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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:21:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Message sent Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Okay, this guy is definitely a member here. Pretty sure I've seen some questionable stuff from some WY tagged account, but the name is escaping me. Message sent But i have been told no 'true conservative' can be so broken as to support Russia, it's just a verry sudden and intense concern with a small part of the federal budget. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: ... I cannot think of too many nations that were squeaky clean in WWII and to pick one country to condemn while others were doing the same or worse is dishonest. agreed its called 'context'. aka telling the 'whole truth' not just a convenient snippet. but sadly we have become a world where 'the truth' can be condensed to a 300 word tweet-storm with questionable details yet we persevere  |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:24:37 AM EDT
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ISW assessment for September 26th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-26-2023 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:25:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DonKey153]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:  There is also a pike that jumped out of the water and chomped down a Russian fisherman’s privates. 😂 Add SNEK to the Flork club! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3970-2967795.jpg
Also request snek flork if someone is bored and has time. ETA NM found it  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:27:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Since the topic of the SS Galicia is in the news, I wanted to post some info since much of the conservative media is yet again posting a Kremlin narrative unfortunately. Many are very ignorant about what the Galicia SS was. It was NOT a typical German SS unit, it was a military unit ONLY used only for front line combat. Ukrainians that joined pledged: - ONLY to fight Russian communists since Russia just a few years earlier deported 300,000 Ukrainians to die in Siberia AND Stalin murdersd between 7 - 12 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor in 1931, the largest genocide by famine in order to wipe out Ukrainian history, ethnicity, culture, and language (something that was going on for hundreds of years between Muscovites/Russians and Kyivan-Rus people/Ukrainians). - Ukrainians stated that they are NEVER to be positioned to fight ANY Allied force (and in the rare instance where they wound up faced off with one like France, they surrendered), and they never fought the Allies - The SS Galicia funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army which was fighting and killing the Russians AND the Germans - At one point, SS Galicia Units joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in mass - The Ukrainian SS Galicia were NOT political Nazis nor did they consider themselves Nazis (Nazis killed over 2 million Ukrainians in WW2, my family wound up in a German camp and their home, business, and farm were taken) - the Russians HATED Ukrainians and their partisan groups so as they say, the victors write the history and they did- filled with lies about Ukrainians I won't list a bunch of books about this because ARFCOM is book/reading phobic, but here is one interview which may be of interest:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQHS0EPDc0Even then war crimes could have been committed. However guilt in western societies does not contaminate everyone in a group as large as a division. Recent history would be US personnel brought up in war crime charges. The individual responsible faced the music for their actions or inactions not their fire team, squad, platoon company etc. By all means investigate him and charge him if he did it maybe didn’t do anything, like stop his small unit from war crimes. It’s really spooky how things like due process and other basic principles of our society are getting pushed aside and forgotten in recent history. IMO That’s a harbinger of ill things to come. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: On the surface I agree. Problem both Russia Ukraine and the west face is many countries depend on exports from Ukraine and Russia. If any party blocks that it strongly incentivizes those nations and their allies to react. It might be better for Ukraine to let the Russian experts flow but at capped rates. This keeps places like China India and Africa from working to help force a peace deal on Ukraine before Ukraine can liberate its lands. These nations might for example start sending Russia ammo and weapons in retaliation against Ukraine and the west. It’s part of the reason why I don’t think the Russians are going to really go after Ukraine’s grain shipments once they are on board an international ship. It’s one thing to blow up a Ukrainian storage warehouse, but a firing vessel is going to have a flagged nation and the receiving national upset. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By RockNwood: He makes a good point. Sanctions should be used as a deterrent to prevent war. Once war starts it should be full on trade embargo. On the surface I agree. Problem both Russia Ukraine and the west face is many countries depend on exports from Ukraine and Russia. If any party blocks that it strongly incentivizes those nations and their allies to react. It might be better for Ukraine to let the Russian experts flow but at capped rates. This keeps places like China India and Africa from working to help force a peace deal on Ukraine before Ukraine can liberate its lands. These nations might for example start sending Russia ammo and weapons in retaliation against Ukraine and the west. It’s part of the reason why I don’t think the Russians are going to really go after Ukraine’s grain shipments once they are on board an international ship. It’s one thing to blow up a Ukrainian storage warehouse, but a firing vessel is going to have a flagged nation and the receiving national upset. The Russians targeted civilian ships at the beginning of the festivities in February 2022. I think they lack the ability, not the desire at this point. They've already said they will target ships heading to Ukraine under the premise that they could be carrying weapons. Having the ships transit thru the territorial waters of friendly nations seems the best move to protect them. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:35:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Convenient. Stalin formed a pack with Hitler, Hitler betrayed them. No nation suffered more than Russia in WW2, IMO they deserved to suffer. If any Ukrainian branch displays a Swatika, I consider it an effu to Russian sensibilities. It is counterproductive, and raises your opponents ire and cements their opposition. It's like everyone on your team giving the finger to the opposing team before the game starts. It may feel good, but you just guaranteed their best possible effort in the coming competition. Yes. Lets not forget that the swastika and other nazi symbols have a different meaning to US and Ukrainians. We see it as purely antisemitic but in the killing orgy of E. Europe in WWII, it was mostly an anti-Soviet symbol. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:37:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: “History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.” What rhymes with “big fucking collapse of an empire?”
