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Trump's biggest accomplishment was showing us what a waste of time being the POTUS is for our side.
What did he really accomplish? The entirety of DC... Dems, Rs, the bureaucracy, the media, the intelligence community, all hamstrung him from Day 1.
After maybe 6 months in office, Biden (or those behind him) had erased almost all evidence that Trump was even there for four years.
DeSantis won't be any different. The Swamp is already compiling the dossier that will cripple his Presidency before it even begins.

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Pushing Disney's shit in is a baby step in that direction.

Economically, Florida is really just a bigger version of where I grew up before cityiots came.
I've said in threads past.
Fix Florida's economy you don't only have a money printer and render the left irrelevant...you also wind up with pro2A things being done.

How? Why? Simple.
Join the rpof. Attend the meetings. You'll come across retirees, small business owners, farmers/ranchers etc.

One was a charter boat captain. He was proud as hell to support the offshore drilling ban/indoor vape ban because of "if" there's a leak, his business is doomed.
I argued with him and he got legitimately pissed when I said The left thanks you for doing their hard work and heavy lifting for them, you'll come to regret this decision some day.

Fast forward to when the Shanghai shivers kicked off and someone wasn't deemed essential...

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For someone so opposed to welfare and abusing tax payer dollars, someone who vehemently hates the free shit army...
They sure had no issues with signing up for some of that .gov funny money.

Turns out I was right. Twice.
Once for mocking the fuckers business model of hustle during snowbird season then lay-off everyone and budget out the remainder of the year.
Second for watching him piss an opportunity away to use that fucking license to run roughnecks/supplies/equipment etc to the oil rigs off the coast and make 5k each time he fires the boat up year round AND have Muh sport fishinz too.

Second example, a self professed gun rights activist bar/lounge owner.
I support the second!
But...

The but? Open carry. That's too much 2A.
Open carry would scare his customer base. That base? "Back home" retirees, and tourists.

Never mind the mcmansion/hoa builders... how dare you make all that noise shooting pistols rifles shotguns in your back yard! There's anti gun state transplants terrified of guns, neurotic suburbanites looking to upgrade scared of noise/adopting the lefts think of the childrenz bullshit.
If you did it anyway, hoa can make a move and get it shut down.

Most are pro2A until it might impact their wallet and chase away tourist/retiree consumer base.
The folly of a seasonal and agricultural economy.

Shit can a couple dozen beach side condos and tiki bars/lounges, put in a couple ports, ship building yards.
Shit can the HOAs and golf courses for something worth while. Oil refinery. Production plant. Manufacturing. Engineering. Something worthwhile...

Here's what I don't understand.
How come floridabros don't see the opportunity and remain complacent?

Makes no sense to me...

The other argument aside from Muh environmentz left, is that false dichotomy of: if expanding economy and increase industry/manufacturing/production type things, then surely toxic wasteland...

I don't know. There were factories, plants, and mills where I grew up that paid highschool drop outs 40-50k (depending what shift they worked) to start.
Where I live the median income is 43k per household per year.
That's fucking bad.
There wasn't contaminated water, there wasn't polluted soil, there wasn't ash/toxic fumes wafting in the breeze. But if you lemmings insist...

I mean this when I say this.
Build for you and your kids/grandkids. Stop building for them.
Or enjoy your liberal overlords.
As someone who has seen and experienced their fuckery first hand, when I speak of back home it's not a brag/flex. It's a fucking warning.

3 things they hate
1. Jobs that pay. Hence why Muh fight for 15 passed here.
Keep building for them. Keep asking where's all the good workers. Bro, nobody but illegals and junkies are going to be grooming those lawns for 10 bucks an hour in this heat and humidity. They'll laugh their ass off and go sling coffee at starcucks and tacos at taco bell for 15 per hour.
But you knew this...right?

What is lending credibility wholesale to the left?
Low wage shit tier jobs. Breeds free shit army recruits.

2. Jobs that pay AND don't demand a degree.
One thing the left is prouder than a peacock for, is owning academics.
Boomers and commies both love Muh degreez.
Both are ignorant to the debt associated with it.

Which is why I practice what I preach for 2 reasons.
Don't lend credibility to the left in free shit army recruits/Muh debt forgiveness.
Don't lend credibility to the left in know it all because Muh degree doh, but knows fuck all and can't fix a sandwich let alone a wheel barrow never mind a gas/diesel.

3. Energy.
I didn't support banning off shore drilling.
I'm not scared of an "if".
I'm not bothered by viewing oil rigs from the beach, in fact... that would improve the view. I'd be looking out at money printers going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Muh viewz! Reee! Go retire to lawngisland, California then.

