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Link Posted: 2/12/2019 9:54:31 AM EDT
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I have few to no doubts that the large megalithic boulders that fit very precisely were made and assembled before the Incas, who just built on top of them.

The evidence is widespread in an Inca-style that is common among the other civilizations they conquered and built after they were conquered.  That style is not so precise fitting and usually employs smaller rocks.   That is also demonstrated by how fast the Incas expanded their empire would unlikely spend much time and resources building stuff slow if they could be built fast.

Considering how odd sites (places that have several unanswered questions) are spread around the world, one could guess that one (or various) cataclysmic events wiped these civilizations and left very few traces of their existence, let alone knowledge.

Having good knowledge of these civilizations and what caused their disappearance could be a very good way to figure out methods to avert our own doom, in case we face similar scenarios.  (despite sometimes I am very skeptical about this, considering how many ignore lessons from the past and insist in repeating the same mistakes - but I digress)

For some reason, there's not much interest in diving deeper into that, except for few who have a passion for archaeology but are not very well funded, so a lot of their work is based on best guesses (and a lot on wild speculations that help selling books - there are many opportunists in this field).  From time to time we see good reports by some specialists that open many more questions, besides almost confirming that some ancient civilizations had technologies we can barely imagine.

Considering how much is spent and resources used to find and investigate sunk ships, one wonders why the same folks diving for ships also do not dig deeper in well-known archaeological sites and help answering many open questions.  Or, maybe it's been done.  The results are simply not published?
Link Posted: 2/12/2019 10:08:50 AM EDT
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In most places 600 meters or less water depth would be in the sovereign waters of whatever land is nearby and private treasure hunters wouldn't bother wasting capital to find stuff that could be claimed. The sea level rose 400-500 meters when the ice melted.
Link Posted: 2/12/2019 10:12:56 AM EDT
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Click here for a link to a declassified book in the CIA collection.  It talks about pole shifts and the destruction of earlier civilisations, Adam & Eve and how the biblical story came to be handed down and the upcoming doom of our own civilisation.

No more taxes when we die !
Link Posted: 2/12/2019 11:15:30 AM EDT
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coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
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Dunno if coneheads run the world, but if you go to Peru,  you will see conehead skulls.
Link Posted: 2/12/2019 11:16:40 AM EDT
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The LEGO™️ Culture
Link Posted: 2/12/2019 5:19:19 PM EDT
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https://thedavisreport.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/the-red-haired-giants-of-lovelock-cave-the-skulls-of-the-humboldt-museum/

Link Posted: 2/12/2019 7:08:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/12/2019 8:54:34 PM EDT
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Dunno if coneheads run the world, but if you go to Peru,  you will see conehead skulls.
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Originally Posted By waterglass:

coneheads run the world? Someone wants to sell a book on Coast to Coast AM.
Dunno if coneheads run the world, but if you go to Peru,  you will see conehead skulls.
And They are in Chile too, some dated as old as 8,000 years. Unlike the main stream I can believe Europeans made it to south America. reed boats and sails can do it. The cloud people mountain top fortress looks like something right out of southern Italian prehistory. but the Foerster and ancient aliens DNA results purport the royal Paracas to be the same blood as the Egyptian kings according to Igenea, and both of those blood lines are the most similar to the Scotts Irish.

In other words the Paracas and Egyptian royal lines have the most in common with the most isolated extant gene pool of Caucasians in Western Europe. According Foerster, igenea and Ancient Aliens. Even if that were true it doesn't explain why or how the royal Paracas skull shape is genetic.

That is all.
Link Posted: 2/12/2019 9:02:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:
That's similar to many other things, which I can't describe, but have noticed.  So much that it's not obvious, or "officially" published.   Too many civilizations had traits of earlier ones from science to "machines" to medicine-ish in the first one.

