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Link Posted: 5/24/2024 10:04:57 AM EDT
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The frontlines are covered with accurate artillery fire.

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Non sense, it's been posted here that Russian Artillery isn't accurate at all.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 10:06:32 AM EDT
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From Screechjet: Remember when we had strategists and recognized operational level of war experts on the board? Me too.

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This would be a win for Putin as he'd end with more than he started with.

It may be the most reasonably good outcome for Ukraine barring actual military assistance (rather than material) from NATO members.

It would be a loss for the supporting NATO countries which would have egg on their face from appearing weaker against what isn't even the Soviet Union anymore than they were perceived at the start.

It would be a tremendous loss for western politicians and NGOs whose stream of money to launder would slow.

It would be a win for the American military which would still experience supply issues, but would at least no longer have them exacerbated by hemorrhaging equipment to Europe.

It would be a loss for the defense industry as demand slows.

I expect it to be rejected, if for no other reason than because Putin proposed it.


Boomer Cold Warriors will rage at this post.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 10:09:06 AM EDT
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Puff Face Putin. He looks like hell. Even with the makeup
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Botox.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 5:50:02 PM EDT
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From Screechjet: Remember when we had strategists and recognized operational level of war experts on the board? Me too.

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Link Posted: 5/24/2024 5:53:16 PM EDT
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If the Ukraine quits now we better get a fuckin’ refund from the last aid package.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 5:57:17 PM EDT
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but GD has assured me Russia was a SURE THING to defeat Ukraine any day now !  
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 5:58:51 PM EDT
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I would say that this will depend on the Ukrainian people. If they have the will to continue fighting to try and regain more of their territory, knowing they could lose more.

But they have to know that any cease fire with Putin is temporary. They will gain a couple years at most that they had better use to fortify the shit out of their border with Russia.
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100%
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:00:54 PM EDT
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He knows Trump is going to win by a landslide.
Better to strike a deal with Weak & Creepy Uncle Joe that will give away all of Ukraine because he doesn't know where he is than try to deal with a strong leader.


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This shit does not compute.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:09:42 PM EDT
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Lol awesome gif

I get that reference
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:10:05 PM EDT
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I'm sure Putin would love another 2014 to avoid another 1917.
He's probably fucked either way. I don't think he belives that though... yet.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:11:48 PM EDT
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He knows Trump is going to win by a landslide.
Better to strike a deal with Weak & Creepy Uncle Joe that will give away all of Ukraine because he doesn't know where he is than try to deal with a strong leader.


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I think that jas a lot to do with it. He k owd Trump will sue for peace, but that ha can't buy a bunch of painting from Hunter to get a better deal.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:11:55 PM EDT
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Ukraine would be smart to accept, but they are the free shit army and will keep going until the cash runs out.

UKR doesn't have the manpower to retake what they have lost and, barring leadership change, RUS ain't giving it back.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:18:43 PM EDT
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He can't settle for where the front lines are. He's already claimed 4 Ukrainian oblasts as now being part of Russia. Once they get to the table the Russians will want all of that territory. And any peace with Russia will be temporary.
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This

My only thing would be any peace agreements come with Ukraine getting nukes, lots of nukes.

At least 1100 Medium range ICBMs all locked in on this new border and Moscow.

Putin is buying time to refit his forces for a second Offensive.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:21:04 PM EDT
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They need that time.

Problem is that the Russians would probably make Ukrainian disarmament a condition of any peace settlement.  That would be the toughest point to negotiate.

However, the Russians under Joseph Stalin made a negotiated peace with the Finnish after the Winter War of 1939 and they kept it without further invasion.
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How much land did Finland lose?
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:21:16 PM EDT
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Big guy aint gettin no 10% out of any ceasefire.
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10% reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



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Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:23:41 PM EDT
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He wants to rebuild the mil so he can try again later.  The end.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:24:12 PM EDT
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Ukraine would be smart to accept, but they are the free shit army and will keep going until the cash runs out.

UKR doesn't have the manpower to retake what they have lost and, barring leadership change, RUS ain't giving it back.
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Lol
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:33:49 PM EDT
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The Globalist Oligarchs have no room for Putin and his friends in their New World Order
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:45:18 PM EDT
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The MIIC {Military Industrial/Intelligence Complex*} is enjoying the gravy train.
The war isn't going anywhere, much less away.




*Added Intelligence since they have to have a reason for their budget increases.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:45:38 PM EDT
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He wants to rebuild the mil so he can try again later.  The end.
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I think this is it.

