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Link Posted: 2/2/2019 8:46:58 AM EDT
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Spaking of Anatolia and prehistoric ruins the wall of Ruad, A Sea wall, said to have been built by the Phoenicians over a thousand years before they developed a written language, strikes me as being built by the same people who built the foundations of Baalbek, in Lebanon. Lebanon is where the Phoenicians seem to have come from.

First minute of this video gives you a sense of scale and erosion, maybe some signs of the same cutting technique. Do not vouch for his theories.


good video on the Phoenicians
Who are the Phoenicians people?


wiki on the island
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arwad

wiki on the Phoenicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia
Link Posted: 2/2/2019 3:41:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/3/2019 5:04:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
Spaking of Anatolia and prehistoric ruins the wall of Ruad, A Sea wall, said to have been built by the Phoenicians over a thousand years before they developed a written language, strikes me as being built by the same people who built the foundations of Baalbek, in Lebanon. Lebanon is where the Phoenicians seem to have come from.

First minute of this video gives you a sense of scale and erosion, maybe some signs of the same cutting technique. Do not vouch for his theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUmMCOd74w

good video on the Phoenicians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnxptwZSEVA

wiki on the island
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arwad

wiki on the Phoenicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia
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The Phoenicians were indeed a superpower at their time.  Some even speculat3e that they might have come the Americas way before the Europeans.

Theory of Phoenician discovery of the Americas

THE PHOENICIANS AND THE ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS OF AMERICA

Considering the Atlantic ocean's streams, they might have made it even if by accident.  Not sure whether they made it back.

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Link Posted: 2/3/2019 5:26:11 PM EDT
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I dunno about the whole sunburst thing. I say that in light of this video which shows melting and heat used to fit and finish stonework in Cusco. I do not vouch for any thing this guy says other than 1)heat was used to finish and fit the stones 2)They are much older (not suggesting 12,000 years older, but much older than 600 years) than the Incan empire because you can see where the inca rebuilt them and reused the stone in inferior mortared walls.

This guy does the best videos in Peru. If anyone has better video please share them, I love seeing the ancient stonework, not just Peruvian but everywhere.

@Alacrity

Do you think they might have used some type of mixture of volcanic sulfur and other chemicals?

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Whoever built those walls clearly could manipulate and carve very large stones quite easily.  That is clearly demonstrated by the casual way they seat them on top of each other and do not follow any kind of regular pattern.  Almost like "just cut and lay the first layer and then we then figure out how the next layer on top of it".

The cuts could nto be more casual than this.  The fitting on the left has an indentation and the one on the right a very small one.  Like someone said "oops... the boulders did not match well" and then "no problems, just match them on the next layer".
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Same on this.  A straight angle fitting immediately followed by a curved fitting.  Hard to be more casual than this and less planning on the cuts.
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Whoever did this could manipulate granite like butter with a hot knife.
Link Posted: 2/3/2019 5:31:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:
That's where a 'glitch' is.  The rocks were shaped far more accurately, that is clear.

If they were melted into place, our made from a slurry like concrete or any method like that, the chunks would be much larger or not have seams at all.  If they could selectively melt rock in place, the seams would be fused.

The absolute conformity of the rocks in these structures around the world is the puzzler, uniform color and texture relative to other walls made from rock in the area.  No cracks in the placed rock, chosen and fit very carefully.

Those flat gaps are flat and matched (doubly hard), where the surfaces meet to within paper thickness (~1/128") along the length on all sides.  Similar work seen at several sites around the world.   With Wood, 1/16" is good for framing work, unless fine woodwork creation, then 32nds.   If they had "Far Advanced technology", why didn't they make the facing of the rock all match?  If they had the ability to fit them, you'd think they'd have made faces flat (Egypt did in areas), angled, or some other ornamentation.   That seems odd. Has a broken wall been examined to see if they have interlocking "tabs" on the rocks, like a rabbit joint so no mortar is needed?  Did they resort to making as flat as possible because they couldn't produce a "stone glue"?

In short, I don't know what means or methods they used to do it, but the methods weren't any more advanced than we currently have for making walls from natural stone, with lots of petience even with diamond blades on power saws, forklifts, etc.

Have any tests been attempted to shape or mould granite in a kiln by somebody interested in these things?   Have any samples of that fitted rock been properly analyzed for content, inclusions, grain, and the other details that define rock, or is all identification made by what's seen on the surfaces?

That said, there could have been a lot more population that we are told existed pre-historic, worshiping stone, with agriculture developed to the point many full time masons could work on those walls and buildings for generations.   That does create the need to have that many people free.  Hunting/Gathering didn't allow for much free time, and cultivated farming along with supporting infrastructure is something we're told didn't exist.   I don't know how it's known it didn't exist, "They were all barbarian tribes', etc. etc.

These Ancient Technology/Alien guys haven't done those tests, and seem to not want to, or even to try to re-create using modern tools, a sample wall that matches.   I know a guy did a stone henge type pi of 3 rocks with one horizontal on top thing in his backyard with wood, levers, pulleys and rope.  There was a documentary on it on YouTube somewhere.

We don't know everything about Earth, especially the oceans, and our own history, it all goes fuzzy once you get to the "Dark Ages", and then it's highly selective due to languages and choice of what to preserve / reprint /study.

I'd like to know more, but it's to the point where if an academic paper even looks at "Ancient stonework", they're laughed at because of all these theories pushed.  How do we know the bones they're attributing to dinosaurs weren't actually their tamed dragon stonemasons?
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
I dunno about the whole sunburst thing. I say that in light of this video which shows melting and heat used to fit and finish stonework in Cusco. I do not vouch for any thing this guy says other than 1)heat was used to finish and fit the stones 2)They are much older (not suggesting 12,000 years older, but much older than 600 years) than the Incan empire because you can see where the inca rebuilt them and reused the stone in inferior mortared walls.

This guy does the best videos in Peru. If anyone has better video please share them, I love seeing the ancient stonework, not just Peruvian but everywhere.

@Alacrity

Do you think they might have used some type of mixture of volcanic sulfur and other chemicals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOx-6qOKxkg
That's where a 'glitch' is.  The rocks were shaped far more accurately, that is clear.

If they were melted into place, our made from a slurry like concrete or any method like that, the chunks would be much larger or not have seams at all.  If they could selectively melt rock in place, the seams would be fused.

The absolute conformity of the rocks in these structures around the world is the puzzler, uniform color and texture relative to other walls made from rock in the area.  No cracks in the placed rock, chosen and fit very carefully.