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: “History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.” What rhymes with “big fucking collapse of an empire?”
According to Bloomberg, the Russian government plans to allocate 10.8 trillion rubles ($112,216.536) for its national defense in the coming year. It is 70% more than in the current year (6.8 trillion rubles ($70,654,856,000.00), 2.3 times more than in 2022, and three times higher than the figures for the pre-war year 2021. As a result, for the first time, the military and the defense industry will consume nearly every third ruble from the state treasury (29.5%). For comparison, the budget for the current year originally allocated only 19% of expenditures for defense, while in the first year of the war with Ukraine, this share was 17%. By the third year of the invasion, the bill for the war will double in the budget and exceed $200 billion. This amount is comparable to the GDP of countries like Greece or Hungary. "Such military expenditures have never been seen in all of modern Russian history," notes Alexandra Prokopenko, an invited research fellow at the Carnegie Moscow Center for the Study of Russia and Eurasia. The Soviet Union also allocated a third of its budget to defense in its final years. For example, in the 1990 budget, 71 billion rubles ($737,719,820.00) were allocated for "military purposes" out of 241.3 billion ($2,507,208,346.00), or 29.4% (data published in the archive of former Russian Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar). If we take into account the total expenditures on law enforcement agencies, including the police, the National Guard, and the Federal Penitentiary Service, Russia has already surpassed the records of the late Soviet period. In total, spending almost 40% of the budget on "national defense" and "national security" account, compared to 33% in 1990. Reagan's plan was to outspend the Soviets because he knew it would bankrupt them. We were doing things to make them have to defend their massive southern border from strategic weapons as well as N, E and W. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Better red than a Ukranian eh Greene |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:38:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Better red than a Ukranian eh Greene So is the aid going or not? I would love to see the full amount last year sent again this year. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:40:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Okay, this guy is definitely a member here. Pretty sure I've seen some questionable stuff from some WY tagged account, but the name is escaping me. Probably loitering in the AK forum posting about his sub-MOA groups using Tula X39... |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:42:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Hunting for big SAM units with interference patterns on satellite images.
After extensive comparisons these emissions are highly likely to be SATCOM (satellite communications) emissions vs radar emissions. We have noted these from three sites. Mayak, near Luhansk and Moscow over the last 6 months. They all appear to be associated with air defense units.    
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:43:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: I don't think I've seen this one posted. Even walruses hate russians!
X Twitter Link Welcome to the Flork army Mr Walrus. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F68B8QmXMAAlrQg?format=jpg&name=large  |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:43:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Here's a better version. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F68M_SdW0AAkvGw?format=jpg&name=medium |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:43:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: The Russians targeted civilian ships at the beginning of the festivities in February 2022. I think they lack the ability, not the desire at this point. They've already said they will target ships heading to Ukraine under the premise that they could be carrying weapons. Having the ships transit thru the territorial waters of friendly nations seems the best move to protect them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By RockNwood: He makes a good point. Sanctions should be used as a deterrent to prevent war. Once war starts it should be full on trade embargo. On the surface I agree. Problem both Russia Ukraine and the west face is many countries depend on exports from Ukraine and Russia. If any party blocks that it strongly incentivizes those nations and their allies to react. It might be better for Ukraine to let the Russian experts flow but at capped rates. This keeps places like China India and Africa from working to help force a peace deal on Ukraine before Ukraine can liberate its lands. These nations might for example start sending Russia ammo and weapons in retaliation against Ukraine and the west. It’s part of the reason why I don’t think the Russians are going to really go after Ukraine’s grain shipments once they are on board an international ship. It’s one thing to blow up a Ukrainian storage warehouse, but a firing vessel is going to have a flagged nation and the receiving national upset. The Russians targeted civilian ships at the beginning of the festivities in February 2022. I think they lack the ability, not the desire at this point. They've already said they will target ships heading to Ukraine under the premise that they could be carrying weapons. Having the ships transit thru the territorial waters of friendly nations seems the best move to protect them. Yes during the initial five day war the global community was expecting. It’s different now. Now they are talking about protracted disruption to all sorts of countries relying on the food exports. That’s going to piss those people off. Russia can ill afford to be seen as starving African nations out displeasing India or China if their gain is delayed. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:45:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Probably loitering in the AK forum posting about his sub-MOA groups using Tula X39... 