The similar style of building/city construction,  the fact that buildings were actually built, when we're told they were all barbarian nomads prior to Rome.  Even that Official Story is ignored, and nothing about history is really taught, a drastic swing from when I was in high school we had to memorize significant dates, names, and places for the "important bits" of year 0 to 1985.  That got pretty dense after 1700s, which made me hate it.   I can see going into that much detail over memorizing dates is a good way to make people not want to know because they only think of history as More memorization of dead people and dates".   None of them really went into depth of why, or much on how, Just knowing the dates was the important part, and asking why got you detention for being a smart ass to the teacher.

I learn much faster, and see things better when I look at the who, when, how, why of things.   Then it all falls together and I can link chains for remembering dates, it makes sense and falls together.  Sadly,  some of that info isn't popular now as it was when King Tut was a big deal in the 1980s, with astrology in full swing and whatnot.

So, I explained, with exhausttive completeness everything I could when my kid asked me why, he still asks me why, so I guess I did a Good Thing there.   When any information can be put into context by an anology, it helps further.  Figuring out how you'd explain why or want to know the Why of things, causes you to learn ore which makes you more eager to learn more.  It comes frmo strange sources that sometimes give bullshit, but once the context and other 'whys' are in the air around it, some parts make a lot more sense, while some "theories" are crap, even those from Official Historians/Archeologists.  They must intentionally write their reports/findings/releases to be as dull and boring as possible.  Like more memorizing of dates, instead of explaining what other things/places/events also link together in it.

So @waterglass  Thank you.  Post more like the medical (or any field) that shows pretty clear links, if you have/find  them.

However, the second video, are they claiming they wasted ethanol as a weapon instead of a party?

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Originally Posted By waterglass:
5000 year old medical theory from Egypt was still in use in germany in the 1600s. Now the medicine was dumber than dog shit but the point is know how from long dead civilizations spread far and wide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65mu3ZlKGY
That's similar to many other things, which I can't describe, but have noticed.  So much that it's not obvious, or "officially" published.   Too many civilizations had traits of earlier ones from science to "machines" to medicine-ish in the first one.

The similar style of building/city construction,  the fact that buildings were actually built, when we're told they were all barbarian nomads prior to Rome.  Even that Official Story is ignored, and nothing about history is really taught, a drastic swing from when I was in high school we had to memorize significant dates, names, and places for the "important bits" of year 0 to 1985.  That got pretty dense after 1700s, which made me hate it.   I can see going into that much detail over memorizing dates is a good way to make people not want to know because they only think of history as More memorization of dead people and dates".   None of them really went into depth of why, or much on how, Just knowing the dates was the important part, and asking why got you detention for being a smart ass to the teacher.

I learn much faster, and see things better when I look at the who, when, how, why of things.   Then it all falls together and I can link chains for remembering dates, it makes sense and falls together.  Sadly,  some of that info isn't popular now as it was when King Tut was a big deal in the 1980s, with astrology in full swing and whatnot.

So, I explained, with exhausttive completeness everything I could when my kid asked me why, he still asks me why, so I guess I did a Good Thing there.   When any information can be put into context by an anology, it helps further.  Figuring out how you'd explain why or want to know the Why of things, causes you to learn ore which makes you more eager to learn more.  It comes frmo strange sources that sometimes give bullshit, but once the context and other 'whys' are in the air around it, some parts make a lot more sense, while some "theories" are crap, even those from Official Historians/Archeologists.  They must intentionally write their reports/findings/releases to be as dull and boring as possible.  Like more memorizing of dates, instead of explaining what other things/places/events also link together in it.

So @waterglass  Thank you.  Post more like the medical (or any field) that shows pretty clear links, if you have/find  them.

However, the second video, are they claiming they wasted ethanol as a weapon instead of a party?

They were cat people, what can you expect.

Must not have been Irish after all.

I'll post cool stuff when I find it. Got to keep this thread alive.
Link Posted: 2/13/2019 2:44:47 PM EDT
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In one of the previously posted videos they mentioned that the Spaniards said that the Incas might have used some sort of plant to "soften" the stones.

The video below mentions that the ancient builders might have used a kind of acidic paste between the stones that softened the mating surfaces and made a better fit.

