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Originally Posted By GBTX01: More strikes in Yemen just a little bit ago...
View Quote We almost need a US vs. Iran & proxies thread. Though all these things are related it looks like this might drag on for a bit and in multiple locations. |
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Originally Posted By Tomac: "We have always been at war with Eastasia." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By darkd0r: Greek and Roman mythology tell of a many-headed monster called the Hydra. If you cut one head off, two more would grow. One version of the myth held that you had to cut off the original head to kill the creature. Israel and the West are faced with a modern Hydra, but we know which head is the one to cut off. Whether or not we have the will and the courage remains to be seen. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." Eastasia? What do you mean? |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: We almost need a US vs. Iran & proxies thread. Though all these things are related it looks like this might drag on for a bit and in multiple locations. View Quote I'm guessing something like a sub forum for all these intertwined threads (war and the impending kick-off of WWIII) as if THAT groundwork hasn't been laid for a couple of years : ETA Beat like someone who didn't refresh before posting. |
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SYSTEM: Let's not rehash a locked&nuked thread
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Originally Posted By djohn: World War 3 subforum? View Quote LOL. Might be too broad but they way things are going... I would keep it to US & proxies vs. Iran a proxies. If China kicks off Taiwan and Russia invades Poland the WW-III thread will be great for all of about two days and we are all dead. |
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Originally Posted By cash50: Eastasia? What do you mean? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cash50: Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By darkd0r: Greek and Roman mythology tell of a many-headed monster called the Hydra. If you cut one head off, two more would grow. One version of the myth held that you had to cut off the original head to kill the creature. Israel and the West are faced with a modern Hydra, but we know which head is the one to cut off. Whether or not we have the will and the courage remains to be seen. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." Eastasia? What do you mean? Attached File |
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People who think Iran / Russia and China aren't actually out to get us...
Iran / Russia are seeking to deny us resources though military violence, controlling shipping lanes and controlling resources in places like Africa, with a long term goal of strangling us. China is pursuing a similar strategy except more based on diplomacy and economic influence than actual military intervention, so far... Both groups are actively using espionage to steal our technology (especially China) and disrupt our political and economic system (especially Russia). A lot of folks are complacent thinking whatever happens overseas will have no effect on them / how bad can it get. We have enjoyed a great standard of living for a long time, and there is no reason that shouldn't continue. But it's not guaranteed to continue. If we fail to protect our interests things like fuel shortages, sky high food prices, hunger, etc, can eventually happen to us. |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: Are we finally admitting this is ALL one big conflict? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By BM1455: We almost need a US vs. Iran & proxies thread. Though all these things are related it looks like this might drag on for a bit and in multiple locations. Always has been . |
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Originally Posted By cash50: Eastasia? What do you mean? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cash50: Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By darkd0r: Greek and Roman mythology tell of a many-headed monster called the Hydra. If you cut one head off, two more would grow. One version of the myth held that you had to cut off the original head to kill the creature. Israel and the West are faced with a modern Hydra, but we know which head is the one to cut off. Whether or not we have the will and the courage remains to be seen. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." Eastasia? What do you mean? Iran, since 1979. Eastasia quote is from the dystopian novel "1984" by George Orwell. The populace is is kept aroused by constant war among 3 major powers, who sometimes shift alliances, but the "news" then reports that "we have always been at war with" the newly aligned adversary, which used to be an ally. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: Are we finally admitting this is ALL one big conflict? View Quote Who's we? It's more of a thread function on this site and weather it would be better to have one big thread minus Israel's own wars or not. Chasing down small threads on daily incidents a week or more later seems to become a PITA but that is sort of how this has rolled out. Not sure what folks think on the matter. |
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416: People who think Iran / Russia and China aren't actually out to get us... Iran / Russia are seeking to deny us resources though military violence, controlling shipping lanes and controlling resources in places like Africa, with a long term goal of strangling us. China is pursuing a similar strategy except more based on diplomacy and economic influence than actual military intervention, so far... Both groups are actively using espionage to steal our technology (especially China) and disrupt our political and economic system (especially Russia). A lot of folks are complacent thinking whatever happens overseas will have no effect on them / how bad can it get. We have enjoyed a great standard of living for a long time, and there is no reason that shouldn't continue. But it's not guaranteed to continue. If we fail to protect our interests things like fuel shortages, sky high food prices, hunger, etc, can eventually happen to us. View Quote The DAMN TRUTH! |
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Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
View Quote Why do these fucking morons keep telling our enemies we don't want escalation? Our goal is to eliminate threats to critical sea lanes and other US regional interests. The only thing we should say is we tried diplomatic means to get the Houthis to stop, the Saudis offered them money, and we exhibited extraordinary restraint but to no avail.Our goal now is to destroy and degrade Houthi capabilities so they can't attack shipping or other critical US interests. The Houthis started this and can stop whenever they want. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By cash50: Eastasia? What do you mean? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cash50: Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By darkd0r: Greek and Roman mythology tell of a many-headed monster called the Hydra. If you cut one head off, two more would grow. One version of the myth held that you had to cut off the original head to kill the creature. Israel and the West are faced with a modern Hydra, but we know which head is the one to cut off. Whether or not we have the will and the courage remains to be seen. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." Eastasia? What do you mean? Kids these days. |
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Jerusalem Post: Three IDF soldiers killed in ambush in Khan Yunis. The IDF on Monday announced that three IDF soldiers were killed in an ambush in Khan Yunis. The three were IDF Maj. David Nati Alfasi, 27 from Beersheba, IDF Maj. Ilay Levy, 24 from Tel Aviv, and IDF Capt. Eyal Mevorach Twito, 22 from Beit Gamliel. All three were in Battalion 202 of the paratroopers. The total number of fallen soldiers since October 7 is now 535. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Times of Israel--US, Britain say underground storage site targeted in latest strikes on Yemen’s Houthis
The United States and Britain carried out an additional round of strikes against Yemen’s Houthis over their targeting of Red Sea shipping, the Pentagon says, targeting an underground storage site, missiles and other Houthi military capabilities. The Pentagon details the eight new strikes in a joint statement with Britain, as well as from Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands, which supported the latest military action, the statement says. “These precision strikes are intended to disrupt and degrade the capabilities that the Houthis use to threaten global trade and the lives of innocent mariners,” the statement says. A separate statement from the UK Ministry of Defence says British aircraft used precision-guided bombs to strike multiple targets near the Sanaa airfield. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Institute for Study of War backgrounder 22 Jan Key Takeaways: The Southern Gaza Strip: Israeli forces “expanded” ground operations in Khan Younis to “dismantle” Hamas’ military forces in Khan Younis. The IDF 98th Division is executing the “expanded” ground operation in western Khan Younis. Palestinian militias are continuing to execute a deliberate defense against the Israeli ground operation in western Khan Younis. Israeli media described the operation as the “fiercest battle” between the IDF and Palestinian militias. An Israeli military correspondent reported that the 98th Division isolated the Khan Younis Refugee Camp after airstrikes overnight on January 21 and 22 Hamas and other Palestinian fighters are likely in the early stages of the reconstitution of their military and governance capabilities in the northern Gaza Strip. The IDF has decreased its footprint in the northern Gaza Strip since December 31, which created an absence of authority. There is no functioning civil authority in the northern Strip, which permits Hamas-backed governing structures to reemerge in some areas. The Israeli Army Radio’s military correspondent reported on January 16 that Hamas is attempting to reconstitute its local Police in the northern Gaza Strip and that the humanitarian aid arriving in the northern Strip comes immediately “into the hands of Hamas.” Hamas and other Palestinian fighters have engaged Israeli forces east of Jabalia since January 18, when Hamas claimed five attacks targeting Israeli forces. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), mortared an Israeli supply line east of Jabalia in a combined operation with Hamas fighters on January 22. Palestinian militias are also reconstituting militarily elsewhere in the northern Gaza Strip. Local Gazan activists and journalists reported heavy fighting in Tel al Hawa near the al Katiba Square in southwestern Gaza City on January 21. The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), a leftist Palestinian militia aligned with Hamas in this war, ambushed an Israeli infantry unit that breached a house in Bureij on January 22. The West Bank: Israeli forces clashed with Palestinian fighters seven times across the West Bank on January 22. This number of attacks is consistent with the daily attack rate over the past week. The military wing of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine—the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades—claimed on January 22 that it conducted a combined attack with the al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades south of Jenin. This is the group’s first attack in the West Bank since October 12. Northern Israel and Southern Lebanon: Lebanese Hezbollah conducted nine attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel on January 22. Iraq: The US Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control sanctioned Iraqi airline Fly Baghdad for aiding the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force and its militias in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—claimed responsibility for three attacks targeting US positions in Syria and Iraq on January 22. The group fired two barrages of rockets targeting US forces at the Conoco Mission Support Site in Deir ez Zor Province. The group separately claimed a drone attack targeting US forces at Ain al Asad airbase in western Iraq. Yemen: The Houthis claimed that they conducted a missile attack targeting an American military cargo ship in the Gulf of Aden on January 22. The Houthis are seeking new weapons from Iran, according to a January 21 report by Politico. Politico cites US and Western intelligence that the Houthis are lobbying Iran for additional weapons needed to launch missiles at freighters. Iran: The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) held a funeral ceremony in Tehran on January 22 for three IRGC Quds Force officers that Israel killed in Syria. Israel’s strike on January 20 was a response to Iran’s efforts to accelerate its supply of military equipment to Hezbollah, which is using the equipment to support attacks into northern Israel. The Iranian and Pakistani foreign affairs ministries announced on January 22 that the two countries plan to renormalize diplomatic relations. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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"Twenty-one Israeli soldiers were killed during fighting in southern Gaza on Monday, the military said, in the biggest single loss of life for Israeli troops inside the battered enclave since the war with Hamas began.
