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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2024 12:21:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pomyluy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FriskyDillo: I picked up a 20" yesterday. Pretty excited to get it to the range this weekend https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936309142_9de9343452_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936308952_5de9154758_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FriskyDillo: I picked up a 20" yesterday. Pretty excited to get it to the range this weekend https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936309142_9de9343452_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936308952_5de9154758_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr That grip looks good on the Hellion, what is it? Originally Posted By FriskyDillo: Oh yeah! I also need somebody to make a bayonet that is keymo compatible  This is a big part of why I went down the A2-compatible route from the outset and never really got into all those other fancy systems.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2024 12:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pomyluy: That grip looks good on the Hellion, what is it? This is a big part of why I went down the A2-compatible route from the outset and never really got into all those other fancy systems. The grip is a LWRC Ultra Combat Grip.  I really like the grip angle on the Hellion and the rubberized snake skin panel helps keep the grip secure. One thing to be aware of is the bolt the LWRC grip comes with is not long enough for the Hellion, so I just used the bolt that was being used for the BCM grip. |
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Posted: 8/22/2024 3:37:39 PM EDT
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Got a new item for the Hellion crew!
Introducing the Hellion Enhanced Bolt Release. An aluminum upgrade with twice the length and twice the surface area to guarantee operation and protect the magazine release all in one! Now available on the Manticore Arms webstore. Sven Manticore Arms  
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2024 5:12:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Got a new item for the Hellion crew! Introducing the Hellion Enhanced Bolt Release. An aluminum upgrade with twice the length and twice the surface area to guarantee operation and protect the magazine release all in one! Now available on the Manticore Arms webstore. Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/hellion_enhanced_bolt_catch_7_edit_600x6-3301512.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_Enhanced_Bolt_Catch_2_edit-3301513.jpg Looks good! If SA ever imports the optic I plan on grabbing another VHS ,one of these and a butt plate. |
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Posted: 8/22/2024 8:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Got a new item for the Hellion crew! Introducing the Hellion Enhanced Bolt Release. An aluminum upgrade with twice the length and twice the surface area to guarantee operation and protect the magazine release all in one! Now available on the Manticore Arms webstore. Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/hellion_enhanced_bolt_catch_7_edit_600x6-3301512.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_Enhanced_Bolt_Catch_2_edit-3301513.jpg When will the butt stocks be back available? |
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Posted: 8/22/2024 8:23:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: When will the butt stocks be back available? |
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Posted: 8/22/2024 10:57:15 PM EDT
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@swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon
I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2024 11:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms I can't wait |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2024 12:10:23 AM EDT
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Is there any indication that that there will be Green 20" models made available?
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Posted: 8/23/2024 7:20:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: I can't wait 
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Posted: 8/23/2024 10:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Armed_Scientist: Is there any indication that that there will be Green 20" models made available? Not that I’ve seen…yet. Have you tried emailing or calling SA and asking them? |
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Posted: 8/23/2024 2:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:43:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms We need an updated trigger... |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 6:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChengSMGT: We need an updated trigger... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChengSMGT: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms We need an updated trigger... It is a pretty complex problem, they really did some crazy stuff with how everything is set up, but I am looking at it. Sven Manticore Arms |
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USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:40:29 PM EDT
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How is everyone mounting lights to their VHS2?
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USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: It is a pretty complex problem, they really did some crazy stuff with how everything is set up, but I am looking at it. Sven Manticore Arms Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Originally Posted By ChengSMGT: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms We need an updated trigger... It is a pretty complex problem, they really did some crazy stuff with how everything is set up, but I am looking at it. Sven Manticore Arms Even just a shorter pull/reset would be a big plus. That's where mine seems like it's lacking. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001: How is everyone mounting lights to their VHS2? I’m seeing them with some sort of extension then cable passed thru the slot to the other side for pressure pad. I would be worried about the barrel getting hot and melting the cable personally. I plan on just running an end cap switch. I’m not tactical enough to need a pressure pad. |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:28:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BSJ]
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My Hellion should soon be on its way back from JARD with their new trigger pack.