This is How They Built the Inca Stone Walls | Ancient Architects
Link Posted: 2/13/2019 2:51:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BB:
Machu Picchu was built in the 15th century; the reason it looks like less skilled labor built on top of it is because when it was "found" it was in ruins and what you see today is the effort to rebuild the thing by people that dont have a month to rub two stones together to get them to fit.

Read a book for cryin out loud.
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That's the first thing I'd try if I wanted to replicate that building technique.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 8:45:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
In one of the previously posted videos they mentioned that the Spaniards said that the Incas might have used some sort of plant to "soften" the stones.

The video below mentions that the ancient builders might have used a kind of acidic paste between the stones that softened the mating surfaces and made a better fit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KbSFphHCZY
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Very interestin.  Here is another video on the Etruscans and pre historic polygonal builders in the area of italy.

Etruscan, Pelagasi and early Egyptian connections - Gary Biltcliffe


I grew up in a county in Kentucky named after the pelasgi, along a river named the Cumberland.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 10:58:52 AM EDT
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There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 11:09:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
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Make up whatever story you want about giants... that’s what others do. There is no credible evidence of their existence.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 12:05:11 PM EDT
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Make up whatever story you want about giants... that’s what others do. There is no credible evidence of their existence.
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
Make up whatever story you want about giants... that’s what others do. There is no credible evidence of their existence.
I watched about 20 minutes of that video and had enough. The whole "this one guy would go into a trance and describe giants" is about where I disengaged.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 12:17:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:
I watched about 20 minutes of that video and had enough. The whole "this one guy would go into a trance and describe giants" is about where I disengaged.
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
Make up whatever story you want about giants... that’s what others do. There is no credible evidence of their existence.
I watched about 20 minutes of that video and had enough. The whole "this one guy would go into a trance and describe giants" is about where I disengaged.
If you’re going to make shit up, at least throw in some scantily clad babes to make it interesting.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 12:26:56 PM EDT
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I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 12:33:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By a555:
I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
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Did you actually duplicate the math or check any numbers?
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 12:37:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
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You mean the vid in the op? Or the vid I posted.

There were none. That is just what the people we have records from called the people who built the crazy stuff a thousand years in their own prehistory. They did a lot of drugs. whether we are talking about the greeks or inca. They did a lot of drugs. They made drug fueled myths to explain shit.

on the Pelasgians. I suggest putting it on mute. This video quotes greek and roman texts and later works only.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 2:06:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By a555:
I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
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I'd like to see these construction/buildings timeline sources.   Several are not agreed upon until today.

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Link Posted: 2/14/2019 2:12:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:
That could only be possible if Man made Global Warming is the reasons the magnetic poles have moved around and even flipped a few times.

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I watched the vid, and am 95.878787% certain the civilizations developed a compass.

Aging by what they called North would be neat stats, which he shows only results of checks.   The intersections fit the magnetic pole wandering better than the Earth choosing a different equator over time, but I won't say it can't be that, Pangea and all, continents migrated, planets changing their spin due to asteroid impacts (hence loss of tech/knowledge) and other things able to put some English on Earth.   Still believe continents migrating is more likely, as we've seen it, than our rotational axis moving, though a large enough asteroid would do that, such as one that could make our moon.  So yes, coconuts can migrate.

Magnetic poles are more straightforward, though. No surveying needed.  We still orient things to True north rather than magnetic North, that doesn't rule out other possibilities, though, he just kind of ignores it.

https://i.imgur.com/Tkv5gYM.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/i5Rz14N.gif

Slow paced, feel free to do the arrow key time jumps...
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
This engineer ties in lost civilizations, Ice Ages, pole shifts and the uses and ages of megalithic structures into one nifty theory of multiple poles. He asked himself the simple question: Why is there an ice sheet on Greenland, yet no other land masses in the arctic circle at that latitude do? Answer: Greenland was the north pole long ago. In fact, there were 5 north poles during man's megolithic building eras.
Interesting theory based upon mathematics.

Lost Civilizations: Greenland, the Geo Pole, and Ice Ages (Part I)
That could only be possible if Man made Global Warming is the reasons the magnetic poles have moved around and even flipped a few times.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgUGDuuVB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgUGDuuVB4

--ETA:

I watched the vid, and am 95.878787% certain the civilizations developed a compass.