"In a televised statement Tuesday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said..."Simultaneously, two two-story buildings collapsed on soldiers following an explosion. Most of the Israeli forces killed were in or near the buildings, he said. "The buildings probably exploded because of the mines that our forces laid there, in preparation to demolish them and the infrastructure around," - CNN |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftIsraelCOTJanuary%2022%2C2024.png Institute for Study of War backgrounder 22 Jan https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Gaza%20Clearing%20Map%20January%2022%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/IDFORBATGaza%20January%2022%2C%202023.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Regional%20Battle%20Map%20Draft%20January%2022%2C2024.png View Quote Looks like they are occupying the north. Annexed? |
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Let's go Brandon Staff NCO in the Arfcom pro-Ukraine Army |
Times of Israel: In deadliest incident of Gaza combat, 21 soldiers killed as buildings collapse in blast Explosion possibly caused by Palestinian RPG attack as IDF prepared structures for demolition using explosives, death toll in ground op reaches 219
Highpoints: In deadliest incident of Gaza combat, 21 soldiers killed as buildings collapse in blast Twenty-one Israeli soldiers were killed Monday when they came under attack in the southern Gaza Strip, triggering a blast that collapsed two buildings with soldiers inside them, the military said Tuesday morning. The buildings were being rigged for demolition by troops when Palestinian gunmen fired an RPG at a tank securing the forces. A second blast then occurred in the buildings, possibly as a result of a second RPG, leading to their collapse. It was the single deadliest incident since the start of Israel’s ground offensive in the enclave, and raised the military death toll in the operation to 219. At a press conference Tuesday morning, Israel Defense Forces Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said that troops were operating in an area around 600 meters from the border, across from the southern Israeli community of Kissufim. They were destroying structures and Hamas sites as part of the army’s efforts to establish a buffer zone to allow residents of Israeli border communities to return to their homes. “At around 4 p.m., an RPG was fired by gunmen at a tank securing the forces, and simultaneously, an explosion occurred in two two-story buildings. The buildings collapsed due to this explosion, while most of the forces were inside and near them,” he said. According to military sources, two of the soldiers were killed by the RPG fire on the tank. Several other soldiers were wounded in the blast, including one in serious condition. Hagari said the explosion in the buildings was likely a result of mines planted by troops for the purpose of later demolishing the structures, but the cause of the detonation was still under investigation. The buildings may have been hit by a second RPG. Rescue forces described the scene as reminiscent of the aftermath of an earthquake. View Quote Full article in spoiler: Click To View Spoiler In deadliest incident of Gaza combat, 21 soldiers killed as buildings collapse in blast
Explosion possibly caused by Palestinian RPG attack as IDF prepared structures for demolition using explosives, with nearby tank hit by a missile; death toll in ground op reaches Twenty-one Israeli soldiers were killed Monday when they came under attack in the southern Gaza Strip, triggering a blast that collapsed two buildings with soldiers inside them, the military said Tuesday morning. The buildings were being rigged for demolition by troops when Palestinian gunmen fired an RPG at a tank securing the forces. A second blast then occurred in the buildings, possibly as a result of a second RPG, leading to their collapse. It was the single deadliest incident since the start of Israel’s ground offensive in the enclave, and raised the military death toll in the operation to 219. At a press conference Tuesday morning, Israel Defense Forces Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said that troops were operating in an area around 600 meters from the border, across from the southern Israeli community of Kissufim. They were destroying structures and Hamas sites as part of the army’s efforts to establish a buffer zone to allow residents of Israeli border communities to return to their homes. “At around 4 p.m., an RPG was fired by gunmen at a tank securing the forces, and simultaneously, an explosion occurred in two two-story buildings. The buildings collapsed due to this explosion, while most of the forces were inside and near them,” he said. According to military sources, two of the soldiers were killed by the RPG fire on the tank. Several other soldiers were wounded in the blast, including one in serious condition. Hagari said the explosion in the buildings was likely a result of mines planted by troops for the purpose of later demolishing the structures, but the cause of the detonation was still under investigation. The buildings may have been hit by a second RPG. Rescue forces described the scene as reminiscent of the aftermath of an earthquake. For several hours, a large number of troops from the IDF’s search and rescue units worked to extract the casualties from the collapsed buildings. The IDF was investigating the circumstances of the incident in order to prevent its recurrence. By Tuesday afternoon, the IDF named all 21 soldiers killed in the incident, all of them reservists. They were named as: Sgt. Maj. (res.) Matan Lazar, 32, of the 261st Brigade’s 6261st Battalion, from Haifa. Sgt. First Class (res.) Hadar Kapeluk, 23, a squad commander in the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Mevo Beitar. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Sergey Gontmaher, 37, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Ramat Gan. Sgt. First Class (res.) Elkana Yehuda Sfez, 25, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Kiryat Arba. Sgt. First Class (res.) Yuval Lopez, 27,of the 205th Brigade’s 9206th Battalion, from Alon Shvut. Master Sgt. (res.) Yoav Levi, 29, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Yehud-Monosson. Sgt. First Class (res.) Nicholas Berger, 22, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Jerusalem. Sgt. First Class (res.) Cedrick Garin, 23, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Tel Aviv. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Rafael Elias Mosheyoff, 33, of the 261st Brigade’s 6261st Battalion, from Pardes Hanna-Karkur. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Barak Haim Ben Valid, 33, a squad commander in the 261st Brigade’s 6261st Battalion, from Rishon Lezion. Sgt. First Class (res.) Ahmad Abu Latif, 26, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Rahat. Cpt. (res.) Nir Binyamin, 29, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Givatayim. Master Sgt. (res.) Elkana Vizel, 35, a squad commander in the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Bnei Dakalim. Sgt. First Class (res.) Israel Socol, 24, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Karnei Shomron. Cpt. (res.) Ariel Mordechay Wollfstal, 28, of the 205th Brigade’s 9206th Battalion, from Elazar. Sgt. First Class (res.) Sagi Idan, 24, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Rosh Haayin. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Mark Kononovich, 35, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Herzliya. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Itamar Tal, 32, of the 261st Brigade’s 6261st Battalion, from Mesilot. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Adam Bismut, 35, a squad commander in the 261st Brigade’s 6261st Battalion, from Karnei Shomron. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Shay Biton Hayun, 40, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Zichron Yaakov. Sgt. Maj. (res.) Daniel Kasau Zegeye, 38, of the 261st Brigade’s 8208th Battalion, from Yokne’am Illit. An additional three soldiers were killed in combat Monday as part of a stepped-up assault on the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. Israel launched the offensive on Gaza after the October 7 Hamas onslaught into southern Israel when terrorists overran military bases, communities and a music festival, killing some 1,200 people, most of them civilians, amid widespread scenes of horrific abuse. The terrorists also took 253 hostages. Israel vowed to destroy Hamas and free the hostages. However, three months in, the offensive has not yet achieved those goals and pressure has mounted within Israel to reach a deal with the terror group for the return of 136 people still held in Gaza — not all of them alive. International pressure has also intensified to bring the war to an end, amid the mounting Palestinian toll and the deteriorating humanitarian situation in Gaza. The Hamas-run health ministry said Monday that 25,295 Gazans had been killed so far in the war, an unverified figure that includes Hamas operatives as well as those killed in failed Palestinian rocket launches. The IDF says it has killed more than 9,000 Hamas members since launching the offensive. A further 1,000 were killed in Israel on October 7. Israel has intensified its military campaign in southern Gaza in recent days, focused on the city of Khan Younis. Four brigades, led by the 98th Division, are taking part in the offensive, which began Sunday with a series of airstrikes on Hamas sites in the area and has continued with intensive gun battles that the IDF says have killed dozens of gunmen. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Tuesday the heavy losses suffered by the military only underlined the necessity to push on. “Our hearts are with the dear families in their most difficult time,” Gallant wrote of the “difficult and painful morning.” But, he said, “this is a war that will determine the future of Israel for decades to come – the fall of the soldiers compels us to achieve the goals of the fighting.” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he mourned the deaths and wished to “strengthen the dear families of our heroic warriors who fell on the battlefield. I know that for these families, their lives will be changed forever.” Israel will “will not stop fighting until absolute victory,” he said. “The IDF has launched an investigation into the disaster. We must learn the necessary lessons and do everything to preserve the lives of our warriors,” he continued. Later, in a joint video statement, that also included war cabinet minister Benny Gantz, the leaders pledged that the war will continue at full strength despite the loss of 24 soldiers Monday. “We bow our heads in memory of our fallen, and yet we do not for a moment stop striving for an irreplaceable goal – the achievement of complete victory,” said Netanyahu. “We continue at this time in the spirit of the fallen,” added Gallant. “We will do it together, we will do it in unity. I ask to strengthen the bereaved families, to know that we have to continue. I have no doubt that when they set out on their mission yesterday, they intended for us to continue, and that is what we will do,” Gantz said. Many family members of the 136 remaining hostages held by Hamas, organizing through the Hostage and Missing Families Forum, have grown increasingly vocal in their opposition to the government’s strategy, saying the continued fighting is putting their loved ones at risk. On Sunday evening, the families rallied outside Netanyahu’s home in Jerusalem to demand he reach a deal for the hostages’ release. On Monday, relatives of hostages crashed a session of the Knesset’s Finance Committee, bearing signs that read “You will not sit here while they die there.” Two hundred and fifty-three people, including children and the elderly, were abducted by Hamas on October 7. In late November, 105 hostages were released during a two-week “humanitarian ceasefire” mediated by the US and Qatar, and several were previously recovered in other circumstances, but talks of a further deal have languished since that ceasefire collapsed. International pressure has also mounted with much of Gaza’s population displaced and a rising death toll. On Monday it was reported that Israel has submitted a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that would see it agree to pause its military offensive against Hamas for as long as two months, in exchange for a phased release of the remaining hostages. The proposal does not heed the Hamas demand for Israel to end the war completely, but does appear to go further than previous Israeli offers, according to the Axios news site, which cited two Israeli officials. The offer was publicized as White House Middle East czar Brett McGurk was in the region for meetings with Egyptian and Qatari counterparts aimed at advancing a hostage deal, a US official told The Times of Israel. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By misplayedhand: [i]"Twenty-one Israeli soldiers were killed during fighting in southern Gaza on Monday, the military said, in the biggest single loss of life for Israeli troops inside the battered enclave since the war with Hamas began. CNN[/url] View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By michigan66: Yeah, one incident accounting for 10% of the total KIA in the ground phase of the war isn't good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By misplayedhand: [i]"Twenty-one Israeli soldiers were killed during fighting in southern Gaza on Monday, the military said, in the biggest single loss of life for Israeli troops inside the battered enclave since the war with Hamas began. CNN[/url] |
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There was another incident two weeks ago. Six engineers were killed and another 5 seriously injured when they were rigging a tunnel in central Gaza for demolition. In this case, they were all part of the IDF's dedicated anti-tunnel unit.
