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Posted: 1/16/2016 7:48:46 PM EDT
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Now that is an awesome Party symbol (fixed it for ya   )
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What does the e in GOPe stand for? GOPestablishment. I just refer to them as Vichy Republicans. https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/trump-lion.jpg?w=640 Now that is an awesome Party symbol (fixed it for ya )
http://<a href=http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x315/giantsfan64/Cruz-Lion_zpsp9kcmuyp.jpg</a> ....too bad Republicans have turned into the left. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 7:59:49 PM EDT
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You may very well be seeing the seeds being planted for such a thing... Non Uniparty supporters have now realized that they are far from alone in their desires. If Trump or Cruz prevail in the State primaries yet have the rug yanked out from under them at the convention, then you will see their supporters realize that a third party is the only way short of blood. I suppose that if everyone that was afraid to vote 3P over the years actually voted 3P it would be quite an eye opener, the uniparty counts on folks buying that a vote for 3P is a thrown away vote... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But they're 50 to 60 percent of the country and they're pissed off. Don't piss them off even more if you expect to survive. All the anger in the world is impotent without a leader and an organization. . You may very well be seeing the seeds being planted for such a thing... Non Uniparty supporters have now realized that they are far from alone in their desires. If Trump or Cruz prevail in the State primaries yet have the rug yanked out from under them at the convention, then you will see their supporters realize that a third party is the only way short of blood. I suppose that if everyone that was afraid to vote 3P over the years actually voted 3P it would be quite an eye opener, the uniparty counts on folks buying that a vote for 3P is a thrown away vote... We'll never learn. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:02:46 PM EDT
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Cutting your nose off to spite your face. Sounds reasonable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Cutting your nose off to spite your face. Sounds reasonable. More like removing a roadblock. So long as the GOPe exists we will have no real conservative small government party. The tea party almost got going and then was coopted by the GOPe and turned into yet another marionette to make soothing noises for the tax cattle (us). So rather than keep playing their rigged game that you will never win he is saying "screw it, let's tear them down and start our own (unrigged) game." |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:08:34 PM EDT
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Because what you want to do right now is make it nakedly obvious that there is, in fact, an establishment within the GOP and that they are more interested in preserving their own cushy positions of power than in representing the people they expect to dutifully vote for them.
...so they can continue to do not much of anything to stop a progressive agenda. Awesome thinking, chaps! |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:11:39 PM EDT
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It's really more like cutting off a body part with gangrene. Whoever the GOPE tries to choose will lose. I will guarantee this 100%! 
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Cutting your nose off to spite your face. Sounds reasonable. It's really more like cutting off a body part with gangrene. Whoever the GOPE tries to choose will lose. I will guarantee this 100%!
This is the whole point. The GOPe and DNC have the same masters, the masters want a dem in the white house for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:11:49 PM EDT
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Given a choice between Hiltary and Jeb "But it's my turn Daddy!" Bush I will vote for Hitlary. I'd prefer and enemy that comes at me rather then being stabbed in the back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your thoughts count for Hillary. Scientific fact. Given a choice between Hiltary and Jeb "But it's my turn Daddy!" Bush I will vote for Hitlary. I'd prefer and enemy that comes at me rather then being stabbed in the back. I understand the sentiment, but that's the nuclear option. That's not "danger close", that's "expend all remaining in my perimeter". Trump is actually a nice halfway measure- takes a poke at the GOPe (who've proven, despite what we might like to think, that they're fine with losing an election) but doesn't burn the place to the ground. As much as it pains me to admit it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Battered Wife Syndrome. The Republican Party counts on it-they know the vast majority won't vote Democrat or throw away their vote on a 3rd Party. Nope,they will grumble and complain and pull the R lever no matter who the candidate ends up being. 80% of the House and Senate get reelected time and time again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hate the Republican Party but there's no where else to go, not unless we adopt some sort of ranked voting system which ain't gonna happen. I'm a hostage to the GOP establishment and I hate it. Battered Wife Syndrome. The Republican Party counts on it-they know the vast majority won't vote Democrat or throw away their vote on a 3rd Party. Nope,they will grumble and complain and pull the R lever no matter who the candidate ends up being. 80% of the House and Senate get reelected time and time again. Lol, not me. If Orrin Hatch and Jason Chaffetz are challenged by any other conservative, I will not vote for them. They have "gone along" too many times with the democrats. Chaffetz signed on to the omnibus bill so he is never getting a vote from me ever again. He also was pushing for converting more BLM land into a national monument, which would eliminate hunting and ATV access. As for the president in this coming election, I will vote for Cruz or Trump, or write in Cruz if neither of those are a choice. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:17:41 PM EDT
