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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:50:05 PM EDT
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My Dad and I were out shouting gophers one day on a road north of Lewistown Montana. A couple of Hueys appeared out of nowhere and my Dad instantly said, “I bet a missile is coming.” Two small hills later a shitload of vehicles, one with a Minuteman III, were rolling slow on that two lane highway. I was about 10 years old and it was freaking cool!
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:53:15 PM EDT
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Why wouldn’t they just put it on a plane?
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:55:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why wouldn’t they just put it on a plane? They were likely heading out to a silo in Montana |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWonder what the hazmat sign says? |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:13:49 PM EDT
[#5]
That's a funeral procession - yours if you fuck with that truck.
Quoted: Gotta hide those non earth origin materials now that the whistleblowers are telling where they are hiding the goods.  Well, plutonium is not natural to earth, so yeah. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:18:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:18:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:22:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:27:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: cool video. never thought about how they are transported. I honestly figured they would be more low key. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt is this: https://www.warren.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/331277/payload-transporter/ |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:28:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The coolest thing about those convoys is all of the traps in the semi truck. Assuming you killed everyone in all the armored vehicles, helicopters and QRF you're going to get royally fucked from the booby traps inside the truck. I knew a guy that was a courier and he asked while in training what would happen if they lost a device. They told him if he was still alive the only way he was not going to prison for the rest of his life was he better have both of his arms and legs blown off. He said I think they meant it. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NNSA does the low-key transport of dangerous stuff. Still easy to spot if you know what you are seeing in the convoy, but then 80% of people will run smack into the side of a semi or fire truck and say they never saw it. But why try to pretend you're not doing what you're doing when you are driving out to a silo and back to the base? Everyone knows who you are and what you are doing, no reason not to make the security over the top to make sure everyone knows the stay the fuck away. And those USAF Transporter trailers are pretty interesting in themselves(cool rigs so far as what they do and how, but not nearly as 007/IMF/FAFO as the NNSA rigs). |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:32:08 PM EDT
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The Nuke from
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:33:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew a guy that was a courier and he asked while in training what would happen if they lost a device. They told him if he was still alive the only way he was not going to prison for the rest of his life was he better have both of his arms and legs blown off. He said I think they meant it. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The PT also does other things you couldn't do if you were just dumping it in a U235 Haul. It squats over the hole and shits a warhead.  Truly glorious phrasing there. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP's thing is not that. It is this: https://www.warren.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/331277/payload-transporter/ Unit cost: Tractor: $126k; Semi Trailer: $1M Damn, must be a lot of secret sauce in the trailer. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 11:02:48 PM EDT
[#17]
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Posted: 7/9/2023 11:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the shitty cabover truck? Gross |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 11:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think the guns on the chopper are manned? Yes 20 AF was in discussions to have some missions flown by NG Blackhawks. Security forces guy comes up and asks how many troops we can carry. I say I have ten seats. He goes, no in the summer how many can you carry? I have ten seats. Hueys could only carry 4-6. Blew his mind that we could carry ten without grunting. Not sure how the "Grey Wolf " will work. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 2:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes 20 AF was in discussions to have some missions flown by NG Blackhawks. Security forces guy comes up and asks how many troops we can carry. I say I have ten seats. He goes, no in the summer how many can you carry? I have ten seats. Hueys could only carry 4-6. Blew his mind that we could carry ten without grunting. Not sure how the "Grey Wolf " will work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Think the guns on the chopper are manned? Yes 20 AF was in discussions to have some missions flown by NG Blackhawks. Security forces guy comes up and asks how many troops we can carry. I say I have ten seats. He goes, no in the summer how many can you carry? I have ten seats. Hueys could only carry 4-6. Blew his mind that we could carry ten without grunting. Not sure how the "Grey Wolf " will work. Welcome to Vietnam, that's why the Blackhawk was designed the way it was. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 2:38:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2023 4:29:31 AM EDT
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Only thing I know about weapons movement was the ammo trains that would come into Concord NWS back in the late 80s when I was out there. Some no-nuker protesters thought they could lay down on the tracks to stop the train. Ammo trains do not stop, for anything. One protester is very, very lucky - he only lost his legs.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 7:30:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no The video is of a DOD movement. They don't use marshals much, if at all anymore. They have AF OSI personnel that are specially deputized to deal with citizen interactions. NNSA has zero to do with DOD operations. That is not a NNSA movement. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 7:33:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only thing I know about weapons movement was the ammo trains that would come into Concord NWS back in the late 80s when I was out there. Some no-nuker protesters thought they could lay down on the tracks to stop the train. Ammo trains do not stop, for anything. One protester is very, very lucky - he only lost his legs.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:03:55 AM EDT
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That trailer parks over the top of the silo, silo cover slides away, wings fold down from trailer sides to close off the hole. Trailer bottom opens to allow overhead crane to hook up to warhead and replace with another one. Warhead rides on an air bag coushioned pallet. Storage area armor plated because hunters take pot shots at the vans. Per memory of Martin Marrieta build in the late 90s.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:07:38 AM EDT
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You know how the movies show terrorists taking a nuke convoy?