Those flat gaps are flat and matched (doubly hard), where the surfaces meet to within paper thickness (~1/128") along the length on all sides.  Similar work seen at several sites around the world.   With Wood, 1/16" is good for framing work, unless fine woodwork creation, then 32nds.   If they had "Far Advanced technology", why didn't they make the facing of the rock all match?  If they had the ability to fit them, you'd think they'd have made faces flat (Egypt did in areas), angled, or some other ornamentation.   That seems odd. Has a broken wall been examined to see if they have interlocking "tabs" on the rocks, like a rabbit joint so no mortar is needed?  Did they resort to making as flat as possible because they couldn't produce a "stone glue"?

In short, I don't know what means or methods they used to do it, but the methods weren't any more advanced than we currently have for making walls from natural stone, with lots of petience even with diamond blades on power saws, forklifts, etc.

Have any tests been attempted to shape or mould granite in a kiln by somebody interested in these things?   Have any samples of that fitted rock been properly analyzed for content, inclusions, grain, and the other details that define rock, or is all identification made by what's seen on the surfaces?

That said, there could have been a lot more population that we are told existed pre-historic, worshiping stone, with agriculture developed to the point many full time masons could work on those walls and buildings for generations.   That does create the need to have that many people free.  Hunting/Gathering didn't allow for much free time, and cultivated farming along with supporting infrastructure is something we're told didn't exist.   I don't know how it's known it didn't exist, "They were all barbarian tribes', etc. etc.

These Ancient Technology/Alien guys haven't done those tests, and seem to not want to, or even to try to re-create using modern tools, a sample wall that matches.   I know a guy did a stone henge type pi of 3 rocks with one horizontal on top thing in his backyard with wood, levers, pulleys and rope.  There was a documentary on it on YouTube somewhere.

We don't know everything about Earth, especially the oceans, and our own history, it all goes fuzzy once you get to the "Dark Ages", and then it's highly selective due to languages and choice of what to preserve / reprint /study.

I'd like to know more, but it's to the point where if an academic paper even looks at "Ancient stonework", they're laughed at because of all these theories pushed.  How do we know the bones they're attributing to dinosaurs weren't actually their tamed dragon stonemasons?
The big thing is that we presently tend to cut the stones in a regular pattern using the saws and technology we have.  Whoever built those walls (the megalithic ones) did not seem to follow any cutting and fitting plan and just cut and fitted them as they came.  If the cutting was done at the quarries they would have shown some kind of plan or pattern since it would be easier to assemble the boulders.  That fitting as done at the walls and it did not seem they were worried at all by the complete lack of a pattern.  They simply piled the boulders up as they came and did some minor adjusting as they laid them on the walls.
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Interesting video shows "saw marks" in stone as well as bore holes (starting at 10:55 in the video) seemingly made by a modern type of concrete bore hole bit similar to this one https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61cWe%2BF73cL._SX425_.jpg.

At the 6:10 minute mark in the video, they show in the Cairo Museum, some interesting "gear" looking devices suggesting that maybe they had some type of machine for what ever purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0FJoSUK90
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Fascinating.  They definitely had a lot more technology at their disposal than the current archaeologists give them credit for.
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Never underestimate the tenacity of folks without the distraction of internet pornography.
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Link Posted: 2/3/2019 5:48:53 PM EDT
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This engineer ties in lost civilizations, Ice Ages, pole shifts and the uses and ages of megalithic structures into one nifty theory of multiple poles. He asked himself the simple question: Why is there an ice sheet on Greenland, yet no other land masses in the arctic circle at that latitude do? Answer: Greenland was the north pole long ago. In fact, there were 5 north poles during man's megolithic building eras.
Interesting theory based upon mathematics.

Lost Civilizations: Greenland, the Geo Pole, and Ice Ages (Part I)
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I would like to see the structures' construction timelines and whether they match the poles they point to and if that coincides.
Link Posted: 2/3/2019 6:14:35 PM EDT
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Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.



Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
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Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEZkVGkkjI

Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
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I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
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I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
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I've come to a similar conclusion.
Link Posted: 2/3/2019 11:35:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEZkVGkkjI

Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
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coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
Link Posted: 2/3/2019 11:39:34 PM EDT
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I've come to a similar conclusion.
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Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER:

I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
I've come to a similar conclusion.
That might be true but a lack of a suture isn't proof that an elongated skull is genetic. Fewer teeth and the placement of the foramen magnum of the paracas skulls might be genetic.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:19:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:

The first 15 minutes summarizes my outlook very well, in a succinct way.  Don't think learning is something to only do while at a school.   Live and learn is a state of mind many people follow, always learning new info, connecting dots, or storing it for later.   Everybody is capable of that, but they don't apply it, since TV/Movies/etc are more interesting.   I'm continually entertained by my own thoughts, or solving a problem.  There are many I've thought about as plausible, a few are pretty glaring truths when seen, but can't be understooed without walking down a similar path. I'm walking on a parallel or even the the same path as that author is.

I don't agree with some of his conclusions only because I've never looked into that particular aspect details, I'm more technology related about cool things that existed, spoke about in histories, then 'lost' for hundreds of years before re-appearing as 'new'.    Since I haven't really heard of his exact theory in the video, I can't comment on if it's correct, but I don't see any glaring logic flaws or leaps of judgement.

When you never stop learning, people start to label you "paranoid" or a geek for staying busy learning instead of other leisure activities.    It's been made a social crime to not go to parties, watch TV, movies, etc.    Reason I say that is I have NO clue what movie was shown in the middle.   I've gone to 3 movies in a theater since y2k, and not many in the past decade are even good, simple and direct plots, everything is comedy, so I suppose I like Idiocracy, which seems more like a laid out plan for the future instead of a comedy.   I think that's the most recent movie I thought was good, but for different reasons than other people think its a good movie.  There's that whole paranoid freak geek coming through again.
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Very well put.  I think in a very similar way and take every opportunity to learn something new.

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I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
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Indeed.  Many legends ended-up demonstrating that they were based on some actual events.

In this case, clearly where's there's smoke, there's fire.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:24:16 AM EDT
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coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEZkVGkkjI

Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
I did not understand he said they "ran the world".  He was only saying that the DNA samples and tests showed that there's a completely different species present.

Nevertheless, it's interesting that there isn't more evidence about them.

Maybe whoever fought them wanted their traces wiped out?  Not uncommon even in more recent History.
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I've come to a similar conclusion.
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Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER:

I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
I've come to a similar conclusion.
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Originally Posted By Loremsk:
Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER:

I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
I've come to a similar conclusion.
Is that supposed to be a personal insult?
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Is that supposed to be a personal insult?
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Originally Posted By Loremsk:
Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER:

I'm of the belief that the man made elongated skulls found throughout the world and still practiced in Africa were an attempt to recreate or at least mimic a legendary extinct species of man who had natural coneheads and higher status/intelligence. Oral folklore can get passed down for thousands of years.
I've come to a similar conclusion.
Is that supposed to be a personal insult?
The idea is interesting
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Not trying to be an asshole last night, I had a long post typed up to reply to that video and friggen deleted it by accident, and then I was rushed by events to make my comment brief.