Times of Israel article. The Israel Defense Forces on [9 Jan 23] released details of its initial probe of a deadly blast in the central Gaza Strip a day prior, in which six combat engineers were killed and several others were wounded. The reservists were killed when explosives intended for demolishing a Hamas tunnel in Bureij detonated prematurely. Combat engineers had been preparing the tunnel for demolition, rigging the underground passages with explosives. Half an hour before the detonation was supposed to be carried out, a tank stationed near the detonating cord fired shells at a nearby building after identifying suspicious movement. [O]ne of the shells hit an electricity pole, and the blast..activated the detonating cord, leading to the premature massive explosion of the tunnel system while the combat engineers were still...[rigging] it for demolition. The six fatalities were named as Sgt. First Class (res.) Gavriel Bloom, 27, from Beit Shemesh; Master Sgt. (res.) Amit Moshe Shahar, 25, from Ramat Yohanan; Cpt. (res.) Denis Krokhmalov Veksler, 32, from Beersheba; Cpt. (res.) Ron Efrimi, 26, from Hod Hasharon; Master Sgt. (res.) Roi Avraham Maimon, 24, a paramedic from Afula; and Sgt. Maj. (res.) Akiva Yasinskiy, 35, from Ramat Gan. Cpt. (res.) Ron Efrimi, (right) an officer in the Combat Engineering Corps’ Yahalom unit, shortly before he was killed in a blast in central Gaza’s Bureij, January 8, 2024. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Haaretz: Hezbollah Hits IDF Airbase in Northern Israel for Second Time in Two Weeks
Rocket hitting a radar at the airbase in the first attack. The same base was attacked again today. Hezbollah said Tuesday that it had conducted the second missile attack in two weeks on an Israel Defense Forces airbase in northern Israel, after detecting a vulnerability in the facility. [I]nformation about the base is openly available online, and Hezbollah has hit the facility before – including at the start of the current Israeli military campaign in the north. Since then, the IDF has prepared for the possibility of further strikes on the facility. The organization said the attack was a response to the assassinations in Lebanon and Syria on Saturday that it attributed to Israel, as well as the IDF's continued attacks on Lebanese civilians. The IDF reported "slight damage to the air force base's infrastructure" and said there were no casualties. Full story in quote box: Hezbollah hits IDF airbase in northern Israel for second time in two weeks Hezbollah says it launched the missiles in response to Israeli assassinations of Hezbollah and Quds Force commanders and after detecting a 'vulnerability' at the Israeli airbase; IDF reports 'slight damage' Hezbollah said Tuesday that it had conducted the second missile attack in two weeks on an Israel Defense Forces airbase in northern Israel, after detecting a vulnerability in the facility. The organization said the attack was a response to the assassinations in Lebanon and Syria on Saturday that it attributed to Israel, as well as the IDF's continued attacks on Lebanese civilians. The IDF reported "slight damage to the air force base's infrastructure" and said there were no casualties. "No harm was inflicted on the air force's early-warning capabilities," it said, adding that the incident was under investigation. Hezbollah attacked the same base on January 7, and the IDF reported that the strike had caused damage. A video issued by the organization showed many missiles hitting the base. Hezbollah knows precisely what is located there, and the video describes in great detail the Meron base's role in the Israeli Air Force's northern operations. A lot of information about the base is openly available online, and Hezbollah has hit the facility before – including at the start of the current Israeli military campaign in the north. Since then, the IDF has prepared for the possibility of further strikes on the facility. The Hezbollah announcement said the attack was in response to two incidents it blamed on Israel. State media in Iran and Syria reported that an Israeli attack on Saturday on a building in Damascus had killed five members of the Iran's Revolutionary Guards. An Israeli source told The New York Times that the head of the Revolutionary Guards' elite Quds Force intelligence branch was killed in the attack. Nour News, a news outlet believed to be close to Iran's intelligence apparatus, reported that General Yousef Omidzadeh, identified as the deputy director of intelligence for the Quds Force in Syria, and his aide, Hojatollah Omidvar, were two of the five killed in the Saturday attack. Several Iranian news sources said that the general was indeed the chief of intelligence, while others said the death toll was 10 rather than five. In the second assassination incident, which occurred a few hours later on Saturday, an Israeli drone struck a vehicle near the southern port city of Tyre and killed two people, according to Lebanese reports. Initial reports said that the two were affiliated with Hamas, but Hezbollah later confirmed that they were its men. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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TOI and Reuters:Qatar receiving ‘constant stream of replies’ from Israel, Hamas on hostage exchange, cease fire talks
Hamas rejected an Israeli offer to pause fighting for two months and release Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian security prisoners in stages. Hamas leaders have also refused to leave Gaza and are demanding that Israel fully withdraw from the territory and allow Palestinians to return to their homes. Under Israel’s proposal, Yahya Sinwar and other top Hamas leaders in Gaza would be allowed to relocate to other countries. Israel...submitted a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that would see it agree to pause its military offensive in exchange for a phased release of the remaining 136 hostages in Gaza. The proposal does not heed Hamas’s demand for Israel to end the war completely, but does appear to go further than Israel has gone in previous offers, two Israeli officials were cited as saying. Full story in quote box: Qatar receiving ‘constant stream of replies’ from Israel, Hamas on deal talks, says spokesman By TOI STAFF and REUTERS Qatar says it is engaged in “serious discussions” on a potential pause in Gaza fighting and a deal to secure the release of the hostages. “We are engaged in serious discussions on both sides, we have presented ideas to both sides, we are getting a constant stream of replies from both sides, and that in its own right as a cause for optimism,” says Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesperson Majed Al-Ansari in a press conference “We need to focus on the mediation process itself,” he adds. The Associated Press reported earlier, citing an Egyptian official, that Hamas rejected an Israeli offer to pause fighting for two months and release Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian security prisoners in stages. The official said that Hamas leaders have also refused to leave Gaza and are demanding that Israel fully withdraw from the territory and allow Palestinians to return to their homes. Under Israel’s proposal, Yahya Sinwar and other top Hamas leaders in Gaza would be allowed to relocate to other countries. The Axios news site reported on Monday that Israel had submitted a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that would see it agree to pause its military offensive in exchange for a phased release of the remaining 136 hostages in Gaza. The proposal does not heed Hamas’s demand for Israel to end the war completely, but does appear to go further than Israel has gone in previous offers, two Israeli officials were cited as saying. Asked about media reports earlier today that a ceasefire deal was being discussed, Israeli government spokesperson Eylon Levy said the war’s goals were unchanged. “The destruction of Hamas’ governing and military capabilities in the Gaza Strip and the return of all the hostages,” he said. “There will be no ceasefire that leaves the hostages in Gaza and Hamas in power.” Levy declined to elaborate on efforts to free the hostages, who were taken to Gaza following the Oct. 7 rampage in which Hamas and other militants killed some 1,200 Israelis – the trigger for the war. Levy said lives were in the balance. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Video from Gaza of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad attack.
Looks like they managed to take something out this time. I initially thought this showed the incident where 21 IDF soldiers were killed, but title says it's from Jabalia in northern Gaza. Translation: Al-Quds Brigades show scenes of targeting a gathering of occupation soldiers and vehicles in Jabalia View Quote Failed To Load Title |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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IDF finished controlled demolition of buildings where 21 soldier were killed on Monday.
Translation of Twitter: A day after the disaster: the destruction of the compound where the 21 fighters fell was completed. View Quote
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By Kanati: Sounds like they were clearing it while the sappers loaded it up with demo and someone got a lucky shot off on a demo charge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kanati: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By misplayedhand: [i]"Twenty-one Israeli soldiers were killed during fighting in southern Gaza on Monday, the military said, in the biggest single loss of life for Israeli troops inside the battered enclave since the war with Hamas began. CNN[/url] That behavior will have them demo buildings with 2000 lb bombs from 10kft with no care of consequences instead of dropping target in it's own footprint with controlled demo to spare civilian casualties. This is what happens when somebody has their hands tied by PR fronting for liars to use their morals against them. Same story in every recent "police action" since Vietnam. |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By BM1455: LOL. Might be too broad but they way things are going... I would keep it to US & proxies vs. Iran a proxies. If China kicks off Taiwan and Russia invades Poland the WW-III thread will be great for all of about two days and we are all dead. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BM1455: Originally Posted By djohn: World War 3 subforum? LOL. Might be too broad but they way things are going... I would keep it to US & proxies vs. Iran a proxies. If China kicks off Taiwan and Russia invades Poland the WW-III thread will be great for all of about two days and we are all dead. I seriously doubt there would be a major nuclear exchange, especially so quickly. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By bigstick61: I seriously doubt there would be a major nuclear exchange, especially so quickly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By BM1455: Originally Posted By djohn: World War 3 subforum? LOL. Might be too broad but they way things are going... I would keep it to US & proxies vs. Iran a proxies. If China kicks off Taiwan and Russia invades Poland the WW-III thread will be great for all of about two days and we are all dead. I seriously doubt there would be a major nuclear exchange, especially so quickly. And of all the places Russia might invade, Poland is last on the list. Poland would curb stomp them and they know it. |
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416: People who think Iran / Russia and China aren't actually out to get us... Iran / Russia are seeking to deny us resources though military violence, controlling shipping lanes and controlling resources in places like Africa, with a long term goal of strangling us. China is pursuing a similar strategy except more based on diplomacy and economic influence than actual military intervention, so far... Both groups are actively using espionage to steal our technology (especially China) and disrupt our political and economic system (especially Russia). A lot of folks are complacent thinking whatever happens overseas will have no effect on them / how bad can it get. We have enjoyed a great standard of living for a long time, and there is no reason that shouldn't continue. But it's not guaranteed to continue. If we fail to protect our interests things like fuel shortages, sky high food prices, hunger, etc, can eventually happen to us. View Quote Pretty much this. Isolationism of the USA always leads to war, the draft and social upheaval. Think about that when you vote. But mom’s basement dwellers and GD millionaires follow the orange God. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: 21 being 10% of total KIA shows just how few KIA they have suffered. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By michigan66: Yeah, one incident accounting for 10% of the total KIA in the ground phase of the war isn't good. Exactly. |
