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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:45:52 PM EDT
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OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous Those seven posters are SO powerful, that they can be responsible for Trump winning or losing the election? Maybe you should have sent them flowers. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:48:55 PM EDT
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OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:50:16 PM EDT
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I'm not a political campaign manager This is not a surprise. It's also not a surprise that you missed the little nugget which explains much of what Trump has been doing. That there is a strategy which motivates his actions is now not in doubt. Whether it is a winning strategy remains to be seen. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:53:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:54:00 PM EDT
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OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous
my feelz are hurt Aw I'm disappointed I didn't make the list 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:54:59 PM EDT
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Unsurprisingly, we're on the same side of things when it comes to gun rights. and I salute you for the good work you're doing. But once again, your OP is all about how defeatist are hurting Trumps chance in November....but you remain silent about what you're doing to help Trump in November other than voting and this whiny thread. So.....maybe reevaluate how much weight you put on dumb comments online and consider getting out and doing something other than finding people to blame if he loses? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm also an NRA life member, teach new shooters (not monthly though), am a member of my state's most effective gun rights group, and have converted a number of previously anti-gun people to the 2A side. I've been an active part of this world for 22 years so you can stow that keyboard commando language. But honestly, all that crap is in the past and little is going to matter in November. Voting matters. If your participation in this effort consists of making declaratory statements on the internet that you're not voting for Trump, you're the target of my OP.
Unsurprisingly, we're on the same side of things when it comes to gun rights. and I salute you for the good work you're doing. But once again, your OP is all about how defeatist are hurting Trumps chance in November....but you remain silent about what you're doing to help Trump in November other than voting and this whiny thread. So.....maybe reevaluate how much weight you put on dumb comments online and consider getting out and doing something other than finding people to blame if he loses? I'm not focused on or thinking about what will happen the day after the election. Although if Hillary wins I'll probably take a long, possibly permanent vacation from this site and the internet as a whole...I'll definitely be using my spare time to increase the productivity of my garden. But now, these last few weeks are crucial, and what you see as whining I see as a gentle reminder that it would be nice if we could unite as much as the progressives do. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:55:55 PM EDT
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I'm not a political campaign manager This is not a surprise. It doesn't take a professional campaign manager to know that engaging in Twitter wars with journalists is a bad idea. It's also not a surprise that you missed the little nugget which explains much of what Trump has been doing. That there is a strategy which motivates his actions is now not in doubt. Whether it is a winning strategy remains to be seen. 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 1:57:36 PM EDT
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Guaranteed. If Trump loses, you can be certain that the people who run the Republican party will have their mouthpieces blame that loss on people whom they wish to marginalize. Your hero will be one of those people. For a taste of what would happen to him, see the open letter published by former Cruz donor and supporter Robert Mercer. The remnants of the "TEA party" will also be among those who get blamed as well. The wailing and gnashing of teeth which will follow those attacks will be deafening. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:03:20 PM EDT
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I'm not focused on or thinking about what will happen the day after the election. Although if Hillary wins I'll probably take a long, possibly permanent vacation from this site and the internet as a whole...I'll definitely be using my spare time to increase the productivity of my garden. But now, these last few weeks are crucial, and what you see as whining I see as a gentle reminder that it would be nice if we could unite as much as the progressives do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm also an NRA life member, teach new shooters (not monthly though), am a member of my state's most effective gun rights group, and have converted a number of previously anti-gun people to the 2A side. I've been an active part of this world for 22 years so you can stow that keyboard commando language. But honestly, all that crap is in the past and little is going to matter in November. Voting matters. If your participation in this effort consists of making declaratory statements on the internet that you're not voting for Trump, you're the target of my OP.
