I like the nuke idea. Efficiency and we get some testing done.

They have a force larger than the US took Iraq with. If their will holds I could see them searching every building in Gaza.

My preference would be to relocate the population but that wouldn’t be popular.

That's a big tool in this type of fight, especially with oxygen sensors mounted. You have to run them on mesh or fiber and it's still slow but risk to force is lowered.

This problem is a shit sandwich broken into a million small meals. It isn't anywhere near as simple as working in a linear fashion through a 300 mile clearance, or turning on the water and grabbing a snickers while the whole thing fills.

You have to locate each section individually and build a specific METT-TC based plan for it, then work your way through thousands of those.

That would take months on top, a lot longer below.

Here are some of the knowns. Many more unknown.

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Each one of those would take a LONG time to even identify exits.

What gets incentivized happens.  Off topic, smart ass, dick measuring happens in every GD thread, and it is welcomed.  You can’t expect to turn in off when the relatively rare serious thread arises.  Sucks but whatever.  It apparently drives traffic.

So what's going about Israel now bombed the third oldest Christian church in the world? With 40+ casualties?

As a professional dog handler this seems like a good way to end up with a bunch of dead dogs.

A mesh network also implies that you are deploying a bunch of those robots to maintain your communications line.

I suspect that the Israeli public has the will to support such an action.

Also implies they have that tech and in sufficient quantity to use it in this context.

My guess is outside help for Hamas rather than simply evolved organically



https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/hezbollah-has-inter-regional-tunnel-network-stretching-hundreds-of-km-676633
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What depth are they at? If the soil there is like other deserts, digging a couple of hundred foot deep trenches across the country in an east west axis to find tunnels to chase would only cost a few hundred million.

Their strategy for retaliation on the scale of what happened is very severe.

I happen to agree.

I suspect it's a way bigger bite than the Israelis can chew.

Fired Miami dentist Ahmed ElKoussa defends tearing down posters of missing Israeli children saying it was 'an act of peace'




The Miami dentist who was fired after he was spotted tearing down posters of missing Israeli children is defending his actions that he says were with the 'best of intentions.'

'It's to promote peace, it's to deescalate the situation that we're going through and make sure that our communities are safe,' Dr. Ahmed ElKoussa said on Thursday.

The dentist's is now demanding his job back after he was fired from CG Smile when a video circulated showing him and 'Instagram model' Xave Ramoul ripping down posters of Israeli hostages in Brickell on Tuesday.

The 31-year-old and his attorney, Hassan Shibly, both spoke in defense of the video, claiming it was 'an act of peace.'

Elkoussa said the video, which shows the dentist laughing with his friend in the largely Jewish neighborhood of Brickell, was 'taken out of context.'

'Unfortunately my video of four seconds got taken way out of context as well as the way that my former employer had portrayed it, that it's an act of supporting terrorism,' ElKoussa said.




Elkoussa claimed he did it to 'promote peace' and de-escalate the 'situation we are going through.' He feared the posters would incite further violence and he was only trying to ease tension in the community.

In a statement Thursday, Shibly said ElKoussa's actions were prompted by the death of a 6-year-old boy in Illinois by his landlord, which police have called a hate crime.

'Dr. ElKoussa was simply motivated by fear of copycat acts given that Investigators said the landlord had been radicalized by emotionally triggering images from the terrorist attack on Israel. That was the sole intention in removing them, and claims otherwise have no basis,' the statement read.

ElKoussa's lawyer is the founder and lead attorney of 'Muslim Legal,' an all Muslim law firm representing clients whose children are stuck in Gaza as well as Americans who have 'faced backlash from employers, the government and media for speaking out.'

'We are speaking out for the children of Palestine. We are speaking out to stop the onslaught of Gaza and the safe return of American Children stuck there and for peace and safety for all children regardless of race and nationality,' he wrote on X.

Shibly told NBC6 that the dentist was afraid the posters would spark conflict and talked to police before taking them down.

'He wanted to ensure that there's no conflict here in Florida. And when he saw those posters, he was just concerned that they may lead to an escalation in conflict,' the lawyer said.




Elkoussa said the video, which shows the dentist laughing with his friend in the largely Jewish neighborhood of Brickell, was 'taken out of context.'



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I wouldn't count on it.
I wouldn't take any bets on that.

If we deleted every post saying we should flood the tunnels with sea water or fill them with (insert your favorite flammable gas) and light a match, we'd probably lose 50 pages.

Come on guys, is it that hard to scan a little bit before posting the same thing people have been posting for the last 500 pages??!!!

