This in incorrect and you know it.

He declared it had been declassified when he was president.  He just didn't tell you about it until after the fact.
Worst system, but for all! the rest.

Worst system but for all the rest.

Nuclear codes are changed daily and the location of subs changes constantly.  That information would be completely worthless in less than a day.

Worst system but for all the rest.

Would the communications between Hillary, Obama and Russia regarding Uranium One be worthless

A different thing but still pretty much worthless since nothing would ever likely come of their discovery.  In any case assuming that these so far undiscovered documents exist and were at some point classified Top Secret and Obama were found to be in possession of them he could certainly claim that he declassified them before he left office.

Finally an update on this--the government just filed their motion opposing Trump's claims about how the search was conducted, the issue of the order of the documents, etc.:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/644/united-states-v-trump/

I haven't read the whole thing yet, if I'm bored later I might go extract anything that looks interesting in the context of this conversation.

You can see a bunch of the document attachments here in the recent filing from June 24th (you might have to sort the entries by descending date to find it):

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

They also included more pictures from the search--it's hard to link to them because they are individual attachments to the motion, but here are some screenshots I grabbed:

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@Cincinnatus

A few more:

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These were taken by a Mar-a-Lago employee before the raid:

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Here's a little more detail about the camera recording being turned off-- evidently Trump's attorney had them turn recording back on before the search started:

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How does a recording impact agent safety, but live viewing doesn't?

What classified national security material is embedded into clothing?

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Lmaoooo. They were sniffing Trumps draws in addition to Melania’s.

I guess if you think there are people in Trump World connected to the violent J6ers (I think Roger Stone was communicating with the Oath Keepers and/or Proud Boys?), you're afraid that a screenshot of somebody's face will lead to agents being identified and in danger...?

It's not conclusive, but I found a little more info that might be relevant to the question that has swirled for months about that photo that hit the media when the indictment was released (the supposed classified documents spread out on the floor next to the box).

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These are the referenced photos:

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Based on that, my best guess is that what we see in the photo is cover sheets that were brought by the FBI, but underneath them are still the actual classified documents.

It doesn't really matter but it certainly was more confusing than it needed to be.

Lol

This thread has who knows how many pages of people claiming (with minimal to no evidence) that the government did not follow proper procedures when they executed the search warrant. The government has now released more details about the procedures they followed and why. Was it foolish of me to assume that anybody actually cares?

I suppose I should not be surprised, the typical pattern in these stories is for people looking for anything to jump on to assume that everything that is known is all there is to know and then proceed to make hard conclusions that support the preferred narrative.  They never seem to go back and make any corrections when new information is released or care when it's revealed that the conclusions were wrong because they didn't have complete information.

I'm pretty sure the FBI has to pinky swear that it's real.  Good enough for me, top men.

That’s plausible. It’s also plausible that they wanted to sniff Trumps underwear in that box WITHOUT being on camera.

You would think Trump would hire a better house keeper. What a slob.

I like this thread for reminding me that no matter how much proof comes out that Trump is the victim of malicious prosecution, all the terrible things the media told America that Trump said or did were lies, that permanent Washington worked tirelessly to undermine his administration, all of it - there are still going to be dipshits clinging to their now religious belief that Trump justifiably is a "convicted felon"

Lol, more pictures of stacks of papers with "Top Secret" cover sheets the Feds brought with them. Could be, and probably is, anything. Maybe it's Trump's secret spaghetti sauce recipe.

What's the mens rea here?  Knowingly?  

How would someone know they had some classified docs intermingled with newspaper articles,  golf shirts, copies of official declarations etc?

I get that Trump is an all-knowing evil overlord, but man, it seems like the criminal state of mind will be tough if not impossible to prove.

This prosecution seems more than a tad capricious and based upon malice, not a fair and equal application of the law.

Those photos, to me,  engender more questions than they answer.

And no, for reasons previously stated in detail, I would not blindly accept the DOJs explanation for any of this.

How often does your housekeeper clean a locked storage room?

the panic is hitting deep now.  not much longer.  

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I can't imagine how many boxes of documents needed to be stored.  

I've wrapped up a couple of paper intensive matters/partnerships/cases.  Easy to critique until you're faced with a couple hundred bankers boxes filled with shit no one will ever see, but must be maintained for a decade, or in perpetuity.

I'm sure you read the 33 page filing plus 17 attached exhibits that I linked to before responding, right?  And you're not just responding to a few random photos?

Because that's what serious people do.  You do want me to take you seriously, right?