Very curious to see what they've come up with... |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 5:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @swampfoxoutdoors @desertmoon I am hoping to have the first of this newest production batch of Hellion Curved Buttpads available in about 30 days, just waiting on anodizing to finish up and then assembly! Sven Manticore Arms Hahaha! I have the only factory version out there that I know of in the wild. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 6:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: My Hellion should soon be on its way back from JARD with their new trigger pack. Very curious to see what they've come up with... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:47:03 PM EDT
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I still want a green 20" Hellion, but couldn't pass up this tan one that was on clearance last week:
 The BCM grip got swapped immediately, and I still need to install a different flash hider for a suppressor. Can't wait to shoot it, it isn't as cool looking as my AUG but I think I'm gonna end up liking it better.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe: Yeah - me too but I found out how heavy it is plus it's not as short as the AUG I am back to wanting the AUG with a suppressor gas plug  Do. It. |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2024 5:12:28 PM EDT
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Got my rifle back from JARD...
It's not a breaks like glass, match trigger. Still has a small amount of creep. Way way less than a cheap mil-spec AR trigger. Feels like a real two stage trigger. 1st stage is a nice 1 lb 4 oz. Breaks predictably, even with the creep. Reset is also quite short. You guys that worry about reset are going to be pleased... Details; OEM: 7 lb 2 oz. 10 shot average. JARD: 3 lb 12 oz. 10 shot average. 54 oz reduction! The trigger housing is billet aluminum. Heavily anodized. Fewer components than OEM. Components appear very much like other after market AR triggers. Of course they went with what they are familiar with... Not sure if it is adjustable. There is a screw. But they didn't send any instructions... The sample of one is well executed. I'm glad I had a hand in getting the ball rolling. No idea what they'll charge. But there is surely quite a bit of machine time involved. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 7:57:18 PM EDT
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Was it easy to install?
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 6:26:57 AM EDT
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One for one replacement of the entire trigger pack.
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 2:36:21 PM EDT
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After about 100 live fire shots and some oil on the sear, the average pull for 10 shots in 3lb 10oz. Previous measurements were straight from the box.
Dean of JARD says it might be a while before they get them onto the market... |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 3:19:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: Got my rifle back from JARD... It's not a breaks like glass, match trigger. Still has a small amount of creep. Way way less than a cheap mil-spec AR trigger. Feels like a real two stage trigger. 1st stage is a nice 1 lb 4 oz. Breaks predictably, even with the creep. Reset is also quite short. You guys that worry about reset are going to be pleased... Details; OEM: 7 lb 2 oz. 10 shot average. JARD: 3 lb 12 oz. 10 shot average. 54 oz reduction! The trigger housing is billet aluminum. Heavily anodized. Fewer components than OEM. Components appear very much like other after market AR triggers. Of course they went with what they are familiar with... Not sure if it is adjustable. There is a screw. But they didn't send any instructions... The sample of one is well executed. I'm glad I had a hand in getting the ball rolling. No idea what they'll charge. But there is surely quite a bit of machine time involved. Interesting. So ill throw in the BillSpringfield info as a direct comparison as that is what was done to my Hellion. Is there anything done to reduce the overtravel of the trigger on the Jard triggerpack? After work from Bill there is now 2 distinct stages (Instead of 3 kinda mushy ones). 1st stage is 3 lbs on average. Second stage gets super light at 1lb 2 oz. No creep. Reset is the same changed and was always short (Shorter when I put in my own over-travel stop). BillTrigger Work: 4 lb 2 oz. 10 pull average. Sounds like the Jards overall trigger pull is lighter but not by much.Which is similar to Bills work on the MDR trigger vs Jard.. |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 6:08:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Interesting. So ill throw in the BillSpringfield info as a direct comparison as that is what was done to my Hellion. Is there anything done to reduce the overtravel of the trigger on the Jard triggerpack? After work from Bill there is now 2 distinct stages (Instead of 3 kinda mushy ones). 1st stage is 3 lbs on average. Second stage gets super light at 1lb 2 oz. No creep. Reset is the same changed and was always short (Shorter when I put in my own over-travel stop). BillTrigger Work: 4 lb 2 oz. 10 pull average. Sounds like the Jards overall trigger pull is lighter but not by much.Which is similar to Bills work on the MDR trigger vs Jard.. No noticeable overtravel. I just went to check to be sure. Wasn't something that crossed my mind when shooting... Given that you can't get replacement trigger parts from Springfield, I was hesitant to send it to someone for modification... |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 6:10:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: No noticeable overtravel. I just went to check to be sure. Wasn't something that crossed my mind when shooting... Given that you can't get replacement trigger parts from Springfield, I was hesitant to send it to someone for modification... Yea..I clearly wasnt worried about that. Done it before. But at least now I have an option for a Jard..if something breaks..though I doubt ill need to. You got a video pulling the trigger with the Jard in? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:14:48 AM EDT
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I haven't been following along closely. Where can I get these triggers?