I live less than 10 miles away from a nuke reactor. That doesn't scare me.
If there was a way to have one of my own, I would.
I'd have a reactor in the back yard, powering the house, pool, and an oil pump in the front yard and a refinery in the side yard.
Hell, maybe even an electric arc smelting furnace on the other side of the yard to make steel/aluminum/brass etc.

If you think that's crazy...
Consider this.
Environmentalmidgets banned offshore drilling for oil in Florida.
Both left and right.
You say antifa and blm is the lefts useful idiots. Try again. Try old money busy body neurotic cunts that fly Trump flags, convinced you can't have nice things or domestic manufacturing/production because toxic wasteland.

You'd be surprised to find out how many are in fact I support the 2nd BUT. When it comes to $ or the potential to lose $.
Complacency reigns supreme. Don't go expanding or changing the economy...
There's credibility to lend wholesale to left. God fucking forbid we go scaring the tourists and retirees...or Muh viewz Muh environmentz and other irrelevant feelz noises.

Fix the states economy. You will have pro2A things.
Keep it hobbled by Muh Disney Tropicana tourismz hospitality/customer service, and the only thing being manufactured in measurable quantity being mcmansions and tract homes... yeah... You'll get to see what I fought against and lost to back home...

No reason that charter boat Cap'n couldn't mount quad 50s on that center console and towed junk boats out for tourists to annihilate and become reef.
No reason he couldn't run both sport fishing and contract for exxon or whoever has rigs drilling out there.

Complacency. It kills.
There's a major folly with a seasonal economy...
Leaves the door wide open for the left to come a running promising free shit for votes.
While reducing your rights to subjective privileges at best.

Fix the economy? You might have something closer to what the founding fathers intended in regards to a 2A.

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If the GOP really wants to fuck them, they'd revisit copyright laws.

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Nope, its just being brought to light.  Disney opened their dick holsters and people started looking.  Crony Capitalism should be stamped out wherever it exists.

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It’s not some big secret. Here’s a news story from 1996:
https://apnews.com/article/ef538f49019a2fc76db1142865735c68
“They emphasized that Disney’s 24,000-acre resort that straddles two counties is an autonomous district created by the Florida Legislature in 1967, with powers similar to city and county governments.”

Taking action on an issue that has nothing to do with the other issue is crony capitalism. It’s just crony capitalism that you agree with.

If Disney had not said anything about this bill, would anyone be talking about changing the 1967 agreement?  No.

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As an outsider, Trump was especially despised, but I still believe DeSantis could expect at least half the Republicans to obstruct him. Then you have the FBI, the media, etc, etc...

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Horseshit.  People have been talking about this for DECADES.  I have been all for taking away this status for the last twenty years.

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No, the concern is that Disney spoke out against a bill. As punishment, the government is threatening retribution. One could even make an argument that the government is trying to restrict free speech.

You’re being intellectually dishonest.

If your church was very public about being pro-life and the government decided to threaten to remove the non-profit status unless the church shut up, would you be okay with that?

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We've all seen how vindictive liberals are... wouldn't surprise me to see Disney move to GA as a giant FU.  
They could afford it, and they love to waste money on woke-ism

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I'm just about at the point I'd vote for DeSantis over Trump.

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Sorry guys, but I don't agree.

Be consistent with your ideals.

Government is bad, right?  Freedom of speech is good. Just because you like this governmental action doesn't mean people can't have other opinions. Punishing Disney isn't appropriate.

I'm indifferent on the law. Government is restricting government. If parents want to teach their kids about sex at an early age, this isn't stopping them from talking to their own kids. It should not apply to private schools (I don't know whether it does). But Disney's arrangement is a whole separate thing. If the arrangement needs to be revisited for legitimate reasons, go ahead. This isn't a legitimate reason.

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That's a pretty big card to pull here, for the those that don't live in the Florida-land.

First of all, I don't care what they do, Disney isn't leaving Florida.  It's unthinkable as moving the Empire State Building out of Manhattan.  Logistically, what a nightmare.  And financially?  Disney could afford it, but picking that sweet-spot would be tough and there's no reason to believe that any other place on the east coast (that mostly good weather 365) is going to be any better to them in the long run.   So they aren't moving out.  No way.

That said, this will be sending some shockwaves through the upper levels of Disney right now.  They LOVE the arrangement they have at the moment, and it's one of the very core reasons they can operate as they do.  Autonomy is at the core of their model down there.  Yeah, they can operate within Orange County schemes if need be, but they really aren't like the other theme parks in the area.  Disney is into everything in their own little enclave.  Hotel design and development, policing and fire, waste management, their own permitting to some extent...they get away with it all.  And they love that.

The problem for them now is "how do we respond to this?"  DeSantis really did find a tender spot for them on this, even if they won't acknowledge it publicly.  The problem for them is that they can't come out and say "You know what?  We were wrong.  LGBTQ people can't force their values or lifestyle into the school system.  We support parental rights."  They've so talked themselves into a corner with all this "what's right is right" kumbaya stuff that they can't talk their way back out of it without getting slammed by the people who currently support them.