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Originally Posted By WoodHeat: And of all the places Russia might invade, Poland is last on the list. Poland would curb stomp them and they know it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By BM1455: Originally Posted By djohn: World War 3 subforum? LOL. Might be too broad but they way things are going... I would keep it to US & proxies vs. Iran a proxies. If China kicks off Taiwan and Russia invades Poland the WW-III thread will be great for all of about two days and we are all dead. I seriously doubt there would be a major nuclear exchange, especially so quickly. And of all the places Russia might invade, Poland is last on the list. Poland would curb stomp them and they know it. Putin is like a little rooster who is scared to death. He is puffing up his feathers to scare away any aggressive neighbors. He is in deep shit and he KNOWS IT! |
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@sentdefender U.S. Central Command has announced that U.S. Aircraft tonight have carried out Airstrikes on several Facilities used for Command, Storage, and Training by the Iranian-Backed Militia, Kata'ib Hezbollah (KH) across Iraq; the Airstrikes are said to be in Response to the recent Ballistic Missile Attack on Al-Asad Air Base in Western Iraq which resulted in Injuries to at least 3 American Servicemembers. |
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Institute for Study of War backgrounder 23 Jan Key Takeaways: Northern Gaza Strip Palestinian militias claimed attacks in areas of the northern Gaza Strip where Israeli forces previously conducted clearing operations. The claimed attacks are consistent with CTP-ISW's assessment that Hamas and other Palestinian militias are likely in the early stages of reconstituting their governance and military capabilities in the northern Gaza Strip. Central Gaza Strip Hamas' military wing conducted a complex attack that killed 21 Israeli soldiers in the deadliest single attack since Israeli ground operations began. The IDF Chief of Staff said that the fallen soldiers were conducting a defensive activity that will allow Israeli residents to return to their homes surrounding the Gaza Strip. The IDF reported that Palestinian fighters fired rocket-propelled grenades (RPG) at Israeli forces near two buildings that the IDF had rigged to demolish and a nearby Israeli tank 600 meters west of Kissufim on January 22. The RPG detonated the IDF explosives on the two buildings, causing the buildings to collapse. The collapsing buildings and firefight killed 21 IDF soldiers. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. The group claimed that its fighters fired an "anti-personnel" rocket at Israeli engineers, causing a secondary detonation that collapsed the building. The fighters simultaneously fired an anti-tank RPG at an Israeli tank and detonated a mine field in the area. Israeli media and Hamas reported that the fighters responsible for the attack escaped. Southern Gaza Strip Israeli forces located a large underground weapons production facility in the southern Gaza Strip.The IDF said that this facility is the largest facility it has found to date. The IDF 7th Brigade (assigned to the 36th Division) searched the 1.5-kilometer-long tunnel network during clearing operations in Khan Younis. Palestinian fighters opened fire from tunnel entrances and detonated improvised explosive devices at tunnel entrances to prevent Israeli forces from entering the complex. Israeli forces captured the weapons production facility and a large lathe for producing rockets. Israeli forces destroyed the underground tunnel system as part of their effort to degrade Hamas' weapons and rocket production capabilities. Palestinian militias are continuing to execute a deliberate defense against Israeli operations in western Khan Younis. Political Negotiations Israel proposed a two-month pause in fighting in exchange for Hamas releasing over several phases the remaining hostages held in the Gaza Strip. An anonymous Egyptian official told the Associated Press that Hamas rejected the proposal. West Bank Israeli forces clashed with Palestinian fighters twice in the West Bank. The IDF detained eight wanted individuals and confiscated weapons. Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights Lebanese Hezbollah claimed three attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel. Israeli media reported that the IDF Air Force destroyed an unspecified military asset used by Hezbollah but operated by Iran. Iraq The Shia Coordination Framework a loose coalition of Iranian-backed Shia political factions discussed Iranian-backed militia efforts to "provoke" US self-defense strikes in a meeting. Syria Israel likely conducted two airstrikes targeting an IRGC weapons storage facility and an Iranian-backed militia truck transporting weapons around Albu Kamal, Syria. Yemen US and UK forces conducted combined strikes on eight Houthi military targets in Yemen. The Houthis are harassing UN operations and personnel in Yemen. Iran Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei criticized Islamic countries for not demanding a ceasefire for the Israel-Hamas war during a meeting with the Tehran branch of the Martyrs' Commemoration National Congress. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Haaretz | News Israel-Hamas War Day 110 | Israel Says Hostage Deal Far Off; Hamas Reports at Least 210 Killed in Gaza Strikes in Past Day Jan 24, 2024
Israeli sources say negotiations for a potential new hostage deal are far from agreements ■ Finance minister: 'We won't back a long pause of the war' ■ In Israel, Britain's Cameron expected to press Netanyahu on Gaza aid ■ U.S. military strikes two Houthi anti-ship missiles in Yemen ■ 21 soldiers killed in Gaza in deadliest incident since Oct. 7 ■ 'Women demand a deal now': Women's groups are protesting across Israel, calling for a new deal that would bring about the release of the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza. ■ Israeli sources involved in negotiations for a potential new hostage deal said that the parties are still far from agreeing on its terms and that the talks may take time. Hamas "absolutely" rejected an offer by Israel to end the war if the terror organization removes six senior leaders from the Gaza Strip, Reuters reported. ■ Far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich responded,"Stopping the war at such a sensitive stage, security-wise and politically, could endanger the whole system," adding that his party would not allow it. National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said on X that he is "in favor of returning the hostages, and against a bad deal." ■ Yemen's Houthis ordered U.S. and British staff of the UN to leave the country within a month. The U.K. maritime trade authority reported an explosion near a ship in the Red Sea in western Yemen; no crew members were reported injured and there was no damage. The U.S. military carried out two more strikes in Yemen early on Wednesday, destroying two Houthi anti-ship missiles that were aimed at the Red Sea and were preparing to launch, the U.S. military said in a statement. ■ British Foreign Minister David Cameron visited Israel on Wednesday, and will meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Israel Katz and Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer. Cameron is expected to pressure Israeli officials to increase humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, and to allow aid packages to go through the Ashdod port. ■ Israeli leaders spoke Wednesday afternoon at the Knesset in Jerusalem in a session commemorating the establishment of the Israeli parliament 75 years ago. Netanyahu said: "The war must end with the eradication of the new Nazis." Opposition Leader Yair Lapid called for a hostage release and slammed the government at the Knesset. "Victory is not just in killing Sinwar. Victory is in becoming better. Israeli President Isaac Herzog told MKs, "Even when arguing, be worthy." ■ Israeli soldiers killed dozens of terrorists in recent days and located a stockpile of weapons in Khan Yunis, according to a statement by the IDF, after the Israeli military finished encircling the city and pushed deeper into the city Monday. ■ Two anti-tank missiles were fired at northern Israel, according to the IDF spokesperson. No casualties were reported. 21 Israeli soldiers have been wounded in the last day, one of them seriously, according to IDF data. The Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry said on Wednesday that some 210 were killed and 386 were wounded in Gaza in the past 24 hours. ■ South Africa expects the UN's top court to rule this Friday on whether it will grant emergency measures to stop the war in Gaza, South African news website News24 reported on Wednesday, citing two sources close to the matter. ■ During a visit to the West Bank city of Hebron, Israel's Jerusalem Affairs and Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu restated his claim of dropping a nuclear weapon on the Gaza Strip. Thousands of participants are expected to gather on Sunday in Jerusalem for a "Conference for the Victory of Israel – Settlement Brings Security: Returning to the Gaza Strip and Northern Samaria." The event will reportedly be led by rabbis, settlement activists, Knesset members, ministers from the current coalition government, and others. ■ Israel refuses to provide information on the location and circumstances of the detention of dozens of Gazans imprisoned in Israel, according to the response of the attorney general's office to the petition submitted to the High Court by a Israel-based human rights organization on behalf of the families of the detainees. The Red Cross said that Israel is preventing the organization's representatives from visiting Palestinian security prisoners. ■ Israel's Mossad flatly denied on Wednesday a claim made by a Likud party MK, according to which a senior Mossad official met Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar days before the October 7 massacre."This is a recycled, untrue report," the Mossad said. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By PolarBear416: People who think Iran / Russia and China aren't actually out to get us... Iran / Russia are seeking to deny us resources though military violence, controlling shipping lanes and controlling resources in places like Africa, with a long term goal of strangling us. China is pursuing a similar strategy except more based on diplomacy and economic influence than actual military intervention, so far... Both groups are actively using espionage to steal our technology (especially China) and disrupt our political and economic system (especially Russia). A lot of folks are complacent thinking whatever happens overseas will have no effect on them / how bad can it get. We have enjoyed a great standard of living for a long time, and there is no reason that shouldn't continue. But it's not guaranteed to continue. If we fail to protect our interests things like fuel shortages, sky high food prices, hunger, etc, can eventually happen to us. View Quote Nu uh! I have been told that this is all democrat propaganda by Bidden! |
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NYT: How a Ragtag Militia in Yemen Became a Nimble U.S. Foe
Highpoints: The first barrage of American-led airstrikes.. hit nearly 30 locations in Yemen, destroying around 90 percent of the targets struck, Pentagon officials said. ..but the Houthis retained around 75 percent of their ability to fire missiles and drones at ships transiting the Red Sea.. Houthis have perfected the tactics of irregular warfare..the group does not have many big weapons depots for American fighter jets to bomb — they are constantly on the move with missiles they launch from pickup trucks on remote beaches before hustling away. “There is a level of sophistication here that you can’t ignore,” said Gen. Joseph L. Votel, who led the U.S. military’s Central Command from 2016 to 2019, as Saudi Arabia was trying to defeat the Houthis in Yemen. This middle ground reflects the administration’s attempt to chip away at the Houthis’ ability to menace merchant ships and military vessels but not hit so hard as to kill large numbers of Houthi fighters and commanders, potentially unleashing even more mayhem into the region. Weapons that are destroyed are soon replaced by Iran, as a never-ending stream of dhows ferry more weaponry into Yemen, U.S. officials say. The Houthis are believed to have had underground assembly and manufacturing sites even before the civil war began in Yemen in 2014. Since then, it has amassed a diverse and increasingly lethal arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles and one-way attack drones, most supplied by Iran Hezbollah “trained them to be able to adapt to the changes of the war in Yemen,” [a Yemeni official] said in an interview. “They did not train them on the specifics, but on how to be very dynamic.” That leaves the United States and its coalition partners with only three viable options, given the parameters of President Biden’s strategic aims. They could commandeer the weapons coming by sea from Iran; find the missiles, which requires extensive intelligence; or attack the launch sites. The third option is the hardest. Houthi militants are believed to hide mobile missile launchers in a range of locations, anywhere from inside culverts to beneath highway overpasses. They are easily moved for hasty launches. The Houthi mobile maneuvers worked so well against Saudi Arabia that the Marines began to copy them. They developed a mobile radar, essentially a Simrad Halo24 radar — you can get one for about $3,000 at Bass Pro Shops — that can be put on any fishing boat. It takes five minutes to set up. The Marines, like the Houthis, have been looking into how to use the radars to send data back on what’s going on at sea. View Quote Full article in spoiler: Click To View Spoiler How a Ragtag Militia in Yemen Became a Nimble U.S. Foe
