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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:51:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Notcalifornialegal]
I'm not familiar with this dude, but Tucker gave him a 2 hour long interview.
Cooper's response https://subscribe.martyrmade.com/p/to-the-perplexed-waudio |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:54:00 PM EDT
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Post war consensus is cracking
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:55:48 PM EDT
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While I've yet to hear this one, Cooper has one of the best podcasts out there IMO
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:57:28 PM EDT
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The expression “break the internet” has been bandied about forever, usually as an attempt to convince people soemthing is already viral.
But Darryl’s stance on Churchill / Hitler, communicated on Tucker’s show, has sent the rightwing twitterverse into a bit of a circular firing squad. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:59:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: John_Wayne777]
[#4]
Twitter is out there with a bunch of absolute fuckery based on this, down to a full retconning of Hitler as the guy who was trying to achieve peace and claiming that the entire narrative of WW2 is a jewish conspiracy.
Which is fucking nuts. As in anyone who believes that is a fucking nutcase. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:01:25 PM EDT
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Huge Martyr Made fan. I’ll look forward to its release.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Twitter is out there with a bunch of absolute fuckery based on this, down to a full retconning of Hitler as the guy who was trying to achieve peace and claiming that the entire narrative of WW2 is a jewish conspiracy. Which is fucking nuts. As in anyone who believes that is a fucking nutcase. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:09:02 PM EDT
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Twitter is losing it's mind based off of a couple of short clips. Listen to the whole episode with a clear mind (I know, it might be painful). I don't know enough to form an opinion but he does bring up some very valid points.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:11:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishbit: http://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED275/6218598e898db.jpeg It's not exactly new information that Stalin was a shitbag and that lots of people saw the threat he in particular and the Soviet government in general posed to the rest of the world. But none of that makes Hitler the fucking good guy. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:13:03 PM EDT
[#9]
Gen X dude found a stash of his dad or grandad’s Pat Buchanan books, decided to do a deep dive, and came to the same conclusion that our Estonian member and many others formerly under the Soviet rule did: that the victory in the Second World War made the world safe for communism.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:21:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Woodsy: Twitter is losing it's mind based off of a couple of short clips. Listen to the whole episode with a clear mind (I know, it might be painful). I don't know enough to form an opinion but he does bring up some very valid points. It’s largely just a summarization of Pat Buchanan’s book on the same subject that was published 16 years ago. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:06:57 PM EDT
[#11]
Pretty good take on the whole thing from a pair of well-known and respected conservative writers (TLDR: Cooper is full of shit and Carlson has amplified the guy's full-of-shitness while further diminishing Carlson's own credibility).
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/thought-for-the-day-against-the-revisionists.php https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/tuckers-descent-continues.php |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:10:43 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FG24U: Huge Martyr Made fan. I’ll look forward to its release. This He’s the Martyr Made podcast that’s been posted here a bunch. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:49:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: I'm not familiar with this dude, but Tucker gave him a 2 hour long interview.