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F68KAncXUAAP3Vv?format=png&name=large
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Skipping ahead to some samples... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F68QGshXkAAI0JY?format=jpg&name=360x360
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Wonder what Kristopher’s Arfcom username is? I’m serious. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:50:57 AM EDT
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🇱🇹🤝🇺🇦 Lithuania handed over sea surveillance radar stations to Ukraine
💬 "This support will strengthen Ukraine's maritime surveillance capabilities and help better understand the situation at sea. For Ukraine, which has been devastated by the Russian war, these radar devices will be important both for the protection of its territorial waters and for ensuring the safety of citizens," the Minister of National Affairs said Defense of Lithuania Arvydas Anusauskas. https://t.me/uniannet/112645 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:54:01 AM EDT
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End of an era, the retirement of the E-8C JSTARS aircraft.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/e-8-jstars-has-flown-its-last-operational-mission |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:55:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: I'm not saying that they are related, but damn! https://i.postimg.cc/Y9bQVwXZ/IMG-9929.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7hR0HnrN/IMG-9930.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Originally Posted By Zhukov: MTG is one of the most idiotic politicians I have ever seen and is a total asset to the Democratic party. Her lunacy severely discredits conservative causes.  I'm not saying that they are related, but damn! https://i.postimg.cc/Y9bQVwXZ/IMG-9929.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7hR0HnrN/IMG-9930.jpg Not so much with her Ukraine policy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:57:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
OK but I dont think Hungary annexed any Ukrainian territory in WWII... The ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine are not migrants. Their towns were annexed by the Soviets after WWII and they stayed there, either voluntarily or because they were forced to stay. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:03:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Since the topic of the SS Galicia is in the news, I wanted to post some info since much of the conservative media is yet again posting a Kremlin narrative unfortunately. Many are very ignorant about what the Galicia SS was. It was NOT a typical German SS unit, it was a military unit ONLY used only for front line combat. Ukrainians that joined pledged: - ONLY to fight Russian communists since Russia just a few years earlier deported 300,000 Ukrainians to die in Siberia AND Stalin murdersd between 7 - 12 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor in 1931, the largest genocide by famine in order to wipe out Ukrainian history, ethnicity, culture, and language (something that was going on for hundreds of years between Muscovites/Russians and Kyivan-Rus people/Ukrainians). - Ukrainians stated that they are NEVER to be positioned to fight ANY Allied force (and in the rare instance where they wound up faced off with one like France, they surrendered), and they never fought the Allies - The SS Galicia funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army which was fighting and killing the Russians AND the Germans - At one point, SS Galicia Units joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in mass - The Ukrainian SS Galicia were NOT political Nazis nor did they consider themselves Nazis (Nazis killed over 2 million Ukrainians in WW2, my family wound up in a German camp and their home, business, and farm were taken) - the Russians HATED Ukrainians and their partisan groups so as they say, the victors write the history and they did- filled with lies about Ukrainians I won't list a bunch of books about this because ARFCOM is book/reading phobic, but here is one interview which may be of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQHS0EPDc0"The first mistake that society makes is that it evaluates historical events from the point of view of present circumstances. The second mistake is that the absolute majority of society lives with stereotypes and has no strength in itself to break those stereotypes. The third mistake is not reading materials of diverse perspectives but scooping up information from a single source. Together all these 3 views give us a false assesment of those historical events." That part right there should be repeated frequently. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:11:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:13:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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 Same picture as the below TG post, but Russified. Very same playbook. 🇦🇿 Azerbaijan detained the head of the so-called Karabakh authorities Ruben Vardanyan A photo of the arrest was published by the country's state border service. The detainee’s wife reports that he was detained while trying to leave the territory of Karabakh for Armenia. The former so-called head of Karabakh is a major Russian businessman, founder of the famous investment company Troika Dialogue. https://t.me/uniannet/112656 Video https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1706990589256802547 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Can somebody tell me why a tiny little thermoberic explosive would be useful compared to something of the same size that sprays shrapnel? |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: OK but I dont think Hungary annexed any Ukrainian territory in WWII... The ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine are not migrants. Their towns were annexed by the Soviets after WWII and they stayed there, either voluntarily or because they were forced to stay. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
