Came to see Ted Cruz get 'torched.' Was disappointed. Thread title is false and misleading. OP did not deliver.

@CCLJ03

First, watch Cruz's response which your clip conveniently left out.   You can watch that here.  

Now, to what you posted:  I said it is bullshit because it is bullshit.   I am not saying I don't like it or that I disagree with it:  I am saying what he said is factually false and untrue.   A shortcut to that would be to say what I said:  BULLSHIT.

To your specific points:

-Walls for defense and security predate what we know as the medieval period (the Romans, Greeks, Etruscans, Hebrews, etc...) and are used to this very day.   Our military installations use them.   Many of our government buildings use them (the White House).   Many of the wealthiest among us use them.

You have a house or a structure you live in, right?   Does that structure have walls?   Mine does.   Know why?  Because they WORK to keep many things out.

We use them because they work.    They don't work perfectly, nothing does, but that isn't the point.

-There was a flood, people did die.   Floods happen.   The federal shut down had NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do with that flood.    You have a state government and you have local governments and federal tax dollars mean nothing when it comes to help saving lives and, if you say otherwise, then that is a damning indictment of your state and local governments and you should reconsider why they are allowed to continue.

-Our debt is, indeed, increasing.   That happens when there are enough democrats in the Senate to ensure nothing gets passed without their input (60 vote threshold).

Our debt was going up under Bush (democrats held both chambers of Congress his last two years, people fail to mention that).    Our total national debt nearly DOUBLED under Obama.   See for yourself.   Why?   Because when Obama came into office democrats rammed through a budget and a series of bills and then failed to pass a budget for years; opting instead to pass CRs (continuing resolutions) the rest of Obama's time in office while Congress, under democrat control (the house, 2008-2010; the senate 2008-2012) and Obama in office failed to meet their constitutional and statutory duties and deadlines resulting in a massive debt that may very well cripple this nation.

-Our economy has company?    What do you mean by this because I do not recall that in his speech.   He spoke of China raping Africa (true and irrelevant; this has been going on for years and years and it won't end anytime soon) and landing a rover on the dark side of the moon (So what?  We already sent men there and have private companies; PLURAL, that CURRENTLY put China and Russia's space programs shame), the race for AI (again, no evidence just assertions about Chinese advances).

Do you have anything else?

- I don't disagree that walls are effective - I just made the point that they are, in fact, medieval.
- The feds didn't spend money they had already taken through taxation specifically for events such as that
- Our economy has company... as in we aren't the only big dogs in the block anymore. I believe thats the point he was making in his "bullshit claims" about our wealth

You just can't fathom that somebody different than you went to a school with 30,000 undergrads?

I was literally pointing out how ridiculous some of the argumentative logic I've heard here is. That was the point.

What? What is our government made of if not people? Let's take public land for example - do you ever go out and enjoy our public lands? Can you imagine how hard that would be if it were all owned privately for-profit? How about a new private toll road every couple of miles?

Indeed, someone was "torched" yesterday, but it wasn't Senator Cruz.

Bennett is a LIAR

I am from Loveland, Colorado.  I was in the flood.  My shop had 3 feet of water inside and my work yard was under 8 feet of water.

There were NO people killed from the government shutdown.  Work started immediately after the flooding.

Bennett is a liar and a grandstander

Big-Thompson-Flood-2 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr

Big-Thompson-Flood-7 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr

Big-Thompson-Flood-9 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr

Big-Thompson-Flood-13 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr

No kidding - I edited that a couple of times before ending up with that CoC-compliant reply.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

And it could be argued one way or the other on if it’s better now than before.

As for the video: didn’t watch & don’t need to. Shit like this is pandering and platitudes made to make the opposition look bad.

NEWS FLASH! Politicians SUCK!

P.S- fuck commies

demoRAT.....

He can drown in a fire....

@CCLJ03

Trump didn’t keep the promise to build the wall because Democrats and RINOs wouldn’t let him.  Heck, the GOPe wouldn’t let him.  Trump has been fighting the Republicans (with few exceptions) and Democrats since day one.

I think you’re letting him brainwash you and tug at your heartstrings.

I don’t think this makes you a bad person (as long as you vote Republican), but you are being naive.

No, you literally did say "many of the people on the left are threatening to put kids in a woodchipper"

Now you're obscurely claiming it was one Disney writer...

Don't you think thats incendiary behavior?

This is true. Pick up that can, citizen

Incendiary like talking out of your ass about shit you have no clue about?

Well, we could compromise on everything and watch our children die in concentration camps.

I can, I just didn't expect them to be on Arfcom posting a video of a democrat asshole throwing a temper tantrum and trying to say we all should watch it.

LOL

I thought one small speech was interesting and somewhat respectable, and now I'm the reason Colorado is "lost".

Thank god for term limits, that asshole will be gone in '22.  The only reason he is opposed to the wall is that Trump campaigned on it.  Doesn't matter that the wall, and more security, is needed, just that Trump can't be allowed to build it.