He had a 20+ tweet thread at X over why he doesn't like Churchill. Naturally anon saw the opportunity to get their Jew-hate on in the threads. His being a severe Israeli critic over Gaza, plus playing footsie in the interview with Tucker about the intentional or negligent character of some of the Nazi's war crimes, wasn't helping. Plus prior tweets with a picture of Hitler + Generals with the Eiffel Tower in the background and the picture of the Paris Olympic Opening Ceremony's Last Supper, also poured gas on the fire. (He made a comment about the Germans being unable to feed many of their prisoners. True, if referring to the several hundreds of thousands of Soviets captured during the Kiev and other giant encirclements in 1941; not true at all if explaining why millions died in concentration camps. Don't be ambiguous with language when dealing with inflammatory subjects, is my advice.) I disagree with a lot of his points in the thread---Churchill wasn't a decision maker for many of the points he's trying to lay at Churchill's feet---but the hyperbolic rhetoric the other direction is nuts. Can't we just say the guy is wrong here, here, and there, anymore? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:52:32 PM EDT
[#14]
Today's distraction.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 6:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By targetworks: Pretty good take on the whole thing from a pair of well-known and respected conservative writers (TLDR: Cooper is full of shit and Carlson has amplified the guy's full-of-shitness while further diminishing Carlson's own credibility). https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/thought-for-the-day-against-the-revisionists.php https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/tuckers-descent-continues.php Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By targetworks: Pretty good take on the whole thing from a pair of well-known and respected conservative writers (TLDR: Cooper is full of shit and Carlson has amplified the guy's full-of-shitness while further diminishing Carlson's own credibility). https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/thought-for-the-day-against-the-revisionists.php https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/tuckers-descent-continues.php Haven't dug through both of the links, though thank you for posting them, but I did read through the French historian's thread on X that was liberally quoted in the first link. My first thought reading it was that the French guy's point: , the overriding security imperative of the British government has been to prevent, at all costs, the appearance of a hegemonic power on the European continent. Therefore, given anyone reading the cliffs notes of Mein Kampf knew Hitler was going East, and indeed went East as his first moves of outright warfare, why get involved? Yep, terrible for the Poles. Especially after Stalin bent them over too. After that though, and considering neither Britain nor France wanted to push things, as evidenced by their conduct of the Phony War, sign an armistice and wait for Hitler and Stalin to have their inevitable falling out. It likely would have gone well, had France+UK gone immediately on the offensive. Germany had some decent losses taking Poland. Take the Ruhr. Which didn't happen, of course. To ask, "Why?," isn't a bad thing. I don't think it was Churchill single-handedly pushing to keep them heat on. MartyrMade disagrees. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 6:15:07 PM EDT
[#16]
The USSR was an incredibly evil regime lead by ruthless people.
Nazi Germany was an incredibly evil regime lead by ruthless people. The UK allied with the country it felt would give it the best postwar map, and its leaders were ruthless in the prosecution of the war. The USA allied with the country it felt would give it the best postwar map, and its leaders were ruthless in the prosecution of the war. The war left a great deal of the world in the hands of an evil regime lead by ruthless people. The leaders of the UK and the USA may have made some poor decisions in hindsight but did the best they could with the information they had available. The popular history has been written with more regard to justifying those decisions than the truth of events. All of these things can be true at once. Stop looking for good guys and bad guys in war, it's not a Marvel movie. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 6:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Twitter is out there with a bunch of absolute fuckery based on this, down to a full retconning of Hitler as the guy who was trying to achieve peace and claiming that the entire narrative of WW2 is a jewish conspiracy. Which is fucking nuts. As in anyone who believes that is a fucking nutcase. I don’t trust the media or the gov anymore. Makes me reflect if I ever should have trusted them. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 6:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: While I've yet to hear this one, Cooper has one of the best podcasts out there IMO Ditto |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 6:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver: I don’t trust the media or the gov anymore. Makes me reflect if I ever should have trusted them. I don't trust them either. But there's abundant documentation out there on exactly what the Nazi government was and what it did. We allied with a murderous genocidal tyrant with uncomfortable levels of support in our own nation to fight another murderous genocidal tyrant with uncomfortable levels of support in our own nation. Many of the "elites" of the day loved them some Adolph right up until we went to war with the Nazis and started liberating concentration camps. Then it became rather unfashionable to still be a nazi. Even then we took a shitload of Nazis into the US government and government affiliated organizations into our government in Operation Paperclip which unfortunately went well beyond rockets. Naturally our burgeoning deep state was eager to learn from the architects of the Nazi system just like they were eager participants with organized crime globally. We've had no such level reckoning over the USSR simps in our society or their level of penetration into the US government. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 7:01:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Twitter is out there with a bunch of absolute fuckery based on this, down to a full retconning of Hitler as the guy who was trying to achieve peace and claiming that the entire narrative of WW2 is a jewish conspiracy. Which is fucking nuts. As in anyone who believes that is a fucking nutcase. @John_Wayne777 Do you have a link? I have a professor friend who would find that all very interesting. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 8:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigFatDog: @John_Wayne777 Do you have a link? I have a professor friend who would find that all very interesting. Not handy, but if you go on twitter and search on terms related to the podcast (especially Churchill) you'll see plenty of it, including all the rabid jew haters trying to take some of the comments out of context and re-litigate Hitler. Or just go look up whatever Nick Fuentes has said on this today. That'll be enough rabbit hole for anyone to gag on. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:59:54 PM EDT
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Watching Ed Driscoll incessantly flog this shit over at Instapundit for the last several days has been instructive. This is essentially an attempted political hit.
I listened to the interview in its entirety. Cooper was not saying that the Holocaust was an accident. The point he was trying to make is that the Germans were wholly unprepared for the number of Soviet POWs they ended up with. That should hardly be controversial given that Stalin completely dropped the ball in terms of being prepared to defend the Soviet Union from an invasion. Darryl Cooper clearly has a beef with Churchill. Whatever. But his larger point is a fair one: World War 2 has taken on its own mythology and is now basically a matter of religious dogma. As time passes, that will be less and less the case. Dan Carlin has made a similar point with respect to Nazi Germany and the Mongol Empire. I don't see anyone claiming that he is a Hitler (or Genghis Khan) apologist, but then again, this is not actually about Darryl Cooper. Part of it is an attempt to take Tucker Carlson down. Another part of it is to try to use it to tar Trump and J.D. Vance by association given their relationship with Carlson. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:21:00 PM EDT
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Try figuring out why it was that the Japs that attacked us but yet we spent most of our resources fighting in Europe.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PCB66: Try figuring out why it was that the Japs that attacked us but yet we spent most of our resources fighting in Europe. Arcadia Conference...Roosevelt and Churchill. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:46:29 PM EDT
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Cooper is a member here, maybe he will chime in. His podcasts tend to run way deeper than can be summarized in a couple of tweets.
Anyone claiming to explain Cooper's position in a couple of sound bites is wrong. Let's not forget FDR was a socialist himself. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broken_reticle: Cooper is a member here, maybe he will chime in. His podcasts tend to run way deeper than can be summarized in a couple of tweets. Anyone claiming to explain Cooper's position in a couple of sound bites is wrong. Let's not forget FDR was a socialist himself. I'm one of his Substack subscribers. I believe he's working on an in-depth response to this silly horseshit. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Twitter is out there with a bunch of absolute fuckery based on this, down to a full retconning of Hitler as the guy who was trying to achieve peace and claiming that the entire narrative of WW2 is a jewish conspiracy. Which is fucking nuts. As in anyone who believes that is a fucking nutcase. This. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SkullFarmer:I'm one of his Substack subscribers. I believe he's working on an in-depth response to this silly horseshit. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:49:59 PM EDT
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Your simple question has a long answer for full context.