They can try to say "well, if the state repeals our self-governance, so be it.  That's a price we're willing to pay to pursue our agenda".  But I'm not sure they're really prepared for that reality.  This isn't just financial stuff on a ledger, where they can say "we lost that $2 billion in the name of progressive values."  This actively affects their operations significantly to the point where they have to re-think how they actually run their facilities on the ground here and get further consultations from the government about future changes.  It's a big deal.

I'm just not sure how they can avoid this at this point, unless they get ahold of a bunch of spineless republicans in the legislature.  That's probably their best approach, because there are a lot of those unfortunately.

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I'm just not sure how they can avoid this at this point, unless they get ahold of a bunch of spineless republicans in the legislature.  That's probably their best approach, because there are a lot of those unfortunately.

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That's a pretty big card to pull here, for the those that don't live in the Florida-land.

First of all, I don't care what they do, Disney isn't leaving Florida.  It's unthinkable as moving the Empire State Building out of Manhattan.  Logistically, what a nightmare.  And financially?  Disney could afford it, but picking that sweet-spot would be tough and there's no reason to believe that any other place on the east coast (that mostly good weather 365) is going to be any better to them in the long run.   So they aren't moving out.  No way.

That said, this will be sending some shockwaves through the upper levels of Disney right now.  They LOVE the arrangement they have at the moment, and it's one of the very core reasons they can operate as they do.  Autonomy is at the core of their model down there.  Yeah, they can operate within Orange County schemes if need be, but they really aren't like the other theme parks in the area.  Disney is into everything in their own little enclave.  Hotel design and development, policing and fire, waste management, their own permitting to some extent...they get away with it all.  And they love that.

The problem for them now is "how do we respond to this?"  DeSantis really did find a tender spot for them on this, even if they won't acknowledge it publicly.  The problem for them is that they can't come out and say "You know what?  We were wrong.  LGBTQ people can't force their values or lifestyle into the school system.  We support parental rights."  They've so talked themselves into a corner with all this "what's right is right" kumbaya stuff that they can't talk their way back out of it without getting slammed by the people who currently support them.

They can try to say "well, if the state repeals our self-governance, so be it.  That's a price we're willing to pay to pursue our agenda".  But I'm not sure they're really prepared for that reality.  This isn't just financial stuff on a ledger, where they can say "we lost that $2 billion in the name of progressive values."  This actively affects their operations significantly to the point where they have to re-think how they actually run their facilities on the ground here and get further consultations from the government about future changes.  It's a big deal.

I'm just not sure how they can avoid this at this point, unless they get ahold of a bunch of spineless republicans in the legislature.  That's probably their best approach, because there are a lot of those unfortunately.

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I'm just about at the point I'd vote for DeSantis over Trump.

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Not possible.  It would take a minimum of 5 years and literally tens of BILLIONS of dollars.

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Sorry guys, but I don't agree.

Be consistent with your ideals.
Government is bad, right?  Freedom of speech is good. Just because you like this governmental action doesn't mean people can't have other opinions. Punishing Disney isn't appropriate.
I'm indifferent on the law. Government is restricting government. If parents want to teach their kids about sex at an early age, this isn't stopping them from talking to their own kids. It should not apply to private schools (I don't know whether it does). But Disney's arrangement is a whole separate thing. If the arrangement needs to be revisited for legitimate reasons, go ahead. This isn't a legitimate reason.

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DeSantis doesn't alienate half the population. I'm 100% to the point of voting for him over Trump.

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I'm just not sure how they can avoid this at this point, unless they get ahold of a bunch of spineless republicans in the legislature.  That's probably their best approach, because there are a lot of those unfortunately.

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For you non-Floridians, even talking about this publicly in Tallahassee is a gigantic deal.

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Yes, the arrangement is a concern, because it's wrong and they never should have been given govnerment powers.

Second, yes, they SHOULD be forced to comply with the new law, (eta and forced to stop trying repeal it) because the law is enforcing something that the government has the right to - it is stopping sex-ed from k-3, when the government not only has no right to teach that to those ages, it doesn't have the right to teach that for anyone and government doesn't even have the right to be in the business of running schools either.

Or government is not just screwed up in the fact that it controls all sorts of things it has NO right to touch, our government also does not do all or even most of the things it should.

The government taking away something from disney they never should have had in the first place (governmental powers) to punish disney for trying to repeal a law that stops kids in k-3rd grade from being sexually groomed is a GOOD thing and should happen.

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I agree.

I think Trump made DeSantis who he is today.

Wouldn't have DeSantis without the example Trump set.

DeSantis is everything good about Trump without all of his flaws.