Originally Posted By waterglass:

Ohh yeah, there is some major mysteries about this stuff

Im sure if you had the people to direct and the tools you need you could make a better wall. you have the math and knowledge to do so. If I had the money to spend I'd get me a nice pillowed polygonal granite house made for me. It would be fucking awesome to have a house that could stand 10,000 years.

IMO you stone cutters should be put to work building houses using these old methods instead of cutting monuments and counter tops. You fellows could make houses that would outlast human civilization.

Besides maybe radioactive isotopes made by men, nothing has a better chance of outlasting us all.

Originally Posted By Loremsk:

Speaking of building stuff to last a long time...  Clock under construction in a mountain in Texas, design life: 10,000 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now

http://longnow.org/essays/millennium-clock/

Originally Posted By headstoner:
I'm sure tourism plays a huge roll, like someone else said. Im sure if they knew every detail of it they might not say due to the $$. Same as Roswell I suppose.

Originally Posted By headstoner:

Maybe. For all I know the regular guy was sick or subcontracted the job so he could go work on the other side of the mountain

It might be some sort of damage that occured on the far right outside of what we are seeing in the pic. Without pics from all angles or being there to walk around and see everything I'm just guessing.

Could be any number of things I suppose.

Originally Posted By headstoner:

I watched that one a few years ago, thats pretty cool. Large pilished granite "marbles" or spheres are fun to make, I wonder what the future will say about our junk.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/Belmar_granite_6_ft_1_2-815323.jpg

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/07a15762b0f263e96efea4cfefa09d8b_2-815324.jpg

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/Screenshot_2019-01-20-20-07-22_2-815326.png

Edit: I have never attempted to make any this size due to cost vs profit and cemetery regulations and rules.

Originally Posted By Jacko100:

The stone spheres of Costa Rica are a collection of some three hundred polished stone orbs, the first of which were discovered in the Diquis Delta of Costa Rica during the 1930s. The spheres range in size from a few centimeters to over two meters in diameter, and weigh up to 16 tons.

http://www.ticotimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/160401Finca6Featured.jpg

Originally Posted By Rossi:

Yep. I bet many people go there for the "mystery".

Yes.  We are speculating what ifs here.  The guy who knew how to do it might have been fired to save money for the shareholders, for all I know.  Then we see what happened when they decided to save costs hiring cheap labor.

And History keeps repeating itself.

Originally Posted By waterglass:
Well what we need is pictures and video of walls that are partially deconstructed. Then there is the fact that there seems to be different styles. Some are face fitted and backfilled and some are completely fitted. my hughesnet internet service gig allotment is used up for the month so I will have to wait until later tonight to start looking for videos.

Originally Posted By Rossi:

We are talking about many tons of rock.  A small imperfection on the ground can already be a headache when pushing a shopping cart.  Imagine a multi-ton boulder.

I don't think things changed much over there.  The whole thing is set on top of granite mountains.  Unless a massive earthquake collapsed the mountain but the wall's condition does not indicate that.

One of the movies I posted shows part of a structure that appears to be damaged by an earthquake.  However, the guy is suspicious because no other structure around shows any signs of damage.  Nonetheless, the boulders are a bit separated from each other like if that structure was shaken and part of it damaged.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/IncaWalls07_JPG-814931.JPG

So, it's not much like in Egypt or other locations where sand or a sedimentary terrain can shift a lot and change considerably over a few thousand years. Macho Pichu was covered in foliage but when cleaned up was "like new".

Nevertheless, it's really intriguing that they suddenly became careless about the stone fitting, mostly with the smaller ones, easier to move around and shape to fit?
Would you say that it was the same people who built this wall?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/IncaWalls05_JPG-814935.JPG

This one, besides the different fitting even has different color and texture.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/IncaWalls06_JPG-814937.JPG

So, it's not much about the "could have been done?".  It's more about "were really the same people who did it?"

Originally Posted By brass:

That's not it, it's how that level was achieved, then apparently lost for a thousand or two years before it was figured out again.  Information and practices generally don't vanish that quickly and completely, well, unless Islam comes in and destroys all monuments and knowledge, but this is pre-Islam.

Originally Posted By waterglass:
Here is a video of the ruins of Puma Punku and Tiwanaku. Last video of the night. The stones still in place at Puma Punu were fully fitted. Let me know if anyone wants to see more of this stuff and I'll see what I can do. headstoner You should be able to see a lot of the nitty gritty of what they could do in this vid beyond wall making long before (800 years at the least possibly thousands) the Inca. In The Tiwanaku portion that focuses on the haphazard attempted modern reconstruction you can see the stones were once fully fitted. Both sites were heavily plundered to make underfill for a nearby railroad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGTcbL7OEM

Originally Posted By waterglass:

If you find that entertaining check out Dr. DMT.