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: I haven't been following along closely. Where can I get these triggers? The Jard is a complete trigger pack change..Price and release date pending. BillSpringfield will work on your factory trigger pack. |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:08:32 PM EDT
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Does it work?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zYUgineyk&feature=youtu.be |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: Does it work? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zYUgineyk&feature=youtu.be Hyperlink doesnt but it does work.  VHS 2 JARD TRIGGER |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:51:18 AM EDT
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My VHS-2 is now complete after the tape switch and tail cap for my Surfire came in.
 Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on FlickrNow to paint  Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on FlickrAnd an OAL comparison to my 11.5" AR  Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 3:54:23 PM EDT
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That is a badass paint job!
And I dig the flash hiders with the oxidized copper. That's the mark of a lot of suppressed love.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:18:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: That is a badass paint job! And I dig the flash hiders with the oxidized copper. That's the mark of a lot of suppressed love. Thanks! One of my coworkers said it's my best work so far. Apparently, the key is a couple of glasses of Willet to get the creative juices flowing |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FriskyDillo: And an OAL comparison to my 11.5" AR https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53998573827_9a5a81bbfc_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Great comparison. Is that the 18" or 20" VHS-2? |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Great comparison. Is that the 18" or 20" VHS-2? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By FriskyDillo: And an OAL comparison to my 11.5" AR https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53998573827_9a5a81bbfc_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Great comparison. Is that the 18" or 20" VHS-2? It's the 20". The 18" does not have the bayonet lug and finned barrel. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FriskyDillo: It's the 20". The 18" does not have the bayonet lug and finned barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FriskyDillo: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By FriskyDillo: And an OAL comparison to my 11.5" AR https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53998573827_9a5a81bbfc_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Great comparison. Is that the 18" or 20" VHS-2? It's the 20". The 18" does not have the bayonet lug and finned barrel. Awesome. May have to snag that version... |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Hyperlink doesnt but it does work.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zYUgineykLooks like a big improvement. Still in the R&D phase I take it? |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Looks like a big improvement. Still in the R&D phase I take it? Apparently not. They seemed satisfied with the results. In the end, not as communicative as I thought they might be. Not sure what to make of that... |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: Apparently not. They seemed satisfied with the results. In the end, not as communicative as I thought they might be. Not sure what to make of that... REAL interested in this JARD trigger. Not real keen on sending off a trigger group I can't replace if it gets lost in the mail. Please keep us posted if you know anything about them going into production! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2024 12:35:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: Apparently not. They seemed satisfied with the results. In the end, not as communicative as I thought they might be. Not sure what to make of that... What are your thoughts on it? Worth the upgrade? |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2024 10:00:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: What are your thoughts on it? Worth the upgrade? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Originally Posted By BSJ: Apparently not. They seemed satisfied with the results. In the end, not as communicative as I thought they might be. Not sure what to make of that... What are your thoughts on it? Worth the upgrade? I do. Wasn't terrible before. Certainly usable. But now it’s a predictable two stage with a fairly light, <4lb pull. |
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Posted: 9/23/2024 4:12:26 PM EDT
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There's probably only a small group of people that actually care at this point, but I contacted Springfield to see if I sent my early 16" rifle back in if they'd convert the original gen safety to the newer style (not for free mind you, I offered to pay) and they said no. So much for being lazy.
Manticore or nothing, baby! I should probably buy one before they get discontinued given their limited market, ha. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2024 4:53:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: I do. Wasn't terrible before. Certainly usable. But now it’s a predictable two stage with a fairly light, <4lb pull. Awesome. I'll be keeping an eye on the JARD site for it to go live. The staple gun trigger is definitely my biggest qualm with the platform. |
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Posted: 9/24/2024 1:55:04 PM EDT
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FYI, Hellion Curved Buttpads are back in stock, at least for the moment- I expect them to go pretty fast.
 (We have more in the production pipeline right now) P.S. We actually have all our Hellion parts in stock right now- Buttpad, Enhanced Bolt Release, and Enhanced Safety Levers. Sven Manticore Arms 
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Posted: 9/24/2024 8:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: FYI, Hellion Curved Buttpads are back in stock, at least for the moment- I expect them to go pretty fast. (We have more in the production pipeline right now) P.S. We actually have all our Hellion parts in stock right now- Buttpad, Enhanced Bolt Release, and Enhanced Safety Levers. Sven Manticore Armshttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_Curved_Buttpad_6_Edit-3331367.jpg P.S. Gotta send you an IM. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 12:19:12 AM EDT
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Placed an order for one as well.
Now all that mine will be missing is a Jard trigger. |
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