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If they cheat Trump, he will become more powerful than they can possibly imagine. First thing I thought of. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:19:21 PM EDT
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Given a choice between Hiltary and Jeb "But it's my turn Daddy!" Bush I will vote for Hitlary. I'd prefer and enemy that comes at me rather then being stabbed in the back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Your thoughts count for Hillary. Scientific fact. Given a choice between Hiltary and Jeb "But it's my turn Daddy!" Bush I will vote for Hitlary. I'd prefer and enemy that comes at me rather then being stabbed in the back. Ay carumba |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 11:22:49 AM EDT
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Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Hillary Clinton approves. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 11:27:37 AM EDT
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Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. whats in red. The GOPe is no different than Hillary....You eat lead paint chips if you think differently. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 11:38:12 AM EDT
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whats in red. The GOPe is no different than Hillary....You eat lead paint chips if you think differently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. whats in red. The GOPe is no different than Hillary....You eat lead paint chips if you think differently. What's in red does not say "GOPe," he said "GOP." |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 11:45:05 AM EDT
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What's in red does not say "GOPe," he said "GOP." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. whats in red. The GOPe is no different than Hillary....You eat lead paint chips if you think differently. What's in red does not say "GOPe," he said "GOP." Why are you so dense that you can't see they are the same ?? Is this the bus you rode to School: 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 11:51:23 AM EDT
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Trump and Cruz are GOPe and must be defeated by the Democrats?
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Posted: 1/17/2016 12:00:41 PM EDT
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Seriously, if the GOPe does what it wants and manages to kill off Cruz, Trump, Rubio etc and make Jeb the nominee, there will a general revolt, the GOP will cease to exist and Trump will run 3rd party. Hilary is almost toast, I think The Bern wins the Dem nomination. So I predict a three way race between RINO Jeb, Socialist Sanders, and crazy Trump. I can't predict a winner there. Sadly there's a very real possibility this is what we end up with this fall. I think the GOP/e will implode trying to push out Trump and Cruz while backing Bush. I think Trump eventually goes off the deep end with some ludicrous comments so outrageous, even his most die hard Kool-Aid drinkers start to pause. Clinton will get out due to legal or medical issues and we are left with commie freaking Sanders. I think he is just shrewd enough to set up Elizabeth Warren as his VP. That will secure a lot of the female vote and he will win the entire shebang with just a few electoral votes. God help us if we get Sanders in the WH 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 12:21:08 PM EDT
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Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? The death of the Republican Party. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 12:36:36 PM EDT
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Hillary Clinton approves. We are overdue for a party that represents the people, not the special interests and personal gain of politicians. If it takes a few hard years with the likes of Hillary for people to wake up, kick the GOP out, and form a third party who represents us... While then so be it, let's get it over with so we can rebuild and move on. I'd rather it happen while I still have my health and my children are still young so they don't have to put up with it when they are adults. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 12:41:29 PM EDT
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But they're 50 to 60 percent of the country and they're pissed off. Don't piss them off even more if you expect to survive. All the anger in the world is impotent without a leader and an organization. . You may very well be seeing the seeds being planted for such a thing... Non Uniparty supporters have now realized that they are far from alone in their desires. If Trump or Cruz prevail in the State primaries yet have the rug yanked out from under them at the convention, then you will see their supporters realize that a third party is the only way short of blood. I suppose that if everyone that was afraid to vote 3P over the years actually voted 3P it would be quite an eye opener, the uniparty counts on folks buying that a vote for 3P is a thrown away vote... We'll never learn.  https://youtu.be/4v7XXSt9XRMLet's be realistic. Unless a third party managed to win a majority in the House and the Senate as well as the presidency, any agenda other than the one promoted by the people who finance the campaigns of members of Congress wouldn't stand a chance. The new party would have to contest and win nearly every Senate election over two cycles to gain effective control of the Senate ... |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 12:43:51 PM EDT
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We are overdue for a party that represents the people, not the special interests and personal gain of politicians. If it takes a few hard years with the likes of Hillary for people to wake up, kick the GOP out, and form a third party who represents us... While then so be it, let's get it over with so we can rebuild and move on. I'd rather it happen while I still have my health and my children are still young so they don't have to put up with it when they are adults. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Fuck the GOP. That's what I am advocating. Hillary Clinton approves. We are overdue for a party that represents the people, not the special interests and personal gain of politicians. If it takes a few hard years with the likes of Hillary for people to wake up, kick the GOP out, and form a third party who represents us... While then so be it, let's get it over with so we can rebuild and move on. I'd rather it happen while I still have my health and my children are still young so they don't have to put up with it when they are adults. 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 1:12:37 PM EDT
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http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/5/5c/38a.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100829133317 Step One: Elect Hillary Clinton to the Presidency Step Two: ? Step Three: Form a third party who represents us So your plan is? |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 1:14:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2016 1:47:22 PM EDT
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Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to see Trump break away from the GOP and start another party. With the following and energy he has behind him, now is the time. Given that ALL polls show that such a move would all but guarantee a Hilary victory...what exactly are you advocating? Yep, but yeb will bring out the voters in mass to defeat her.  .
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Posted: 1/17/2016 2:49:46 PM EDT
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Support conservatives and work towards their election to office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/17/2016 2:53:48 PM EDT
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So you either refuse to admit that "conservatives" are an issue (not really conservative, establishment runs the show, not representative of their voters, etc...), or you just want to kick the can further down the road. Which is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/17/2016 2:58:05 PM EDT
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If they cheat Trump, he will become more powerful than they can possibly imagine. Years ago the AL Dems had a primary. They decided the winner had received (R) votes (you don't have to register (R) or (D)). They gave the election to their guy. During the general election AL elected the first (R) governor since (R)econstruction. It was the beginning of the demise of the Democrat party in this state. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 2:58:25 PM EDT
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What does the e in GOPe stand for? GOPestablishment. That makes sense. I never knew either |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:01:12 PM EDT
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When they start betraying Cruz, will you be cool with that? Is it Jeb all the way? Because the only reason these shenanigans aren't targeting Cruz, is because Cruz isn't in the lead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's not getting a good deal? When they start betraying Cruz, will you be cool with that? Is it Jeb all the way? Because the only reason these shenanigans aren't targeting Cruz, is because Cruz isn't in the lead. They are too dense to understand this |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:02:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:05:17 PM EDT
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You have no idea of the many ways which the Democrat party and the Republican party have worked together to entrench themselves in the political system. No third party can overcome the built-in advantages. No candidate or party which seriously challenges the status quo will ever be able to raise enough money to be competitive. The people who run the system will make certain of that. See for example, the treatment of "TEA party" groups who sought tax exempt status to enable them to raise money. The Republican party isn't going anywhere no matter how the people who run the party manipulate the rules, no matter how they affect the outcome of the race for the nomination and no matter what the outcome of the general election. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they cheat Trump, he will become more powerful than they can possibly imagine. If they obviously screw him, then sooner or later they're done as a party. You have no idea of the many ways which the Democrat party and the Republican party have worked together to entrench themselves in the political system. No third party can overcome the built-in advantages. No candidate or party which seriously challenges the status quo will ever be able to raise enough money to be competitive. The people who run the system will make certain of that. See for example, the treatment of "TEA party" groups who sought tax exempt status to enable them to raise money. The Republican party isn't going anywhere no matter how the people who run the party manipulate the rules, no matter how they affect the outcome of the race for the nomination and no matter what the outcome of the general election. Very well put. The only way the establishment ends up powerless is when power is TAKEN. They will never....have never ... given up power. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:07:40 PM EDT
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The GOPe is so ineffective and out of touch that I hope Trump wins and fires every one of them. That's the only way the party has any hope of surviving.
