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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:08:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:21:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
Off to Indy. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:27:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonamiCode: YNWA https://i2-prod.liverpool.com/incoming/article29242014.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_MaxVerstappenVirgilvanDijk.jpg Big Virg. TAA was there too |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Is that Virgil Van Dijk ? Yep. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/rebecca-donaldson03.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By NoStockBikes: Originally Posted By Caboose314: I think Leclerc won that competition as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/187062/win_png-3224376.JPG No, Carlos wins that race. https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/rebecca-donaldson03.jpg Yeah, no. Charles' girl is a natural beauty. That chick has a square jaw and fake looking lips, just nowhere near as striking. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:42:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
Good Riddance, that POS never belonged on the grid. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:43:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
I’d be pretty surprised if they actually did that. Granted, Famin was pretty pissed, but still. Can their reserve driver do better in the race than Ocon could? Any points can only help. Although with the 5 place grid penalty, points may not be likely anyway. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:49:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: I disagree with 87% of what Shung says. But I would not muzzle him. I do not want this thread to become an Echo chamber. You do have a tough job. keeping this thread under control. Thanks for your post. I’m fine with you disagreeing with me a lot. I can be wrong like everyone else. Yet I always try to put arguments to my opinions. That being said: Someone recently accused me that ‘these days most of my posts are ‘trolling’ and then complaining about getting insulted’ Check the last posts from me this whole week and the last 7-8 pages, and please see how that is true, or false. While you are at it, count the number of times people directly referred to me with disparaging comments, and see how many times I said anything to them about it at all. Anyway. I like reading from everyone here. No matter what |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:50:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: I’d be pretty surprised if they actually did that. Granted, Famin was pretty pissed, but still. Can their reserve driver do better in the race than Ocon could? Any points can only help. Although with the 5 place grid penalty, points may not be likely anyway. I don’t think it will happen. Won’t fly with the French audience. Alpine and Renault main market |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:53:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: I disagree with 87% of what Shung says. But I would not muzzle him. I do not want this thread to become an Echo chamber. You do have a tough job. keeping this thread under control. It's already an Eco Chamber. "Max Max Max!!!" "Lewis is a gay homo woke lesbian fag who can't drive." "Max didn't win - F1 is boring!" 2016 - 2021: "ugh, those fags at Mercedes keep winning. Change the rules (again and again) because F1 is boring as fuck!" 2022 - May 22, 2024: "F1 is so exciting - I can't wait for this race weekend to see how far ahead Max is from the rest of the field!" And of course the pile on of anyone who disagrees. 
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:56:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223:  It's already an Eco Chamber. "Max Max Max!!!" "Lewis is a gay homo woke lesbian fag who can't drive." "Max didn't win - F1 is boring!" 2016 - 2021: "ugh, those fags at Mercedes keep winning. Change the rules (again and again) because F1 is boring as fuck!" 2022 - May 22, 2024: "F1 is so exciting - I can't wait for this race weekend to see how far ahead Max is from the rest of the field!" And of course the pile on of anyone who disagrees. Damn ! Where is your newsletter so I can subscribe ? ;) |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:26:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Esterhase]
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Periods of dominance are only boring if you don't support the driver or team. All that is left is the discipline of the true enthusiast, the person that watches anyway.