Unsurprisingly, we're on the same side of things when it comes to gun rights. and I salute you for the good work you're doing. But once again, your OP is all about how defeatist are hurting Trumps chance in November....but you remain silent about what you're doing to help Trump in November other than voting and this whiny thread. So.....maybe reevaluate how much weight you put on dumb comments online and consider getting out and doing something other than finding people to blame if he loses? I'm not focused on or thinking about what will happen the day after the election. Although if Hillary wins I'll probably take a long, possibly permanent vacation from this site and the internet as a whole...I'll definitely be using my spare time to increase the productivity of my garden. But now, these last few weeks are crucial, and what you see as whining I see as a gentle reminder that it would be nice if we could unite as much as the progressives do. My point is that you're focusing on placing blame on fellow gun owners on AR15.com instead of doing anything to help your guy win...which is a gigantic waste of time. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my feelz are hurt Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous my feelz are hurt Lists are bad and I don't want to get banned.  |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:05:51 PM EDT
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It's up to the Trump campaign to unify the mess they made, not anyone else. Every other campaign I've ever seen has done it, so it's not like this is unprecedented. It starts with not flipping the bird and not holding a grudge against everyone who wasn't 100% with you from the start. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk about defeatism. Most of Trump's ardent supporters on this board have just retreated into excuse making. It's the #nevertrumpers, it's the media, it's Hillary's vote counters. What's with all the excuse making? Making excuses before the contest happens is defeatist to me. and also this. Still calling names instead of trying to get people on board. "Fuck you" is a great way to win people over. Science. It's similar to what has happened in the gun debate. Some people refuse to see logic or reason and just want to shit all over the argument by calling gun owners "stupid small-dicked rednecks." To those people, I say "fuck you" and move on because it's not worth wasting my time. They've seen the data that proves gun control doesn't work but they operate on emotion, not logic. Now enter the Fuck Trump Brigade on ARFCOM. You know what's at stake, you've been reasoned with multiple times, but you continue to post the same attacks against Trump and call his supporters retards, Trumpeteers, Mangoheads, etc. etc. When we don't drop to our knees and beg you to vote for Trump, you say WE are being divisive. If you were going to be "won over", it would have happened long ago when you found a way to stop letting your pride get in the way. So, at this point, "fuck you" is just as effective as anything else I could say to you. It's up to the Trump campaign to unify the mess they made, not anyone else. Every other campaign I've ever seen has done it, so it's not like this is unprecedented. It starts with not flipping the bird and not holding a grudge against everyone who wasn't 100% with you from the start. From what I've gathered from the trump supporters, and really from him as well, is that they don't need our votes to win and it's our job to come to them on our own not their job to influence us to do so. With a lot of the Trump supporters I can only picture Ricky Bobby saying "if you don't chew big red then fuck you!" |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:07:11 PM EDT
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You're the ones who picked a long-time pillar of the NYC Dem establishment, who can't figure out how to shut the fuck up for more than a day at a time even though he has a very good brain and says lots of things, as a candidate this time. Even Yeb would have been both a better candidate and a better President than Mango Messiah. Another one who can't read. I picked Cruz for the primary. That being said. It is now either Hitlery or Trump. The liberaltarian douche or any of the wanna-be Bernouts are NOT going to be elected. But go ahead and keep attacking the one who isn't totally against your freedoms What a bunch of dumb-asses |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:08:04 PM EDT
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Those seven posters are SO powerful, that they can be responsible for Trump winning or losing the election? Maybe you should have sent them flowers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous Those seven posters are SO powerful, that they can be responsible for Trump winning or losing the election? Maybe you should have sent them flowers. If I had only known my awesome power to sway public opinion, Almost Human would be starting Season 2.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:08:52 PM EDT
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I believe trump will lose but I will happily eat crow.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:09:59 PM EDT
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At this point, they have to keep up their shtick because they've been so critical of Trump since the beginning. If he wins, they look incredibly stupid. If he loses, they are vindicated. It comes down to personal pride. When Trump wins, and after he's sworn in as President, the usual gang will keep on bitching about him. The #NeverTrump thread will become GD's little slice of Glenn Beck and Mark Levin heaven. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:11:55 PM EDT
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If Trump loses, I will place the blame directly on the shoulders of the #NeverTrumpers and #GOPe types. We all held our noses and actually supported the last two cycles' shitty candidates. Yeah we may not have turned out in record numbers, but we didn't actively campaign against them or outright support the other candidate. Fuck you guys, I despise you even more than the libtards Fucking spare me. Trump's biggest flaw is that he is Trump. Undisciplined, incoherent, and inconsistent. I thought Gingrich was the king of campaign fuckups, but DT has him beat |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:14:48 PM EDT