Aging by what they called North would be neat stats, which he shows only results of checks.   The intersections fit the magnetic pole wandering better than the Earth choosing a different equator over time, but I won't say it can't be that, Pangea and all, continents migrated, planets changing their spin due to asteroid impacts (hence loss of tech/knowledge) and other things able to put some English on Earth.   Still believe continents migrating is more likely, as we've seen it, than our rotational axis moving, though a large enough asteroid would do that, such as one that could make our moon.  So yes, coconuts can migrate.

Magnetic poles are more straightforward, though. No surveying needed.  We still orient things to True north rather than magnetic North, that doesn't rule out other possibilities, though, he just kind of ignores it.

https://i.imgur.com/Tkv5gYM.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/i5Rz14N.gif

Slow paced, feel free to do the arrow key time jumps...
FWIW, I have manually tested many of the structures this guy has on his site, and while I measured their orientation with Google earth and then plugged them into my equation, his math checks out for the intersecting points. I can post the formulas and algorithms that I used if anyone wants to verify it.
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
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Despite not impossible, I'd take that with (plenty) grains of salt.

Even today we have some folks living among us who are way taller than the average human.  However, they are not the norm.  If, in the past and for some reason a village got several of them (food?, genetic aberration?), they might become the topic of legends but not necessarily some special race.  Remember that our ancestors were not as tall as we are and that might make the height difference even more glaring.

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This guy uses many sources in his website.

https://www.sott.net/article/256712-A-giant-mystery-18-strange-giant-skeletons-found-in-Wisconsin-Sons-of-god-Men-of-renown
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 2:35:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
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The tallest hominin we know of is homo sapiens.  We're the giants.  There's some giant gorilla that some think was up to 10 feet tell, but there is only a jawbone of it to judge by.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 3:38:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Did you actually duplicate the math or check any numbers?
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Originally Posted By a555:
I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
Did you actually duplicate the math or check any numbers?
There is zero reason to use the phrase "highly eccentric" when talking about Earth's orbit. That's what caught my eye.

If he wanted to say, "There are cyclical changes in the eccentricity of Earth's orbit, this having the affect of varying the insolation by as much as 17%, 1 million years ago and 7% today."

Well no shit, no argues against that. But 0.06 is not a "Highly Eccentric" orbit.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 3:42:50 PM EDT
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I'd like to see these construction/buildings timeline sources.   Several are not agreed upon until today.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/BuildingsTimeline_PNG-845278.JPG
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By a555:
I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
I'd like to see these construction/buildings timeline sources.   Several are not agreed upon until today.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/BuildingsTimeline_PNG-845278.JPG
At first glance, it appears that may in fact line up with the variability of Earth's orbital eccentricity. On closer inspection, it doesn't.
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Originally Posted By a555:
FWIW, I have manually tested many of the structures this guy has on his site, and while I measured their orientation with Google earth and then plugged them into my equation, his math checks out for the intersecting points. I can post the formulas and algorithms that I used if anyone wants to verify it.
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Originally Posted By a555:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
This engineer ties in lost civilizations, Ice Ages, pole shifts and the uses and ages of megalithic structures into one nifty theory of multiple poles. He asked himself the simple question: Why is there an ice sheet on Greenland, yet no other land masses in the arctic circle at that latitude do? Answer: Greenland was the north pole long ago. In fact, there were 5 north poles during man's megolithic building eras.
Interesting theory based upon mathematics.

Lost Civilizations: Greenland, the Geo Pole, and Ice Ages (Part I)
That could only be possible if Man made Global Warming is the reasons the magnetic poles have moved around and even flipped a few times.

Embed for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgUGDuuVB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgUGDuuVB4

--ETA:

I watched the vid, and am 95.878787% certain the civilizations developed a compass.