The truth is, watch for long enough and you realize nothing lasts forever, and that even in the most dull season, there is something interesting. You may have to look for it, but it is there. I start reading the technical forums a lot when I get bored; it keeps things interesting. For example, Max said something very revealing this weekend. It is not that the RBR car is bad at Monaco, it is simply that everyone else has caught up to where it is good. They do not have that edge anymore. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:26:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: I’d be pretty surprised if they actually did that. Granted, Famin was pretty pissed, but still. Can their reserve driver do better in the race than Ocon could? Any points can only help. Although with the 5 place grid penalty, points may not be likely anyway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By fike:
I’d be pretty surprised if they actually did that. Granted, Famin was pretty pissed, but still. Can their reserve driver do better in the race than Ocon could? Any points can only help. Although with the 5 place grid penalty, points may not be likely anyway. It could be as simple as a good excuse to “test” Doohan over a race weekend. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Good Riddance, that POS never belonged on the grid. Why do you say that? He's Alpine's only winner to date. I think he certainly has enough talent. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:46:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Periods of dominance are only boring if you don't support the driver or team. All that is left is the discipline of the true enthusiast, the person that watches anyway. The truth is, watch for long enough and you realize nothing lasts forever, and that even in the most dull season, there is something interesting. You may have to look for it, but it is there. I start reading the technical forums a lot when I get bored; it keeps things interesting. For example, Max said something very revealing this weekend. It is not that the RBR car is bad at Monaco, it is simply that everyone else has caught up to where it is good. They do not have that edge anymore. Is Schumacher the exception? He caught shit for "wrecking" during Quali at Monaco that one year, where the car took no damage but blocked the track and effectively clinched his pole position start. Aside from that, didn't most people generally love the Dynasty? |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:56:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Is Schumacher the exception? He caught shit for "wrecking" during Quali at Monaco that one year, where the car took no damage but blocked the track and effectively clinched his pole position start. Aside from that, didn't most people generally love the Dynasty? wait, he did a checo and was sent to the back of the grid for that ? (I remember it too well ;) )
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Why do you say that? He's Alpine's only winner to date. I think he certainly has enough talent. Because he has a history of not being able to work with Team mates and causing crashes at this point. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Is Schumacher the exception? He caught shit for "wrecking" during Quali at Monaco that one year, where the car took no damage but blocked the track and effectively clinched his pole position start. Aside from that, didn't most people generally love the Dynasty? 2000-2004? It was fucking miserable, imho. 2003 was the worst because of the tyre politics, which in turn led to Michelin's terrible revenge in 2005, ruining the US GP that year. There were high points, but you knew the odds were a Ferrari was going to win, and it would Schumacher unless the title was already a foregone conclusion. 2006 was an awesome fight. I would not have resented Schumacher taking that, at all. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:06:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Because he has a history of not being able to work with Team mates and causing crashes at this point. Remember what he did in Brazil as well. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Remember what he did in Brazil as well. This kind of low-percentage driving is applauded when certain drivers do it. I am not saying it is right, but it is very subject to perception and bias. Take Ferruci in Indycar as an example. He drives like a complete tool, and commentary applaud his robust racing style in the manner of SuperTex. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Because he has a history of not being able to work with Team mates and causing crashes at this point. That is my biggest problem with Okon - he seems to be thoughtlessly agressive and especially so with his own teammates. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:31:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: That is my biggest problem with Okon - he seems to be thoughtlessly agressive and especially so with his own teammates. What he did in Monaco made zero sense at all. Alpine needs to make the decision with a lot of good drivers out there, that just because he's "French" doesn't mean shit to a team that is sucking part in because the team mates can't work togeter. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
Esteban OUTcon |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: What he did in Monaco made zero sense at all. Alpine needs to make the decision with a lot of good drivers out there, that just because he's "French" doesn't mean shit to a team that is sucking part in because the team mates can't work togeter. The French thing means a hell of a lot, for better or worse. A lot of history behind it. Ligier were the last example of a team that really took it to extremes. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:54:09 PM EDT
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Alpine giving Ocon that three year contract in 2021 was insane. It all but directly lead to Alonso leaving and Piastri never suiting up for them. Ocon is the first driver I would give the boot to if I was made King of F1. I’ve never liked him.
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Posted: 5/27/2024 3:09:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Esterhase]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Alpine giving Ocon that three year contract in 2021 was insane. It all but directly lead to Alonso leaving and Piastri never suiting up for them. Ocon is the first driver I would give the boot to if I was made King of F1. I’ve never liked him. I don't think that's how it went down. Alpine's legal completely dropped the ball, failing to act inside of Piastri's management's formally agreed deadline for a contract (thus releasing him by default), and I think this happened with Fernando too - by the time Alpine got a contract on the table he had all but decided to jump to Aston Martin. Fernando cited Alpine's lack of competence as one of his reasons for leaving. He had a poor relationship with Ocon, but I don't recall him being mentioned at all in the negotiation reports. Alonso could certainly handle Esteban's petulance. He pretty much wrote the book on that. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 3:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: I don't think that's how it went down. Alpine's legal completely dropped the ball, failing to act inside of Piastri's management's formally agreed deadline for a contract (thus releasing him by default), and I think this happened with Fernando too - by the time Alpine got a contract on the table he had all but decided to jump to Aston Martin. Fernando cited Alpine's lack of competence as one of his reasons for leaving. He had a poor relationship with Ocon, but I don't recall him being mentioned at all in the negotiation reports. Alonso could certainly handle Esteban's petulance. He pretty much wrote the book on that. Like I said, all but. Signing him to a three year deal shows a lack of competence. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 4:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
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Posted: 5/27/2024 4:51:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2024 5:58:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOmRWECXoAYQm9F?format=jpg&name=small by some debris or something.  Charles Leclerc: MONACO'S F1 hero! |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 6:48:13 PM EDT
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Either LeClerc is diving in or Vasseur's back is bent the wrong way.