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When Trump wins, and after he's sworn in as President, the usual gang will keep on bitching about him. The #NeverTrump thread will become GD's little slice of Glenn Beck and Mark Levin heaven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At this point, they have to keep up their shtick because they've been so critical of Trump since the beginning. If he wins, they look incredibly stupid. If he loses, they are vindicated. It comes down to personal pride. When Trump wins, and after he's sworn in as President, the usual gang will keep on bitching about him. The #NeverTrump thread will become GD's little slice of Glenn Beck and Mark Levin heaven. Well if he pushes for raising the minimum wage, single payer healthcare and touch back amnesty of course people are going to bitch. Those people are conservatives, those who will continue their blind support are what's called RINOS. When you support liberal policies that means you aren't a conservative. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:15:20 PM EDT
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If Trump loses, I will place the blame directly on the shoulders of the #NeverTrumpers and #GOPe types. We all held our noses and actually supported the last two cycles' shitty candidates. Yeah we may not have turned out in record numbers, but we didn't actively campaign against them or outright support the other candidate. Fuck you guys, I despise you even more than the libtards This sums up my feelings on the matter, I just wished they would stfu until after the election and some of those trolls are paid by Hillary or Soros to post here. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:26:44 PM EDT
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A LOT of us supported Cruz. But when it came time to play ball he let his butt hurt get the best of him, he can go fuck himself for it. Not a surprise many traditionally Cruz voters are abandoning him like our family is. If he's lucky he will keep his Senate seat, but he will never be president after the stunt he pulled. And no...voters won't say "we should of voted for Cruz" if Hillary wins. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't, and here's why: Cruz isn't the nominee. STOP OBSESSING ABOUT CRUZ! I swear I've never seen people so focused on the last campaign at the expense of the current one. The Trump folks like reminiscing about the good old days in the primary when they still had the MSM in the tank for them... it was more fun I'm sure. If Hillary wins this Fall I'm convinced the first thing out of Trump and his supporters mouths will be "f*cking Cruz!" A LOT of us supported Cruz. But when it came time to play ball he let his butt hurt get the best of him, he can go fuck himself for it. Not a surprise many traditionally Cruz voters are abandoning him like our family is. If he's lucky he will keep his Senate seat, but he will never be president after the stunt he pulled. And no...voters won't say "we should of voted for Cruz" if Hillary wins. They shouldn't say that. It's horrible grammar. 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:26:44 PM EDT
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This sums up my feelings on the matter, I just wished they would stfu until after the election and some of those trolls are paid by Hillary or Soros to post here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Trump loses, I will place the blame directly on the shoulders of the #NeverTrumpers and #GOPe types. We all held our noses and actually supported the last two cycles' shitty candidates. Yeah we may not have turned out in record numbers, but we didn't actively campaign against them or outright support the other candidate. Fuck you guys, I despise you even more than the libtards This sums up my feelings on the matter, I just wished they would stfu until after the election and some of those trolls are paid by Hillary or Soros to post here. Playing devil's advocate, people thinking like this calling for others to stfu yet create and participate in threads as such that just fan the flames failing to STFU themselves In short, you want to bitch, whine and blame anything but Trump for his fallacy without your bullshit being called out and don't want others to create threads calling a spade a spade Reminds me of another well known member who crashed anti-Trump threads months ago claiming that they were just attempts to "stir shit up" while he himself was the very example of stirring shit up by doing such. When I very plainly questioned him to admit such I was told I got an "internet point" Do I get another internet point here? |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:28:29 PM EDT
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Well if he pushes for raising the minimum wage, single payer healthcare and touch back amnesty of course people are going to bitch. Those people are conservatives, those who will continue their blind support are what's called RINOS. When you support liberal policies that means you aren't a conservative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At this point, they have to keep up their shtick because they've been so critical of Trump since the beginning. If he wins, they look incredibly stupid. If he loses, they are vindicated. It comes down to personal pride. When Trump wins, and after he's sworn in as President, the usual gang will keep on bitching about him. The #NeverTrump thread will become GD's little slice of Glenn Beck and Mark Levin heaven. Well if he pushes for raising the minimum wage, single payer healthcare and touch back amnesty of course people are going to bitch. Those people are conservatives, those who will continue their blind support are what's called RINOS. When you support liberal policies that means you aren't a conservative. It's odd that so many RINO GOPe'rs in the party are actively opposing their nominee. You know, the RINOs that don't vote against anything Ohole brings, funded Ohole-care, and are just hunky dory about millions of illegal aliens and, I presume, Sunni terrorists crossing into the US via Mexico. The RINOs sound just like the Democrats, and they are #NeverTrump. Hhhmmmm. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:33:28 PM EDT
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The Electoral College determines elections.