The Iran-backed Houthis perfected the tactics of irregular warfare during years of conflict against a Saudi-led coalition, military officials say. Jan. 24, 2024 For years, the scrappy Iran-backed Yemeni rebels known as the Houthis did such a good job of bedeviling American partners in the Middle East that Pentagon war planners started copying some of their tactics. Noting that the Houthis had managed to weaponize commercial radar systems that are commonly available in boating stores and make them more portable, a senior U.S. commander challenged his Marines to figure out something similar. By September 2022, Marines in the Baltic Sea were adapting Houthi-inspired mobile radar systems. So senior Pentagon officials knew as soon as the Houthis started attacking ships in the Red Sea that they would be hard to tame. As the Biden administration approaches its third week of airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen, the Pentagon is trying to thread an impossibly tiny needle: making a dent in the Houthis’ ability to hit commercial and Navy vessels without dragging the United States into a prolonged war. It is a difficult task, made more so because the Houthis have perfected the tactics of irregular warfare, American military officials say. The group does not have many big weapons depots for American fighter jets to bomb — Houthi fighters are constantly on the move with missiles they launch from pickup trucks on remote beaches before hustling away. The first barrage of American-led airstrikes nearly two weeks ago hit nearly 30 locations in Yemen, destroying around 90 percent of the targets struck, Pentagon officials said. But even with that high success rate, the Houthis retained around 75 percent of their ability to fire missiles and drones at ships transiting the Red Sea, those officials acknowledged. Since then, the Pentagon has carried out several more rounds of strikes. And the Houthis have continued their attacks on ships transiting the Red Sea. “There is a level of sophistication here that you can’t ignore,” said Gen. Joseph L. Votel, who led the U.S. military’s Central Command from 2016 to 2019, as Saudi Arabia was trying to defeat the Houthis in Yemen. So far the Pentagon strategy has been to put armed Reaper drones and other surveillance platforms in the skies over Yemen, so that U.S. warplanes and ships can hit Houthi mobile targets as they pop up. On Monday night, the United States and Britain struck nine sites in Yemen, hitting multiple targets at each location. Unlike most of the previous strikes, which were more targets of opportunity, the nighttime strikes were planned. They hit radars as well as drone and missile sites and underground weapons storage bunkers. This middle ground reflects the administration’s attempt to chip away at the Houthis’ ability to menace merchant ships and military vessels but not hit so hard as to kill large numbers of Houthi fighters and commanders, potentially unleashing even more mayhem into the region. But officials say they will continue to try to hit mobile targets as analysts search for more fixed targets. After nearly a decade of Saudi airstrikes, the Houthis are skilled at concealing what they have, putting some of their launchers and weaponry in urban areas and shooting missiles from the backs of vehicles or tractors before scooting off. And the weapons that are destroyed are soon replaced by Iran, as a never-ending stream of dhows ferry more weaponry into Yemen, U.S. officials say. Even a seemingly successful American commando operation on Jan. 11 that seized a small boat carrying ballistic-missile and cruise-missile components to Yemen came at a cost: the Pentagon said on Sunday that the status of two Navy SEALs reported missing during the operation had been changed to dead after an “exhaustive” 10-day search. Navy commandos, backed by helicopters and drones hovering overhead, had boarded the small boat and seized propulsion and guidance systems, warheads and other items. The Houthis are believed to have had underground assembly and manufacturing sites even before the civil war began in Yemen in 2014. The militia seized the country’s army arsenal when it took over Sana, the capital, a decade ago. Since then, it has amassed a diverse and increasingly lethal arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles and one-way attack drones, most supplied by Iran, military analysts said. “It’s mind-blowing, the diversity of their arsenal,” said Fabian Hinz, an expert on missiles, drones and the Middle East at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Lebanese militia, has helped as well. Top Houthi commanders studied under Hezbollah trainers in Lebanon on, first and foremost, how to be adaptable, said Hisham Maqdashi, a defense adviser with the internationally recognized Yemeni government. Hezbollah “trained them to be able to adapt to the changes of the war in Yemen,” Mr. Maqdashi said in an interview. “They did not train them on the specifics, but on how to be very dynamic.” That leaves the United States and its coalition partners with only three viable options, given the parameters of President Biden’s strategic aims in Yemen, military analysts say. They could commandeer the weapons coming by sea from Iran; find the missiles, which requires extensive intelligence; or attack the launch sites. The third option is the hardest. Houthi militants are believed to hide mobile missile launchers in a range of locations, anywhere from inside culverts to beneath highway overpasses. They are easily moved for hasty launches. The Houthi mobile maneuvers worked so well against Saudi Arabia that the Marines began an experimental effort to copy them. They developed a mobile radar, essentially a Simrad Halo24 radar — you can get one for about $3,000 at Bass Pro Shops — that can be put on any fishing boat. It takes five minutes to set up. The Marines, like the Houthis, have been looking into how to use the radars to send data back on what’s going on at sea. Lt. Gen. Frank Donovan, now the vice commander of United States Special Operations Command, noticed what the Houthis were doing with the radar back when he was leading a Fifth Fleet amphibious task force operating in the southern Red Sea. Trying to figure out how the Houthis were targeting ships, General Donovan soon realized the Houthis were mounting off-the-shelf radars on vehicles on the shore and moving them around. He challenged his Second Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion to develop a similar system. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By michigan66: NYT: How a Ragtag Militia in Yemen Became a Nimble U.S. Foe Highpoints: Full article in spoiler: Click To View Spoiler How a Ragtag Militia in Yemen Became a Nimble U.S. Foe The Iran-backed Houthis perfected the tactics of irregular warfare during years of conflict against a Saudi-led coalition, military officials say. Jan. 24, 2024 For years, the scrappy Iran-backed Yemeni rebels known as the Houthis did such a good job of bedeviling American partners in the Middle East that Pentagon war planners started copying some of their tactics. Noting that the Houthis had managed to weaponize commercial radar systems that are commonly available in boating stores and make them more portable, a senior U.S. commander challenged his Marines to figure out something similar. By September 2022, Marines in the Baltic Sea were adapting Houthi-inspired mobile radar systems. So senior Pentagon officials knew as soon as the Houthis started attacking ships in the Red Sea that they would be hard to tame. As the Biden administration approaches its third week of airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen, the Pentagon is trying to thread an impossibly tiny needle: making a dent in the Houthis’ ability to hit commercial and Navy vessels without dragging the United States into a prolonged war. It is a difficult task, made more so because the Houthis have perfected the tactics of irregular warfare, American military officials say. The group does not have many big weapons depots for American fighter jets to bomb — Houthi fighters are constantly on the move with missiles they launch from pickup trucks on remote beaches before hustling away. The first barrage of American-led airstrikes nearly two weeks ago hit nearly 30 locations in Yemen, destroying around 90 percent of the targets struck, Pentagon officials said. But even with that high success rate, the Houthis retained around 75 percent of their ability to fire missiles and drones at ships transiting the Red Sea, those officials acknowledged. Since then, the Pentagon has carried out several more rounds of strikes. And the Houthis have continued their attacks on ships transiting the Red Sea. “There is a level of sophistication here that you can’t ignore,” said Gen. Joseph L. Votel, who led the U.S. military’s Central Command from 2016 to 2019, as Saudi Arabia was trying to defeat the Houthis in Yemen. So far the Pentagon strategy has been to put armed Reaper drones and other surveillance platforms in the skies over Yemen, so that U.S. warplanes and ships can hit Houthi mobile targets as they pop up. On Monday night, the United States and Britain struck nine sites in Yemen, hitting multiple targets at each location. Unlike most of the previous strikes, which were more targets of opportunity, the nighttime strikes were planned. They hit radars as well as drone and missile sites and underground weapons storage bunkers. This middle ground reflects the administration’s attempt to chip away at the Houthis’ ability to menace merchant ships and military vessels but not hit so hard as to kill large numbers of Houthi fighters and commanders, potentially unleashing even more mayhem into the region. But officials say they will continue to try to hit mobile targets as analysts search for more fixed targets. After nearly a decade of Saudi airstrikes, the Houthis are skilled at concealing what they have, putting some of their launchers and weaponry in urban areas and shooting missiles from the backs of vehicles or tractors before scooting off. And the weapons that are destroyed are soon replaced by Iran, as a never-ending stream of dhows ferry more weaponry into Yemen, U.S. officials say. Even a seemingly successful American commando operation on Jan. 11 that seized a small boat carrying ballistic-missile and cruise-missile components to Yemen came at a cost: the Pentagon said on Sunday that the status of two Navy SEALs reported missing during the operation had been changed to dead after an “exhaustive” 10-day search. Navy commandos, backed by helicopters and drones hovering overhead, had boarded the small boat and seized propulsion and guidance systems, warheads and other items. The Houthis are believed to have had underground assembly and manufacturing sites even before the civil war began in Yemen in 2014. The militia seized the country’s army arsenal when it took over Sana, the capital, a decade ago. Since then, it has amassed a diverse and increasingly lethal arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles and one-way attack drones, most supplied by Iran, military analysts said. “It’s mind-blowing, the diversity of their arsenal,” said Fabian Hinz, an expert on missiles, drones and the Middle East at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Lebanese militia, has helped as well. Top Houthi commanders studied under Hezbollah trainers in Lebanon on, first and foremost, how to be adaptable, said Hisham Maqdashi, a defense adviser with the internationally recognized Yemeni government. Hezbollah “trained them to be able to adapt to the changes of the war in Yemen,” Mr. Maqdashi said in an interview. “They did not train them on the specifics, but on how to be very dynamic.” That leaves the United States and its coalition partners with only three viable options, given the parameters of President Biden’s strategic aims in Yemen, military analysts say. They could commandeer the weapons coming by sea from Iran; find the missiles, which requires extensive intelligence; or attack the launch sites. The third option is the hardest. Houthi militants are believed to hide mobile missile launchers in a range of locations, anywhere from inside culverts to beneath highway overpasses. They are easily moved for hasty launches. The Houthi mobile maneuvers worked so well against Saudi Arabia that the Marines began an experimental effort to copy them. They developed a mobile radar, essentially a Simrad Halo24 radar — you can get one for about $3,000 at Bass Pro Shops — that can be put on any fishing boat. It takes five minutes to set up. The Marines, like the Houthis, have been looking into how to use the radars to send data back on what’s going on at sea. Lt. Gen. Frank Donovan, now the vice commander of United States Special Operations Command, noticed what the Houthis were doing with the radar back when he was leading a Fifth Fleet amphibious task force operating in the southern Red Sea. Trying to figure out how the Houthis were targeting ships, General Donovan soon realized the Houthis were mounting off-the-shelf radars on vehicles on the shore and moving them around. He challenged his Second Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion to develop a similar system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: NYT: How a Ragtag Militia in Yemen Became a Nimble U.S. Foe Highpoints: The first barrage of American-led airstrikes.. hit nearly 30 locations in Yemen, destroying around 90 percent of the targets struck, Pentagon officials said. ..but the Houthis retained around 75 percent of their ability to fire missiles and drones at ships transiting the Red Sea.. Houthis have perfected the tactics of irregular warfare..the group does not have many big weapons depots for American fighter jets to bomb — they are constantly on the move with missiles they launch from pickup trucks on remote beaches before hustling away. “There is a level of sophistication here that you can’t ignore,” said Gen. Joseph L. Votel, who led the U.S. military’s Central Command from 2016 to 2019, as Saudi Arabia was trying to defeat the Houthis in Yemen. This middle ground reflects the administration’s attempt to chip away at the Houthis’ ability to menace merchant ships and military vessels but not hit so hard as to kill large numbers of Houthi fighters and commanders, potentially unleashing even more mayhem into the region. Weapons that are destroyed are soon replaced by Iran, as a never-ending stream of dhows ferry more weaponry into Yemen, U.S. officials say. The Houthis are believed to have had underground assembly and manufacturing sites even before the civil war began in Yemen in 2014. Since then, it has amassed a diverse and increasingly lethal arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles and one-way attack drones, most supplied by Iran Hezbollah “trained them to be able to adapt to the changes of the war in Yemen,” [a Yemeni official] said in an interview. “They did not train them on the specifics, but on how to be very dynamic.” That leaves the United States and its coalition partners with only three viable options, given the parameters of President Biden’s strategic aims. They could commandeer the weapons coming by sea from Iran; find the missiles, which requires extensive intelligence; or attack the launch sites. The third option is the hardest. Houthi militants are believed to hide mobile missile launchers in a range of locations, anywhere from inside culverts to beneath highway overpasses. They are easily moved for hasty launches. The Houthi mobile maneuvers worked so well against Saudi Arabia that the Marines began to copy them. They developed a mobile radar, essentially a Simrad Halo24 radar — you can get one for about $3,000 at Bass Pro Shops — that can be put on any fishing boat. It takes five minutes to set up. The Marines, like the Houthis, have been looking into how to use the radars to send data back on what’s going on at sea. Full article in spoiler: Click To View Spoiler How a Ragtag Militia in Yemen Became a Nimble U.S. Foe The Iran-backed Houthis perfected the tactics of irregular warfare during years of conflict against a Saudi-led coalition, military officials say. Jan. 24, 2024 For years, the scrappy Iran-backed Yemeni rebels known as the Houthis did such a good job of bedeviling American partners in the Middle East that Pentagon war planners started copying some of their tactics. Noting that the Houthis had managed to weaponize commercial radar systems that are commonly available in boating stores and make them more portable, a senior U.S. commander challenged his Marines to figure out something similar. By September 2022, Marines in the Baltic Sea were adapting Houthi-inspired mobile radar systems. So senior Pentagon officials knew as soon as the Houthis started attacking ships in the Red Sea that they would be hard to tame. As the Biden administration approaches its third week of airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen, the Pentagon is trying to thread an impossibly tiny needle: making a dent in the Houthis’ ability to hit commercial and Navy vessels without dragging the United States into a prolonged war. It is a difficult task, made more so because the Houthis have perfected the tactics of irregular warfare, American military officials say. The group does not have many big weapons depots for American fighter jets to bomb — Houthi fighters are constantly on the move with missiles they launch from pickup trucks on remote beaches before hustling away. The first barrage of American-led airstrikes nearly two weeks ago hit nearly 30 locations in Yemen, destroying around 90 percent of the targets struck, Pentagon officials said. But even with that high success rate, the Houthis retained around 75 percent of their ability to fire missiles and drones at ships transiting the Red Sea, those officials acknowledged. Since then, the Pentagon has carried out several more rounds of strikes. And the Houthis have continued their attacks on ships transiting the Red Sea. “There is a level of sophistication here that you can’t ignore,” said Gen. Joseph L. Votel, who led the U.S. military’s Central Command from 2016 to 2019, as Saudi Arabia was trying to defeat the Houthis in Yemen. So far the Pentagon strategy has been to put armed Reaper drones and other surveillance platforms in the skies over Yemen, so that U.S. warplanes and ships can hit Houthi mobile targets as they pop up. On Monday night, the United States and Britain struck nine sites in Yemen, hitting multiple targets at each location. Unlike most of the previous strikes, which were more targets of opportunity, the nighttime strikes were planned. They hit radars as well as drone and missile sites and underground weapons storage bunkers. This middle ground reflects the administration’s attempt to chip away at the Houthis’ ability to menace merchant ships and military vessels but not hit so hard as to kill large numbers of Houthi fighters and commanders, potentially unleashing even more mayhem into the region. But officials say they will continue to try to hit mobile targets as analysts search for more fixed targets. After nearly a decade of Saudi airstrikes, the Houthis are skilled at concealing what they have, putting some of their launchers and weaponry in urban areas and shooting missiles from the backs of vehicles or tractors before scooting off. And the weapons that are destroyed are soon replaced by Iran, as a never-ending stream of dhows ferry more weaponry into Yemen, U.S. officials say. Even a seemingly successful American commando operation on Jan. 11 that seized a small boat carrying ballistic-missile and cruise-missile components to Yemen came at a cost: the Pentagon said on Sunday that the status of two Navy SEALs reported missing during the operation had been changed to dead after an “exhaustive” 10-day search. Navy commandos, backed by helicopters and drones hovering overhead, had boarded the small boat and seized propulsion and guidance systems, warheads and other items. The Houthis are believed to have had underground assembly and manufacturing sites even before the civil war began in Yemen in 2014. The militia seized the country’s army arsenal when it took over Sana, the capital, a decade ago. Since then, it has amassed a diverse and increasingly lethal arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles and one-way attack drones, most supplied by Iran, military analysts said. “It’s mind-blowing, the diversity of their arsenal,” said Fabian Hinz, an expert on missiles, drones and the Middle East at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Lebanese militia, has helped as well. Top Houthi commanders studied under Hezbollah trainers in Lebanon on, first and foremost, how to be adaptable, said Hisham Maqdashi, a defense adviser with the internationally recognized Yemeni government. Hezbollah “trained them to be able to adapt to the changes of the war in Yemen,” Mr. Maqdashi said in an interview. “They did not train them on the specifics, but on how to be very dynamic.” That leaves the United States and its coalition partners with only three viable options, given the parameters of President Biden’s strategic aims in Yemen, military analysts say. They could commandeer the weapons coming by sea from Iran; find the missiles, which requires extensive intelligence; or attack the launch sites. The third option is the hardest. Houthi militants are believed to hide mobile missile launchers in a range of locations, anywhere from inside culverts to beneath highway overpasses. They are easily moved for hasty launches. The Houthi mobile maneuvers worked so well against Saudi Arabia that the Marines began an experimental effort to copy them. They developed a mobile radar, essentially a Simrad Halo24 radar — you can get one for about $3,000 at Bass Pro Shops — that can be put on any fishing boat. It takes five minutes to set up. The Marines, like the Houthis, have been looking into how to use the radars to send data back on what’s going on at sea. Lt. Gen. Frank Donovan, now the vice commander of United States Special Operations Command, noticed what the Houthis were doing with the radar back when he was leading a Fifth Fleet amphibious task force operating in the southern Red Sea. Trying to figure out how the Houthis were targeting ships, General Donovan soon realized the Houthis were mounting off-the-shelf radars on vehicles on the shore and moving them around. He challenged his Second Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion to develop a similar system. NYT - Preparing the public for what the .gov has already decided. There will be a pointless limited war with Yemen/Middle East (possibly terrorists on US side) after the Gaza things dies down. Probably around election season. |
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Israeli Army Weighs Plan to Arm West Bank Settlements With Anti-tank Missiles. (Article might be behind paywall, entire article can be found in quote box below).
The Israeli military is exploring the option of arming civilian security squads in isolated West Bank settlements and others close to Palestinian villages with anti-tank missiles. The army so far has distributed a considerable amount of weapons and munitions to civilian security squads for reinforcement, including thousands of pistols, M-16 semiautomatic rifles and machine guns. IDF officials explained that the process is designed to boost the defense of the settlements so that their residents would be equipped to respond quickly in case of a mass invasion with vehicles, as transpired in the massacre of the Gaza Border Communities. Hamas terrorists invaded on cars and motorcycles during the massacre, and Israeli security forces as well as armed civilians struggled to target the vehicles while awaiting the arrival of the air force. Full article in quote box: Israeli army weighs plan to arm West Bank settlements with anti-tank missiles The Israeli military is exploring the option of arming civilian security squads in isolated West Bank settlements and others close to Palestinian villages with anti-tank missiles. The suggested action, which IDF officials confirmed is currently being considered, is intended to address a scenario in which terrorists raid West Bank settlements in cars, similar to what transpired during the October 7 massacres in Israeli communities along the border with Gaza. IDF commanders have not expressed opposition in meetings held so far, and the plan is now awaiting approval by senior security officials. Growing tensions in the West Bank and pressure from senior right-wing politicians and military security coordinators since the war broke out are the motives behind the plan. The army so far has distributed a considerable amount of weapons and munitions to civilian security squads for reinforcement, including thousands of pistols, M-16 semiautomatic rifles and machine guns. The plan calls for allocating the missiles to the commanders of the security squads, which they'd have to keep in a weapons storeroom or in another way, according to the army's demand. The commanders and the military security coordinators in the settlements would be responsible for the anti-tank missiles. Security squads consist of civilian members who assist with the defense of settlements in emergency situations. They operate under the IDF's Central Command. IDF officials explained that the process is designed to boost the defense of the settlements so that their residents would be equipped to respond quickly in case of a mass invasion with vehicles, as transpired in the massacre of the Gaza Border Communities. Hamas terrorists invaded on cars and motorcycles during the massacre, and Israeli security forces as well as self-defending individuals struggled to target the vehicles while awaiting the arrival of the air force. View Quote ETA--Full article inside spoiler was published in an Israeli paper in November. It describes arms that Israelis who live near borders currently have. Click To View Spoiler Source article link: Haaretz: Armed and Anxious, Residents Along Israel's Borders Are Bracing for the Worst Rafi Nagar from Kibbutz Ashdot Yaakov, near Lake Kinneret in northern Israel, cried out on Facebook. “Help!” he wrote in a recent post. “Thousands of Jordanian commandos can easily cross the border, massacre and slaughter people in our kibbutzim and moshavim.” Describing a sharp rise in the frequency of training exercises by the Jordanian Legion, Nagar expressed concern that under the guise of the exercises, an attack from the other side of the border was being organized. “Sometimes I’m