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Posted: 7/7/2005 1:01:43 AM EDT
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Tag so I can read this during the day.
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Posted: 7/10/2005 12:36:41 AM EDT
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My thoughts also. Don't know how I missed this but I'm gonna have to start on page 1!!!! Oh well, I gotta stay up all night anyway. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 7:36:33 AM EDT
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BUMPAGE.
Why isn't this a sticky? |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 8:54:44 AM EDT
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Close Quarters and Intermediate-Range Variable Optics Comparison Site
I added a few comments and images this morning, but I have not spent a lot of time on this site since the majority of posts in this thread were made. I am very limited in terms of personal experience with all of these optics, so those of you more expert than I please feel free to IM or e-mail (as some have done already) if you would like to make a contribution to the site. 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:04:29 PM EDT
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Recently did a comparison shoot with a EOTECH and a TR21 on LaRue mounts using the same ammo (MK262 MOD1) on the same carbine, TR21 was left on 1.25 (lowest CQB setting ). Targets were 8” plates at 50M, 125M, 330M and a 24”X 24” square at 465M.
50M: no real difference in speed between the 2. EOTECH showed less accuracy with 2 misses (5%). 125M: TR21 faster with better hits than EOTECH (misses up to 40%) 330M: TR21 faster with better hits than EOTECH (misses up to 90%) 465M: TR21 faster with better hits than EOTECH (misses up to 100%) After the side by side was run I benched the EOTECH and reconfirmed the Zero on the 125M steel and tried the other targets again from the bench. The EOTECH would not consistently place the rounds at 330 and 465M their was basically a 5’ cone around the targets ware the rounds would fall. With the TR21 back on the carbine there’s a 99% hit ratio at all distances (on lowest 1.25 power setting). I am not trying to bash the EOTECH I do field them and M68’s for CQB. That is the big issue they are great sights close in but performance falls off past 50M making them less than ideal in the intermediate ranges. Out. 2011BLDR |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 12:18:45 PM EDT
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What a great thread here..I am considering a Recce/Recon 16 future-build and this thread will most certainly help me decide on what to mount on my next upper...
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Posted: 8/7/2005 9:09:29 AM EDT
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Here's a few new TR21 pics. I thought anyone contemplating the purchase of one might be interested.
Optic on a carbine length weapon.  This is my latest view thru shot. Hunt101.com lost my old one. Notice how hard it is to make the amber reticle.  lol. This pic doesn't do the brightness justice with the sun overhead!
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Posted: 8/7/2005 9:39:51 AM EDT
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The reticle picture looks great.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:06:08 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 8/26/2005 8:52:48 AM EDT
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tag to read later.
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Posted: 8/26/2005 9:06:15 AM EDT
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You need to add the Meopta 1.1-4X scope to the list of scopes on your site.
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Posted: 8/26/2005 9:14:08 AM EDT
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I agree, especially after what I read about them on the Meopta thread. The only tough thing about it is that it seems like there are very few people that have actually used one and even less have used one for the the purposes we want this type of optic for. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 10:00:59 AM EDT
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Interesting. That's the first I heard of those scopes. Let me read up and I'll add it as soon as I can. If anyone has personal experience (with it or any other optic), feel free to chime in.
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Posted: 8/26/2005 10:11:37 AM EDT
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tag sticky please!
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Posted: 8/28/2005 10:16:45 AM EDT
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I added some info regarding the Meopta to the Comparison Site. If anyone has any more info, let me know. Anyone play with one of these?
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Posted: 8/28/2005 12:18:54 PM EDT
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Posted a pic of a mounted Meopta in the thread for you to add to the site.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 1:33:16 PM EDT
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For those that actually have the Accupoint, how clear/defined is the triangle reticle? Because all of the pictures I have seen of it, make it look more like a dot than a triangle.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 1:56:48 PM EDT
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The Accupont reticle never seemed as clear or bright to me as on the ACOGs, but that might just be because I'm colorblind and it was hard to pick up the Amber triangle.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:07:52 PM EDT
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It lives
 Glad your back bro. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 4:25:58 PM EDT
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Keep in mind the Accupoint is a DIRECT piece of fiber optic cord. Its not an ethched reticel made to glow... its a piece of plastic. It is not as clear as an ACOG but it is not a dot either.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:33:49 AM EDT
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BTT, because this thread is awesome!
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Posted: 9/14/2005 1:00:41 PM EDT
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lmfao! Hey, you're phone still the same? I got an offer for you that you can't resist BTW, full reviews of the Meopta and Horus Talon upcoming. I've gotta get a camera first, then I'll post my impressions. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 1:29:12 PM EDT
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IM sent with new contact info
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Posted: 9/14/2005 3:39:02 PM EDT
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Is the Meopta the new Meostar with the new coatings or the older generation? |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 4:34:36 PM EDT
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New style with K-Dot. If you wanna check it out in person, I can see if I can have it at the next Reliant show. I'll be there with my concept rifle, which wears a Short Dot in Larue Classic Rings. They're getting traded out for an SPR-E in the next few days.
-Cap'n |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 4:59:33 PM EDT
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You mean the Reliant show this weekend? Id love to check out your concept rifle. 
