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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:39:01 PM EDT
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I have two SBR MP5K PDWs and the truth is there is zero difference between the stock and the new sidefolding brace....... https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/5_SBT5K_on_MP5K_Right_Folded_Web.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still FATF, but tax free SBRs and all the letters the FATF can handle until Trump is out of office!  Oh wait, I did pay the tax. Repeatably. Will do so again. Repeatably. Don't like the tax but until they take SBR's and cans off the NFA, that is the way it will be done for me because I don't cheap out out of spite when it can save my life being more optimal  https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/5_SBT5K_on_MP5K_Right_Folded_Web.jpg |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:39:14 PM EDT
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You always have been able to shoulder the brace... Unless you built the thing with the idea that you can skirt the sbr law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious question, what does this really mean in the practical use of AR pistols? Am I clear to shoulder my shockwave?o Does anybody know? Unless you built the thing with the idea that you can skirt the sbr law. 
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:39:59 PM EDT
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The need to post the fucking letter.
Their stupid shit is just that stupid shit. Without the letter being published means nothing. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:42:09 PM EDT
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Agreed, I have multiple SBRs and an MP5K setup like above, no difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still FATF, but tax free SBRs and all the letters the FATF can handle until Trump is out of office! Oh wait, I did pay the tax. Repeatably. Will do so again. Repeatably. Don't like the tax but until they take SBR's and cans off the NFA, that is the way it will be done for me because I don't cheap out out of spite when it can save my life being more optimal https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/5_SBT5K_on_MP5K_Right_Folded_Web.jpg |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:42:22 PM EDT
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Huh... The shockwave I have looks pretty damn uncomfortable as a stock, but its good this retardation as been suspended for now. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:42:51 PM EDT
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The need to post the fucking letter. Their stupid shit is just that stupid shit. Without the letter being published means nothing. 
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:43:16 PM EDT
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So will that hold true for other pistol stocks like the Shockwave or Thordsen? Maybe I should email the ATF for clarification. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:44:41 PM EDT
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The need to post the fucking letter. Their stupid shit is just that stupid shit. Without the letter being published means nothing. They will post the entire letter. Many in industry have already seen it a while ago. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:45:05 PM EDT
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I have SBR's and pistols.
The beauty of the pistol is no paperwork needed when I travel.!! Oh and I have 6 shockwave and one Sig brace. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:46:46 PM EDT
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Tim Yan has an article up on it now
http://www.gunsandtech.com/news/tyan/sb-tactical-announces-reversal-atf-open-letter-use-sb-tactical-pistol-stabilizing-braces/ |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:47:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:48:05 PM EDT
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The letter is only addressed to SB Tactical and does NOT cover the other braces such as the Blade or Tailhook. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So will that hold true for other pistol stocks like the Shockwave or Thordsen? Maybe I should email the ATF for clarification. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:48:39 PM EDT
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The letter is only addressed to SB Tactical and does NOT cover the other braces such as the Blade or Tailhook. (I built my pistol with a Shockwave, so that's my completely biased opinion on the matter. )
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:50:13 PM EDT
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Relax everyone. I just sent an email to the ATF to make sure. I recommend you guys do it too. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:52:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:52:22 PM EDT
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Serious question, what does this really mean in the practical use of AR pistols? Am I clear to shoulder my shockwave? Does anybody know? |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:53:41 PM EDT
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Keep in mind the new letter only applies to SB Tactical braces. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Huh... The shockwave I have looks pretty damn uncomfortable as a stock, but its good this retardation as been suspended for now. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:56:18 PM EDT
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The letter is only addressed to SB Tactical and does NOT cover the other braces such as the Blade or Tailhook. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:57:16 PM EDT
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https://www.sb-tactical.com/resources/batfe-letter-reversal-opinion-use/
I guess they want your email address to give out a copy of the letter.... |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:01:47 PM EDT
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Here's the letter: https://app.box.com/s/bednscsqudabbd1sparpxzi8nket0ruw
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:03:33 PM EDT
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MAGA you never Trump homos.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:03:53 PM EDT
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The letter is only addressed to SB Tactical and does NOT cover the other braces such as the Blade or Tailhook. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:04:01 PM EDT
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Great now when I get back from Vacation this new ruling just cost me a whole lot of money, Now I can order the AK Pistol, Scorpion, MP5 and several AR pistol builds that i have been holding off on because i was gonna wait lil longer so I could sbr them.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:05:42 PM EDT
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Tomorrow I'll write the ATF and let you all know when I've successfully fucked this up |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:06:00 PM EDT
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As easy as a new letter of interpretation was made to make it "ok" to shoulder an arm brace.......another letter of interpretation can be made to make it "not ok" to shoulder an arm brace. That's the shitty think about these letters of interpretation.....the ATF can change them as many times as they want.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:12:15 PM EDT
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That sounds.... discriminatory. I get the sense there's a LOT more going on behind the scenes that what we have visibility into. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:12:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:12:46 PM EDT
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Good thing I never gave a shit in the first place  |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:14:01 PM EDT
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Little side question since I will probably get a pistol now. If I get the upper first, and have other AR's does that constitute constructive possession? PSA had a really nice sale on the 10.5 uppers but that's all I want to spend right now, but do plan on getting a pistol lower pretty soon. No SBR would be made but would owning that alone put me at some risk?