OK but I dont think Hungary annexed any Ukrainian territory in WWII... The ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine are not migrants. Their towns were annexed by the Soviets after WWII and they stayed there, either voluntarily or because they were forced to stay. There are zero Ukrainian schools because the ethnic makeup of Hungary is a net zero Ukrainians in Hungary. The Beregszászi area and Karpathia itself has been Hungarian inhabited since the founding of Hungary in 1000AD. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:26:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:36:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Can somebody tell me why a tiny little thermoberic explosive would be useful compared to something of the same size that sprays shrapnel? |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:38:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: There are zero Ukrainian schools because the ethnic makeup of Hungary is a net zero Ukrainians in Hungary. The Beregszászi area and Karpathia itself has been Hungarian inhabited since the founding of Hungary in 1000AD. In contrast, I went to a German kindergarten and a Hungarian grade school (1st grade) in Romania. So Ukraine may be a little unreasonable in contrast to other countries that have ethnic Hungarians. *although I have heard of instances of Hungarians being attacked for speaking Hungarian in public in Romania, probably areas with small or no Hungarians. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:12:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: “History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.” What rhymes with “big fucking collapse of an empire?”
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: “History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.” What rhymes with “big fucking collapse of an empire?”
According to Bloomberg, the Russian government plans to allocate 10.8 trillion rubles ($112,216.536) for its national defense in the coming year. It is 70% more than in the current year (6.8 trillion rubles ($70,654,856,000.00), 2.3 times more than in 2022, and three times higher than the figures for the pre-war year 2021. As a result, for the first time, the military and the defense industry will consume nearly every third ruble from the state treasury (29.5%). For comparison, the budget for the current year originally allocated only 19% of expenditures for defense, while in the first year of the war with Ukraine, this share was 17%. By the third year of the invasion, the bill for the war will double in the budget and exceed $200 billion. This amount is comparable to the GDP of countries like Greece or Hungary. "Such military expenditures have never been seen in all of modern Russian history," notes Alexandra Prokopenko, an invited research fellow at the Carnegie Moscow Center for the Study of Russia and Eurasia. The Soviet Union also allocated a third of its budget to defense in its final years. For example, in the 1990 budget, 71 billion rubles ($737,719,820.00) were allocated for "military purposes" out of 241.3 billion ($2,507,208,346.00), or 29.4% (data published in the archive of former Russian Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar). If we take into account the total expenditures on law enforcement agencies, including the police, the National Guard, and the Federal Penitentiary Service, Russia has already surpassed the records of the late Soviet period. In total, spending almost 40% of the budget on "national defense" and "national security" account, compared to 33% in 1990. ... It would be a good time to cue that "balkanization of Russia" map that got posted here a while back.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:46:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:47:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: I like MTG on for many political reasons. Not so much with her Ukraine policy. I consider her to be the biggest moron in congress. Believed "Jewish space lasers" were starting forest fires in California. Said Bidens "Gezpacho police" were targeting Republicans. Objects to aid to Ukraine because Ukraine is harvesting organs from children. If you dress her in animal skins and gave her a club, she would look just like a Neanderthal from thousands of years ago (and no more smarter). |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: I consider her to be the biggest moron in congress. Believed "Jewish space lasers" were starting forest fires in California. Said Bidens "Gezpacho police" were targeting Republicans. Objects to aid to Ukraine because Ukraine is harvesting organs from children. If you dress her in animal skins and gave her a club, she would look just like a Neanderthal from thousands of years ago (and no more smarter). Truth. She is the rights AOC. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:09:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: I consider her to be the biggest moron in congress. Believed "Jewish space lasers" were starting forest fires in California. Said Bidens "Gezpacho police" were targeting Republicans. Objects to aid to Ukraine because Ukraine is harvesting organs from children. If you dress her in animal skins and gave her a club, she would look just like a Neanderthal from thousands of years ago (and no more smarter). She is an embarrassment to the GOP, Hell, the current GOP is an embarrassment to Ronald Reagan’s GOP. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:13:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: She is an embarrassment to the GOP, Hell, the current GOP is an embarrassment to Ronald Reagan's GOP. not exactly conservative |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:21:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Yeah, but they did massacre Polish peasants, under German order but consistent with the desires of their own leaders. And they happily killed Jews just like everyone else in the neighborhood. These things that happened must be admitted and examined. It's complicated. People must undertand that, at least. People will then either inspect it and think about, come to accept there's a lot of nuisance and and context, or say fuck it and walk away. Either way if they understand it they won"t be these witless dipshits hooting at Azov flags with wolfhooks. So you didn't watch the video, thanks. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: In contrast, I went to a German kindergarten and a Hungarian grade school (1st grade) in Romania. So Ukraine may be a little unreasonable in contrast to other countries that have ethnic Hungarians. *although I have heard of instances of Hungarians being attacked for speaking Hungarian in public in Romania, probably areas with small or no Hungarians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Jozsi: There are zero Ukrainian schools because the ethnic makeup of Hungary is a net zero Ukrainians in Hungary. The Beregszászi area and Karpathia itself has been Hungarian inhabited since the founding of Hungary in 1000AD. In contrast, I went to a German kindergarten and a Hungarian grade school (1st grade) in Romania. So Ukraine may be a little unreasonable in contrast to other countries that have ethnic Hungarians. *although I have heard of instances of Hungarians being attacked for speaking Hungarian in public in Romania, probably areas with small or no Hungarians. If you spoke Hungarian in Kolozsvar, you will be fine. Nearly everyone I saw in Kolozsvar spoke Hungarian. Same for Arad and areas closer to the Hungarian border. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:34:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: At the current rate, they can't get Tokmak this fall. Russia will push their agents in Europe (including political parties vying for government seats) to increase pressure for reducing aid. Russia wins when the West cuts aid to Ukraine. They don't have to beat Ukraine on the field, they just have to outlast western political/popular will, then they can keep everything they stole. Ukraine has to win on the field, which is a much heavier objective. The crowing and posturing of Russians declaring victory will be sickening. And US foreign policy takes another very public failure. ACATMs now! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Yeah, agreed. While the counter offense was not a defeat per se, it did NOT reach expectations. I believe taking Tomak was the low bar for "success" and reaching the Azov Sea was the high bar. The Russians surprised most of us with their hard and effective defense despite shit morale and losses. Hopefully the UA can settle in and keep pressure on the Russians, keep atritting them and especially their arty all winter. Also making life for the BSF in Crimea difficult. I have high hopes for those Abrams (and F16s) for next spring... At the current rate, they can't get Tokmak this fall. Russia will push their agents in Europe (including political parties vying for government seats) to increase pressure for reducing aid. Russia wins when the West cuts aid to Ukraine. They don't have to beat Ukraine on the field, they just have to outlast western political/popular will, then they can keep everything they stole. Ukraine has to win on the field, which is a much heavier objective. The crowing and posturing of Russians declaring victory will be sickening. And US foreign policy takes another very public failure. ACATMs now! Disappointed, for certain. And a huge part of the problem was a simple Russian weapon deployed in unimaginably large numbers: the TM-46 (or some variant thereof)  US doctrine does, minimally, consider this weapon in how combined arms breaching operations are “planned” but the centerpiece remains the 1958-origin MICLIC - a system foreign to the Ukrainians. We have long known the technique, doctrine, and weapon systems were behind the times; this is from 2020:  AUSA 2020 Warriors Corner: Future Combined Arms Breaching In Ukraine, the Russian’s simple and effective solution was to make the minefields many times deeper; sometimes hundreds of yards thick, with their endless supply of cheap anti tank mines. On our part, the stalled offensive was a mistake of approach. We should have seen this coming. The Russians created a “Maginon Line” of minefields, and we failed to understand we need to figure out a way to go around. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:36:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:37:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:41:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: That is straight up white wash bullshit. They were used extensively for anti-partisan duties. Furthermore holding up the fact that they supported and joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (Who happened to have a policy of ethnic cleansing against the Poles and had no problems turning Jews over to the Nazis) is not helping your case. My view on this doesn't come from Russian sources but from the Polish national archives and the fact that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army turned my Great Grandparents over to the fucking Nazis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Since the topic of the SS Galicia is in the news, I wanted to post some info since much of the conservative media is yet again posting a Kremlin narrative unfortunately. Many are very ignorant about what the Galicia SS was. It was NOT a typical German SS unit, it was a military unit ONLY used only for front line combat. Ukrainians that joined pledged: - ONLY to fight Russian communists since Russia just a few years earlier deported 300,000 Ukrainians to die in Siberia AND Stalin murdersd between 7 - 12 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor in 1931, the largest genocide by famine in order to wipe out Ukrainian history, ethnicity, culture, and language (something that was going on for hundreds of years between Muscovites/Russians and Kyivan-Rus people/Ukrainians). - Ukrainians stated that they are NEVER to be positioned to fight ANY Allied force (and in the rare instance where they wound up faced off with one like France, they surrendered), and they never fought the Allies - The SS Galicia funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army which was fighting and killing the Russians AND the Germans - At one point, SS Galicia Units joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in mass - The Ukrainian SS Galicia were NOT political Nazis nor did they consider themselves Nazis (Nazis killed over 2 million Ukrainians in WW2, my family wound up in a German camp and their home, business, and farm were taken) - the Russians HATED Ukrainians and their partisan groups so as they say, the victors write the history and they did- filled with lies about Ukrainians I won't list a bunch of books about this because ARFCOM is book/reading phobic, but here is one interview which may be of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQHS0EPDc0That is straight up white wash bullshit. They were used extensively for anti-partisan duties. Furthermore holding up the fact that they supported and joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (Who happened to have a policy of ethnic cleansing against the Poles and had no problems turning Jews over to the Nazis) is not helping your case. My view on this doesn't come from Russian sources but from the Polish national archives and the fact that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army turned my Great Grandparents over to the fucking Nazis. My grandparents and mother (who is still alive) were there. Ukrainian Jews served in the the UPA and three of the top officers were Jewish doctors. My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors from the Germans and my mother still remembers when the Germans came into her village looking for families of UPA partisans and were executing Ukrainian men in the village square (they came to her house questioning them about my great uncle who joined the resistance because someone turned his name in). You only give one side regarding Poland. Poland controlled western Ukraine. You know what they did to Ukrainians? You think that Poland waltzed in with flowers and good will??? Poland: - brought in thousands of Poles, threw Ukrainians out of their homes and gave the home and farms to their people - forbid and/or restricted Ukrainians from using the Cyrillic alphabet - forced Ukrainians to join the Roman Catholic church and closed Orthodox churches - forced Ukrainian children to be taught in Polish - tried to erase Ukrainian history in schools - imprisoned Ukrainians not going along - disarmed Ukrainians As far as UPA, My Ukrainian family fought the Nazis and my mother (who is still alive) remembers them taking my grandfather's business. They wound up in German camp where my grandmother was beaten for asking Nazi guards for medicine when my mother came down with diphtheria. Here learn something: UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) recruitment poster which shows a UPA soldier bayoneting two effigies: Hitler and Stalin.  And here are two very good documentaries on the subject: Thе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part ONE  Th? Ukrainian Insurgent Army - Chronicles 1942-1954 (PART ONE) | release 2014 Thе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part TWO  Th? Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part TWO |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:46:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperSixOne: Ronald Reagan's GOP was for Bigger government, out of control spending, and less individual rights. not exactly conservative Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperSixOne: Originally Posted By weptek911: She is an embarrassment to the GOP, Hell, the current GOP is an embarrassment to Ronald Reagan's GOP. not exactly conservative I'm going to use post 24000 to say this is one of the most ridiculous comments ever. Listen to this video of excerpts from Reagan's speeches and realize how wrong you truly are:  Failed To Load Title "Freedom, freedom, and more freedom". That sums up his philosophy and that of the majority of the GOP of the Reagan era. The man was an inspiration to millions and led our country to one of its greatest periods in history. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:51:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: My grandparents and mother (who is still alive) were there. Ukrainian Jews served in the the UPA and three of the top officers were Jewish doctors. My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors from the Germans and my mother still remembers when the Germans came into her village looking for families of UPA partisans and were executing Ukrainian men in the village square (they came to her house questioning them about my great uncle who joined the resistance because someone turned his name in). You only give one side regarding Poland. Poland controlled western Ukraine. You know what they did to Ukrainians? You think that Poland waltzed in with flowers and good will??? Poland: - brought in thousands of Poles, threw Ukrainians out of their homes and gave the home and farms to their people - forbid and/or restricted Ukrainians from using the Cyrillic alphabet - forced Ukrainians to join the Roman Catholic church and closed Orthodox churches - forced Ukrainian children to be taught in Polish - tried to erase Ukrainian history in schools - imprisoned Ukrainians not going along - disarmed Ukrainians As far as