF) (OTCPK:AMKBY) customers but no Maersk crew or personnel were onboard at the time of the accident. The bridge - a major steel crossway that carries Interstate 685 - collapsed into the Patapsco River after it was hit by the containership, sending cars and people into the water; the fire department said as many as 20 people likely fell into the water. The Francis Scott Key Bridge is the entryway to the Helen Delich Bentley Port of Baltimore, the largest port in the U.S. for specialized cargo such as trucks, tractors and trailers, as well as a gateway for bulk cargo such as coal and petroleum products. ~800K vehicles passed through the port in 2023, moving 3M tons of cargo, and Coast Guard officials say the collapse will have ripple effects on the port's operations that could last for months. |
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