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:15:17 PM EDT
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lol I'm sure there are some stamp collectors out there writing angry letters to the ATF right now. To bad there are some that hate freedom |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:16:01 PM EDT
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Trump MAGA!!!!
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:16:05 PM EDT
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Little side question since I will probably get a pistol now. If I get the upper first, and have other AR's does that constitute constructive possession? PSA had a really nice sale on the 10.5 uppers but that's all I want to spend right now, but do plan on getting a pistol lower pretty soon. No SBR would be made but would owning that alone put me at some risk? |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:17:25 PM EDT
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Good thing I never gave a shit in the first place |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:17:46 PM EDT
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Good thing I never gave a shit in the first place |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:19:57 PM EDT
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87% of everything on the internet is bullshit. ~ Albert Einstein
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:20:34 PM EDT
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I use a shockwave blade on my CZ Scorpion, my shoulder is fucked up and the blade helps me stabalize the pistol. Nice to be able to use it for it's intended purpose!!
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:22:55 PM EDT
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With the ATF, their stance is reversed until they decide to reverse it again...
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:23:50 PM EDT
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I can't take all of this winning.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:24:17 PM EDT
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Well shit there goes my last excuse not to have the Evo Scorpion yet.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:25:26 PM EDT
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I just read the letter and its wishy washy at best. It says if you incidentally, sporadically, or situationally? use it on your shoulder your ok. What if you shoulder it more than sporadically or you intend to shoulder it every time(not incidental)
FATF |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:25:39 PM EDT
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Shit, now ima need to build a AR pistol. Maybe with an echo trigger.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:26:29 PM EDT
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Well shit there goes my last excuse not to have the Evo Scorpion yet. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:27:20 PM EDT
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I just read the letter and its wishy washy at best. It says if you incidentally, sporadically, or situationally? use it on your shoulder your ok. What if you shoulder it more than sporadically or you intend to shoulder it every time(not incidental) FATF |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:27:54 PM EDT
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so I have a psa 9mm pistol I can use as an arm brace
great I was holding off thanks ATF I have 4 dogs so I hope they dont get well....... |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:31:37 PM EDT
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I dunno. Sounds great for SB Tactical. But reading this from: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/foghorn/atf-its-legal-to-shoulder-an-ar-15-pistol-equipped-with-an-sb-tactical-arm-brace/
With respect to stabilizing braces, ATF has concluded that attaching the brace to a handgun as a forearm brace does not “make” a short-barreled rifle because in the configuration as submitted to and approved by FATD, it is not intended to be and cannot comfortably be fired from the shoulder. If, however, the shooter/possessor takes affirmative steps to configure the device for use as a shoulder-stock — for example, configuring the brace so as to permanently affix it to the end of a buffer tube, (thereby creating a length that has no other purpose than to facilitate its use as a stock), removing the arm-strap, or otherwise undermining its ability to be used as a brace — and then in fact shoots the firearm from the shoulder using the accessory as a shoulder stock, that person has objectively “redesigned” the firearm for the purposes of the NFA. I think we were better off with the ambiguity. Now it sounds like more constructive intent is on its way. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:33:37 PM EDT
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OST
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:37:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:37:53 PM EDT
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Unless there is a spy drone hovering overhead my property, i will do want i want |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:38:26 PM EDT
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LOLOLOLOL
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:39:24 PM EDT
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People do that?!?! I just wanted a short AR pistol to shoot one handed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious question, what does this really mean in the practical use of AR pistols? Am I clear to shoulder my shockwave?o Does anybody know? Unless you built the thing with the idea that you can skirt the sbr law. |
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