afraid to look out the window, in case I suddenly see armed Jordanian soldiers attacking us from the fields. It’s an insane classic case of crying ‘wolf,’ when at the moment of truth they’ll catch us unprepared, with our pants down,” he warned, and called on the prime minister, the defense minister and the Israel Defense Forces ‘to stop the next ‘itbah al yahud’” – slaughter (of) the Jews. Nagar’s post resonated strongly among residents of the Jordan Valley when it was published two weeks ago. But there were also reactions that arrived from completely different directions, both literally and metaphorically. “A day or two after I published the post, I started to get threats from Yemen,” Nagar tells Haaretz. “They sent me a few hundred messages until I blocked them.” The screenshot he shows is full of frightening WhatsApp messages from a phone number in Yemen. “Hello, how are you,” one Houthi writer addresses him politely, in Hebrew. “I am happy to inform you that your house has become a target for us, the Yemeni Houthis, and we will target you with drones and winged missiles, Jewish man. There’s no need to fear the Jordanian army… I recommend that you leave your house before we send you to hell.” The WhatsApp thread went on and on, and included a few unanswered calls, grinning or tearful emojis and images of Palestinian flags. The hostilities that erupted on October 7 have severely shaken Israelis’ feeling of security along borders that until recently were considered to be quiet – those with Syria, Jordan and Egypt, as well as the Green Line. Fears of still-unlikely developments, such as an invasion by thousands of Jordanian troops, or a Houthi targeted assassination because of a Facebook post, are mingled with apprehension that has a more solid basis. People who until not long ago looked east or west and saw the pastoral landscape of a neighboring country, are now focusing on the border fence, wondering how long it would take for someone to cut it with a cordless circular saw, or what sort of tractor can knock it down with one blow. Even in tranquil, laid-back communities, residents are trying to use connections to obtain night-vision equipment or crates of ammunition from the army for their security teams. Many security arrangements that once gave people a feeling of calm are now unsettling. Eitan Ronen, from Kadesh Barnea, near the Egyptian border, glances apprehensively at the tank deployed on the ridge nearby to protect him and his neighbors. An Israeli tank used to be considered a big deal. Now, after it turns out that a motorized hang glider can easily fly over it, things look different. “A tank can be disabled, too,” Ronen says. “We’ve lost our faith in the army.” A range of scenarios troubles him: a terrorist cell in Sinai that decides to attack, Egyptian police who suddenly run amok, Hamas terrorists who cross into Egypt from Gaza and hope to infiltrate into Israel from there. Like many others in the frontier communities, Ronen was recruited to serve in the local defensive squad under an emergency order, and he’s on guard duty 24/7. “At age 40, I was exempted from reserve duty,” he says. “When they told me, ‘Come and volunteer,’ I told them I was done with weapons, it’s not my scene, I never liked it. Today I understand that it’s not a question of liking or not liking.” Now the person who makes a living growing tomatoes, strawberries and pineapples has submitted a request for a rifle permit. “In Tel Aviv I’d prefer a pistol,” he explains, “but here there are large expanses of land; it’s better to have a weapon with a barrel, with range. So you don’t need to have someone get all the way to you in order to stop them.” He and his buddies on the squad “want to upgrade it,” he says – to be better trained and be issued arms that will enable them to cope with more than light weapons. Against armored vehicles, for example. Do you mean that you want RPGs? “I don’t know what’s involved. We’ll let the IDF decide. But as an emergency community squad we need to be trained in using the right equipment. There won’t be time to weigh a response. We won’t have the privilege of waiting for someone to arrive and help us. We will have to defend ourselves, we have to be able to help ourselves. “This is a season when there is a lot of fog, a transitional time in terms of the weather,” he adds. “We get ourselves organized at dawn, we look out, everyone with their weapon cocked, waiting to see who will come at us from out of the fog.” Geological advantage Merom Golan, 900 meters above sea level, 2.5 kilometers from the border with Syria, last Sunday. A hard rain is falling on the kibbutz, but in the Kosovski Mizrahi home it’s warm and pleasant – they’ve lit the wood-burning stove for the first time this season. The mother, Galit, shows us the safe room, where she and her three children have been sleeping since the war started. Oded, the father, sleeps in a different room because he gets up early for guard duty, as part of the kibbutz security detail. There’s no shooting into the northern Golan Heights these days, but a Syrian militia fired a rocket at the southern Golan earlier in the war, and the family isn’t taking chances. “Supposedly, you live here with the feeling that everything is green, beautiful, pleasant and calm,” Galit says. “The children wander around the kibbutz freely. But you’re not calm at all. My husband, who’s not a hysterical type, moved our two cars from the private parking space to the public area, so it would look like there’s no one at home. You hear the kids – who are 11, 12 and 15 – talking among themselves about where they’ll hide, all kinds of tricks they’ll use if something happens, like people used there [in the communities near Gaza, on October 7].” The safe room of course now has the requisite wooden plank with the hole that’s intended to prevent anyone from breaking in through the door. Still, Galit’s plan is that if they come under missile or drone attack, not to use the plank, because “if part of the house should collapse and we are wounded in the safe room, it will make rescuing us difficult.” Merom Golan borders on a small demilitarized zone that is guarded by the United Nations, an area that’s a buffer between Israel and Syria. But Galit thinks that the UN will not necessarily intervene if its personnel see terrorists making their way into Israel. “And then, what will stop them? The fence? You know, not long ago there was an Israeli woman who simply walked into Syria.” On the other hand, Galit takes comfort in the geological advantage she has over her neighbors in the Upper Galilee. “Here at least the ground is basalt,” she notes. “It’s impossible to dig into it easily, like with limestone. No tunnel will suddenly appear here in the middle of the kibbutz without us hearing something.” Oded, an engineer who was in the midst of a work meeting via Zoom, while still in his guard uniform, remarked, “There’s quiet here, but no tranquility. You don’t know how fragile the border is.” There have been precious few shooting accidents along the border with Syria in the past, but the hostilities in Gaza have caused some residents and academics to look at the area in a different light. “Syria is a wide-open expanse for all kinds of terrorist organizations that might be of concern to Israel, and it’s unlikely that the Syrian army has any interest in stopping them,” says Yehuda Blanga, an expert on Syria in the Department of Middle Eastern Studies at Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan. “Could a squad like that cut the fence tomorrow? I don’t think so. Along this border, there is a presence of ground forces. In Gaza we relied too much on technological means. When you lose a presence on the ground, you lose eyes and contact.” In Dr. Blanga’s view, Syria does not pose any particular danger at the moment. On the other hand, he’s aware of the diminished value of so-called security assessments these days. “Anything is possible,” he concludes. Blanga ranks Egypt a bit higher on the scale of danger. Just last June, he recalls, an Egyptian police officer crossed the border in the Mount Harif area through a gate that was shut with only plastic handcuffs. He killed Staff Sgt. Ori Yitzhak Illouz and Sgt. Lia Ben Nun, and afterward Staff Sgt. Ohad Dahan also fell in the exchange of fire with the intruder. In addition to the danger posed by the Egyptian security forces, Blanga notes that several terrorist organizations are operating in the Sinai Peninsula. Terrorism in Sinai has abated over the past decade in the wake of an uncompromising struggle waged by Egyptian President al-Sissi. But even so, there are all manner of worrisome elements there, among them organizations that smuggled in to Gaza vast quantity of arms for the Hamas terrorists. “I happen to be the regional paramedic,” says Sharon from Moshav Be’er Milka (who preferred not to give his last name), about one kilometer from the Egyptian border. “Based on the amount of Valium I have dispensed in the past month, I can tell you exactly what the level of tension is in each community. It’s no simple thing, especially in Kadesh Barnea, which is right smack on the border. You jump over the fence and in a minute you reach the houses. One person there was sitting in his living room when a stray bullet passed half a meter over his head and lodged in the wall.” The tight cluster of communities belonging to what is called the Nitzana Salient – Kadesh Barnea, Be’er Milka, Kmehin, Ezuz and Nitzana – lie close to the border, about halfway along an imaginary line drawn from Kibbutz Sde Boker to El Arish in Egypt. These locales are still grappling with the loss of two of their fighters, members of a local antiterrorist reserve force that rushed to assist besieged residents living near Gaza on October 7 and were killed: Capt. (res.) Iftach Gorny, of Be’er Milka, and Master Sgt. (res.) Liran Almosnino, from Kmehin. “There’s a bad feeling around here,” Sharon asserts. “There’s no sense of security, there are no fences that can deter incursions in these communities – there’s nothing. The army is lulling us; they say we’re not at risk. No one has said, ‘Let’s look at the area, we’ll examine the threats and deal with them.’ It’s all Band-Aids. On the Egyptian side we see more and more settlement. Buildings. Solar panels. Look at the satellite image on Google. What’s happening there security-wise? Are terrorist cells being established there? We don’t know. Even on our side there are cannabis farms, there are arms caches in the desert. It’s Colombia here. For the right price, anything can happen here. To take over our community you don’t need 50 terrorists – five will do.” ‘A cardboard settlement’ “A window of opportunity has been opened here for the peoples of the region, who have had their fill of seeing the war crimes of ‘Israel,’ which have been ongoing for 75 years… ‘Israel’ is not fate, it’s a cardboard settlement… The victory of the Palestinian resistance in Gaza necessarily talks about the collapse of the Zionist project and of American influence.” That quote comes from a story published by the Jordanian newspaper Al Ghad last week, which, unusually, was translated into Hebrew and appeared on the front page, among other articles in Arabic. The headline: “What’s after Israel.” The article is rife with hatred of Israel and expresses the hope that with one little nudge, it will collapse. Those aren’t unusual sentiments in Jordan, especially these days, and Israelis who see that country from the windows of their home are aware of this. Experts on the Hashemite kingdom explain that even if the accepted estimate is that “80 percent of Jordan’s population is Palestinian” is exaggerated, it is still more than 50 percent, and the rest don’t exactly sing the Israeli national anthem in their sleep, either. The scenario in which a Hamas-like incursion takes place on the Jordanian border became very real, at least momentarily, for Hadas Sarig Rapaport, who lives with her husband and their four children on Tzofar, a moshav in the Arava desert south of the Dead Sea. “On October 7, I received a message on Telegram [from the kibbutz security team] saying that terrorists had infiltrated Tzofar. I took kitchen knives, wrapped them in a towel and went with the children into a room whose door you can kick open; we don’t even have a safe room. It wasn’t until a few minutes later that it turned out there had been a spelling mistake of one letter: The warning was real, but it was for Tzohar, which is near the Gaza Strip. A mistake of one letter.” Rapaport got another false alarm from the security squad, most likely as a result of some sort of error by the army, while she was in Greece, where the family had fled, in the meantime. They returned only two weeks later. Residents of the eastern part of the Arava know that there are no fences, or virtually none, demarcating the border in their vicinity, a realization that doesn’t exactly help people stay calm these days. “We want to advance the idea of building a serious physical barrier along the border with Jordan,” says Uri Lev, the security officer of the regional council. “There have been a lot of incidents here involving arms and drug smuggling. Those smuggling routes can be used by terrorists, too.” Experts on Jordan note that very close security coordination still exists between the IDF and the Jordanian Legion. Amman has a vested interest in nipping in the bud any sign of