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Posted: 5/27/2024 8:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthatred: As boring as Monaco was/is/willbe, its still better than watching those fat assed Indy cars drive on an oval for 500 miles. I no longer consider Indy cars open wheel single seaters. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 9:51:17 PM EDT
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Didn’t see this mentioned here but I saw Helmut saying Perez’s car has between 2 and 3 million in damage. That has to sting.
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: It's already an Eco Chamber. "Max Max Max!!!" "Lewis is a gay homo woke lesbian fag who can't drive." "Max didn't win - F1 is boring!" 2016 - 2021: "ugh, those fags at Mercedes keep winning. Change the rules (again and again) because F1 is boring as fuck!" 2022 - May 22, 2024: "F1 is so exciting - I can't wait for this race weekend to see how far ahead Max is from the rest of the field!" And of course the pile on of anyone who disagrees. I just showed up in the thread for the Shung meltdowns about Ferrari sucking once again. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 11:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Is Schumacher the exception? He caught shit for "wrecking" during Quali at Monaco that one year, where the car took no damage but blocked the track and effectively clinched his pole position start. Aside from that, didn't most people generally love the Dynasty? |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 7:31:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stampkolektor]
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I thought when the Marshalls were picking up the pieces of the cars, it would suck to be the Peon for Haas and RB to pick through which part is theirs. Im sure there are proprietary parts in those that each team wants to protect.
I didnt watch it live, but saw it yesterday. All in all a good race, glad for Leclerc to win in Monaco. Piastri and Norris are a strong strong future for Mclaren. edit: We were one loose Stroll Tire away from making it very interesting in the end. and wth Kmag the Destroyer. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: The Tifosi loved it, the rest of us not too much. There were only a couple of years in there though where Ferrari was truly dominant, and I honestly believe that if McLaren actually was able to build a reliable car in the early 2000's, Kimi would have had seven titles, not Schumacher. Mika had no problem stamping paid on him, and Kimi is a better drive than Mika ever was. 2002 & 2004 were the worst years; Ferrari had such a dominant car, but they did not always have it their own way. I rewatched a lot of 2004 races recently (missed most of 2nd half due to dealing with family stuff) and there's a lot going on away from the front. McLaren's reliability as you say was amazingly bad, and that car was said to be the 2003 challenger that never raced (because they worried it was unreliable...) I don't miss the grooved tyres so much, but I like the fact they were balls out all the way through the GP. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:41:02 AM EDT
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The first lap was interesting.
The rest was boring. But we all knew Monaco is won on the qualifying day. Unless a car breaks of course or you get in a major wreck. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:43:44 AM EDT
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The wagons are now circled.