Not going to happen. I knew an AF senior NCO who did this security; he just said that we weren’t giving up a nuke under any circumstances. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:08:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure looks like a strategic convoy. I see them regularly here. You usually hear the Huey (thump, thump thump) first. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:14:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably. I've read that the Department of Energy's ammo budget is staggering. Supposedly they shoot first and let someone else ask the questions if those convoys are fucked with. 
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:49:58 AM EDT
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Ah, that brings back memories. Except we did it in Peacekeepers way back when, a rolling icebox in the winter, and a rolling toaster in the summer.
Going from the 52 bypass back onto 83 in Minot one day during a movement, there was our U.S. Deputy Marshal blocking traffic. Except one driver wasn't paying attention. Hard to miss all the flashing lights and him standing in the middle of the road, but the driver did. Right up until the Marshal dropped into a low stance and whipped out his stainless .357 Magnum, and had it directly pointed at the driver. Tires locked up, lots of screeching, and the car came to a sudden stop. As our Peacekeeper drove past behind the Marshal, I could look over his shoulder, and all I saw was a driver with a death grip on the wheel, eyes that were h-u-g-e, and he wasn't moving a muscle. Good times!  |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:51:47 AM EDT
[#30]
I used to be TRF. We were the ones in the Hueys flying above
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:54:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In that link someone else posted about the tractor and trailer, they very specifically list the exact dimensions of the truck. I'm guessing they run cabover KWs or Freightliners because for whatever reason, this package has to fit in a very specific space somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why the shitty cabover truck? Gross The tunnels under Denver Airport. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:22:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unit cost: Tractor: $126k; Semi Trailer: $1M Damn, must be a lot of secret sauce in the trailer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Unit cost: Tractor: $126k; Semi Trailer: $1M Damn, must be a lot of secret sauce in the trailer. The DOD PT's are just designed to survive shit weather and to an extent rollovers. Like the guy upthread says, it allows crew to mate/demate (and I think the wafer gets transported in those too, @limaxray may be able to say something about it) under cover. Quoted: What part of "US Marshals used to be the LE component back in the day." Did you not understand? That infers that the US Marshals used to be involved. But not anymore. What part of I didn't comment on the legacy USMS escort.... lol calm down there crazytrain. You said that OST was the replacement for the Marshals component, or that was the way it read. They... do not. There is a video of the OSI guy that does followon somewhere on youtube that explains the whole thing, I just don't have time to re find it, and I don't have any of my notes here anymore. Quoted: You know how the movies show terrorists taking a nuke convoy? Not going to happen. I knew an AF senior NCO who did this security; he just said that we weren't giving up a nuke under any circumstances. Recapture / recovery is still part of the training, but... both D and E are going to make any erstwhile huckleberries hurt really, really bad in the process. I'd like to put the gif of the composite adversary team element members hucking the 78 out of the trailer that's out on the web, but here's a screencap:  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:45:07 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: cool video. never thought about how they are transported. I honestly figured they would be more low key. The courier services that carry redacted are super low key. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:51:00 AM EDT
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Decoy. Real nuke is in a Miata going the other direction.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:54:58 AM EDT
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McChord has the strategic airlift mission. They get flown from the field into depot for maintenance and back out. The reality is it's a massive PITA, at least for the people doing the handling. We failed an NSI when I was there on a disputed technicality that I was told later was done intentionally to force a re-write of the entire instruction. It generated hundreds of man-hours of work, and got so far down into the weeds we had to eliminate the use of any support equipment with wooden handles because they "were a potential point of failure". They'd been used for decades without a problem, but it's the old SAC absolute zero-defect mentality. That actually might be a good thing
 There's a picture in wing headquarters of a C-17 airborne with racks and racks of warheads, stacked two high. Pretty sure that was a one-off, but it's an impressive sight. I'm sure they were tactical nukes, but...damn...there were a lot of them. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a funeral procession - yours if you fuck with that truck. Well, plutonium is not natural to earth, so yeah. Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a funeral procession - yours if you fuck with that truck. Quoted: Gotta hide those non earth origin materials now that the whistleblowers are telling where they are hiding the goods. Well, plutonium is not natural to earth, so yeah. well... Plutonium is considered a man-made element, although scientists have found trace amounts of naturally occurring plutonium produced under highly unusual geologic circumstances. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:03:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh man, how I would love to see one of those dumbfuck "auditors" as they call themselves try and interfere with one of these and get thrown through the pavement I'm guessing they'd get lit up by every caliber from 5.56 to 40mm before they can even say "Am I being detained!?" |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:04:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yep that is want it looks like. Did it for several years back in the early 2000s. We had a US Marshal as a escort to ensure no local law enforcement tried to stop us for running through stoplights. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:07:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't there a video a bit back where the Convoy didn't quite keep separation and one of the escorts rear ended the nuke truck while in town? Found it. Oops!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCwlV_94kPELol I immediately thought of that video Career ending move. Though I'm sure that trailer is pretty substantial |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: cool video. never thought about how they are transported. I honestly figured they would be more low key. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:07:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe mechanics truck at the end was a nice touch. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:11:29 PM EDT
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I kinda want to see this group and the street blocking protestor types have a contest of wills.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:16:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did missile security at Whiteman in 1985-86. Got to substitute on one convoy it was a hoot. We had a US Marshal as a escort to ensure no local law enforcement tried to stop us for running through stoplights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep that is want it looks like. Did it for several years back in the early 2000s. I did missile security at Whiteman in 1985-86. Got to substitute on one convoy it was a hoot. We had a US Marshal as a escort to ensure no local law enforcement tried to stop us for running through stoplights. @davidenorth My Dad was a Facility Manager at Malmstrom for a number of years during the late 70's through mid 80's. One of the stories I recall him telling me back then was of a Montana Game Warden arresting a truck full of missile cops and impounding the vehicle and all their weapons until someone from Malmstrom came to get them for spotlighting deer while out patrolling the missile field. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:22:46 PM EDT
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Biden cut the NNSA’s budget so this is how they transport now.
 They even email a picture when the “package” is delivered. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:44:13 PM EDT
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https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nuclear-couriers-20170310-story.html
The increased workload will hit an agency already struggling with problems of forced overtime, high driver turnover, old trucks and poor worker morale — raising questions about its ability to keep nuclear shipments safe from attack in an era of more sophisticated terrorism. Wonder how true this is |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The DOD PT's are just designed to survive shit weather and to an extent rollovers. Like the guy upthread says, it allows crew to mate/demate (and I think the wafer gets transported in those too, @limaxray may be able to say something about it) under cover. Can, not wafer, but yes. The guidance system (resembles a 5ft wide tuna can) is transported in the same vehicle.  Takes two vehicles and about four looong days to do a complete missile swap. First day, the PT van goes out and pulls the reentry system and the can. Second day is pulling the old missile using a Transporter/Erector. Drives out to the site, does this:  So you can pull the missile out of the hole, into the T/E, like this:  then they drive it back to base. Then you reverse the process. Third day to emplace the new downstage, fourth day to emplace the new can and RS. MAJOR muscle movement to do this. You're talking every bit of 200 people involved when you include the maintainers, cops, helos, logistics, etc. on base and at the site. And that doesn't count the people at support bases to get the new downstage, RS and can to the base in the first place. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 12:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can, not wafer, but yes. The guidance system (resembles a 5ft wide tuna can) is transported in the same vehicle. https://minutemanmissile.com/images/NS-50MissileGuidanceSystemB.jpg Takes two vehicles and about four looong days to do a complete missile swap. First day, the PT van goes out and pulls the reentry system and the can. Second day is pulling the old missile using a Transporter/Erector. https://minutemanmissile.com/missilemaintenance.html Drives out to the site, does this: https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/mm-transporter-erector-image02.jpg So you can pull the missile out of the hole, into the T/E, like this: https://minutemanmissile.com/images/LastMissilePulledFrom564thT-417-28-2008Photo3B.jpg then they drive it back to base. Then you reverse the process. Third day to emplace the new downstage, fourth day to emplace the new can and RS. MAJOR muscle movement to do this. You're talking every bit of 200 people involved when you include the maintainers, cops, helos, logistics, etc. on base and at the site. And that doesn't count the people at support bases to get the new downstage, RS and can to the base in the first place. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 1:03:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the shitty cabover truck? Gross they didn't want to take a chance on vaporizing a real truck |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 1:09:30 PM EDT
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Your mom's dildo is on its way.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 1:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your mom's dildo is on its way. 
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