UPA, My Ukrainian family fought the Nazis and my mother (who is still alive) remembers them taking my grandfather's business. They wound up in German camp where my grandmother was beaten for asking Nazi guards for medicine when my mother came down with diphtheria. Here learn something: UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) recruitment poster which shows a UPA soldier bayoneting two effigies: Hitler and Stalin. https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg And here are two very good documentaries on the subject: Thе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part ONE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXYyY6lBeUMThе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part TWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXw32fbqnqEQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Since the topic of the SS Galicia is in the news, I wanted to post some info since much of the conservative media is yet again posting a Kremlin narrative unfortunately. Many are very ignorant about what the Galicia SS was. It was NOT a typical German SS unit, it was a military unit ONLY used only for front line combat. Ukrainians that joined pledged: - ONLY to fight Russian communists since Russia just a few years earlier deported 300,000 Ukrainians to die in Siberia AND Stalin murdersd between 7 - 12 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor in 1931, the largest genocide by famine in order to wipe out Ukrainian history, ethnicity, culture, and language (something that was going on for hundreds of years between Muscovites/Russians and Kyivan-Rus people/Ukrainians). - Ukrainians stated that they are NEVER to be positioned to fight ANY Allied force (and in the rare instance where they wound up faced off with one like France, they surrendered), and they never fought the Allies - The SS Galicia funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army which was fighting and killing the Russians AND the Germans - At one point, SS Galicia Units joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in mass - The Ukrainian SS Galicia were NOT political Nazis nor did they consider themselves Nazis (Nazis killed over 2 million Ukrainians in WW2, my family wound up in a German camp and their home, business, and farm were taken) - the Russians HATED Ukrainians and their partisan groups so as they say, the victors write the history and they did- filled with lies about Ukrainians I won't list a bunch of books about this because ARFCOM is book/reading phobic, but here is one interview which may be of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQHS0EPDc0That is straight up white wash bullshit. They were used extensively for anti-partisan duties. Furthermore holding up the fact that they supported and joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (Who happened to have a policy of ethnic cleansing against the Poles and had no problems turning Jews over to the Nazis) is not helping your case. My view on this doesn't come from Russian sources but from the Polish national archives and the fact that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army turned my Great Grandparents over to the fucking Nazis. My grandparents and mother (who is still alive) were there. Ukrainian Jews served in the the UPA and three of the top officers were Jewish doctors. My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors from the Germans and my mother still remembers when the Germans came into her village looking for families of UPA partisans and were executing Ukrainian men in the village square (they came to her house questioning them about my great uncle who joined the resistance because someone turned his name in). You only give one side regarding Poland. Poland controlled western Ukraine. You know what they did to Ukrainians? You think that Poland waltzed in with flowers and good will??? Poland: - brought in thousands of Poles, threw Ukrainians out of their homes and gave the home and farms to their people - forbid and/or restricted Ukrainians from using the Cyrillic alphabet - forced Ukrainians to join the Roman Catholic church and closed Orthodox churches - forced Ukrainian children to be taught in Polish - tried to erase Ukrainian history in schools - imprisoned Ukrainians not going along - disarmed Ukrainians As far as UPA, My Ukrainian family fought the Nazis and my mother (who is still alive) remembers them taking my grandfather's business. They wound up in German camp where my grandmother was beaten for asking Nazi guards for medicine when my mother came down with diphtheria. Here learn something: UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) recruitment poster which shows a UPA soldier bayoneting two effigies: Hitler and Stalin. https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg And here are two very good documentaries on the subject: Thе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part ONE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXYyY6lBeUMThе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part TWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXw32fbqnqEIt's funny you mentioned this stuff. My great grand father was stationed in the rearward areas of Ukraine and he was in the Hungarian army. He said that the only peaceful times was everyone smelling the Gulash wagons from the Hungarian army. While he was just in the artillery, they did captured Ukrainian partisans and a hearty meal was usually given to them. Didn't need to torture them or punish them, they told the Hungarians everything over fresh gulyas and bread. Several gave them warnings of Soviet activity and his unit let them go before the Germans arrived. OHHHHH, yeah...they escaped......Germans accused some of the Hungarian units of collaborating with Poles and Ukrainians. He didn't do partisan activity, his unit was mainly artillery supporting whatever unit needed them. Sadly, after the war, him and his friends spent 5 years in Siberia. Didn't come home until 1950.