Well done, Andretti. Well done… 
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Posted: 5/28/2024 10:05:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: The wagons are now circled. Well done, Andretti. Well done…
I don't know what to think anymore. I say if they have the budget, let them in. They'll stand or fall on their own. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:20:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: I don't know what to think anymore. I say if they have the budget, let them in. They'll stand or fall on their own. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Originally Posted By fike: The wagons are now circled. Well done, Andretti. Well done…
I don't know what to think anymore. I say if they have the budget, let them in. They'll stand or fall on their own. If I had to guess, F1/FIA are working with other new potential teams who they believe will be stronger contenders. Or, they're waiting for the new Concorde agreement to jack up the price of admission from $200 million to $1 billion, and then they will allow 2 new teams. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:25:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: The wagons are now circled. Well done, Andretti. Well done…
I wonder what changed his perspective? I figured getting Symonds on their side would have bolstered how serious they were and help their chances. Doesn't seem to be the case |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:31:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: The wagons are now circled. Well done, Andretti. Well done
Haas seems like a good choice. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: The first lap was interesting. The rest was boring. But we all knew Monaco is won on the qualifying day. Unless a car breaks of course or you get in a major wreck. I think its worse than boring etc. Everybody was evidently 4 seconds off Pace.....on purpose. Monaco after that either needs to disappear, or be revised with additional mandatory pit stops. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:19:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racerpk11: I wonder what changed his perspective? I figured getting Symonds on their side would have bolstered how serious they were and help their chances. Doesn't seem to be the case Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racerpk11: Originally Posted By fike: The wagons are now circled. Well done, Andretti. Well done…
I wonder what changed his perspective? I figured getting Symonds on their side would have bolstered how serious they were and help their chances. Doesn't seem to be the case It aligns the position of FOM and FIA in response the congressional nonsense. He was quoted as saying: “I still believe we should have more teams but not any teams - the right teams. It’s not about the number, it’s about the quality.” |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: I think its worse than boring etc. Everybody was evidently 4 seconds off Pace.....on purpose. Monaco after that either needs to disappear, or be revised with additional mandatory pit stops. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: The first lap was interesting. The rest was boring. But we all knew Monaco is won on the qualifying day. Unless a car breaks of course or you get in a major wreck. I think its worse than boring etc. Everybody was evidently 4 seconds off Pace.....on purpose. Monaco after that either needs to disappear, or be revised with additional mandatory pit stops. I forget which F1 tv commentator made the comment but he said it was a race to see who could go the slowest. I assume he was alluding to teams trying to create enough of a gap to get a pit stop in for a team mate and try something with tires. I’m no expert on what needs to be done to make Monaco more competitive but something should be done or skip it entirely. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:29:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Esterhase]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: I forget which F1 tv commentator made the comment but he said it was a race to see who could go the slowest. I assume he was alluding to teams trying to create enough of a gap to get a pit stop in for a team mate and try something with tires. I’m no expert on what needs to be done to make Monaco more competitive but something should be done or skip it entirely. This happens literally every year. The first year of the new Pirelli regs - 2012 - it was noted that the cars were lapping at GP2 pace, for exactly the same reason they did last Sunday. Monaco is like the Oscars or the Met Gala. It's bling, speed (some) and money. It isn't going anywhere. It's like saying Ferrari shouldn't compete. It has tremendous prestige. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:40:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: I forget which F1 tv commentator made the comment but he said it was a race to see who could go the slowest. I assume he was alluding to teams trying to create enough of a gap to get a pit stop in for a team mate and try something with tires. I’m no expert on what needs to be done to make Monaco more competitive but something should be done or skip it entirely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Originally Posted By poison123: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: The first lap was interesting. The rest was boring. But we all knew Monaco is won on the qualifying day. Unless a car breaks of course or you get in a major wreck. I think its worse than boring etc. Everybody was evidently 4 seconds off Pace.....on purpose. Monaco after that either needs to disappear, or be revised with additional mandatory pit stops. I forget which F1 tv commentator made the comment but he said it was a race to see who could go the slowest. I assume he was alluding to teams trying to create enough of a gap to get a pit stop in for a team mate and try something with tires. I’m no expert on what needs to be done to make Monaco more competitive but something should be done or skip it entirely. I’m in favor of just allowing C5’s for the whole weekend. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 1:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: I forget which F1 tv commentator made the comment but he said it was a race to see who could go the slowest. I assume he was alluding to teams trying to create enough of a gap to get a pit stop in for a team mate and try something with tires. I’m no expert on what needs to be done to make Monaco more competitive but something should be done or skip it entirely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Originally Posted By poison123: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: The first lap was interesting. The rest was boring. But we all knew Monaco is won on the qualifying day. Unless a car breaks of course or you get in a major wreck. I think its worse than boring etc. Everybody was evidently 4 seconds off Pace.....on purpose. Monaco after that either needs to disappear, or be revised with additional mandatory pit stops. I forget which F1 tv commentator made the comment but he said it was a race to see who could go the slowest. I assume he was alluding to teams trying to create enough of a gap to get a pit stop in for a team mate and try something with tires. I’m no expert on what needs to be done to make Monaco more competitive but something should be done or skip it entirely. Add a mandatory joker lap or two, or smaller Monaco spec cars. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 1:21:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: The wagons are now circled. Well done, Andretti. Well done…
??? I thought them buying an existing team was always an option. This doesn’t seem anything new. |
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