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:17:29 PM EDT
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Crap, didn't know it was THAT soon, thought it was in October,  . The barrel won't be in until the ABS group buy goes through, but I can be there with everything minus that. Short Dot will still be in LaRue rings, not the SPR-E that it'll eventually wear. I'll see if I can't scare up that Meopta before then. I'll IM you tomorrow with an update.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:20:40 PM EDT
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How does a fixed front sight appear with these low power scopes? Especially the accupoint?
thanks. |
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Posted: 10/9/2005 5:18:05 AM EDT
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At 1.1 x it is just like looking through an Aimpoint - it is quite clear. At 4x, is is a blur in the bottom half of the scope. In between, it's, well, in between .In no case does it actually hinder the use of the scope. If you are focused on the target and aligning the reticle on it, you don't even notice the FSB. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 12:07:48 PM EDT
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+1 for the Leupold CQ/T - same FSB picture, and same result: you just don't notice it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2005 3:59:06 PM EDT
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Hello, I do all my .223 shooting at IPSC targets, 15 - 80 yards. Which is better, Aimpoint compML2 or Trijicon TA31F. The rifle I will mount the optics is a 20" flat top.
Thanks DUCK |
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Posted: 10/17/2005 4:50:17 PM EDT
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Aimpoint is all you need for those ranges. Way cheaper too .
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Posted: 10/17/2005 7:05:28 PM EDT
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I havent looked at every post in this thread but has anyone mentioned or considerd the Leupy 1.5X5 with SPR retical?
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Posted: 10/18/2005 8:33:38 AM EDT
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It's what I use
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Posted: 10/18/2005 1:02:01 PM EDT
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Be sure to try a 1.5X optic before you buy. I do not in any way consider this a CQB capable optic.
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Posted: 10/18/2005 4:13:39 PM EDT
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I agree. I had a Leupold 1.5x20 VXIII and at 1.5 sometimes it was hard to pickup close targets. |
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Posted: 10/18/2005 7:28:20 PM EDT
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I don't know guys, back when I was doing 3 gun, I've seen close in stages absolutely HOSED with Leupy 1.5x5 scopes. I think it's more what your used to... |
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Posted: 10/19/2005 2:52:53 AM EDT
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In my experience it's more a problem of getting the reticle and the target both in focus, more than a problem with the 1.5 magnification. It's kinda tough, but I do pretty well with 2.5 magnification at CQB ranges (I'd hate to have me shooting at me). Not near as easy as 1x would be, but the problem is mainly the fact that either the reticle or the target is gonna be blurry at 10 feet. Same problem I had with my 1.5-5x. |
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Posted: 10/19/2005 3:50:09 AM EDT
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So all the guys in Iraq qith Acogs, what do they do when they got to go in and clear a mud hut, I am sure its cramped in those huts, they reticle would be blurry. |
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Posted: 10/19/2005 7:17:55 AM EDT
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Keep both eyes open. The target is sharp in one eye and the reticle is sharp in the other. Use BAC. You can also switch to the magnified view and if the target is close enough that it is blurry, it probably isn't too important since it will be filling the entire scope. |
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Posted: 10/19/2005 8:27:52 AM EDT
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BAC puts the POI to a different spot than POA and you are correct the TA31 in a mud hot is not an ideal optic, not a CQB optic and does not put POI to POA with BAC. If you want to make that sacrifice when you do not have to that is a personal decision. I would rather use a product that does not have those faults. Thats why I said try before you buy.
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Posted: 10/19/2005 12:23:56 PM EDT
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The distances encountered in a typical Iraqi home are point-shoot distances.
That includes the small enclosed courtyards in the front. No optic necessary. |
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Posted: 10/19/2005 12:51:34 PM EDT
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Everything is a compromise -- just find the best one for your needs (real or percieved)
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Posted: 10/19/2005 12:59:06 PM EDT
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This might be seem stupid. But I have had very good luck closing the front lens cap on illuminated leupolds and using them as occluded eye gunsights. It allows you to target and hit quickly and your eye doesn;t get confused by the magnification.
I have also done this extensively with older aimpoint comps when the batteries start to go or it is too bright outside with excellent results. Certainly not a better solution than a true 1x-4 or 5x optic but I never have seen it brought up so.....there you go. Just a thought. |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 8:20:37 AM EDT
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tag for later
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Posted: 11/7/2005 10:58:33 AM EDT
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Robert2011-
Great looking rig...what mount are you using here? |
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Posted: 11/7/2005 12:03:26 PM EDT
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Thanks...
It's a LaRue SPR. It's actually just a tad short for nose to the charging handle shooting, even with the scope all the forward in the rings, so if I had it to do all over I'd get the SPR EER model which extends forward more. Whenever I look at a new scope now I always have to add the price of a LaRue mount to it. They are that good. |
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Posted: 11/7/2005 8:16:59 PM EDT
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Here's my webpage for reference:
Midrange/Multipurpose Scope Comparisons Horus and IOR scopes aren't on, but can be added. Hope this helps!
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Posted: 11/9/2005 12:08:57 AM EDT
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Please add them. Thanks for the effort in posting the comparison info. This thread should be tacked. |
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Posted: 11/9/2005 3:05:49 AM EDT
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Unless the threat is close enough to touch use your sights or optics. If you aim at nothing thats exactly what you will hit. I don't believe in point shooting. Pat |
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