We've all learned that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

You must have been out sick that day.

Go back to DU

The fact you think that cock sucker Bennet has said a single shred of truth is telling

- The medieval talking point is laughable.  Walls are universal, they were certainly the first structures made by man and the first thing that someone dealing with physical security of an area does.  They are cost effective means to keep honest people honest and slow down the rest so that you can deal with them through more active means.
- The feds spend more money than they take in every year.  You're being intellectually dishonest to complain that the feds are both spending money and not spending money at the same time.  And again, it's not in their constitutional power to deal with local floods in the first place.
- We have never been the only big dogs on the world economy.  To claim that this is a new phenomenon is as laughable as the rest of your points.

Fixed it for ya.

Were you living here at the time? There was no "poor response."

Yeah, I listened. "Medieval wall..." Bennett is a pathetic statist bitch.

You aren't even technically correct.  Walls are not "medieval".  The Romans were great wall builders.  As was Carthage.  And the Chinese.  As was every little knot of civilization in every little city before them.  Perhaps you should ponder why that is.

Calling walls "medieval" is simply idiotic.

No democrat can ever hold my respect. How would that guy vote for an AWB? How about a UBI or Single Payer? How about a wall to help keep illegals out? How about more welfare?

That D-bag would vote this republic right into the hands of the commie globalists. Having a few agreements is irrelevant. Hitler liked ice cream. So do I. That doesn't earn my respect.

How much are you getting paid to try and find middle ground with us anyways?

Hello fellow firearms enthusiasts...

@CCLJ03

You do realize that the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement replacing NAFTA is worth considerably more to the U.S. than $5B per year, right?  Yes, Mexico is paying for the wall.

Not to mention the money we'd save by reducing the flow of welfare recipients coming across the border.

Well, I don't compromise on basic human rights (like the right to self defense or gun rights in general). That also includes my rights to my own body and what I put in it, who people choose to love... that kind of stuff. I'm more of a live and let live kid of person.

The problem I have is that I hear lot of guys talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to the size of the government. Big government here... small government here kind of stuff. It gets confusing.

I literally posted this because I thought he had a couple of good points. The response here tells me I probably should start preparing for a real civil war.

This much anger, assumption, generalization, hostility, and partisanship can only lead one place in the end.

"torches"

oh the hyperbole

That man would see you disarmed in a second if he could.
That man would see all your wealth taken from you in a heartbeat if he could.
That man would seek to undermine what made this country great and turn it into a third-world hell hole if only he could have power over us if he could.
That man is of the party that fought a war to keep slavery; fought to keep blacks as second class citizens, and the party that created the KKK to lynch the ones they couldn't force to back down and seeks to allow every and any person to enter this country illegally as to ensure you are rendered obsolete and your country is taken from you by simple inertia.

A person of that party swayed you to such a degree that he earned your respect with a speech filled with lies and deceit and you doubt IchWarrior's claim?

How about the complete lack of outrage from the media? They pick apart everything the right says and does...silence in this case surely indicates agreement and approval... So yes, many on the left are perfectly fine with the idea.

People are ticked off at T$ today so Op has to strike while the iron is hot.

Wow, how fucked up does your state have to be in order to elect a autistic as a senator?

Holy fuck, that was terrible to watch.

The magazine in your avatar is illegal in your state because of commie fags like him.

I was on my way back from the local ammunition and firearm supply store........

So did you bother to Google the Roosevelt Reservation so you could tell us how accurate his eminent domain claims about the wall are?

I actually said” ...and encouraging violence against” so you can be as pedantic as you want -  but the reports of death threats, bomb threats on some media outlets and the responses on social media support the “encouraging violence against” aspect of my statement.

If you’re not here to troll, watch the Ted Cruz video starting at 6:45.

Troll demands proof. Is given proof, ignores and celebrates "winning".

This

Dude is a fucking commie.  OP, it isn’t the federal govt that has made America great

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Says the guy who after hearing the full context and Senator Cruz’s rebuttal, chooses to side with the Commie motherfucker who wants to disarm him.  I mean, unless you are assuming that you’ll get that Commie discretion on how laws apply,

Finally got to it. That's a great point!

Didn't even know about that.

So Ted Cruz shut down the government in 2013 because he didn't want to fund Obamacare and now Ted Cruz shut down the government because the Democrats don't want to fund the wall? It doesn't work that way. If it was Cruz's fault then, that means it is Bennet's fault now.

The government was shut down for a whole 16 days in 2013. Obama declared an emergency for the floods on Sept. 12 and the Federal government provided aid up until the shutdown. During the shutdown Colorado footed the bill and was reimbursed after the government opened back up. Any deaths that occurred happened way before the shutdown. Hopefully some day Colorado will finally be able to recover.

Says the guy with the exact same conundrum.  

This forum is being overrun.

@CCLJ03

United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement

Trump signed it.  Read it.  We won.

At least you're honest about it