The fellow used a lack of a sagittal suture and some nerve ducts on the back of the skull to prove they were a separate species of human.

All that a lack of a sagittal Suture on a skull means is that the person the skull belong to was old. The average human skull doesn't completely fuse until around 30, but the process doesn't stop there, eventually the sagittal suture closes completely and is overgrown by flat bone mass after age 60. This process is called Suture obliteration, and it is a commonly used way to age a skeleton.

The nerve ducts on the back of the skull is also common in humans. ETA Observation Deck doesn't mention the ducts as proof of biological coneheads, but forester does. He says only the paracas  skulls have them, but that is not true.

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Granted the most elegant solution for more brain mass without needing women to evolve to be larger than males is an elongated skull. Skull circumference size at birth is dictated by birth tract size. There is two ways for bigger brains, bigger women with bigger birth canals to allow skulls with a larger circumference or a skull shape that will accommodate more brain matter and still fits through a standard sized females vagina. A "conehead" shaped skull would require the least physiological change.

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I find Foerster's work very interesting, and I am looking forward to the crowdfunded DNA results that will come out in the next month or so. But he complained himself about having to work for a " large benefactor" to produce the result that pointed to european origins. He also consistently makes false statements that disregard basic information about suture obliteration and the nerve holes.

for these reasons I am not sure about the DNA results his work has produced
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The inca bones, the placement of the spine, the fewer teeth, those are legit strange. Keep in mind no one has ever compared Paracas Skulls to ones found in Crimea or Egypt. As far as I know, there isn't even pictures of them to compare. King Tuts head is weird looking though, but it still has skin on it.

the fact that the coronal sutures seem to always be on the bone ridge above what I assume was their foreheads and the sagittal seems to be completely obliterated is very strange.
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The Guy in this video, if you can stand to listen to him, covers some of the problems with Foerster. He has links below the video if you go to youtube. It doesn't explain some of the weird aspects of the paracas skulls, but it does prove that Foerster is no expert on human phrenology. Or is intentionally misleading.

Science VS the Aliens of Peru! Episode 4: Skull sutures and parietal foramen
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The long narrow faces, large eyes, thin long necks, strange neck to head angles and elongated heads found in Egyptian art does suggest elongated skulls. but one has to keep in mind that early Egyptian kings wore beehive crowns. They wore beehive crowns because honey was a sacred substance and the king was considered the head bee keeper. If the statues with elongated heads were once adorned with cloth hats in the shape of a beehive the obvious reason the head of the statue was elongated was to act as support for the hat.

I believe it is said that King tuts head was genetic. So that does suggest elongated skulls were a natural thing among the kings of Egypt. They also married brother to sister and father to daughter, which causes all kinds of defects. I do not think head binding was a thing the Egyptians did.
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I have a theory for head binding, it is a hold over from when people were nomads. They would literally tie kids into bundles and secure their heads with wood to keep them from hurting themselves, or being hurt by being carried. The neck had to be immobilized and to do that the head had to be held rigid in a frame. This caused skulls to be shaped by the bindings, over time they adopted a shape that would be uniform in order to mark themselves as belonging to a tribe. This was held over when nomads settled.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
I did not understand he said they "ran the world".  He was only saying that the DNA samples and tests showed that there's a completely different species present.

Nevertheless, it's interesting that there isn't more evidence about them.

Maybe whoever fought them wanted their traces wiped out?  Not uncommon even in more recent History.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEZkVGkkjI

Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
I did not understand he said they "ran the world".  He was only saying that the DNA samples and tests showed that there's a completely different species present.

Nevertheless, it's interesting that there isn't more evidence about them.

Maybe whoever fought them wanted their traces wiped out?  Not uncommon even in more recent History.
didn't mean to get snarky on you.

the guy in the vid built up his credibility by debunking the Russian vid, then used Brian Foerster pointing out some oddities of the Paracas Skulls, and the DNA evidence he got from them to credit the implied existence of elongated skulls in Crimea and Egypt pointed to a place called Tartaria and proof of a race of beings with biologically elongated heads with superior intellect from that region.

Then the guy in the video showed some old paintings of French noble women with elongated skulls to prove tartarians existed into modern times. Then he quoted some banker as proof that the tartarians are running the world today from the shadows.

The huns, a nomadic horse people, had elongated heads due to head binding but he doesn't mention that, and that is important.

French Noble women had elongated skulls because the Hun did and the hun did because they practiced head binding. When the hun took over the region they became the new aristocracy, and it was considered a sign of high birth to bind womens heads as proof of their direct lineage from the hun to suitors.

Now I have never seen any elongated hun skulls, or any from the French. So they could be biological. but until I do see some, and they look like the ones found in paracas I figure it is unlikely.

Considering how little is known of the Hunnic folks, who can say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

there is also no pictures of elongated Egyptian or Crimean skulls to compare.

My theory on nomads and headbinding can be seen above.

Sorry for breaking the posts up, reduces the risk of my dumb ass deleting one long one.

This is the guy who funded the DNA testing Brian Foerster took part in, and to be fair to Foerster, the History channel did its own testing using a different lab from the ones he did and got the same result. It was for the ancient aliens show however, and I see no reason to trust anything related to that show, or the people who profit from it. Non the less here it is.



the ancient aliens bit jibes the paracas skulls with the igenea stuff from the discovery channel clip below.
Ancient Aliens: Elongated Skull's Origins (Season 12, Episode 6) | History
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Here you can see an unknown Egyptian nobles skull from around the time of King Tut, they say it is tuts dad, but they were all kinds of inbred so who knows. The film crew does seem to make an effort to hide it, but you can see the skull is deformed, and the Coronal suture is on top of weird shelf sort of like the paracas skulls.

I spent a long time looking for Egyptian king and noble skulls, this is all I could find.

King Tut Unwrapped: Pharaoh Forensics


Linkd below are the y dna results that came as a result of the same show according to these people trying to sell their DNA testing wares. So far as I know no complete spec of Tuts Y information has ever formally been published besides the Discovery channel clip use by igenea, which no longer seems to exist.

both the igenea and official reactions to it seem to be horseshit. But considering the Egyptians were clearly Caucasian according to their art, and DNA, it is possible, I guess.

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/06/king-tuts-dna-is-western-european/

https://www.igenea.com/en/tutankhamun

wiki on the race of ancient Egypt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy
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Originally Posted By brass:
The theory of their exact job/purpose/intelligence may not be correct, that's spitballing.  Everything up to the rulers/etc is good information, especially looking at all of the evidence.