TL/DR: As a result of failure in government at all levels, 4th turning type shit, people are questioning the very foundation that society is built on. People profiting from the status quo don't like that. The dude may or may not be right, doesn't matter. He isn't the cause of the issue. Full version: I would classify American into three eras largely in line with the ideas of the 4th turning. The revolution to the civil war, civil war to WW2, and WW2 to today. The latest era is clearly coming to an end. Corruption and failure are at all levels of society, and no one really cares anymore. Many reasons for this, primary one is it is simply the order of things. Think of the concept of "the churn" from the expanse. Since it is coming to an end, people are questioning long held beliefs, even "sacred" ones. This is a symptom of failure and decline. Naturally, many midwits will attack the symptoms because they don't like the idea of corruption or decline. Many are dependent on the system and do not believe they can function without it. Many don't want to give up the money or power that comes from the system. Since this system has its foundation in WW2 questioning things like Churchill, the atom bomb dropping on Japan, etc is taboo. Basically people are going back to the beginning and wondering if it's always been this corrupt or did it happen recently. Perfectly logical thing to do when it becomes too obvious that it's probably irredeemably corrupt at this point. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:53:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By juan223: While I've yet to hear this one, Cooper has one of the best podcasts out there IMO Originally Posted By FG24U: Huge Martyr Made fan. I’ll look forward to its release. Big fan of this guy?  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ras_al_ghul: Your simple question has a long answer for full context. TL/DR: As a result of failure in government at all levels, 4th turning type shit, people are questioning the very foundation that society is built on. People profiting from the status quo don't like that. The dude may or may not be right, doesn't matter. He isn't the cause of the issue. Full version: I would classify American into three eras largely in line with the ideas of the 4th turning. The revolution to the civil war, civil war to WW2, and WW2 to today. The latest era is clearly coming to an end. Corruption and failure are at all levels of society, and no one really cares anymore. Many reasons for this, primary one is it is simply the order of things. Think of the concept of "the churn" from the expanse. Since it is coming to an end, people are questioning long held beliefs, even "sacred" ones. This is a symptom of failure and decline. Naturally, many midwits will attack the symptoms because they don't like the idea of corruption or decline. Many are dependent on the system and do not believe they can function without it. Many don't want to give up the money or power that comes from the system. Since this system has its foundation in WW2 questioning things like Churchill, the atom bomb dropping on Japan, etc is taboo. Basically people are going back to the beginning and wondering if it's always been this corrupt or did it happen recently. Perfectly logical thing to do when it becomes too obvious that it's probably irredeemably corrupt at this point. Corruption and failure are endemic to the human condition. As is myth-making. Sometimes it takes time and distance to get past the myth-making and see that the corruption and failure were there the whole time. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:54:46 PM EDT
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The west should have stayed out of it.
Churchill and Roosevelt both are guilty. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:55:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller:Big fan of this guy? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/585454/1000011560_png-3315746.JPG Over-the-top, but I remember how GD and right-wing twitter was after that ceremony too. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: While I've yet to hear this one, Cooper has one of the best podcasts out there IMO Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: While I've yet to hear this one, Cooper has one of the best podcasts out there IMO Originally Posted By FG24U: Huge Martyr Made fan. I’ll look forward to its release. Big fan of this guy?  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broken_reticle: Cooper is a member here, maybe he will chime in. His podcasts tend to run way deeper than can be summarized in a couple of tweets. Anyone claiming to explain Cooper's position in a couple of sound bites is wrong. Let's not forget FDR was a socialist himself. I had no idea he was a member here. Very interesting. I listened to the Tucker interview. Didn't completely agree with everything, did not think it was nearly as contro as everyone is making it out to be. I think it's possible that both sides were kinda bad in WW2. One was worse. After the appeasement failures, where Hitler promised not to attack Poland but did anyway, Britain had every right to assume Hitler was lying about everything when he was trying to allegedly make peace with Britain. You can't do business or have relationship with someone you can't trust, and Britain had no leverage to force him to keep any agreement. That's 100 percent on Hitler and the German government. Doesn't make Churchill a saint, but I wouldn't call him the villain either. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:23:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: I'm not familiar with this dude, but Tucker gave him a 2 hour long interview.
Best and most popular historian, but he's not like all those other old fashioned historians who do dumb stuff like write books that are edited and fact checked and use citations and follow academic standards. He does what real historians do--post nonsense historical revisionism on Twitter for the idiot anti-semetic crowd to lap up! Here's a few links if interested--this story is much more about Tucker than that idiot he's platforming: https://www.thefp.com/p/niall-ferguson-history-and-anti-history https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/we-need-to-talk-about-tucker-again/ https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/free-for-all/ https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/tuckers-1945-project/ |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FivespeedF150: The expression “break the internet” has been bandied about forever, usually as an attempt to convince people soemthing is already viral. But Darryl’s stance on Churchill / Hitler, communicated on Tucker’s show, has sent the rightwing twitterverse into a bit of a circular firing squad. The "ww2 wasn't Hitler's fault" narrative is retarded. But it totally plays into the modern political realism narrative. It's Polands fault for being "unreasonable" and not giving up Danzig to the real player, Germany. It's Britain's fault that Germany had to set up all those death camps. Absolute fucking retardation.  |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:33:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Twitter is out there with a bunch of absolute fuckery based on this, down to a full retconning of Hitler as the guy who was trying to achieve peace and claiming that the entire narrative of WW2 is a jewish conspiracy. Which is fucking nuts. As in anyone who believes that is a fucking nutcase. It's literal national socialist historical revision. It's taking the Nazis own apologist talking points at completely sincere face value. Which is fucking dumb, but here we are. 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:34:44 PM EDT
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Considering western nations have been completely exploited and are being overrun, im having a hard time seeing the silver lining here .