Aging by what they called North would be neat stats, which he shows only results of checks.   The intersections fit the magnetic pole wandering better than the Earth choosing a different equator over time, but I won't say it can't be that, Pangea and all, continents migrated, planets changing their spin due to asteroid impacts (hence loss of tech/knowledge) and other things able to put some English on Earth.   Still believe continents migrating is more likely, as we've seen it, than our rotational axis moving, though a large enough asteroid would do that, such as one that could make our moon.  So yes, coconuts can migrate.

Magnetic poles are more straightforward, though. No surveying needed.  We still orient things to True north rather than magnetic North, that doesn't rule out other possibilities, though, he just kind of ignores it.

https://i.imgur.com/Tkv5gYM.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/i5Rz14N.gif

Slow paced, feel free to do the arrow key time jumps...
FWIW, I have manually tested many of the structures this guy has on his site, and while I measured their orientation with Google earth and then plugged them into my equation, his math checks out for the intersecting points. I can post the formulas and algorithms that I used if anyone wants to verify it.
I would like to see them, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 4:09:05 PM EDT
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Well for sure the Gnomes didn't build them nor the chain gangs from Georgia back in the 1890's. No one left their construction company's business card . It couldn't have been aliens. If they could build spaceships I'm sure they'd do better construction than stone age 201. That leaves just one possibility, the Crew of the Enterprise super warped back in time one too many times and got stuck here and forced to implement the Prime Directive on themselves.

Seriously, anyone's best guess is not good enough. Need more evidence preferably DNA, tools, recordings by witnesses or the best evidence is a frozen body with his "tool kit" on a nearby mountain glacier.
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Originally Posted By Chisum:
Well for sure the Gnomes didn't build them nor the chain gangs from Georgia back in the 1890's. No one left their construction company's business card . It couldn't have been aliens. If they could build spaceships I'm sure they'd do better construction than stone age 201. That leaves just one possibility, the Crew of the Enterprise super warped back in time one too many times and got stuck here and forced to implement the Prime Directive on themselves.

Seriously, anyone's best guess is not good enough. Need more evidence preferably DNA, tools, recordings by witnesses or the best evidence is a frozen body with his "tool kit" on a nearby mountain glacier.
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Way too complicated. yeast made people get drunk and decide they were tired of their walls falling down. So they built some that wouldn't fall down insuring people had more time to make yeast for beer.

With all that free time to spend drinking everyone forgot how they built the machines they used, and since all the kids were pickled in the womb because their was no FDA to tell their moms not to drink while pregnant, they were all retarded from infant alcohol syndrome and civilization collapsed.
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I believe the Antediluvian civilizations were far more advanced than is generally believed. And then came the cataclysm around 12k years ago that wiped most of the planet clean.
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Micro nova event
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
In one of the previously posted videos they mentioned that the Spaniards said that the Incas might have used some sort of plant to "soften" the stones.

The video below mentions that the ancient builders might have used a kind of acidic paste between the stones that softened the mating surfaces and made a better fit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KbSFphHCZY
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This is a very plausible theory, as it doesn't require a super advanced yet unknown civilization. It just shows how the people learned to use the resources around them.
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
At first glance, it appears that may in fact line up with the variability of Earth's orbital eccentricity. On closer inspection, it doesn't.
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By a555:
I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
I'd like to see these construction/buildings timeline sources.   Several are not agreed upon until today.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/BuildingsTimeline_PNG-845278.JPG
At first glance, it appears that may in fact line up with the variability of Earth's orbital eccentricity. On closer inspection, it doesn't.
The author seems to have cherry-picked the constructions according to their alignment and grouped them together to fit his theory.   That was my feeling about it when I saw that table.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 4:49:26 PM EDT
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Dirty inkys.

Or Inca , I don't know which.
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Originally Posted By waterglass:

Way too complicated. yeast made people get drunk and decide they were tired of their walls falling down. So they built some that wouldn't fall down insuring people had more time to make yeast for beer.

With all that free time to spend drinking everyone forgot how they built the machines they used, and since all the kids were pickled in the womb because their was no FDA to tell their moms not to drink while pregnant, they were all retarded from infant alcohol syndrome and civilization collapsed.
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With all that boredom in space and a food replicator I bet they could come up with so pretty potent stuff. Mellow drinks lets time go bye so much more smoothly.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Despite not impossible, I'd take that with (plenty) grains of salt.