Many jump to a theory and try to fine only proof that supports their theory, including "real" archeologists.   View all the info gathered that is public info, from many sources (Public ≠ "easily found") .  Ignore the theory or ideas of why.   Put the facts together from both debunking stories and the "new proof I was right", look at things which are factual and real info, look for fakes, as he did with the Peru underwater off coast of Russia.   That info usually has to be wrapped in a "bigger Theory" way to get people interested to watch it, ignore that part and lots can be learned.   His theory may not be exact, but the raw data such as DNA testing, Russia faking Peru, locations of stonework, looting, etc.  all fit in with the other information we've talked about in this thread.

IOW, Don't pick out one part you don't believe in or don't like to debunk ALL of it.   If I state something incorrectly, it may be I didn't have enough info to make the right guess at the time.   That doesn't make everything I've said in my entire life untrue.   Keep mind open to new ideas, try to disprove ALL aspects before saying it's ALL junk.   The videos tell us far more factual information/photos than we ever hear from "Real Archeologists".  Why would that be?   Why is it if a person doesn't agree with "real archeologists" on something, they're 'blacklisted' from that entire group?   If things are facts, why are they documented, but never mentioned?  Add peices together and see what makes any sense at all.

Finally, why do you state they are "Nomadic"?    Nomadic tribes don't typically build towns and monuments to whichever God they believe in.
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Originally Posted By waterglass:

didn't mean to get snarky on you.

the guy in the vid built up his credibility by debunking the Russian vid, then used Brian Foerster pointing out some oddities of the Paracas Skulls, and the DNA evidence he got from them to credit the implied existence of elongated skulls in Crimea and Egypt pointed to a place called Tartaria and proof of a race of beings with biologically elongated heads with superior intellect from that region.

Then the guy in the video showed some old paintings of French noble women with elongated skulls to prove tartarians existed into modern times. Then he quoted some banker as proof that the tartarians are running the world today from the shadows.

The huns, a nomadic horse people, had elongated heads due to head binding but he doesn't mention that, and that is important.

French Noble women had elongated skulls because the Hun did and the hun did because they practiced head binding. When the hun took over the region they became the new aristocracy, and it was considered a sign of high birth to bind womens heads as proof of their direct lineage from the hun to suitors.

Now I have never seen any elongated hun skulls, or any from the French. So they could be biological. but until I do see some, and they look like the ones found in paracas I figure it is unlikely.

Considering how little is known of the Hunnic folks, who can say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

there is also no pictures of elongated Egyptian or Crimean skulls to compare.

My theory on nomads and headbinding can be seen above.

Sorry for breaking the posts up, reduces the risk of my dumb ass deleting one long one.

This is the guy who funded the DNA testing Brian Foerster took part in, and to be fair to Foerster, the History channel did its own testing using a different lab from the ones he did and got the same result. It was for the ancient aliens show however, and I see no reason to trust anything related to that show, or the people who profit from it. Non the less here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgnGr-H8PA0

the ancient aliens bit jibes the paracas skulls with the igenea stuff from the discovery channel clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOxC1GtV5A
The theory of their exact job/purpose/intelligence may not be correct, that's spitballing.  Everything up to the rulers/etc is good information, especially looking at all of the evidence.

Many jump to a theory and try to fine only proof that supports their theory, including "real" archeologists.   View all the info gathered that is public info, from many sources (Public ≠ "easily found") .  Ignore the theory or ideas of why.   Put the facts together from both debunking stories and the "new proof I was right", look at things which are factual and real info, look for fakes, as he did with the Peru underwater off coast of Russia.   That info usually has to be wrapped in a "bigger Theory" way to get people interested to watch it, ignore that part and lots can be learned.   His theory may not be exact, but the raw data such as DNA testing, Russia faking Peru, locations of stonework, looting, etc.  all fit in with the other information we've talked about in this thread.

IOW, Don't pick out one part you don't believe in or don't like to debunk ALL of it.   If I state something incorrectly, it may be I didn't have enough info to make the right guess at the time.   That doesn't make everything I've said in my entire life untrue.   Keep mind open to new ideas, try to disprove ALL aspects before saying it's ALL junk.   The videos tell us far more factual information/photos than we ever hear from "Real Archeologists".  Why would that be?   Why is it if a person doesn't agree with "real archeologists" on something, they're 'blacklisted' from that entire group?   If things are facts, why are they documented, but never mentioned?  Add peices together and see what makes any sense at all.

Finally, why do you state they are "Nomadic"?    Nomadic tribes don't typically build towns and monuments to whichever God they believe in.
Well it is assumed the hun were nomadic steppe people, but once you read into it no one seems to know much of anything about them. Not even what racial group they were. The same is true of Genghis Khan and the mongols. It makes no sense that an Army big enough to conquer china was indigenous to the high desert of mongolia.
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Archaeology isn't sexy.  Ask anyone with a masters or better in Egyptology what they think of Zahi Hawass.

Brass, get your ass on a plane and go to Egypt, not to prove or disprove or count coup in some bullshit internet thread.  Do it because it will blow your mind.  
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Archaeology isn't sexy.  Ask anyone with a masters or better in Egyptology what they think of Zahi Hawass.

Brass, get your ass on a plane and go to Egypt, not to prove or disprove or count coup in some bullshit internet thread.  Do it because it will blow your mind.  
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I am pretty sure Hawass means dickbutt in Arabic.
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Interesting set of videos

The Great Temple of Heliopolis & the Pyramids of Egypt | Ancient Architects
The Lost Ancient Egyptian Observatory of Letopolis | Ancient Architects
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Was it really technology or just that they had an infinite amount of time.
Figure no commute, no tv, no video games, no internet.  
Wake up, eat, shit, work on stone for 20 hours a day, sleep 4 hours.
Now, have 1,000 people and before you know it a lot can get done even by simply banging 2 rocks together.
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Egypt has been "tourism-ized"
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Sure it has, Egypt has been fleecing tourists for over a thousand years.  They're better at it there than anywhere else I've been, that alone is a curiosity worth seeing IMO.  It's all they have.  Go stand in the middle of Carnak and tell me it aint worth the trouble though.  
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Was it really technology or just that they had an infinite amount of time.
Figure no commute, no tv, no video games, no internet.  
Wake up, eat, shit, work on stone for 20 hours a day, sleep 4 hours.
Now, have 1,000 people and before you know it a lot can get done even by simply banging 2 rocks together.
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Never underestimate the tenacity of a culture lacking the distraction of internet pornography.
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Another interesting video from the same guy, this time about non meteoric Iron being found covering a vent that seems to have been put there by the builders of the great pyramid. Mainstream says the had copper.


Same fellow again, this time connecting sites to an ice age world spanning civilization. Very interesting.