I'd say different tools were used, probably what he meant.

Yeah, it pretty much all sticks out to me. it screams high level mathematics and tools and tech that they should not have.

Originally Posted By waterglass:

yup I agree, I was thinking jigs too. Had to be. lots and lots of jigs.

Originally Posted By waterglass:
Okay lets look at Tambomachay. It seems to be completely fitted as we see in the video posted above by Rossi. You clearly see an encroachment of sediment and past damage that has been repaired as well as two very distinct types of stone work. Also parts of the superior work has been melted. Here is a good short video on the site. I do not vouch for any theory in the video besides the fact that the superior work is most likely significantly older than the renovations. I figure the water works and older work were found and attempts were made to renovate the site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wc_geacOpE

More pictures of the melted stone. Do not vouch for the commentary. Search Tambomachay melted stone on youtube, this is the only video. Seems odd the only channels focusing on this are coming from an odd disposition. youtube is actually cracking down on the channels that make this stuff available. IMO that is bullshit, at least they are creating content that exposes people to this stuff. it also doesn't help to dispel the idea that the mainstream is covering up what they can not explain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHICpe2gaPU

Originally Posted By Rossi:

That molten stone is intriguing.  I was trying to figure out whether those "puddles" were already there and the walls built around them or they are made by part of the walls molten by some technology.

That reminded me of a Physics professor who was almost obsessed by this stuff and aliens.  Any time we wanted a break from the heavy stuff, one of is would bring some of these topics and his class would turn into a mix of geology, archaeology, extraterrestrial stuff and whatnot.

Anyway... I recall him mentioning some crazy theories about interplanetary wars and how one of the warring people established a base in a planet that now is the asteroid belt.  The ones that escaped that attack took refuge on earth but were found and chased almost to extinction.  I remember him mentioning some places where there's evidence of "high energy weapons" use that melted stone.   One is that in the Middle East that the movie shows.

Another that comes to mind is a place in Brazil called Seven Cities ( link ).  The stonework there also resembles the ones in Peru.  This professor said he was there and there are many sites where the stone was clearly melted, not sculpted.   That apart, in Seven Cities those sculpted stones were used even to build the buildings' roofs and not only the walls.

Anyway... just found this interesting.  It's also interesting that it does not appear to attract any attention and attempt of figure out what happened there, since that site does not indicate a volcano eruption, even though there are many along the Andean mountain range.

Another thing that comes to mind is, if the asteroid belt was indeed a planet and destroyed, would its destruction cause orbit shifts, hence major geological and environmental changes in the other Solar System's planets?  Could that have caused some of the big environmental changes on Earth and some of those civilizations being wiped out (collateral damage in that war)?   Those cataclysms would not have eliminated the whole human race, but would explain some holes in our History.  I know this gets weird, but if we start adding weird to weird...

Originally Posted By waterglass:

You want your mind blown, check out Kuelap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1rte2FnK04

Originally Posted By 2minkey:

No. This revisionist crap is ridiculous. The structures are dated. There is some stuff there which is pre-Inca in the deeper layers (as discovered in the 80s). The main part of the structure was clearly built during the Inca empire.

Caral (also referred to as Caral-Supe) is a stunning ancient city located in the Supe Valley of Peru. Today travelers can visit the Caral Ruins, which are believed to be the remains of one of the oldest cities in the Americas. Rewind time and the city of Caral was once a thriving metropolis for its local residents around the same time that the Egyptian pyramids were being built! Interestingly, Caral remains relatively unknown on an international level.

The Caral Ruins are located about 200 km (125 miles) north of Lima in Peru.

Paul Kosok, an American history and government professor, was one of the first to study Caral in 1948. At the time, his findings were largely ignored due to the fact that he didn’t find any typical and sought after Andean artifacts on site. Peruvian anthropologist and archaeologist, Ruth Shady, later took over the exploration of this desert city of pyramids.

The evidence collected suggests that Caral was inhabited some 5,000 years ago, between 2600 and 2000 BCE (Before the Common Era, or Before Christ). For comparative purposes, the Great Pyramid of Khufu in Egypt was built around 2600 BCE.