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:55:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: I'm going to use post 24000 to say this is one of the most ridiculous comments ever. Listen to this video of excerpts from Reagan's speeches and realize how wrong you truly are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1fWxBW9Sg"Freedom, freedom, and more freedom". That sums up his philosophy and that of the majority of the GOP of the Reagan era. The man was an inspiration to millions and led our country to one of its greatest periods in history. Agreed. People like MTG aren't worthy of being a pimple on Reagan's ass. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:58:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryA couple of things that identifies those vatnik supporters really caught my eye - they share the same general hatred for the US that is espoused by some of the worst GD posters...   |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 12:03:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Better red than a Ukranian eh Greene Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Better red than a Ukranian eh Greene MTG lowers the IQ of any room she enters. There are 5th graders in this country who would make a better congressional representative. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 12:05:25 PM EDT
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X Twitter Link A Gefechtshelm M92 donated by Germany saves the life of a Ukrainian soldier . So far, Germany has supplied Ukraine with a total of 28,000 helmets.  Edited to add correct twitter link |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 12:16:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: My grandparents and mother (who is still alive) were there. Ukrainian Jews served in the the UPA and three of the top officers were Jewish doctors. My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors from the Germans and my mother still remembers when the Germans came into her village looking for families of UPA partisans and were executing Ukrainian men in the village square (they came to her house questioning them about my great uncle who joined the resistance because someone turned his name in). You only give one side regarding Poland. Poland controlled western Ukraine. You know what they did to Ukrainians? You think that Polnad waltzed in with flowers and good will??? Poland: - brought in thousands of Poles, threw Ukrainians out of their homes and gave the home and farms to their people - forbid and/or restricted Ukrainians from using the Cyrillic alphabet - forced Ukrainians to join the Roman Catholic church and closed Orthodox churches - forced Ukrainian children to be taught in Polish - tried to erase Ukrainian history in schools - imprisoned Ukrainians not going along - disarmed Ukrainians As far as UPA, My Ukrainian family fought the Nazis and my mother (who is still alive) remembers them taking my grandfather's business. They wound up in German camp where my grandmother was beaten for asking Nazi guards for medicine when my mother came down with diphtheria. Here learn something: UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) recruitment poster which shows a UPA soldier bayoneting two effigies: Hitler and Stalin. https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg And here are two very good documentaries on the subject: Thе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part ONE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXYyY6lBeUMThе Ukrainian Insurgent Army Chronicles 1942-1954. Part TWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXw32fbqnqETake off your rose colored glasses for a second and look at this objectively. You seem to think that I'm somehow uneducated on this topic but hey you want to bring family stories into this? Cool, I'll play. My great grandfather fought for Baron Wrangel during the Russian civil War. When Wrangel evacuated my great grandfather stashed every weapon he could find. He later provided those weapons to the UPA. When he ran out of weaponry to support them my grandmother got to watch her parents get dragged off by UPA members and handed off to the SS who hung their bodies in the town square. The only reason she didn't get handed over was because other UPA members decided she was more useful as a thing to be gang raped. Were there people in the UPA that were good like your family? Undoubtedly. Were there people that were absolute inhuman monsters that committed atrocities? Absolutely. Trying to hold the entire organization (both UPA and the 1st Gallician) up as blameless and some bastion of heroism with lily white hands is a childish view of a very complex and nuanced situation. EVERYONE was commiting atrocities in the Eastern front. So when you try to say blatantly false information like the 1st Gallician was only a frontline unit and never engaged in atrocities or that their support for the UPA is somehow a mitigating factor for their reputation when the UPA units they were supporting were carrying out atrocities I'm going to call you out on your bullshit. Furthermore attempting to defend their actions and putting them up on a pedestal just plays into the Russian narrative of "denazifying" Ukraine. You're handing the Russians an Infowar win on a silver platter. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 12:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Probably loitering in the AK forum posting about his sub-MOA groups using Tula X39... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Okay, this guy is definitely a member here. Pretty sure I've seen some questionable stuff from some WY tagged account, but the name is escaping me. Probably loitering in the AK forum posting about his sub-MOA groups using Tula X39... 
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