Last video, same guy yet again, This time on a lost egyptian labyrinth built of granite. It was described by the Greeks as being more impressive than the Gaza pyramids.

Conspiracy: Silencing the Discovery of Egypt’s Lost Labyrinth | Ancient Architects
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Speaking of Caucasians in weird places, like Mongolia 3,000 years ago.

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Speaking of Caucasians in weird places, like Mongolia 3,000 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPlGdCwAk8
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I've nothing to support my belief/hypothesis that humans were far more diffuse and intermingled at the edges of "ranges", and that the edges of those "ranges" are probably further out and fuzzier then we have solid archaeological evidence for.

We, as well as our nearest genetic relatives, are some of the more resilient beings on this planet in regards to inhabiting various environments. Near as I can tell, wanderlust has always been a big thing as well. So, I'm not entirely shocked that there are discoveries of remains of one genetic variant outside of the traditional "ranges"
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Things like this are what is fascinating to me.  I don't bother with the theories packaged to sell it, just the raw info and I'll connect dots myself.   I like the videos that show actual things, from museum or an archaeological dig, or existing structures and estimated times.    The one with pole moving does jive and matches what's been found in mineral deposits, where magnetic fields arent the same between two areas, which isn't really explained.

This one about fast magnetic flux screwing up compasses A sort of conspiracy/odd stuff site.

Pole moving faster than ever before (in known history) - Phys.org Hard Science Physics Journal.

Just like the video about the elongated heads.  Teaching people to not learn what they weren't told to learn helps tell all the bits without telling them in a way where links can easily be drawn.   Physics sites, archeological sites, history of early America and many other nations, each has a bit in it.  The time is worth the bits of education you'll pick up, requiring learning a little bit of what's mentioned if you aren't familiar with it.

To easily learn, I'm going to scare you:  Go to Wikipedia, look up something you like or are interested in.  Click on all wiki pages reference in article, and open all the journals which are online and referenced.  Read the entire article and the cherry picking done by wiki editors is pretty obvious.   That's learning several things at once after some detours and learning a bit more about everything.   The more of "everything" you learn, the faster learning goes, but knowing "Everything" is impossible due to the fractured nature of various "Fields".   When there aren't fractures, the documents are hidden behind $5/page paywalls to see.  New releases are free, but some older ones require payment?   Especially detailed papers from the field of archeology, the only free data is what the NYT says is in it. These practices strike me odd.

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If you've noticed many typos lately, my keyboard is freaking out and putting random punctuation in, missing some letters/spaces, and generally annoying  I try to correct all I can but something always escapes me.  I don't normally look at screen or keyboard when typing, just a gestalt puke all over the post.
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
Speaking of Caucasians in weird places, like Mongolia 3,000 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPlGdCwAk8
Things like this are what is fascinating to me.  I don't bother with the theories packaged to sell it, just the raw info and I'll connect dots myself.   I like the videos that show actual things, from museum or an archaeological dig, or existing structures and estimated times.    The one with pole moving does jive and matches what's been found in mineral deposits, where magnetic fields arent the same between two areas, which isn't really explained.

This one about fast magnetic flux screwing up compasses A sort of conspiracy/odd stuff site.

Pole moving faster than ever before (in known history) - Phys.org Hard Science Physics Journal.

Just like the video about the elongated heads.  Teaching people to not learn what they weren't told to learn helps tell all the bits without telling them in a way where links can easily be drawn.   Physics sites, archeological sites, history of early America and many other nations, each has a bit in it.  The time is worth the bits of education you'll pick up, requiring learning a little bit of what's mentioned if you aren't familiar with it.

To easily learn, I'm going to scare you:  Go to Wikipedia, look up something you like or are interested in.  Click on all wiki pages reference in article, and open all the journals which are online and referenced.  Read the entire article and the cherry picking done by wiki editors is pretty obvious.   That's learning several things at once after some detours and learning a bit more about everything.   The more of "everything" you learn, the faster learning goes, but knowing "Everything" is impossible due to the fractured nature of various "Fields".   When there aren't fractures, the documents are hidden behind $5/page paywalls to see.  New releases are free, but some older ones require payment?   Especially detailed papers from the field of archeology, the only free data is what the NYT says is in it. These practices strike me odd.

Note:
If you've noticed many typos lately, my keyboard is freaking out and putting random punctuation in, missing some letters/spaces, and generally annoying  I try to correct all I can but something always escapes me.  I don't normally look at screen or keyboard when typing, just a gestalt puke all over the post.
"just a gestalt puke all over the post"

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Originally Posted By waterglass:
didn't mean to get snarky on you.

the guy in the vid built up his credibility by debunking the Russian vid, then used Brian Foerster pointing out some oddities of the Paracas Skulls, and the DNA evidence he got from them to credit the implied existence of elongated skulls in Crimea and Egypt pointed to a place called Tartaria and proof of a race of beings with biologically elongated heads with superior intellect from that region.

Then the guy in the video showed some old paintings of French noble women with elongated skulls to prove tartarians existed into modern times. Then he quoted some banker as proof that the tartarians are running the world today from the shadows.

The huns, a nomadic horse people, had elongated heads due to head binding but he doesn't mention that, and that is important.

French Noble women had elongated skulls because the Hun did and the hun did because they practiced head binding. When the hun took over the region they became the new aristocracy, and it was considered a sign of high birth to bind womens heads as proof of their direct lineage from the hun to suitors.

Now I have never seen any elongated hun skulls, or any from the French. So they could be biological. but until I do see some, and they look like the ones found in paracas I figure it is unlikely.

Considering how little is known of the Hunnic folks, who can say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

there is also no pictures of elongated Egyptian or Crimean skulls to compare.

My theory on nomads and headbinding can be seen above.

Sorry for breaking the posts up, reduces the risk of my dumb ass deleting one long one.

This is the guy who funded the DNA testing Brian Foerster took part in, and to be fair to Foerster, the History channel did its own testing using a different lab from the ones he did and got the same result. It was for the ancient aliens show however, and I see no reason to trust anything related to that show, or the people who profit from it. Non the less here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgnGr-H8PA0

the ancient aliens bit jibes the paracas skulls with the igenea stuff from the discovery channel clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOxC1GtV5A
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEZkVGkkjI

Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
I did not understand he said they "ran the world".  He was only saying that the DNA samples and tests showed that there's a completely different species present.

Nevertheless, it's interesting that there isn't more evidence about them.

Maybe whoever fought them wanted their traces wiped out?  Not uncommon even in more recent History.
didn't mean to get snarky on you.

the guy in the vid built up his credibility by debunking the Russian vid, then used Brian Foerster pointing out some oddities of the Paracas Skulls, and the DNA evidence he got from them to credit the implied existence of elongated skulls in Crimea and Egypt pointed to a place called Tartaria and proof of a race of beings with biologically elongated heads with superior intellect from that region.

Then the guy in the video showed some old paintings of French noble women with elongated skulls to prove tartarians existed into modern times. Then he quoted some banker as proof that the tartarians are running the world today from the shadows.

The huns, a nomadic horse people, had elongated heads due to head binding but he doesn't mention that, and that is important.

French Noble women had elongated skulls because the Hun did and the hun did because they practiced head binding. When the hun took over the region they became the new aristocracy, and it was considered a sign of high birth to bind womens heads as proof of their direct lineage from the hun to suitors.

Now I have never seen any elongated hun skulls, or any from the French. So they could be biological. but until I do see some, and they look like the ones found in paracas I figure it is unlikely.

Considering how little is known of the Hunnic folks, who can say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

there is also no pictures of elongated Egyptian or Crimean skulls to compare.

My theory on nomads and headbinding can be seen above.

Sorry for breaking the posts up, reduces the risk of my dumb ass deleting one long one.

This is the guy who funded the DNA testing Brian Foerster took part in, and to be fair to Foerster, the History channel did its own testing using a different lab from the ones he did and got the same result. It was for the ancient aliens show however, and I see no reason to trust anything related to that show, or the people who profit from it. Non the less here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgnGr-H8PA0

the ancient aliens bit jibes the paracas skulls with the igenea stuff from the discovery channel clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOxC1GtV5A
No worries.  The video's author walks an almost borderline paranoia about "compartmentalization" of information being intentional to "hide stuff".

I'll not argue that there can be cases of that.  We are currently witnessing the "global warming" > "climate change" > "whatever" debacle where people questioning some of the mainstream info are blatantly shut down and chastised.  That's not how (real) Science works.

However, a lot of the issues he describes are most likely due to egos, refusal to recognize mistakes, ignorance and arrogance (both walk together) and plain incompetence.  He sometimes seems to fall in that trap himself.

Anyway, the two main things I took from his video were:
1) Russian's deception - confirms we need to take the stuff we find or is presented to us with grains of salt.

2) The DNA tests clearly show that there were (are?) competing human species competing until very recently.

I filtered the rest since he himself presented it as speculation. There is no credible proof or evidence of that.  And there's where he went on a tangent (if not crossed) the paranoia / conspiracy theory part.  If those "elongated skull" people lived (apparently comfortably) among humans before, why suddenly bury themselves in Antarctica to "run the world"?

Regarding 2, we also know of a global cataclysm that bottlenecked the DNA by almost wiping the human species from Earth.  That has been demonstrated by combining geological and anthropological studies.  Any civilization living in the wrong place and wrong time when it happened could have been completely wiped out, maybe without traces that we could find so far.

There's where I agree with him that we must have an holistic approach when studying History.  I do not agree that it does not happen because of "intentional agendas to hide stuff".  It's just most scientists using a very myopic approach to their studies and views.

As he said himself "believe nothing, question everything".
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Originally Posted By brass:
The theory of their exact job/purpose/intelligence may not be correct, that's spitballing.  Everything up to the rulers/etc is good information, especially looking at all of the evidence.

Many jump to a theory and try to fine only proof that supports their theory, including "real" archeologists.   View all the info gathered that is public info, from many sources (Public ≠ "easily found") .  Ignore the theory or ideas of why.   Put the facts together from both debunking stories and the "new proof I was right", look at things which are factual and real info, look for fakes, as he did with the Peru underwater off coast of Russia.   That info usually has to be wrapped in a "bigger Theory" way to get people interested to watch it, ignore that part and lots can be learned.   His theory may not be exact, but the raw data such as DNA testing, Russia faking Peru, locations of stonework, looting, etc.  all fit in with the other information we've talked about in this thread.

IOW, Don't pick out one part you don't believe in or don't like to debunk ALL of it.   If I state something incorrectly, it may be I didn't have enough info to make the right guess at the time.   That doesn't make everything I've said in my entire life untrue.   Keep mind open to new ideas, try to disprove ALL aspects before saying it's ALL junk.   The videos tell us far more factual information/photos than we ever hear from "Real Archeologists".  Why would that be?   Why is it if a person doesn't agree with "real archeologists" on something, they're 'blacklisted' from that entire group?   If things are facts, why are they documented, but never mentioned?  Add peices together and see what makes any sense at all.

Finally, why do you state they are "Nomadic"?    Nomadic tribes don't typically build towns and monuments to whichever God they believe in.
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Originally Posted By waterglass:

didn't mean to get snarky on you.

the guy in the vid built up his credibility by debunking the Russian vid, then used Brian Foerster pointing out some oddities of the Paracas Skulls, and the DNA evidence he got from them to credit the implied existence of elongated skulls in Crimea and Egypt pointed to a place called Tartaria and proof of a race of beings with biologically elongated heads with superior intellect from that region.

Then the guy in the video showed some old paintings of French noble women with elongated skulls to prove tartarians existed into modern times. Then he quoted some banker as proof that the tartarians are running the world today from the shadows.

The huns, a nomadic horse people, had elongated heads due to head binding but he doesn't mention that, and that is important.

French Noble women had elongated skulls because the Hun did and the hun did because they practiced head binding. When the hun took over the region they became the new aristocracy, and it was considered a sign of high birth to bind womens heads as proof of their direct lineage from the hun to suitors.

Now I have never seen any elongated hun skulls, or any from the French. So they could be biological. but until I do see some, and they look like the ones found in paracas I figure it is unlikely.

Considering how little is known of the Hunnic folks, who can say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

there is also no pictures of elongated Egyptian or Crimean skulls to compare.

My theory on nomads and headbinding can be seen above.

Sorry for breaking the posts up, reduces the risk of my dumb ass deleting one long one.

This is the guy who funded the DNA testing Brian Foerster took part in, and to be fair to Foerster, the History channel did its own testing using a different lab from the ones he did and got the same result. It was for the ancient aliens show however, and I see no reason to trust anything related to that show, or the people who profit from it. Non the less here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgnGr-H8PA0

the ancient aliens bit jibes the paracas skulls with the igenea stuff from the discovery channel clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOxC1GtV5A
The theory of their exact job/purpose/intelligence may not be correct, that's spitballing.  Everything up to the rulers/etc is good information, especially looking at all of the evidence.

Many jump to a theory and try to fine only proof that supports their theory, including "real" archeologists.   View all the info gathered that is public info, from many sources (Public ≠ "easily found") .  Ignore the theory or ideas of why.   Put the facts together from both debunking stories and the "new proof I was right", look at things which are factual and real info, look for fakes, as he did with the Peru underwater off coast of Russia.   That info usually has to be wrapped in a "bigger Theory" way to get people interested to watch it, ignore that part and lots can be learned.   His theory may not be exact, but the raw data such as DNA testing, Russia faking Peru, locations of stonework, looting, etc.  all fit in with the other information we've talked about in this thread.

IOW, Don't pick out one part you don't believe in or don't like to debunk ALL of it.   If I state something incorrectly, it may be I didn't have enough info to make the right guess at the time.   That doesn't make everything I've said in my entire life untrue.   Keep mind open to new ideas, try to disprove ALL aspects before saying it's ALL junk.   The videos tell us far more factual information/photos than we ever hear from "Real Archeologists".  Why would that be?   Why is it if a person doesn't agree with "real archeologists" on something, they're 'blacklisted' from that entire group?   If things are facts, why are they documented, but never mentioned?  Add peices together and see what makes any sense at all.

Finally, why do you state they are "Nomadic"?    Nomadic tribes don't typically build towns and monuments to whichever God they believe in.
Pretty much.  We need to be open to new ideas and findings and that they might show that some of our conclusions were not correct.

However, many people's egos (or other interests) prevent them from doing it.
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A lot of people seem to focus on a theoretical meteor strike 12K years ago, but it has been pretty much proven that the bible story about sodom and gemorrah was about an air burst over the area, the melted stone and sulfur and glass is proof of it. That was 4000 years ago. 2-3000 years before that, one about the same size as the one that created the Greenland crater hit the indian ocean.

It always seemed to me that the plagues of Egypt were a description  of the after effects of a meteor impact. I am less inclined to put a firm date on which stuff was built when. Any technology that requires a supply chain anywhere close to that kind of an impact is going to be lost, along with civilization.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
No worries.  The video's author walks an almost borderline paranoia about "compartmentalization" of information being intentional to "hide stuff".

I'll not argue that there can be cases of that.  We are currently witnessing the "global warming" > "climate change" > "whatever" debacle where people questioning some of the mainstream info are blatantly shut down and chastised.  That's not how (real) Science works.

However, a lot of the issues he describes are most likely due to egos, refusal to recognize mistakes, ignorance and arrogance (both walk together) and plain incompetence.  He sometimes seems to fall in that trap himself.

Anyway, the two main things I took from his video were:
1) Russian's deception - confirms we need to take the stuff we find or is presented to us with grains of salt.

2) The DNA tests clearly show that there were (are?) competing human species competing until very recently.

I filtered the rest since he himself presented it as speculation. There is no credible proof or evidence of that.  And there's where he went on a tangent (if not crossed) the paranoia / conspiracy theory part.  If those "elongated skull" people lived (apparently comfortably) among humans before, why suddenly bury themselves in Antarctica to "run the world"?

Regarding 2, we also know of a global cataclysm that bottlenecked the DNA by almost wiping the human species from Earth.  That has been demonstrated by combining geological and anthropological studies.  Any civilization living in the wrong place and wrong time when it happened could have been completely wiped out, maybe without traces that we could find so far.

There's where I agree with him that we must have an holistic approach when studying History.  I do not agree that it does not happen because of "intentional agendas to hide stuff".  It's just most scientists using a very myopic approach to their studies and views.

As he said himself "believe nothing, question everything".
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Interesting movie.

The author busts a claim made by Russians explorers while making an interesting one about two species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEZkVGkkjI

Shows why we need to be quite careful about what we find online.
coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
I did not understand he said they "ran the world".  He was only saying that the DNA samples and tests showed that there's a completely different species present.

Nevertheless, it's interesting that there isn't more evidence about them.

Maybe whoever fought them wanted their traces wiped out?  Not uncommon even in more recent History.
didn't mean to get snarky on you.

the guy in the vid built up his credibility by debunking the Russian vid, then used Brian Foerster pointing out some oddities of the Paracas Skulls, and the DNA evidence he got from them to credit the implied existence of elongated skulls in Crimea and Egypt pointed to a place called Tartaria and proof of a race of beings with biologically elongated heads with superior intellect from that region.

Then the guy in the video showed some old paintings of French noble women with elongated skulls to prove tartarians existed into modern times. Then he quoted some banker as proof that the tartarians are running the world today from the shadows.

The huns, a nomadic horse people, had elongated heads due to head binding but he doesn't mention that, and that is important.

French Noble women had elongated skulls because the Hun did and the hun did because they practiced head binding. When the hun took over the region they became the new aristocracy, and it was considered a sign of high birth to bind womens heads as proof of their direct lineage from the hun to suitors.

Now I have never seen any elongated hun skulls, or any from the French. So they could be biological. but until I do see some, and they look like the ones found in paracas I figure it is unlikely.

Considering how little is known of the Hunnic folks, who can say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

there is also no pictures of elongated Egyptian or Crimean skulls to compare.

My theory on nomads and headbinding can be seen above.

Sorry for breaking the posts up, reduces the risk of my dumb ass deleting one long one.

This is the guy who funded the DNA testing Brian Foerster took part in, and to be fair to Foerster, the History channel did its own testing using a different lab from the ones he did and got the same result. It was for the ancient aliens show however, and I see no reason to trust anything related to that show, or the people who profit from it. Non the less here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgnGr-H8PA0

the ancient aliens bit jibes the paracas skulls with the igenea stuff from the discovery channel clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOxC1GtV5A
No worries.  The video's author walks an almost borderline paranoia about "compartmentalization" of information being intentional to "hide stuff".

I'll not argue that there can be cases of that.  We are currently witnessing the "global warming" > "climate change" > "whatever" debacle where people questioning some of the mainstream info are blatantly shut down and chastised.  That's not how (real) Science works.

However, a lot of the issues he describes are most likely due to egos, refusal to recognize mistakes, ignorance and arrogance (both walk together) and plain incompetence.  He sometimes seems to fall in that trap himself.

Anyway, the two main things I took from his video were:
1) Russian's deception - confirms we need to take the stuff we find or is presented to us with grains of salt.

2) The DNA tests clearly show that there were (are?) competing human species competing until very recently.

I filtered the rest since he himself presented it as speculation. There is no credible proof or evidence of that.  And there's where he went on a tangent (if not crossed) the paranoia / conspiracy theory part.  If those "elongated skull" people lived (apparently comfortably) among humans before, why suddenly bury themselves in Antarctica to "run the world"?

Regarding 2, we also know of a global cataclysm that bottlenecked the DNA by almost wiping the human species from Earth.  That has been demonstrated by combining geological and anthropological studies.  Any civilization living in the wrong place and wrong time when it happened could have been completely wiped out, maybe without traces that we could find so far.