Putin is facing a lot of push back against a 3rd mobilization. If he can stall for 2-3 years and buy a ton of shit off the Chinese he'll be in a much better position to take more.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:45:43 PM EDT
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Maybe China told him to shit or get off the pot? They may have plans for Taiwan soon and want to get Russia off the tit,especially if they have to deal with a Trump administration.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:47:55 PM EDT
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10% reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee etc etc




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Big guy aint gettin no 10% out of any ceasefire.


10% reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee etc etc





That post caused your tinnitus to act up?
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 6:49:57 PM EDT
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That post caused your tinnitus to act up?
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No, but my bullshit-o-meter went nuts.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 7:32:13 PM EDT
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Seriously.  Ukraine would have to be absolutely retarded to bet on Russia honoring its promises.  Right after the war started and Russia lost its thunder run to Kyiv there were negotiations that the totally not pro-Russian guys try to pretend didn't happen.  Russia's position was that Ukraine should demilitarize and not join any alliances in exchange for Russia promising once again to not invade.

The only way that a peace deal makes any sense for Ukraine is if they then join NATO.
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Its equivalent to giving up guns/2A for a promise the gov will be less tyrannical.

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Link Posted: 5/24/2024 7:32:13 PM EDT
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He wants to rebuild the mil so he can try again later.  The end.
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This. And Russia can rebuild quicker. Ukraine has to built a military and rebuilt their country infrastructure. A cease fire would benefit Russia more.

Military aid would likely slow once a cease fire is called, which would hurt Ukraine more. Putin realizes this. Russia's word is worthless, they have proven many times that it is meaningless.

Ukraine's best hope is for Europe to start getting more serious and send even more of their active military equipment. Denmark donating all 19 Caesar artillery systems is a good example. They're buying news systems from Israel while France is more or less dedicating the entire production line for Ukraine currently.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 8:11:25 PM EDT
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Lol, is Monty Python writing this shit?

Launch an invasion into a neighboring country half the size of texas, then after clawing out a bit of territory at the cost of ~1/4 of your entire military, you ask for a ceasefire?

What a bitch.

If you ask for a ceasefire halfway through an invasion, the only purpose is to take time to shore up your lines/logistics and build up your forces for round 2.

Only reason to accept such a ceasefire is to do the same, because there is exactly a 0% chance russia won’t try to conquer the rest of ukraine after licking their wounds.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 8:23:35 PM EDT
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They need that time.

Problem is that the Russians would probably make Ukrainian disarmament a condition of any peace settlement.  That would be the toughest point to negotiate.

However, the Russians under Joseph Stalin made a negotiated peace with the Finnish after the Winter War of 1939 and they kept it without further invasion.
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Yeah, but for every Finn they killed, it cost the soviets five men. When you have twice as many men, ten times as many tanks, and thirty times the number of aircraft that your enemy has, and you still take losses at a five to one ratio, you can’t win a battle of attrition.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 8:24:45 PM EDT
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All the Ukrainian military age men are not dead.  Washington will pressure to reject.
Link Posted: 5/24/2024 8:29:57 PM EDT
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I think this is it.

Putin is facing a lot of push back against a 3rd mobilization. If he can stall for 2-3 years and buy a ton of shit off the Chinese he'll be in a much better position to take more.
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He wants to rebuild the mil so he can try again later.  The end.
I think this is it.

Putin is facing a lot of push back against a 3rd mobilization. If he can stall for 2-3 years and buy a ton of shit off the Chinese he'll be in a much better position to take more.


abso-freakin'-lutely this

a 'cease-fire' is simply an OPERATIONAL PAUSE by another name

also gives him time to do more internal 'house cleaning' of factions who may not be 110% behind his invasion schemes
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 10:10:11 AM EDT
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Lol, is Monty Python writing this shit?

Launch an invasion into a neighboring country half the size of texas, then after clawing out a bit of territory at the cost of ~1/4 of your entire military, you ask for a ceasefire?

What a bitch.

If you ask for a ceasefire halfway through an invasion, the only purpose is to take time to shore up your lines/logistics and build up your forces for round 2.

Only reason to accept such a ceasefire is to do the same, because there is exactly a 0% chance russia won’t try to conquer the rest of ukraine after licking their wounds.
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Yeah. Or he is baiting. Right before shelling the shit out of Kharkiv. "I gave them a chance!". It's always about the optics. The narratives.
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 10:11:40 AM EDT
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All the Ukrainian military age men are not dead.  Washington will pressure to reject.
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Link Posted: 5/25/2024 1:11:37 PM EDT
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The pro Russia crowd here made several predictions that he would be overthrown in a coup…didn’t happen.

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You can't overthrow a man who isn't in charge.




Link Posted: 5/25/2024 1:27:11 PM EDT
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Russian sources indicate Putin ready to halt conflict at front
Putin to take more land to pressure Kyiv to talk: sources
Does not want another national mobilisation: sources
Putin has no designs on NATO territory: sources
Russia concerned about nuclear escalation: sources


MOSCOW/LONDON, May 24 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a negotiated ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources told Reuters, saying he is prepared to fight on if Kyiv and the West do not respond.

Three of the sources, familiar with discussions in Putin's entourage, said the veteran Russian leader had expressed frustration to a small group of advisers about what he views as Western-backed attempts to stymie negotiations and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's decision to rule out talks.

"Putin can fight for as long as it takes, but Putin is also ready for a ceasefire – to freeze the war," said another of the four, a senior Russian source who has worked with Putin and has knowledge of top level conversations in the Kremlin.

He, like the others cited in this story, spoke on condition of anonymity given the matter's sensitivity.

For this account, Reuters spoke to a total of five people who work with or have worked with Putin at a senior level in the political and business worlds. The fifth source did not comment on freezing the war at the current frontlines.

Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov, in response to a request for comment, said the Kremlin chief had repeatedly made clear Russia was open to dialogue to achieve its goals, saying the country did not want “eternal war.”

Ukraine's foreign and defence ministries did not respond to questions.

The appointment last week of economist Andrei Belousov as Russia's defence minister was seen by some Western military and political analysts as placing the Russian economy on a permanent war footing in order to win a protracted conflict.

It followed sustained battlefield pressure and territorial advances by Russia in recent weeks.

However, the sources said that Putin, re-elected in March for a new six-year term, would rather use Russia's current momentum to put the war behind him. They did not directly comment on the new defence minister.

Based on their knowledge of conversations in the upper ranks of the Kremlin, two of the sources said Putin was of the view that gains in the war so far were enough to sell a victory to the Russian people.

Europe's biggest ground conflict since World War Two has cost tens of thousands of lives on both sides and led to sweeping Western sanctions on Russia's economy.

Three sources said Putin understood any dramatic new advances would require another nationwide mobilisation, which he didn't want, with one source, who knows the Russian president, saying his popularity dipped after the first mobilisation in September 2022.

The national call up spooked part of the population in Russia, triggering hundreds of thousands of draft age men to leave the country. Polls showed Putin’s popularity falling by several points.

Peskov said Russia had no need for mobilisation and was instead recruiting volunteer contractors to the armed forces.

The prospect of a ceasefire, or even peace talks, currently seems remote.

Zelenskiy has repeatedly said peace on Putin's terms is a non-starter. He has vowed to retake lost territory, including Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014. He signed a decree in 2022 that formally declared any talks with Putin "impossible."

One of the sources predicted no agreement could happen while Zelenskiy was in power, unless Russia bypassed him and struck a deal with Washington. However, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, speaking in Kyiv last week, told reporters he did not believe Putin was interested in serious negotiations.

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You would have to be a simple minded, gullible moron to believe this story.

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You would have to be a simple minded, gullible moron to believe this story.

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Peskov repudiated the story on Friday and said that no, the Russian Federation is not ready to freeze the current line of contact
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 1:39:36 PM EDT
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He wants to rebuild the mil so he can try again later.  The end.
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Yeah..... although for the last few decades. They've proven they can't produce quality equipment in quantity. While the US can shit out advanced F-35s and South Korea can advanced build top shelf K2 Tanks like they're baking cookies.
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 1:43:03 PM EDT
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All the Ukrainian military age men are not dead.  Washington will pressure to reject.
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Retarded take.

People love that good ol' Rooskies propaganda. Those untermensch Little Russians can only be doing so well because of the US ISR and weapons!

And nobody in the Alliance does anything without the US having full control of them. I know the France, Germany and others tell the US to fuck off all the time. But we'll still go with the narrative that Washington controls everything and nobody really wants to join NATO.... it's just American mind control that makes them want to join.

Link Posted: 5/25/2024 1:46:36 PM EDT
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Putin sees a potential Trump Presidency followed in six months by a slide in crude prices that he and Opec can't control that stops Russia's military in its tracks by the end of 2025.

It won't matter if we don't send Billions to Ukraine, we will flood the world with oil and LNG to Europe and Putin will run right out of money to fight.
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 1:58:48 PM EDT
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I would imagine after two years of this war, that Putin would at least have SOME listening ears to such a pitch.