Even today we have some folks living among us who are way taller than the average human.  However, they are not the norm.  If, in the past and for some reason a village got several of them (food?, genetic aberration?), they might become the topic of legends but not necessarily some special race.  Remember that our ancestors were not as tall as we are and that might make the height difference even more glaring.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/human_giants_from_the_past__6__jpg-845281.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67695eb9256314587771c1c67431d486--giant-people-tall-people_jpg-845292.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/MaxPalmer_jpg-845283.JPG

This guy uses many sources in his website.

https://www.sott.net/article/256712-A-giant-mystery-18-strange-giant-skeletons-found-in-Wisconsin-Sons-of-god-Men-of-renown
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Originally Posted By donnieR32:

There are some incredible posts in here and obviously some of you are very knowledgeable and skilled craftsmen. Seriously though, I want to know more about the giants.
Despite not impossible, I'd take that with (plenty) grains of salt.

Even today we have some folks living among us who are way taller than the average human.  However, they are not the norm.  If, in the past and for some reason a village got several of them (food?, genetic aberration?), they might become the topic of legends but not necessarily some special race.  Remember that our ancestors were not as tall as we are and that might make the height difference even more glaring.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/human_giants_from_the_past__6__jpg-845281.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67695eb9256314587771c1c67431d486--giant-people-tall-people_jpg-845292.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/MaxPalmer_jpg-845283.JPG

This guy uses many sources in his website.

https://www.sott.net/article/256712-A-giant-mystery-18-strange-giant-skeletons-found-in-Wisconsin-Sons-of-god-Men-of-renown
Yup, the best way to get a big brain is to be giant. IMO if prehistoric people bred for more gigantism that probably got more. I don't discount there being ruling cast gigantism among early cultures and tribes, but a race of giants I doubt very much. And a giant ruling cast doesn't mean much against a numerically superior enemy.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
The author seems to have cherry-picked the constructions according to their alignment and grouped them together to fit his theory.   That was my feeling about it when I saw that table.
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By a555:
I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread and maybe it's already been mentioned, but I believe these structures may be much older than we've been told.

There's this guy's site: http://www.mariobuildreps.com/

The math checks out.
I'd like to see these construction/buildings timeline sources.   Several are not agreed upon until today.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/BuildingsTimeline_PNG-845278.JPG
At first glance, it appears that may in fact line up with the variability of Earth's orbital eccentricity. On closer inspection, it doesn't.
The author seems to have cherry-picked the constructions according to their alignment and grouped them together to fit his theory.   That was my feeling about it when I saw that table.
You have to really dig into it, but it is mentioned that ~37% of the ~900 sites, do not line up, but are distributed throughout. Which is what probably caught the eye of the person doing the math. The statistics on the sites, through out the world(even if 1/3 don't line up), spread out over time(even over a shorter time span then proposed), is quite intriguing.

The impression I get is that there may have been two people working on this, one person was doing the math and another was writing the narrative. The math and data sets have decent well worded explanations, but the language used to stitch everything together and the overall sell of the hypothesis is a bit disjointed and needs some polish and nuance on the conclusion.

Might have got a little ahead of themselves, but I think it is an interesting trail that likely has a fair amount of validity to parts of it.
Link Posted: 2/14/2019 11:09:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
I would like to see them, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother.
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Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
This engineer ties in lost civilizations, Ice Ages, pole shifts and the uses and ages of megalithic structures into one nifty theory of multiple poles. He asked himself the simple question: Why is there an ice sheet on Greenland, yet no other land masses in the arctic circle at that latitude do? Answer: Greenland was the north pole long ago. In fact, there were 5 north poles during man's megolithic building eras.
Interesting theory based upon mathematics.

Lost Civilizations: Greenland, the Geo Pole, and Ice Ages (Part I)
That could only be possible if Man made Global Warming is the reasons the magnetic poles have moved around and even flipped a few times.

Embed for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgUGDuuVB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgUGDuuVB4

--ETA:

I watched the vid, and am 95.878787% certain the civilizations developed a compass.