There's where I agree with him that we must have an holistic approach when studying History.  I do not agree that it does not happen because of "intentional agendas to hide stuff".  It's just most scientists using a very myopic approach to their studies and views.

As he said himself "believe nothing, question everything".
Well considering the DNA is an exact match to the native people of Scotland it is hard to say separate species were competing up to the modern day. The DNA says the cone heads in Peru and King Tuts blood line are most like Scottish people. Now I am not sure what any of that means, but I don't know any cone headed Scottish folks.

If anything the Scotts would be some of the most isolated Caucasians.. So If you believe the results are legit it means they were Caucasians with some kind of skull deformity.
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I didn't think about wording last night.    Seems the experiences I'm going through with lost keys and random symbols showing up, duplicate letters and such are all attributed o One Thing - LIR/R-LIL xxxx series of batteries,
Bonus info of day:

LIR/CR DDHH[HH]

That's the format of all SI Battery size nomencclature.   Physical dimensions only.   A 14500 cell is 14mm diameter, and 50.0 mm long (AA Cell).  A CR2032 is 20mm in diameter, and 3.2 long (thick is commonly used, it's like a thin, smaller quarter.

LOVE THEM, the energy density and recharge counts of LiIon cells match or exceed NiMH _IF you can find an application that supports using a 14500 in place of 2 Alkaline/NiMH AA.

The LIR-XXXX is relatively new in the game.   Many applications have used them, and their chipsets support charging and monitoring of cell.  When cell no longer charges, it will say "100%" but not actually work, won't light up lights, etc.   Replace with a CR2032?  Firmware recognizes it's not a "R" 2032, so refuses to work.   That's the problem I had.  The chargers for coin cells have only gone mainstream recently, and will explode a non rechargeable cell.    Make sure you're only replacing a Rechargeable cell with a rechargeable cell.   Some phones will recharge the "emergency ping cell" at the same time your main battery is charging.

The keyboard I have is solar.  The battery in that keyboard is LIR 2032.  A CR2032 didn't work at all.  I'm waiting for an RCE2032 to arrive.

In the meantime when I don't carefully edit my posts, odd crap speweth in all directions.   I edit this like 5 times, but due to "lingo" being highlighted as wrong, I give u.

It is working better tan last night, after a day under a 1k lumen lamp, but is messing up again.
 Super-capacitors reduce the need for these, but they're hidden in many devices which are periodically charged.

These can be charged with any Cadex LiPo analyzer with a standard holder/contacts for the 2032 and the micro clip set on the Cadex.   R/C Chargers will support all types of LIR XXXXX batteries, estimate 140 if it asks.  Same thing, just add the leads as in  CAdex.

Others are a bit more tricky, as they not have the charge curve available.  Lower end only support Li-Ion (Lithium and Manganese), or LiFPO4 (Lithium - Iron) which does cover about 80% of commonly used stuff.

I keep a lot of LIR 2025 and 2032s around  Between those I can sammich them together and match almost any battery combo up to larger batteries that should be used.
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"just a gestalt puke all over the post"

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I didn't think about wording last night.    Seems the experiences I'm going through with lost keys and random symbols showing up, duplicate letters and such are all attributed o One Thing - LIR/R-LIL xxxx series of batteries,
Bonus info of day:

LIR/CR DDHH[HH]

That's the format of all SI Battery size nomencclature.   Physical dimensions only.   A 14500 cell is 14mm diameter, and 50.0 mm long (AA Cell).  A CR2032 is 20mm in diameter, and 3.2 long (thick is commonly used, it's like a thin, smaller quarter.

LOVE THEM, the energy density and recharge counts of LiIon cells match or exceed NiMH _IF you can find an application that supports using a 14500 in place of 2 Alkaline/NiMH AA.

The LIR-XXXX is relatively new in the game.   Many applications have used them, and their chipsets support charging and monitoring of cell.  When cell no longer charges, it will say "100%" but not actually work, won't light up lights, etc.   Replace with a CR2032?  Firmware recognizes it's not a "R" 2032, so refuses to work.   That's the problem I had.  The chargers for coin cells have only gone mainstream recently, and will explode a non rechargeable cell.    Make sure you're only replacing a Rechargeable cell with a rechargeable cell.   Some phones will recharge the "emergency ping cell" at the same time your main battery is charging.

The keyboard I have is solar.  The battery in that keyboard is LIR 2032.  A CR2032 didn't work at all.  I'm waiting for an RCE2032 to arrive.

In the meantime when I don't carefully edit my posts, odd crap speweth in all directions.   I edit this like 5 times, but due to "lingo" being highlighted as wrong, I give u.

It is working better tan last night, after a day under a 1k lumen lamp, but is messing up again.
 Super-capacitors reduce the need for these, but they're hidden in many devices which are periodically charged.

These can be charged with any Cadex LiPo analyzer with a standard holder/contacts for the 2032 and the micro clip set on the Cadex.   R/C Chargers will support all types of LIR XXXXX batteries, estimate 140 if it asks.  Same thing, just add the leads as in  CAdex.

Others are a bit more tricky, as they not have the charge curve available.  Lower end only support Li-Ion (Lithium and Manganese), or LiFPO4 (Lithium - Iron) which does cover about 80% of commonly used stuff.

I keep a lot of LIR 2025 and 2032s around  Between those I can sammich them together and match almost any battery combo up to larger batteries that should be used.
Well that explains the random letters and punctuation in your posts. Common issue in IT work, "Did you change the batteries?"
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@Rossi

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@Rossi

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Underwater ruins of Yonaguni and the legend of the giants




Proceed with extra caution on this one:

5 Underwater Discoveries That Cannot Be Explained!
Link Posted: 2/10/2019 5:26:59 AM EDT
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5000 year old medical theory from Egypt was still in use in germany in the 1600s. Now the medicine was dumber than dog shit but the point is know how from long dead civilizations spread far and wide.
Ancient Egyptian Texts Reveal Lost Science | Ancient Architects


Did I ever tell you about my theory of yeast? It invented advanced life to create more yeast. but anywho, here is another theory about yeast.
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I was joking about the yeast theory. Neat about possibly using gas from yeast to cause granite to produce St. Elmo's fire though.  Anywho, Foerster put out a new video today. You can see the lesser ability of the Inca in the attempt to rebuild polygonal structures, and where people 600 years before the Inca were also reusing damaged advanced work in their piled stone structures same as the Inca.

My opinion is the fitted stone is much older than the Inca, I agree with him on that, any more fanciful opinion than that I do not vouch for. To me it seems like at one point people with steel, maybe diamond tech, the wheel, wench, crane, advanced math, and dray animals with collar yokes were there.. Maybe steam, maybe. Then something happened and they weren't.

Ancient Megalithic Sites In Peru You Have Likely Never Heard Of
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