It feels like this thread is descending into some kind of fantasy war porn where everybody talks about how Israel should do stuff that everybody knows they will never do.

News flash--Israel considers themselves to be part of the civilized world, they desperately need to maintain the support of the civilized world, and they are going to conduct themselves like a civilized country that respects rules and laws.

The most we can hope for is that they don't handicap their soldiers with unreasonable rules of engagement. So far it sounds like they are not going to do that.  Otherwise, I expect them to use a lot of high-tech tools to minimize casualties as they deal with the tunnels.

To those of you who think the hostages are already dead, remember that in the very beginning of this incident the Hamas people were bragging about how they got enough hostages to get all their prisoners back from Israel. You can't  negotiate for a prisoner exchange with dead hostage bodies.

Do you think Gaza is open desert?

It's kind of hard to dig through one of the most urbanized areas in the world.
Definitely not cheap.

Depends on the check that we cut them most likely.

Here's the thread you're looking for:

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Dozens of the fuckers operating together would be badass.

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2021/08/15/N-Korea-Iran-supported-in-building-Hezbollah-s-45-kilometer-tunnel-Report
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I cant say what I want to say COC

Self propelled guns.
The shockwaves would be epic.
Get some secondaries catching out as well.
That ought to show them.

Should be some nice tunnels. We send them pallets of cash for "humanitarian" relief and infrastructure. AKA tunnel building.

https://qz.com/1273408/the-deeper-problem-with-pressuring-north-korea-versus-iran-tunnels
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Easy or hard isn’t the way to think of it. Cost, schedule and will are the variables. In any case a lot of the buildings won’t be standing at the end which is another variable and will conceal tunnel exits.

Fake News

I lived in Brickell for three years, never considered it "largely Jewish" if anything I saw more rich Latino Catholics

Anyway, never forget that extremist Muslims are allowed to lie when it comes to deceiving the "infidels".

Something that is significantly hard will absolutely influence those variables and more.

To the point where it is not even remotely close to being a viable option.

He claims to want to promote peace. Yet he chose a violent act of destruction when he could have chosen to pray for the children.

But I've already had my coffee, walked, and had my lousy day.

What fun can I have but telling people to stop acting like dismissive negative jerks online?

They say that if their God is with them, then all things are possible.

And more.

Out of our scope of what is real and what is not.

All the while acting like you enjoy making people miserable.

Cmon, at least be a useful troll, when you deflate one place, inflate somehwere else that's useful.

At a technical level it’s not difficult. Whether it would work better than some other plan, I don’t know.

Random thought:

Cut a channel out to the ocean through the city?

Some of you need to learn the ignore feature

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I don't know how feasible the idea of flooding the tunnel networks would be. But it seems something like the MOP dropped in a few key areas could at least do considerable damage to the network. No, you aren't going to take out the whole network with just a few strikes. But a few bombs in the right spot might maximize the damage you can do and would put a big chunk of the system out of action. Anything that can be done to degrade the tunnel system will help. There probably isn't a 100% solution available. I do not know how well the Israelis have the tunnel network documented, but if they have pretty good data, a few MOPs dropped on areas where critical intersections of the main branches are present might be a good starting point. Of course we'd have to do the dropping for them, as only we possess the kind of aircraft capable of employing that particular weapon. But considering about 30 American citizens were killed at the hands of these fuck sticks, I think that would justify a few MOP drops on our part.

The most important place to sever the tunnels is at the border.

It absolutely is difficult.  The amount of magic hand waving going on regarding critical parts of these solutions is astounding.

Some of you don't seem to translate size and scope very well.

Damn, must not be much going on over there but those tunnels are sure getting sorted out tonight.

It's interesting when facts and experience equate "troll". I spent time working in an organization that had this very problem set as one of its main focus areas, but please...let me know all about your thoughts on the matter since mine are apparently irrelevant.

I've given you my thoughts and suggestions, several times.  They just aren't as sexy as the theoretical alpha male pontification driving a lot of these other plans.

Unfortunately I don't exist to enable your online self esteem.

Better than dead soldiers

Always a shame when egos get in the way of information.

IDF has located tunnels over 200' deep

You say that like I’ve never written a multi million dollar digging contract before. I know how little digging that gets you.

So your plan to reduce risk to soldiers is by depleting the enemy of a half mag of AK ammo?  Brilliant, a couple thousand dogs later and this problem will be solved.

Soldiers still have to deal with that enemy soldier, they are just down an expensive canine they could have use elsewhere.