Aging by what they called North would be neat stats, which he shows only results of checks.   The intersections fit the magnetic pole wandering better than the Earth choosing a different equator over time, but I won't say it can't be that, Pangea and all, continents migrated, planets changing their spin due to asteroid impacts (hence loss of tech/knowledge) and other things able to put some English on Earth.   Still believe continents migrating is more likely, as we've seen it, than our rotational axis moving, though a large enough asteroid would do that, such as one that could make our moon.  So yes, coconuts can migrate.

Magnetic poles are more straightforward, though. No surveying needed.  We still orient things to True north rather than magnetic North, that doesn't rule out other possibilities, though, he just kind of ignores it.

https://i.imgur.com/Tkv5gYM.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/i5Rz14N.gif

Slow paced, feel free to do the arrow key time jumps...
FWIW, I have manually tested many of the structures this guy has on his site, and while I measured their orientation with Google earth and then plugged them into my equation, his math checks out for the intersecting points. I can post the formulas and algorithms that I used if anyone wants to verify it.
I would like to see them, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother.
I just threw this page together for testing. I didn't get around to calculating the intersecting points as I have a pissed off girlfriend on Valentine's day because I'm spending time writing this. You put in place names, lat, lon, and the angle and it generates a KML file with 10,000nm lines (don't bother trying to mess with that param, I didn't finish it). If you want more info, I can continue to develop this.

http://airwaysandrunways.com/Test/PointHeadingToKml.aspx
Link Posted: 2/15/2019 7:42:26 PM EDT
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Update: I'm now going through the OpenStreetMap data to see if I can extract orientation data from structure polygons and see if the polygons contain metadata as to whether they're ancient, et cetera. While some structures don't show up at all, I've discovered that there are features that show up as rectangles in their interactive online map. I have multiple map tile servers running already and just created another with the most up to date database that I can query directly. If there's enough interest, I could make this some sort of interactive/crowd based project to help to identify and catalog such structures.

Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/191757895#map=19/34.37496/108.69803&layers=ND

I should be able to use the polygon data from the raw geospatial information to quickly aggregate structures based on this and then create either KML or Google Maps overlays to quickly visually identify features and measure historical structures.

More examples: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic=ruins?uselang=en-US

It seems like the "ruins" tag might be low hanging fruit for this sort of thing. I'll take structures that are facing towards the arctic circle, compute the intersecting points of all of them and used that to create an image that should show any hotspots. The issue that can taint the data is that it may be difficult to omit the "noise" caused by structures that we know to be modern, such as houses, but the processes could likely still be used to dramatically speed up the process of selecting ancient structures and automatically determining and cataloging their approximate orientation.
Link Posted: 2/15/2019 8:52:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By a555:
Update: I'm now going through the OpenStreetMap data to see if I can extract orientation data from structure polygons and see if the polygons contain metadata as to whether they're ancient, et cetera. While some structures don't show up at all, I've discovered that there are features that show up as rectangles in their interactive online map. I have multiple map tile servers running already and just created another with the most up to date database that I can query directly. If there's enough interest, I could make this some sort of interactive/crowd based project to help to identify and catalog such structures.

Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/191757895#map=19/34.37496/108.69803&layers=ND

I should be able to use the polygon data from the raw geospatial information to quickly aggregate structures based on this and then create either KML or Google Maps overlays to quickly visually identify features and measure historical structures.

More examples: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic=ruins?uselang=en-US

It seems like the "ruins" tag might be low hanging fruit for this sort of thing. I'll take structures that are facing towards the arctic circle, compute the intersecting points of all of them and used that to create an image that should show any hotspots. The issue that can taint the data is that it may be difficult to omit the "noise" caused by structures that we know to be modern, such as houses, but the processes could likely still be used to dramatically speed up the process of selecting ancient structures and automatically determining and cataloging their approximate orientation.
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Unless we can precisely date those structures the end results might not be conclusive.
Link Posted: 2/16/2019 5:17:04 AM EDT
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One thing to think about, Homo Sapiens have been around for ~160,000 years with pretty much the same size brain.