(more details in the link)

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The stones pictured above provoke much debate. Explanations on how they were produced vary from the use of advanced machines, simple metal or stone tools, molded stonework, concentrated sunlight and fire methods. Whilst the analysis above says little about the way the shapes were made, it does eliminate some ideas on the means of producing these exquisite finishes.

The finish on the stone sample was not the thickest, shiniest or the glassiest of the examples. However, its composition and morphology are the same as a ceramic glaze. This means that heat was somehow applied to the stone. How the heat was applied is not clear. What is clear is that an unknown technology has been used. To create ceramics on this scale, the heat production must have been greater than the normal ceramic methods.

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The most referenced work on the stonework of Peru was produced by Protzen. His work deals primarily with the carving of the stones with primitive tools. However, Protzen has looked at these effects and has suggested it could be achieved with polishing. To date, only Andesite has been attempted with very limited success. After the analysis of the surface layer above, it is clear that polishing alone will not produce the requisite heat needed to produce a ceramic glaze. This eliminates polishing as a means of creation.

The scale and form of the phenomena also precludes carving and polishing. It would take truly incredible amounts of time to produce a single vestige, let alone the thousands that dot the landscape.

Peruvian Alfredo Gamarra has identified vitrification on many stones and has argued that the ancients had a technology to treat stone with heat and that the stone was soft at the moment of construction. The comparison at the spectrum level with clay and ceramic pastes is interesting. Ceramic pastes and clay are soft prior to being treated with heat.

Conventional geological understanding is not compatible with this idea. However, the impression from the vitrified stonework is that the stone was once soft. In many of the stones, there are places where it looks as if objects or molds were pressed into the stone. The perfect fitting stones in the walls of Cusco and the other Inca vestiges could have been obtained more easily this way.

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Originally Posted By Rossi:

Yes.  But if that was some volcanic eruption, wouldn't the puddles be a lot larger, or at least show are many other places?  Those seem localized.

Originally Posted By brass:

Maybe there was an easily accessible type of mineral that burned hotter than we find today, such as we use oil and gas.  All of it has been depleted, leaving sulphur remnants in some areas, and no signs in others, maybe because it wasn't looked for?    That would have allowed them to make fires hot enough to make some metal tools from ore, even melt some types of rock, or do ceramics.    When it was exhausted, they had to go back to the old and slow way of smashing, cutting, and fitting rocks.  All they were left with is the very inferior types of coal with which we use to make power, metals, and plant food.

Is that an angle anybody considered before jumping to aliens with energy weapons?

Originally Posted By 2minkey:

Oh, yeah, the Spanish did not see them do it. It must have been someone else.

Originally Posted By headstoner:

Natural gas pockets, some vines rocks and bamboo to make a super torch? Who knows?

Originally Posted By brass:
I shall flesh out this theory, call it "The Super Coal Phenomenon", cherry pick sites and photos to match, and sell tens of millions of books (very easy once I get the school system to adopt it).  Thanks!

Originally Posted By brass:

Maybe there was an easily accessible type of mineral that burned hotter than we find today, such as we use oil and gas.  All of it has been depleted, leaving sulphur remnants in some areas, and no signs in others, maybe because it wasn't looked for?    That would have allowed them to make fires hot enough to make some metal tools from ore, even melt some types of rock, or do ceramics.    When it was exhausted, they had to go back to the old and slow way of smashing, cutting, and fitting rocks.  All they were left with is the very inferior types of coal with which we use to make power, metals, and plant food.

Is that an angle anybody considered before jumping to aliens with energy weapons?

Originally Posted By brass:

I shall flesh out this theory, call it "The Super Coal Phenomenon", cherry pick sites and photos to match, and sell tens of millions of books (very easy once I get the school system to adopt it).  Thanks!

Originally Posted By Rossi:

From that paper I posted.

Just for the sake of brainstorming.  
1) if that paper is right and whoever carved those stones indeed used lots of heat - the paper's testing and reasoning seem quite correct

2) then it means that whoever carved those stones could generate lots of heat - the paper talks about a cave or big kiln.

3) the lava oozing in a few spots is possible, but there would be more than that, of course, the excess could have been removed

4) or, whatever heat generation process they used might be subject to accidents, and that might be a big oopsie?

Anyway... the paper's author seems quite certain about his tests and conclusions, and his methodology looks sound.  However, he also admits that he would need to make collect more samples from other locations and conduct more tests.  So, his conclusions are for a specific area.  Not the whole region.   So, despite a good source, it's one more.

One day we will find out.  Just need to keep our minds open.

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons.