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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:20:05 PM EDT
Well ?
Seriously interested in these, are these considered sbr / NFA weapons ? Interested in a 9mm set up, and SUPER INTERESTED in a 10mm set up / 10mm flux hunting weapon.  I know they don’t have one yet, but read about “ flux heavy “ chassis prototypes in 10mm / 45acp etc, so guess it’s possible.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:22:32 PM EDT
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I wish they would hurry up with the Glock version
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:23:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish they would hurry up with the Glock version This. I’m not buying a gun to accessorize an accessory. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 10:17:42 PM EDT
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The new alloy one for the 365 looks promising, just expensive. You can carry it in a holster with a stock or brace attached, hit the button on draw and bring it up.
Most of the others have, as Brock/BrassFacts calls it, the “seven degrees to Kevin Bacon problem” of having an optic mounted to a thing that’s mounted to a thing that’s mounted to another thing that’s mounted to the gun, and many others use a clamshell design, so they usually have a wandering zero. BF is probably the best source on YT for info on things that fit into the PDW role. The best options are either fucking retarded-looking, ridiculously expensive with a bunch of annoying issues, or outrageously, insultingly, fuck-tardedly expensive. (These options are the $1200 UZI Pro, $2000 B&T TP9, and $3000 USW, respectively. Yes, by the time you slap a brace on it, the USW is right around three grand. Over that if you get the stock and SBR it. B&T says fuck the poors) |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 5:53:06 AM EDT
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I do, love mine. Simple 320 with comp, sling, old PA red dot and a flashlight.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 6:23:52 AM EDT
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I have the USW chassis on a P10C I SBR’d. They make one for Glock large frame guns.
https://bt-usa.com/products/usw-g-45-10mm/ It is awesome and makes me heavily consider SBRing a G20 or G40. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 6:32:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I’m not buying a gun to accessorize an accessory. Can’t argue with this logic. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 7:01:26 AM EDT
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Love mine. I need to stop being lazy and suppress it though. Its a blast to shoot and with two 21 rd mags, packs a lot of capacity for its size.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 7:26:26 AM EDT
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I have owned the Glock version for a long time. It’s amazing to have a pdw that fits in a glove box. Fast hits to 100+ yards and I can carry it as it’s a pistol.
I ordered the 365 version this week. People think they are niche and they aren’t wrong, but you end up with the ballistics of an MP5 in something you can holster or stash. It’s nice unless you’re willing to spend the size/weight tax and up to a Sig rattler. Which I also have |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 7:53:51 AM EDT
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Tag, could use a pdw. Are braces legal again?
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Posted: 6/17/2024 7:57:50 AM EDT
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They sell braced versions (non nfa) and stocked versions.
I already had a sbr’d 320 fcu from a USW320 so I bought the nfa version. What questions do you have? 
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Posted: 6/17/2024 8:15:41 AM EDT
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Is there room in the back for a Glock switch?
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Posted: 6/17/2024 9:41:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there room in the back for a Glock switch? I'm not sure about the raider, the the micro roni does. We have a metal chassis too that has room as well. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 9:51:25 AM EDT
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Coworker has one for his Sig 320. It is surprisingly comfortable to fire. Thought about getting one. But my M17 style 320 has the manual safety, so that's a no go in the Flux chassis.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 9:54:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coworker has one for his Sig 320. It is surprisingly comfortable to fire. Thought about getting one. But my M17 style 320 has the manual safety, so that's a no go in the Flux chassis. Can you not cut the flux to accept manual safety? I like the safety that comes on the flux. I plan to sbr another 320 to pit in my usw320 because I think it would benefit from a safety. You can get used 320s cheap and that gives you a slide, barrel and fcu that you need for a flux anyway. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 10:14:22 AM EDT
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Purchased the X model a few months back. Its a constant companion in a viktos XL sling pack. Sat next to me at the kids little league tourney all weekend.
Didnt want a 320, but really the "only" option worth owning at this time. Got a NIB 320 for 399, plus the brace keeps it under 1k. Hoping popularity ensues and we have more pdw options around the corner. Just as the 380 in your pocket is better then the 45 on your night stan, the 9mm pdw on your back is better then the 5" 300 blk in your car |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 10:20:15 AM EDT
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A few guys in this thread have them;
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/A-mostly-peaceful-election-year-Let-s-talk-PDWs-v2-0/5-2730988/ I'd probably get one to play with if they were ever in stock... Eta: I have a recover brace for a G19, works OK. They do one for a G20; https://recovertactical.com/product/recover-tactical-20-21-stabilizer-kit-for-10mm-45acp-large-frame-glocks/ |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:08:13 AM EDT
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I have a couple of Glock SBRs (one in 9mm and another in 45/10) in the B&T chassis systems.
The B&T units are well made and do transform a handgun into a very small PDW. They were fun little projects and make for nice plinkers at the range. As for actual real world defensive practicality and the cost (between the host guns, chassis, suppressors, etc) that is debatable. They are honestly really too big to carry in a holster and if you are going with an off body bag carry you might as well take something a little bigger/better like an MP5K or a small AR15 variant. I guess they would fit some sort of under a suit jacket shoulder holster use case but again in semi-auto you would probably be served just as well with a duty handgun in a traditional holster that is quicker to deploy. Just my two cents anyway. 
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:16:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the USW chassis on a P10C I SBR’d. They make one for Glock large frame guns. https://bt-usa.com/products/usw-g-45-10mm/ It is awesome and makes me heavily consider SBRing a G20 or G40. That’s definitely a possibility ! Thanks ! Iv got a G-40, a G-20, and a G-29 and another G-20 on layaway currently, that second g20 would be a candidate for one, or actually the G-40 would be preferred for building my compact hunting weapon. These are NFA weapons when assembled right ? |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:17:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Love mine. I need to stop being lazy and suppress it though. Its a blast to shoot and with two 21 rd mags, packs a lot of capacity for its size. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/450791/flux_jpg-3243555.JPG Yup, that’s what I want, ideally 2 in 9mm for pdw roles, and 1 in 10mm for a compact hunting weapon. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:24:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:25:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a couple of Glock SBRs (one in 9mm and another in 45/10) in the B&T chassis systems. The B&T units are well made and do transform a handgun into a very small PDW. They were fun little projects and make for nice plinkers at the range. As for actual real world defensive practicality and the cost (between the host guns, chassis, suppressors, etc) that is debatable. They are honestly really too big to carry in a holster and if you are going with an off body bag carry you might as well take something a little bigger/better like an MP5K or a small AR15 variant. I guess they would fit some sort of under a suit jacket shoulder holster use case but again in semi-auto you would probably be served just as well with a duty handgun in a traditional holster that is quicker to deploy. Just my two cents anyway. http://i.imgur.com/HwevXwQ.jpg having both - I'm curious why you would say the MP5k has any advantage over one of these? the flux is lighter, has last round bolt hold open, and faster reloads - what would make the MP5k superior? |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:26:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are braces legal again? Yes they are.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coworker has one for his Sig 320. It is surprisingly comfortable to fire. Thought about getting one. But my M17 style 320 has the manual safety, so that's a no go in the Flux chassis. Manual safety options are awesome on polymer guns, Iv got a M&P with thumb safety, wish my glocks , hellcats, and other m&ps had them too, nuts they don’t put them / offer them on all models. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:29:47 AM EDT
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a problem in solution of a problem in solution of a shill
buy an actual pdw |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure about the raider, the the micro roni does. We have a metal chassis too that has room as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there room in the back for a Glock switch? I'm not sure about the raider, the the micro roni does. We have a metal chassis too that has room as well. I have the Flux Glock version, Roni and Recover Tactical as well. Just put a G-Flex in and have fun. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:40:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few guys in this thread have them; https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/A-mostly-peaceful-election-year-Let-s-talk-PDWs-v2-0/5-2730988/ I'd probably get one to play with if they were ever in stock... Eta: I have a recover brace for a G19, works OK. They do one for a G20; https://recovertactical.com/product/recover-tactical-20-21-stabilizer-kit-for-10mm-45acp-large-frame-glocks/ I got the R.T. for the G19 with a rifle stock and 16" barrel for a bargain on the exchange. I rather like this set up even is it's ugly as sin lol. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:42:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish they would hurry up with the Glock version |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:45:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: having both - I'm curious why you would say the MP5k has any advantage over one of these? the flux is lighter, has last round bolt hold open, and faster reloads - what would make the MP5k superior? For me my MP5K is select fire where the Glocks are semi only. In in a .gov setting a G18 won't fit in a B&T chassis either. (not sure about the flux compatibility with a G18) While subjective, I also think the MP5K is also more controllable given the roller delay action so even in semi-auto has faster follow up shots (vs. the browning tilt action of the Glocks) Plus even the most diminutive MP5K stocks (like the KES pictured below) provide a much better shoulder and cheek weld to the gun than the little B&T polymer stocks nubs. That said I have never shot a Flux unit so can't say how it compares to the B&T chassis. 
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a couple of Glock SBRs (one in 9mm and another in 45/10) in the B&T chassis systems. The B&T units are well made and do transform a handgun into a very small PDW. They were fun little projects and make for nice plinkers at the range. As for actual real world defensive practicality and the cost (between the host guns, chassis, suppressors, etc) that is debatable. They are honestly really too big to carry in a holster and if you are going with an off body bag carry you might as well take something a little bigger/better like an MP5K or a small AR15 variant. I guess they would fit some sort of under a suit jacket shoulder holster use case but again in semi-auto you would probably be served just as well with a duty handgun in a traditional holster that is quicker to deploy. Just my two cents anyway. http://i.imgur.com/HwevXwQ.jpg A chest holster would be perfect for these, hands free movement, ability to carry a much more effective , very compact, very lightweight weapon that’s quickly deployed. Only a tiny bit larger than standard gun, but the stock allows much higher % of hits / much higher chance of first rd hits at 50, 100, 150, 200 yard shots vs much, much, much lower / less effective % hits with a stock pistol. A slung 300 blk, or mp5 is still in the way, much heavier, slower to deploy, and these are perfect for a variety of roles where a mp-5 / cz scorpion/ 300 blk ar-15 would be overkill, or even weird. Handgun hunting is one example, backpacking is another. You’re getting full size rifle / carbine accuracy at extended distances out to 200 yards with a pistol sized, pistol weight weapon.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: having both - I'm curious why you would say the MP5k has any advantage over one of these? the flux is lighter, has last round bolt hold open, and faster reloads - what would make the MP5k superior? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a couple of Glock SBRs (one in 9mm and another in 45/10) in the B&T chassis systems. The B&T units are well made and do transform a handgun into a very small PDW. They were fun little projects and make for nice plinkers at the range. As for actual real world defensive practicality and the cost (between the host guns, chassis, suppressors, etc) that is debatable. They are honestly really too big to carry in a holster and if you are going with an off body bag carry you might as well take something a little bigger/better like an MP5K or a small AR15 variant. I guess they would fit some sort of under a suit jacket shoulder holster use case but again in semi-auto you would probably be served just as well with a duty handgun in a traditional holster that is quicker to deploy. Just my two cents anyway. http://i.imgur.com/HwevXwQ.jpg having both - I'm curious why you would say the MP5k has any advantage over one of these? the flux is lighter, has last round bolt hold open, and faster reloads - what would make the MP5k superior? Weight alone makes the flux a winner vs the mp5k for a lot of uses, backpacking for example. High chance of firefights the mp5 wins, however… when your needing super light weight, hands free, compact carry for general use where chance of gunfights is very low, the flux offers a lot of advantages. Backpacking, handgun hunting, etc. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 12:15:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Weight alone makes the flux a winner vs the mp5k for a lot of uses, backpacking for example. High chance of firefights the mp5 wins, however… when your needing super light weight, hands free, compact carry for general use where chance of gunfights is very low, the flux offers a lot of advantages. Backpacking, handgun hunting, etc. I don't really see it as a winners or losers proposition. Each system has its own pluses or minuses in terms of size/weight/controllability/penetration/stopping power/etc. That said I would say chest or shoulder carry (or any on body carry) of a stocked semi-auto Glock is a pretty niche role/need for most folks. But hey if it fits a role/need for you I have no issues with that. Personally, hiking I carry a G29, daily carry in an urban environment a 43x, in my vehicle around town or at a campsite I have a SBR AR15. I have never personally felt the need to carry one of the stocked Glocks anywhere but the range. Maybe if I camped/fished/hiked in Brown Bear territory a chest carry of a G20 in a chassis would fit the bill. If I somehow got teleported to Port Au Prince where I really needed a "PDW" and only a PDW sized firearm could go with me, I would take an MP5K (if pistol caliber) or small M16 (if rifle caliber) |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 12:34:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: a problem in solution of a problem in solution of a shill buy an actual pdw Thanks for that useful contribution to this thread.  Here's some more info OP: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Who-SBR-ed-a-pistol-How-does-your-USW-TP-9-Glock-etc-work-now-that-it-has-a-rifle-stock-/51-545550/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/P320-BandT-PDW-chassis-deals-/51-551632/ |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 1:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: having both - I'm curious why you would say the MP5k has any advantage over one of these? the flux is lighter, has last round bolt hold open, and faster reloads - what would make the MP5k superior? I also have both. MP5K is better as a suppressor host for sure, and just generally more pleasant to shoot. Flux does win on size/weight and is also good. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 1:58:12 PM EDT
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One of the nice things about the flux or similar pdw is that it lets a Less experienced shooter get much better much faster. I taught a lot of college age kids to shoot. Can I run a plate rack in 2 seconds with a basic pistol? Yup. Can most people or my non-gun wife? Absolutely not.
Add a brace and dot and suddenly they can. |
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