Plenty of time for civilizations to rise and fall.
Link Posted: 2/16/2019 7:32:57 AM EDT
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This guy is pretty click baity and sensational, but this is a neat video.

EXPLAINING THE "MELTED STAIRCASE" IN THE HATHOR TEMPLE, DENDERA, EGYPT (4 Explanations!)
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Unless we can precisely date those structures the end results might not be conclusive.
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My thought was to enforce/refute the information that the mariobuildreps.com guy is claiming. His claim being that you can date the structures by their correlation to being north facing and we have information to know where the north pole was in the past.
Link Posted: 2/16/2019 1:09:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:
Found this by clicking around linkes, Itink from here.

Top.  Men.
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In the words of Vine Deloria, a Native American author and professor of law:

"Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past."
Top.  Men.
Lack of a broad vision and capacity for innovation and changing paradigms?  Incompetence?  Or something to hide?
Link Posted: 2/16/2019 1:24:49 PM EDT
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This guy is pretty click baity and sensational, but this is a neat video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=refJKa_7Wi8
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Interesting.

What do you think happened at the bottom of this entrance and staircase in Kuelap?

Attachment Attached File


Someone just dumped molten rock residues?  

It only seems to happen in that spot.

Drone Fight over Kuélap Ruins Walled City in Chachapoyas, Peru
Link Posted: 2/16/2019 1:29:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By a555:
My thought was to enforce/refute the information that the mariobuildreps.com guy is claiming. His claim being that you can date the structures by their correlation to being north facing and we have information to know where the north pole was in the past.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:

Unless we can precisely date those structures the end results might not be conclusive.
My thought was to enforce/refute the information that the mariobuildreps.com guy is claiming. His claim being that you can date the structures by their correlation to being north facing and we have information to know where the north pole was in the past.
It's a good idea and would be a great project.

However, two questions:

1) how do you know which ones to use to check the alignment?  This questions comes from being able to tell the structures' actual dates.

2) depending on the crust shift he talks about, how much would they still precisely point towards where they were pointing when built?  Would they all shift equally or randomly?   This would apply to the older ones, of course.
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Originally Posted By brass:
Sadly, part of me thinks the first two were by design, so the 3rd could be a convenient 'write off' made comically plausible.  It's been a running joke since the 80s, and not much has changed.  Any new or different old things found?  Give to Smithsonian Museum, where it can be protected from bad things like Oxygen, Sunlight, and the gaze of those "not-qualified" to see it.
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By brass:
Found this by clicking around linkes, Itink from here.


In the words of Vine Deloria, a Native American author and professor of law:

"Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past."
Top.  Men.
Lack of a broad vision and capacity for innovation and changing paradigms?  Incompetence?  Or something to hide?
Sadly, part of me thinks the first two were by design, so the 3rd could be a convenient 'write off' made comically plausible.  It's been a running joke since the 80s, and not much has changed.  Any new or different old things found?  Give to Smithsonian Museum, where it can be protected from bad things like Oxygen, Sunlight, and the gaze of those "not-qualified" to see it.
Sad indeed.  In other regions the archaeologists have been using modern technologies such as LIDAR to uncover new stuff and change old conclusions and assumptions.

I wonder what would be found in Peru and vicinity if the same resources were deployed.

The Lost World of the Maya is Finally Emerging From the Jungle


...

Leaving the research camp, we drive into the gloom of an approaching thunderstorm. Dark mounds loom around us as the battered truck pushes past concrete huts. Occasional lightning bolts paint the distant hills in silhouette, and I wonder what lies beneath them. Garrison’s data make clear that the Maya didn’t just build cities and towns here in the Petén — they inhabited nearly every square mile of the area.

Each hill, every bump in the ground, may conceal the remains of civilization, and with the echoes of laser beams raining down through the jungle, we’ll soon find them.

Garrison is confident that he’s beginning to get a handle on this landscape he’s trekked for years, but never truly seen. It’s right here, on his laptop screen. Now all he needs to do is go out and dig.

(more at link)
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