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:09:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:15:07 PM EDT
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All the anger in the world is impotent without a leader and an organization. Who is the leader? How will all those angry people organize? How will they communicate? Smoke signals? Semaphores? Notes carried by pigeons? Perhaps you think that passage of CISA without drawing the public's attention by including it in last year's Omnibus spending bill was a coincidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But they're 50 to 60 percent of the country and they're pissed off. Don't piss them off even more if you expect to survive. All the anger in the world is impotent without a leader and an organization. Who is the leader? How will all those angry people organize? How will they communicate? Smoke signals? Semaphores? Notes carried by pigeons? Perhaps you think that passage of CISA without drawing the public's attention by including it in last year's Omnibus spending bill was a coincidence. You can't bring up shit like the Omnibus pseudo budget or CISA on a forum like this. You will be labeled a liberal and/ or a conspiracy nut. You can't use any deductive reasoning. Carpet bombing....wall building....cut taxes.. is what reverberates here..... anything deeper and you are one of them |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:16:56 PM EDT
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So you don't want to elect conservatives, and you think the best course of action is to elect Hillary. Got it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:27:47 PM EDT
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His plan is to sow seeds of doubt and emphasize that JEB or Rubio is preferable to Clinton or Sanders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:29:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:36:10 PM EDT
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And you know that if he did that, it would result in the election of Hillary. Therefore, you advocate a course of action that you know will result in the election of Hillary. Well either Trump or the GOPe are going to break off and run third party. All thanks to the GOPe who will do anything to prevent Trump or Cruz from being the nominee So why don't you blame them. I'm not about to support another loser like McCain or Romney who will be forced on us. Let it burn. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:37:36 PM EDT
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Well either Trump or the GOPe are going to break off and run third party. All thanks to the GOPe who will do anything to prevent Trump or Cruz from being the nominee So why don't you blame them. I'm not about to support another loser like McCain or Romney who will be forced on us. Let it burn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you know that if he did that, it would result in the election of Hillary. Therefore, you advocate a course of action that you know will result in the election of Hillary. Well either Trump or the GOPe are going to break off and run third party. All thanks to the GOPe who will do anything to prevent Trump or Cruz from being the nominee So why don't you blame them. I'm not about to support another loser like McCain or Romney who will be forced on us. Let it burn. Cruz is just there to build up support and then endorse Jeb. They don't have to play tricks to keep him from being the nominee because he is in on it, just like huckabee in 08 |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:43:51 PM EDT
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Well either Trump or the GOPe are going to break off and run third party. All thanks to the GOPe who will do anything to prevent Trump or Cruz from being the nominee So why don't you blame them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you know that if he did that, it would result in the election of Hillary. Therefore, you advocate a course of action that you know will result in the election of Hillary. Well either Trump or the GOPe are going to break off and run third party. All thanks to the GOPe who will do anything to prevent Trump or Cruz from being the nominee So why don't you blame them.  I'm not about to support another loser like McCain or Romney who will be forced on us. Let it burn. Yes you are. You're a Trump supporter. Trump is just another liberal RINO who will lose to the Democrat -just like McCain, and just like Romney. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:45:49 PM EDT
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Cruz is just there to build up support and then endorse Jeb. They don't have to play tricks to keep him from being the nominee because he is in on it, just like huckabee in 08 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:56:51 PM EDT
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Yes you are. You're a Trump supporter. Trump is just another liberal RINO who will lose to the Democrat -just like McCain, and just like Romney. Weird, then why does the GOPe hate Trump so much? I thought they love liberal RINOs who like to lose 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:58:42 PM EDT
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Weird, then why does the GOPe hate Trump so much? I thought they love liberal RINOs who like to lose Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes you are. You're a Trump supporter. Trump is just another liberal RINO who will lose to the Democrat -just like McCain, and just like Romney. Weird, then why does the GOPe hate Trump so much? I thought they love liberal RINOs who like to lose They love their own Liberal RINOs. It's an exclusive club. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:06:16 PM EDT
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If they cheat Trump, he will become more powerful than they can possibly imagine. quickest way to destroy the republican party I can think of. They'll be done. Like disbanded done. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:16:58 PM EDT
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And you know that if he did that, it would result in the election of Hillary. Therefore, you advocate a course of action that you know will result in the election of Hillary. Gotcha. So you are willing to sacrifice your beliefs for the lesser of two evils. I can respect that. I won't be doing that anymore. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:17:26 PM EDT
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/16/tripwire-alert-north-carolina-2016-republican-primary-ballot-example/ The leadership inside the professional Republican party apparatus will never accept Donald Trump as the nominee. Period.