Trump needs to do really well in the swing states. I don't think he has the numbers currently to win. I make predictions for a living. The data do not point toward a Trump win. Stating current facts is not being defeatist. It is making an accurate assessment of the situation as it stands today. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:35:25 PM EDT
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OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Blame the morons who voted for him in the primary. Responsibility where responsibility is due. 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:38:59 PM EDT
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It's odd that so many RINO GOPe'rs in the party are actively opposing their nominee. You know, the RINOs that don't vote against anything Ohole brings, funded Ohole-care, and are just hunky dory about millions of illegal aliens and, I presume, Sunni terrorists crossing into the US via Mexico. The RINOs sound just like the Democrats, and they are #NeverTrump. Hhhmmmm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At this point, they have to keep up their shtick because they've been so critical of Trump since the beginning. If he wins, they look incredibly stupid. If he loses, they are vindicated. It comes down to personal pride. When Trump wins, and after he's sworn in as President, the usual gang will keep on bitching about him. The #NeverTrump thread will become GD's little slice of Glenn Beck and Mark Levin heaven. Well if he pushes for raising the minimum wage, single payer healthcare and touch back amnesty of course people are going to bitch. Those people are conservatives, those who will continue their blind support are what's called RINOS. When you support liberal policies that means you aren't a conservative. It's odd that so many RINO GOPe'rs in the party are actively opposing their nominee. You know, the RINOs that don't vote against anything Ohole brings, funded Ohole-care, and are just hunky dory about millions of illegal aliens and, I presume, Sunni terrorists crossing into the US via Mexico. The RINOs sound just like the Democrats, and they are #NeverTrump. Hhhmmmm. Obviously there are two types of RINO, them, and you. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:45:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had only known my awesome power to sway public opinion, Almost Human would be starting Season 2. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous Those seven posters are SO powerful, that they can be responsible for Trump winning or losing the election? Maybe you should have sent them flowers. If I had only known my awesome power to sway public opinion, Almost Human would be starting Season 2. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:48:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you recall a modern candidate as supportive as the 2nd Amendment as what we have now? I can't. And if that doesn't impact you enough to GOTV, might as well go back to brushing that high horse in hopes for November. Hell. You live in a battleground state. TLDR: OP is right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the electoral college and demographics, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. Can you recall a modern candidate as supportive as the 2nd Amendment as what we have now? I can't. And if that doesn't impact you enough to GOTV, might as well go back to brushing that high horse in hopes for November. Hell. You live in a battleground state. TLDR: OP is right. ...And the duped choose to remain duped. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:55:34 PM EDT
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Playing devil's advocate, people thinking like this calling for others to stfu yet create and participate in threads as such that just fan the flames failing to STFU themselves In short, you want to bitch, whine and blame anything but Trump for his fallacy without your bullshit being called out and don't want others to create threads calling a spade a spade Reminds me of another well known member who crashed anti-Trump threads months ago claiming that they were just attempts to "stir shit up" while he himself was the very example of stirring shit up by doing such. When I very plainly questioned him to admit such I was told I got an "internet point" Do I get another internet point here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:58:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...And the duped choose to remain duped. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the electoral college and demographics, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. Can you recall a modern candidate as supportive as the 2nd Amendment as what we have now? I can't. And if that doesn't impact you enough to GOTV, might as well go back to brushing that high horse in hopes for November. Hell. You live in a battleground state. TLDR: OP is right. ...And the duped choose to remain duped. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:05:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:05:29 PM EDT
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When you say he's "saying the right things," are you referring to his recent AWESOME Tweets about the possible affair between Joe and Mika? Do you know it's false? 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:06:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a fair statement, but it isn't representative of the posts on this board that represent outright sabotage of the campaign. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think trump will lose, I'll vote anyway, waste of time in Ny but it's the principle. If my saying that makes an adult man distraught he needs to toughen up. That's a fair statement, but it isn't representative of the posts on this board that represent outright sabotage of the campaign. LOL WUT? The only guy 'sabotaging' Don Trump at this point is Don fucking Trump. Good grief. Are you people for real? Are you watching the same fucking election that everyone else is? |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:07:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:08:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:10:47 PM EDT