Wait until Trump gets into office and you'll have a much larger shit sandwich to take a sample from.

Trump will tell Putin to GTFO or we'll stop screwing around and dump some real effort into this war-type proposal, and the war will last A LOT longer..

Putin should negotiate with Xiden to get his best bad deal now.
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 2:00:03 PM EDT
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Ukraine would be smart to accept, but they are the free shit army and will keep going until the cash runs out.

UKR doesn't have the manpower to retake what they have lost and, barring leadership change, RUS ain't giving it back.
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The cash will keep flowing until the men run out.
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 2:02:44 PM EDT
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So at current lines so they get 25% of Ukraine. Then wait 5 years build up supplies and go finish the job?
Link Posted: 5/25/2024 2:07:19 PM EDT
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Ohhhh sure sure sure. Putin is gonna die of cancer any day now remember?
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Yeah, since 2022......"imminent" according to CNN and comparable Corporate Fake News....

Link Posted: 5/25/2024 2:43:38 PM EDT
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Bull shit.



Russia is in this to WIN this and is not the one that will be begging for peace in the end here.



Contrary to what our media may be telling you - Putin is not sick and about to die, The Russian people are NOT about to revolt, The sanctions are NOT working, Russia is NOT 'running out of' weapons,  and Russia is not getting 'weaker' as this conflict drags on.



Most people with at least a half brain knew they were full of it when they rolled this gem out for a propaganda 'mouthpiece'.




Last I read was that THAT particular mouthpiece was still working there but demoted and working on the actual front lines vs the 'working in the rear'.



Still being used as their American 'mouthpiece' by the UAF but not in the same exact way that many would would consider 'proper' if you get my drift.



Seems logical to me that we would flex so much after the major ass whipping and 'schooling' that we gave the third world defenses that we humiliated in Afghanistan.

Why stop with that one victory when we can put them ALL in their proper place (at the same time no less)???





The president made the remarks in Minsk on Friday during a joint press conference with his Belarusian counterpart Alexander Lukashenko. Putin was asked for comment on Zelensky’s presidential term running out earlier this month and the impact of this development on potential talks.

Putin reiterated Russia’s readiness to engage in talks with Ukraine to end the hostilities, stating that negotiations must be based on “common sense” and acknowledge “realities on the ground,” while using the preliminary agreement reached in the early days of the conflict as the foundation.

“But with whom to negotiate? That’s a peculiar question, I agree. We realize that the legitimacy of the incumbent head of the [Ukrainian] state has expired,” the Russian leader stated.
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I will go out on a limb here and predict that the eventual capitulation will happen under Biden. I can't realistically see how they can slow down the slide towards the Ukrainian surrender long enough for the next guy to step in.



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Bull shit.



Russia is in this to WIN this and is not the one that will be begging for peace in the end here.



Contrary to what our media may be telling you - Putin is not sick and about to die, The Russian people are NOT about to revolt, The sanctions are NOT working, Russia is NOT 'running out of' weapons,  and Russia is not getting 'weaker' as this conflict drags on.



Most people with at least a half brain knew they were full of it when they rolled this gem out for a propaganda 'mouthpiece'.

https://i.imgur.com/h8xHIUE.png


Last I read was that THAT particular mouthpiece was still working there but demoted and working on the actual front lines vs the 'working in the rear'.



Still being used as their American 'mouthpiece' by the UAF but not in the same exact way that many would would consider 'proper' if you get my drift.



Seems logical to me that we would flex so much after the major ass whipping and 'schooling' that we gave the third world defenses that we humiliated in Afghanistan.

Why stop with that one victory when we can put them ALL in their proper place (at the same time no less)???

https://i.imgur.com/iWGTHdW.jpg
I will go out on a limb here and predict that the eventual capitulation will happen under Biden. I can't realistically see how they can slow down the slide towards the Ukrainian surrender long enough for the next guy to step in.

https://i.imgur.com/uXp8w15.jpg

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Very possible. Putin and Lukashenko both made statements that they no longer consider Zelensky the president of Ukraine, since his term ended. Lukashenko mentioned that it is up to Ukrainians to fill that role, from either military or civilians. That is probably the scenario where Russia negotiates. Someone seizes power from Zelensky, and then negotiates an end to the war by handing over the claimed territories.

Random thought but that picture made me realize Zelensky kind of looks like my insulated green bottle set from pathfinder. Cut three holes in that sleeve and he could have a new outfit. Four if he wants to play piano in it
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The pro Russia crowd here made several predictions that he would be overthrown in a coup…didn’t happen.