The North Carolina GOP Primary Ballot is yet another indication. Never before in party political history has the North Carolina Republican Party given voters the option of “NO PREFERENCE“. Where do the “no preference” votes/delegates go? To the party leadership of course. What will they do with them? Give to the party candidate. Also note the position of Donald Trump in relationship to Jeb Bush on the ballot......... That bit had best be clearly explained or there will be lawsuits for fraud. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:26:37 PM EDT
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They love their own Liberal RINOs. It's an exclusive club. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes you are. You're a Trump supporter. Trump is just another liberal RINO who will lose to the Democrat -just like McCain, and just like Romney. Weird, then why does the GOPe hate Trump so much? I thought they love liberal RINOs who like to lose They love their own Liberal RINOs. It's an exclusive club. 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:41:44 PM EDT
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A very large portion of Americans still believe in what is known as 'fair play'.
The GOPe may wish to consider that. 
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:42:50 PM EDT
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That bit had best be clearly explained or there will be lawsuits for fraud. Such a suit would probably not succeed. First, that isn't fraud. Any delegate chosen because of "No Preference" votes would be free to make their own choice. Anyone choosing "No Preference" can hardly complain if the delegate makes up his or her mind and votes accordingly. Second, even if it were fraud, courts are reluctant to interfere in the processes of political parties. Third, unless the party rules are changed at the convention there may be more than a few delegates who were awarded to candidates based on vote totals who won't be bound to vote for those candidates, either because they have dropped out or because the rules restrict which candidates' names can be considered. That results from the interaction of state law and the party rules. That's not fraud either. It may be the most interesting convention in decades! |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:44:36 PM EDT
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Gotcha. So you are willing to sacrifice your beliefs for the lesser of two evils. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you know that if he did that, it would result in the election of Hillary. Therefore, you advocate a course of action that you know will result in the election of Hillary. Gotcha. So you are willing to sacrifice your beliefs for the lesser of two evils. I can respect that. I won't be doing that anymore. Neither will I. That's why I support Cruz. I won't support someone who until recently supported banning Assault Weapons. THAT is a compromise of one's principles. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:49:22 PM EDT
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http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/5/5c/38a.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100829133317 Step One: Elect Hillary Clinton to the Presidency Step Two: ? Step Three: Form a third party who represents us So your plan is? Support conservatives and work towards their election to office. That's a great idea, Walter, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fucking watch. |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 4:49:43 PM EDT
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Let's be realistic. Unless a third party managed to win a majority in the House and the Senate as well as the presidency, any agenda other than the one promoted by the people who finance the campaigns of members of Congress wouldn't stand a chance. The new party would have to contest and win nearly every Senate election over two cycles to gain effective control of the Senate ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But they're 50 to 60 percent of the country and they're pissed off. Don't piss them off even more if you expect to survive. All the anger in the world is impotent without a leader and an organization. . You may very well be seeing the seeds being planted for such a thing... Non Uniparty supporters have now realized that they are far from alone in their desires. If Trump or Cruz prevail in the State primaries yet have the rug yanked out from under them at the convention, then you will see their supporters realize that a third party is the only way short of blood. I suppose that if everyone that was afraid to vote 3P over the years actually voted 3P it would be quite an eye opener, the uniparty counts on folks buying that a vote for 3P is a thrown away vote... We'll never learn. https://youtu.be/4v7XXSt9XRMLet's be realistic. Unless a third party managed to win a majority in the House and the Senate as well as the presidency, any agenda other than the one promoted by the people who finance the campaigns of members of Congress wouldn't stand a chance. The new party would have to contest and win nearly every Senate election over two cycles to gain effective control of the Senate ... That's why I have zero optimism for the 2016 election. Why get all worked up when over 80% of the same shit will just get reelected? We're done. |
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