terrorism in the kingdom, and to date seems to be doing that successfully. One reason is the government’s desire to prevent instability that could put their own country at risk. Still, a scenario in which a soldier runs amok or where, despite everything, a terrorist squad infiltrates from the east, is not completely ruled out. It’s known, for example, that Islamist terror groups are trying to gain a foothold in Ma’an, a small city located some 55 kilometers across from the middle section of the Arava. “It is a very poor city,” says Prof. (emeritus) Asher Susser, from the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies at Tel Aviv University, an authority on Jordan. “Armed Islamist groups operated there, and there were periods there of sympathy for Islamic State. But the government for the most part has the upper hand in dealing with these groups.” Meanwhile, about 200 kilometers north of the Arava, residents of the Jordan Valley are grappling not only with pervasive anxiety about a possible infiltration, but also with actual incursions (albeit by migrant workers), in the wake of which they have had to hide in their homes. The reason is visible from a small observation point, about half a kilometer from the fence surrounding Kibbutz Ashdot Yaakov. Through a carob tree, on which a proudly weaned toddler has hung a pacifier, looms the security fence. Beyond it is the Yarmuk River, which once may once have been an obstacle, but which is barely trickling now because its waters are trapped upstream. “Even a cat could cross the Yarmuk,” Eli Arazi, a veteran kibbutz member, guffaws. Everyone, smugglers included, knows that this is an easy place to cross over into Israel. Just last Tuesday six migrant laborers from the Far East crossed there. “They were caught here,” Arazi says, pointing at a water reservoir on which a solar field has been placed. “It’s not far at all from the houses.” The infiltration of workers, weapons and drugs is not new along this stretch of the border. What has changed is that the army is far more alert now, with the result that practically every bird that lands on the fence sets off a “Turkish horseman” alarm – code for the entry of some unidentified object into Israel. Two or three times a week, residents in the area take shelter in their homes because of an infiltration warning. In addition there are incessant sounds of Jordanian soldiers firing shots in the distance, which may not have increased but are more worrying now. “There is terrible panic here,” Arazi says. “It’s nerve-wracking.” As is the case in other frontier areas today, here too the level of stress is directly affected not only by the objective security situation, but also by history and people’s psychological state. “I personally am less worried,” Arazi explains. “In the War of Attrition [1967-1970], terrorists used to come here, shoot at us and plant land mines in the fields. In the morning we would go with prodders to look for the mines – people were killed.” What’s happening now seems less destabilizing, he adds, but he can’t argue with young kibbutz members, parents of young children, who are getting sick of the present state of attrition. “They tell you, ‘Do you remember the murder of the seven girls at Naharayim [by a Jordanian soldier in 1997]? That could happen again.’ To that I have no answer.” Only 460 bullets There is no need to dredge up memories from the 1990s or use much imagination when considering the plight of communities along the seam line that borders the West Bank, with its separation barrier. Just last February the state comptroller warned that even though more than 8 billion shekels had been invested over the years in building the barrier, and hundreds of millions allocated to its maintenance, as of 2021 half of it (!) was deemed to be in substandard condition. According to the comptroller, this failing was explained to the security cabinet and to Prime Minister Netanyahu “from 2017 onward,” but nothing was done to address it until 11 people were murdered during the course of attacks perpetrated in 2022 by terrorists who entered through breaches in the fence. Subsequently the level of security was tightened and repairs were made, but thousands of Palestinians have still managed to enter Israel every day for years, without a proper work permit, by foot and by car. Last week a vehicle carrying three terrorists armed with rifles, ammunition and axes reached at the “tunnel road” checkpoint south of Jerusalem, apparently on the way to carry out a massacre in Israel. They killed Cpl. Avraham Fetena of the Border Police and wounded five other members of the security forces, before being shot to death. Yad Hana is situated close to the separation barrier in Hefer Valley, in central Israel. Nevertheless, the head of the community’s council, Maya Yaron, reports that only now, in the wake of the war in Gaza, is part of the part of the barrier, made of metal, being replaced with a concrete wall. “But the wall doesn’t prevent people from crossing over, either,” she points out. “You can climb over it.” Yaron mentions incessant shooting from the direction of the West Bank city of Tul Karm, because of which Yad Hana residents have recently been forbidden to walk along their community’s perimeter fence. “Every hour or two we have light-arms fire aimed at us and at the soldiers who guard us,” she says. “We shoot back at them.” Benny Chifrut, security chief of the neighboring community of Bat Hefer, also talks about shooting – we too heard gunfire and explosions during our visit – from the direction of the West Bank village of Shweika. There are only about 80 meters between the first houses of Bat Hefer and the security barrier. “People simply go outside and shoot at us,” Chifrut says. “The latest TikTok star can be seen stepping onto a bale of hay, firing a round and running off. It’s not precision shooting, so it’s not very dangerous. But it’s still dangerous all the same.” When Daniel, the Haaretz photographer, wanted to climb up to the roof of one of the buildings in Bat Hefer to get a better vantage point, he was immediately told to drop the idea, because he would be an easy target. For its part, the IDF doesn’t dismiss the idea that there are weapons in the Palestinian villages abutting the barrier or shots being fired, sometimes at soldiers, but it claims that they don’t endanger the residents. “So far there hasn’t been precise gunfire aimed at Bat Hefer and Yad Hana,” says a senior officer who knows the area, adding that he knows of no prohibition on taking a walk along the fence or going up to one’s roof, and that every report of a suspicious incident is carefully looked into. Based on interviews in many of the communities we visited for this article, it seems that residents fearful of the security situation cannot manage without putting their hands deep in their pockets or obtaining donations. People living along borders and the security barrier are not waiting for the state to act, but have bought whatever they could lay their hands on, from flashlights and ceramic vests to M-16 rifles and drones. When the war broke out residents of Bat Hefer, for example, lost no time finding money to underwrite the installation of surveillance cameras on the separation fence itself; they also set up a command center with volunteer spotters. "We realized that the army hadn’t recovered” from the shock of October 7, relates Reuven Bracha, the head of the community’s emergency security team. “We started to get organized on our own and succeeded in stabilizing a basic line of defense for ourselves. That was a very intense week.” But people who have not been able to obtain the necessary equipment or simply cannot afford it, are stuck. “I’m still lacking three protective vests,” says one local security chief (whose name we won’t mention so as not to reveal the location of his community). “If there is some sort of incident, the members of the security squads will have to grab magazines with their hands and run.” We repeatedly heard complaints about an acute shortage of ammunition, but on the other hand, in some cases far more sophisticated, heavier weapons were supplied than might have been expected. Some communities have received MAG machine guns, among them even pastoral Kochav Yair. “They gave us a MAG but only 460 rounds,” says a member of a security squad from another border community. “That’s a joke – a MAG fires 600 to 1,200 rounds a minute. What are going to do with 460 bullets?” Kobi Avraham, the commander of the security squad of Kibbutz Kfar Ruppin – spitting distance from the Jordanian border – takes a different view. He’s not upset at having to scrounge around for ammunition and equipment (“It’s a form of Israeli moonlighting”), he’s not particularly worried about the condition of the border fence (“There are spotters, too”) and he thinks that, despite the fact that there is room for improvement, the security situation in his sector has actually been enhanced since the war broke out. A former bodyguard with a lot of experience in the security realm, Avraham is more concerned about the excessive arming of the Israeli public at large and the troubles that could cause. For one, Dekel Yosef, head of security on Moshav Yardena, which also abuts the Jordanian border, is far less sanguine. “If I were a terrorist, I would enter this place,” he says simply. In other communities around here people say you’re lucky, because the Jordan River is an obstacle that protects you. “Forget it. The water comes up to your hips. Come over here, we can shake the fence, wait a bit, make some coffee, have a barbecue, and the army won’t arrive. It’s a matter of time before a terrorist squad will infiltrate the moshav. In my opinion, it will happen on my watch. Any squad that enters won’t even need to organize a charge – within a minute and a half they’re at the houses.” In the meantime, the generally heightened level of anxiety is beginning to spill over into the rest of the country. Even on Moshav Gimzo, which is not really a frontier community, and is a lot farther from the Green Line than Modi’in or Kfar Sava, a major furor erupted when an estimated 10 to 15 all-terrain vehicles arrived on a Friday afternoon earlier this month, made a ruckus and played loud songs in Arabic in the moshav’s fields. Someone also claimed to having seen a Palestinian flag waving in the breeze. A local resident named Dvir Spiegel, a musician, related that this was enough for him and his two children, aged 13 and 11, to go outside with knives, “ready to do battle,” in his words. “We alerted the security squad,” he said later, in a radio interview. “We felt like it was Kfar Azza 2. That we were being raided.” Avraham from Kfar Ruppin relates that he received a surprising phone call relating to security issues – from someone in Metropolitan Tel Aviv. “Someone asked if they could consult with me about a security squad they were setting up,” he says. “He told me he lives in Ganei Tikva, near Tel Aviv, in a complex of five buildings with a park in the middle. I gave him all the advice I had; I explained what to do. But at the end of the conversation I said, ‘Can I tell you something personal? You’re off the wall, ‘bro.’” It’s impossible to say now whether Israel’s relatively quiet borders will remain that way until the war ends. But what is certain is that the people who live in those areas will be in a totally different place by then. “We will all need therapy at the end of this period,” says Eitan Ronen, from Kadesh Barnea on the Egyptian border. “Even when we end our guard shift, it’s not like we fall into a nice sound sleep. Some people simply go back to their positions. Do you get it? We’re in a type of trauma.” In Hefer Valley there is concern about what will happen after the war ends. Yad Hana’s security “is based on volunteers,” Maya Yaron says. “Most of them didn’t get an emergency call-up order. I have a front gate, a back one, a command center. People will soon run out of steam and go back to their old routines. I don’t know who will guard us or how we’ll be guarded.” Bracha, the neighbor from Bat Hefer, left his private business – he sells dental equipment – and is volunteering full-time to defend his community. He’s not even been formally mobilized. “We understood that if we don’t safeguard ourselves, no one will,” he says. “At the moment, the army is here, we’re here, all’s well. But what will happen on the day after? That’s our greatest fear.” Asked about the security squads’ shortage of ammunition and weapons, tensions along the Jordan border and the deep concerns of residents near the Egypt border, among other issues – the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit offered this response: “IDF forces are active and will continue to act day and night to defend Israel’s borders in general, and the Jordan and Egypt borders in particular, against a variety of scenarios, among them scenarios of terrorist infiltration. Since the beginning of the war, all fronts have been reinforced with combatants and combat equipment. Combat equipment is provided based on the operational needs of the security squads. Any report regarding a shortage of equipment is carefully investigated and taken care of accordingly. The bolstering of forces after the war [along the borders] will be considered in accordance with the situation assessment at that time.” |
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