Obviously we won't know until a trial actually happens, if it ever happens. But if you read what I linked to, you would see them discussing the question.  They know that it's a critical element they have to prove, and they have cooperating witnesses who can testify to the question.

But from our perspective as random observers, all the public statements Trump has made on the matter in the last 3 years certainly do not help his argument that he had no idea what was in the boxes. Expect the prosecution to use all of it as evidence to support their claim that he was very familiar with the contents of the boxes.

You posted the photos most supportive of your position, right?

Not just a few random photos?

Seems like a weekly argument.  I thank you for taking on the idiocy.    I can't anymore.




Oh look!  A classified PF Chang's Lettuce Wrap!!


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There is no reliable reporter in any of this.  

The feds don't have a great record with cooperating witnesses/co-defendants in high profile cases.

Trump bloviates about all sorts of stuff.  So do most politicians.  We will see how it plays out, but I think this one goes nowhere.

None of that matters if only you believe the FFBI/FDOJ are not lying thru their teeth. You/they/them have to do better than that.

Snort.

I don’t have a housekeeper. But I keep my shit organized. Especially my declassified documents section of the house. You know. Just in case I need to give some stuff to mu secret government people out killing in the name of freedom and such.

I bet there were pics of Trump pissing on Russian hookers while Putin held trumps dick.

I posted all the new photos provided in the filing.

I don't really have a position here, other than I don't just automatically assume everything the feds say is a lie as many here seem to do.  My only position is that I choose to live in a world where facts still matter and you can't just assume anything that doesn't support your preferred narrative is a lie.  I choose to live in a world where it's more likely that government prosecutors don't lie in indictments than that they do, which appears to put me in a very small minority here.

lol

The DOJ has shown that they are not objective with Trump.  The DOJ has a questionable track record in high-profile political cases.  Some of us have worked with the DOJ and that (by at least my own admission) does create a bias to not trust a single fucking thing they say in political cases.  

You get to believe as you like. But that's a belief which, AFAIK, is based on faith.  

And look who they got walking around with the nuclear codes now.

Here is why your fellow travelers in this thread have abandoned you.  They realize that their arguments have lost.  You would do well to understand this and leave as well.  Good luck.

Jack Smith continues to admit in court filings how far the government went to manipulate the evidence in the Classified Documents case.

Has 51 former Top level security advisors signed off on this yet ??

For some perspective on equitable treatment and whether the gov deserves our unwaivering trust- Joel B Pollock:

Our law enforcement and intelligence services have also taken sides. Hillary Clinton illegally hosted government emails on her private server, likely to conceal her family’s corruption. Some of the emails had classified information and could have been hacked by America’s enemies. She later had the emails deleted, never to be recovered.

The Department of Justice declined to prosecute her, despite the letter of the law. It was an election year, you see.

In the same campaign, Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee hired an opposition research firm to fabricate evidence of Russian “collusion” with Trump. They fed it to the media and the FBI, which lied to a federal judge to obtain surveillance warrants.

The Clinton campaign falsely reported the money as “legal expenses.”
Years later, they had to pay a fine or two. Hillary Clinton was never prosecuted.

The military, once the most respected of all American institutions, simply needed to maintain its devotion to the Constitution and its neutral posture on politics.

Instead, the Biden Administration ordered the military to purge Trump supporters from its ranks and turned the U.S. armed forces into vehicles for LGBTQ activism.
Small wonder that recruitment has plummeted, and the image and effectiveness of the military has suffered.
There is no worse symbol of failure than the military’s floating pier in Gaza, built for purely political reasons, breaking this week.

Duty is straightforward. Boring, perhaps, but simple and necessary.
The reason democracy works is that the political opposition still behaves — or did, until recently — as though it still has a duty to support the country, even as it opposes the government.
But Democrats set that aside with the so-called “Resistance” to Trump, which rejected the results of the 2016 election and tried to undermine the Trump presidency.

Now that it is in power, the “Resistance” has used its “lawfare” to pursue Trump, as well as his advisers and supporters.
That “lawfare” reached its nadir this week in Judge Merchan’s courtroom — and outside the courthouse, where the Biden campaign staged a press conference Tuesday with actor Robert De Niro that destroyed any pretense that the case against Trump was not political at its core.

The Biden campaign reportedly cheered the verdict. They should have cursed it. Even if Biden somehow wins, his election will never be regarded as legitimate, and half the country will have lost all faith in the judicial system.

So much for “restoring” the rule of law, as Biden promised.

Understanding the futility of a rational discussion or an accurate rendition of facts in GD is miles away from abandoning them....