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:36:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By firedog51d: The west should have stayed out of it. Churchill and Roosevelt both are guilty. Kind of hard to do that when two countries declare war on you. We didn't declare war on Germany, Hitler thought Japan would attack Russia if Germany declared war on the US. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:38:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FivespeedF150]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: The "ww2 wasn't Hitler's fault" narrative is retarded. But it totally plays into the modern political realism narrative. It's Polands fault for being "unreasonable" and not giving up Danzig to the real player, Germany. It's Britain's fault that Germany had to set up all those death camps. Absolute fucking retardation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By FivespeedF150: The expression “break the internet” has been bandied about forever, usually as an attempt to convince people soemthing is already viral. But Darryl’s stance on Churchill / Hitler, communicated on Tucker’s show, has sent the rightwing twitterverse into a bit of a circular firing squad. The "ww2 wasn't Hitler's fault" narrative is retarded. But it totally plays into the modern political realism narrative. It's Polands fault for being "unreasonable" and not giving up Danzig to the real player, Germany. It's Britain's fault that Germany had to set up all those death camps. Absolute fucking retardation. Just commenting on the split between the "how dare he" and the "lol, pat buchanan said that years ago, catch up" crowds and how active they've been. Originally Posted By CMiller:Big fan of this guy?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/585454/1000011559_png-3315754.JPG Curious, these screenshots you're sharing, did you take them yourself when you saw them, or is there an account you're following telling you to be bigmad? Did you hear of the MartyrMade pod before all this? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:44:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Best and most popular historian, but he's not like all those other old fashioned historians who do dumb stuff like write books that are edited and fact checked and use citations and follow academic standards. He does what real historians do--post nonsense historical revisionism on Twitter for the idiot anti-semetic crowd to lap up! Here's a few links if interested--this story is much more about Tucker than that idiot he's platforming: https://www.thefp.com/p/niall-ferguson-history-and-anti-history https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/we-need-to-talk-about-tucker-again/ https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/free-for-all/ https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/tuckers-1945-project/ Yeah, I’m not reading anything associated with David French or Jonah Goldberg. Homie, you’d have more luck posting some TikHistory videos rebutting Cooper’s claims. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:46:29 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ras_al_ghul: I had no idea he was a member here. Very interesting. I listened to the Tucker interview. Didn't completely agree with everything, did not think it was nearly as contro as everyone is making it out to be. I think it's possible that both sides were kinda bad in WW2. One was worse. After the appeasement failures, where Hitler promised not to attack Poland but did anyway, Britain had every right to assume Hitler was lying about everything when he was trying to allegedly make peace with Britain. You can't do business or have relationship with someone you can't trust, and Britain had no leverage to force him to keep any agreement. That's 100 percent on Hitler and the German government. Doesn't make Churchill a saint, but I wouldn't call him the villain either. Hitler had two goals. Eliminate European Jews. Conquer and colonize the east. If Poland had knuckled under and surrendered Danzig, Germany would have manufactured a reason to attack it anyways. Because they had already agreed on how they were going to split it up with the Soviets in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Moreover, Nazi ideology literally saw the dilution of "Aryan blood" as a crisis of national survival. They were no more going to allow Jews to live in Poland than they were Vichy France. Moreover, those Poles were taking up valuable living space that proper Aryans were meant to colonize, later. All this stuff is widely documented. Hitlers aims were no secret. The "warmonger Churchill" stuff is lame. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:52:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FivespeedF150: I don't agree with the stance. I'm no WWII historian, but I think "hitler is asshole" is a fine foundation for the european theater. I haven't listened to the whole interview yet, but will when I find time. Just commenting on the split between the "how dare he" and the "lol, pat buchanan said that years ago, catch up" crowds and how active they've been. I wonder if that one wasn't meant as "he's looking for literally hitler" (so, Trump) opposed to Hitler himself. Wonder if that tweet is still up. I don't think Daryl is a "Hitler went to heaven" guy (those absolutely do exist). Curious, these screenshots you're sharing, did you take them yourself when you saw them, or is there an account you're following telling you to be bigmad? Did you hear of the MartyrMade pod before all this? This is the correct take. Darrel has hours and hours of content showing that he doesn't hate Jews and thinks Nazis were bad guys. He makes his hey by pealing back the whitewash job on bad guys that were painted as good guys. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:52:23 PM EDT
[#45]
As usual, VDH (a REAL historian) explains it all:
Victor Davis Hanson: The Truth About World War II Germany and its fascist allies started the war. They felt empowered to do so not because of supposed Allied aggression, but because of Western appeasement and isolationism. By Victor Davis Hanson September 5, 2024 https://www.thefp.com/p/victor-davis-hanson-the-truth-about |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwnc: As usual, VDH (a REAL historian) explains it all: Victor Davis Hanson: The Truth About World War II Germany and its fascist allies started the war. They felt empowered to do so not because of supposed Allied aggression, but because of Western appeasement and isolationism. By Victor Davis Hanson September 5, 2024 https://www.thefp.com/p/victor-davis-hanson-the-truth-about The appeasement argument has been used to justify every military action since WW2. Whether correct or not, the powers that be have overplayed their hand. Now people are even attacking the original example due to how obviously wrong everyone has been since. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:58:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Cooper is a Hitler apologist.
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USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Hitler had two goals. Eliminate European Jews. Conquer and colonize the east. If Poland had knuckled under and surrendered Danzig, Germany would have manufactured a reason to attack it anyways. Because they had already agreed on how they were going to split it up with the Soviets in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Moreover, Nazi ideology literally saw the dilution of "Aryan blood" as a crisis of national survival. They were no more going to allow Jews to live in Poland than they were Vichy France. Moreover, those Poles were taking up valuable living space that proper Aryans were meant to colonize, later. All this stuff is widely documented. Hitlers aims were no secret. The "warmonger Churchill" stuff is lame. I see this in the same vein as defending the atom bomb attack on Japan. We could argue over it's necessity, evidence to support both sides, but at the end of the day I think we should agree that bombing civilians is wrong. Regardless of which type of bomb. Even if it was necessary, we should at least agree it was and evil act. Same vein with Churchill prolonging the war to get the US involved, and the ally bombing of Dresden. And just because Hitler killed millions in concentration camps doesn't mean that anything short of that is ok. It's ok to criticize the US internment camps for Japanese, as another example. It was evil to do, and wasn't ok just because we didn't take the steps of torture and murder that Germany did. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:10:48 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwnc: As usual, VDH (a REAL historian) explains it all: Victor Davis Hanson: The Truth About World War II Germany and its fascist allies started the war. They felt empowered to do so not because of supposed Allied aggression, but because of Western appeasement and isolationism. By Victor Davis Hanson September 5, 2024 https://www.thefp.com/p/victor-davis-hanson-the-truth-about Came to post this. I followed the nonsense for a little while on twitter. Whoever this Cooper's guy is, some stuff he said was pants on head retarded. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:10:49 PM EDT
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If nothing else this shows what you can and can't talk about. I'm a MartyrMade Substack subscriber and I listened to the entire interview with Tucker.
The absolute histrionics over this have been amusing. |
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