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I was under the impression that it was DU trolls and paid shills that post about how "it's over, Hillary is gonna win" because the posts are so over the top and imply there is no use doing anything but staying home and crying. And now here we are arguing about it.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:11:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:12:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:15:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:17:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:34:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:34:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:37:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:39:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:43:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:45:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:46:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Guys, WTF? I've been web surfing since around 1999. The nation, and the gun / conservative groups I identify with, have gone through some tough times since then. 9/11 obviously, but also the dark days of the AWB, the uncertainty of whether AWB would actually sunset, years 2004-2007 of the Iraq War, Sandy Hook, and multiple critical elections (some won, some lost). Throughout all those tough times that I remember in part through the lens of reading stuff people write on the internet, I've never seen so much defeatism from so-called American Men as what I see now. From reading this and other boards, apparently its all over. Hillary will win because polls, and even if the polls change voter fraud is guaranteed. It's pitiful: take away the endorphins from your guy being in the lead, and people just can't handle the uncertainty. The problem is, it's not just venting, people are now trying to convince others that Trump doesn't have a chance. It's a weird, creepy social dynamic in play and I'm calling out about a third of the active posters in GD, including some of the site staff. Sure, some of you are Mobys or GOPe operatives with your own motives, but some of you guys are just mentally defeated. It's pitiful. Do you like the thought of recruiting more people into your "Trump's gonna lose and we're all screwed" club? Are you looking forward, the day after the election, to being able to reference an internet post you made months ago "predicting" a Hillary win? Do you draw comfort from being on what you think is the safest path towards...towards what? Being right on the internet?  All you defeatists should man up, for your own sake and the sake of your kids who are taking lessons from you. If you think it's so hopeless that you're not even going to bother to vote on election day, at least have the courage to stay home in silence and be alone in your fear, instead of running away yelling that other people should join you. I've seen this before OP. I was once a member of a Long Island gun owners site and then one day came the election battle between andy cuomo and carl paladino. paladino was somewhat similiar to trump, shooting from the lip and all and we had the same arguments there as we are here. many members laughed and scoffed at crazy carl. the rest is history. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:49:27 PM EDT
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OP thinks positive thinking wins elections. First, I've yet to see anyone on this board say they will stay home or vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump. Trump supporters keep implying that the board is full of these folks, but I've yet to see one. This is an example of the imaginary world die-hard Trump supporters inhabit. Second, people who think Trump is likely to lose (like me) think that way because of the effect of recent demographic changes on the electoral college, not because of polls. If you acknowledge reality, you understood from day one that Trump has always had to draw an inside straight to win the presidency. The presidential race is not the place to get behind long-shot candidates. Like it or not, reality says the presidency is now won with middle of the road voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. Trump supporters blaming the polls, the media, and other likely Trump votes for the effect of demographic and systemic facts on Trump's chances is another example of their denial of reality. And before you say, "well McCain and Romney lost, so that proves middle-of-the-road candidates can't win," McCain's and Romney's losses do not prove that. George W. Bush and his father before him were middle-of-the-road candidates. Reagan, who was elected 32 years ago, was the last semi-conservative president. Even he was big-government. The demographics of the electoral college have changed dramatically over those 32 years. Indeed, the voters who will decide this election weren't even old enough to vote then. McCain's and Romney's losses show nothing more than how far behind Republicans start in presidential elections now. Any Republican is a long-shot. Supporting presidential candidates that only appeal to the base in states the Republicans will anyway just doesn't make any sense. In short, if Trump gets destroyed in the election don't blame the majority of Republican primary voters who voted against him. Sydney1629 Forker Top Secret RarestRX Badfish1969 Polymorphous You guys like to make list, It reminds me of other groups, that like to make list of people they did not like.
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