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I don't blame Ukraine for fighting. I would not want my family being at the mercy of Russians.
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Biden NEEDS this right now.  If he could somehow swing ceasefire in Ukraine and Israel he MIGHT have a chance in November.  He could ride these headlines while his social media shills swing on his nuts all the way to the polls.  You know CNN and MSNBC are already writing his headlines.
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Biden could rape a toddler on top a burning American flag and he will still win in a landslide

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Yeah..... although for the last few decades. They've proven they can't produce quality equipment in quantity. While the US can shit out advanced F-35s and South Korea can advanced build top shelf K2 Tanks like they're baking cookies.
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The words "shit" and "F-35" go well together:  After 23 years of development and a program that will cost around $2 trillion when all is said and done the US military has a fleet of planes only half of which can fly at any one time, while less than 1/3 of which are even combat-capable .

Meanwhile, SACEUR reports that Russia has already reconstituted its forces in Ukraine and is now producing more ammunition than all of NATO combined , while the depleted US  and NATO industrial bases  are struggling to replace  even those high-tech weapons .  Russia is slowly, steadily, inexorably crushing Ukraine  with supposedly inferior equipment and troops while the leaders of the West pretend their latest wunderwaffe will turn the tide .  Not that they would be effective anyway, as Russian EW has proven to be far better than we expected .

Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Every Day to May 1st, 2024 using Google Earth


I've said it many times, but a lot of people here simply cannot let go of their 1991 Fantasy that the US is the unquestioned economic and military superpower in the world today.  It's not true at all:  The world has changed radically in the past 30 years, and none of those changes have been for the better as far as our interests are concerned.

China is now the world's largest manufacturer -- outproducing the US, Japan, and Germany combined  -- and the world's largest economy based on purchasing power , and they're catching up rapidly in military capability as well .  Russia has shrugged off the effects of our sanctions and has placed their economy on war footing . Even their junior partners Iran  and North Korea  are getting in on the action.

The quicker we recognize and accept these facts, the quicker we can correct our significant economic and military deficiencies.  Or we can continue to pretend that war with any of these countries would be a quick, easy, and relatively bloodless repeat of Desert Storm, and all we have to do is wave a wand and suddenly become the Arsenal of Democracy again.  It ain't going to happen without major changes.
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A lot of money in rebuilding.
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Putin sees a potential Trump Presidency followed in six months by a slide in crude prices that he and Opec can't control that stops Russia's military in its tracks by the end of 2025.

It won't matter if we don't send Billions to Ukraine, we will flood the world with oil and LNG to Europe and Putin will run right out of money to fight.
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Good point. I don't think Trump has a chance in hell, but, if he is elected, that ends Bidens jihad against the US petroleum extraction industry. Oil becomes dirt cheap again, Putin is then out of money to fund his war of aggression.
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The words "shit" and "F-35" go well together:  After 23 years of development and a program that will cost around $2 trillion when all is said and done the US military has a fleet of planes only half of which can fly at any one time, while less than 1/3 of which are even combat-capable .

Meanwhile, SACEUR reports that Russia has already reconstituted its forces in Ukraine and is now producing more ammunition than all of NATO combined , while the depleted US  and NATO industrial bases  are struggling to replace  even those high-tech weapons .  Russia is slowly, steadily, inexorably crushing Ukraine  with supposedly inferior equipment and troops while the leaders of the West pretend their latest wunderwaffe will turn the tide .  Not that they would be effective anyway, as Russian EW has proven to be far better than we expected .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6X_kSmByn0

I've said it many times, but a lot of people here simply cannot let go of their 1991 Fantasy that the US is the unquestioned economic and military superpower in the world today.  It's not true at all:  The world has changed radically in the past 30 years, and none of those changes have been for the better as far as our interests are concerned.

China is now the world's largest manufacturer -- outproducing the US, Japan, and Germany combined  -- and the world's largest economy based on purchasing power , and they're catching up rapidly in military capability as well .  Russia has shrugged off the effects of our sanctions and has placed their economy on war footing . Even their junior partners Iran  and North Korea  are getting in on the action.

The quicker we recognize and accept these facts, the quicker we can correct our significant economic and military deficiencies.  Or we can continue to pretend that war with any of these countries would be a quick, easy, and relatively bloodless repeat of Desert Storm, and all we have to do is wave a wand and suddenly become the Arsenal of Democracy again.  It ain't going to happen without major changes.
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Link Posted: 5/25/2024 4:22:33 PM EDT
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Just a means for Putin to consolidate, re-arm, then attack again in a year or so.
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