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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:44:31 PM EDT
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So was this the equivalent of bringing a Waffle House hoodrat into a 5 star restaurant with a heart warming story line, that instead ended as predicted??
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:45:11 PM EDT
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WTF kind of debate is this we're having? You asked a question. I answered it directly. I'll repeat my answer: Because of the data, I'm fine with banning them. In light of the facts I think a ban may be appropriate. Why should they not be? Other than dog fighting (which is illegal), what traits to pits possess that other breeds of dogs don't do better and with a better safety record? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Answered above.. I'll repeat my answer: Because of the data, I'm fine with banning them. In light of the facts I think a ban may be appropriate. Why should they not be? Other than dog fighting (which is illegal), what traits to pits possess that other breeds of dogs don't do better and with a better safety record? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:48:44 PM EDT
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I don’t want a government that would enact a ban of a breed.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:58:05 PM EDT
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Shit dog for shit owner.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:00:07 PM EDT
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Will we have pre- and post-ban pitbulls?
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:06:21 PM EDT
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If that was my Husky I would have beat the living fuck out of that Pit !
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:06:59 PM EDT
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What are you banning? How are you defining it? What do you hope to accomplish with the ban? How will your ban accomplish that? What side effects do you think your ban will have? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:09:00 PM EDT
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I don’t want a government that would enact a ban of a breed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:15:03 PM EDT
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What about them? There are millions of dog bites and attacks every year, all in varying degrees of severity from no injury whatsoever to death. By far, the vast majority of them are perpetrated by mutts. Mixed up, muttly, irresponsibly bred mongrels. What's your point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about the non-lethal attacks? What about fatal non-human attacks. If the statistics where more like you describe we wouldn't even have this thread. There are millions of dog bites and attacks every year, all in varying degrees of severity from no injury whatsoever to death. By far, the vast majority of them are perpetrated by mutts. Mixed up, muttly, irresponsibly bred mongrels. What's your point? The majority might be mutts but the most damaging ones are from pits. There was a post on Facebook by a pit rescue group. The dog in question was praised as being "so pretty" and "so sweet" that I would be a shame for her not to find a forever family. But that family can't have any other dogs because she killed the last one. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:18:32 PM EDT
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Simply pass a law that holds the owner criminally responsible for anything their dog does.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:24:39 PM EDT
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Do you approve of a government that bans the private ownership of brown bears? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don’t want a government that would enact a ban of a breed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:02:12 PM EDT
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The idea would be to eliminate the existence of American pitbull terriers (maybe we should consider changing that to "purpose bred fighting dogs to include APTs" in the USA. The goal would be to reduce the hazards faced by society posed by APTs. If there are no more pitbulls then no one can be killed or maimed by pitbulls. I think the side effects will include trailer park tears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you banning? How are you defining it? What do you hope to accomplish with the ban? How will your ban accomplish that? What side effects do you think your ban will have? Furthermore, why are only problems caused by these particular dogs your concern? Is a person less dead if they are killed by another breed? Why not address similar levels of damage with similar legal responsibility and culpability? Lastly, do you suppose less savory elements of society (those most likely to own and produce problem animals) are likely to abide by enacted breed specific legislation? If the legislation works to eradicate this particular breed (as you so desire), what happens to the next breed they fixate on? Do you have a follow up plan? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:02:23 PM EDT
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pitiful
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:09:18 PM EDT
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Are you REALLY comparing dogs to bears? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:30:12 PM EDT
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Why not? It's a helluva lot more fair than comparing them to guns or humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:32:25 PM EDT
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Why not? It's a helluva lot more fair than comparing them to guns or humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don’t want a government that would enact a ban of a breed. However.... A government that would enact and enforce a ban on particular dog breeds, will not hesitate to enact a ban on guns. No conservative Government would allow it. If you doubt this, look at the cities, states and nations that have breed-specific bans. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:36:30 PM EDT
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Meh.
Pete the dog from the Little Rascals was a pit and he never ate anyone....... Pits are have 4 legs and a stronger bite but its no more dangerous than any other large , strong animal. Dog show? Take a walk and see what happens in nature, its far worse than some chewing at a dog show. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:37:21 PM EDT
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So, eliminate the registered American Pit Bull Terriers? Or just dogs with certain features, and if so, which ones? Would people have to prove their dog isn’t a banned dog? How is this enforced? Furthermore, why are only problems caused by these particular dogs your concern? Is a person less dead if they are killed by another breed? Why not address similar levels of damage with similar legal responsibility and culpability? Lastly, do you suppose less savory elements of society (those most likely to own and produce problem animals) are likely to abide by enacted breed specific legislation? If the legislation works to eradicate this particular breed (as you so desire), what happens to the next breed they fixate on? Do you have a follow up plan? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you banning? How are you defining it? What do you hope to accomplish with the ban? How will your ban accomplish that? What side effects do you think your ban will have? Furthermore, why are only problems caused by these particular dogs your concern? Is a person less dead if they are killed by another breed? Why not address similar levels of damage with similar legal responsibility and culpability? Lastly, do you suppose less savory elements of society (those most likely to own and produce problem animals) are likely to abide by enacted breed specific legislation? If the legislation works to eradicate this particular breed (as you so desire), what happens to the next breed they fixate on? Do you have a follow up plan? Look, here's the no-brainer here... Nobody has any protected right to own any kind of animal. If for some fucked up reason a legislative body wanted to ban all dogs of all species then it would not be unconstitutional. You have no protected rights to them either enumerated or uneneumerated. Private ownership of animals is banned all the time. Can dog breeds be specified by genetics? I don't fuckin know. But I guarantee this is a conversation that people well educated on the topic could hash out and figure out a way to solve. Why is it so important to have pitbulls? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:41:18 PM EDT
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Not really. Wild animal vs. animal that’s been domesticated for thousands of years. In that respect, dogs are much closer to human than bears, although you could certainly pick another domesticated animal for comparison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:41:51 PM EDT
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Nobody gives a shit about features or dog shoulder things that go up. It's the combination of size and fighting mentality that make it so dangerous. Look, here's the no-brainer here... Nobody has any protected right to own any kind of animal. If for some fucked up reason a legislative body wanted to ban all dogs of all species then it would not be unconstitutional. You have no protected rights to them either enumerated or uneneumerated. Private ownership of animals is banned all the time. Can dog breeds be specified by genetics? I don't fuckin know. But I guarantee this is a conversation that people well educated on the topic could hash out and figure out a way to solve. Why is it so important to have pitbulls? FWIW, I am a person well educated on the topic. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:42:00 PM EDT
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Pitbull attacked another dog.
Other dog is alive and well and was treated on the spot as per the article. I have concluded that the pitbull in the video was indeed a fake chinese knockoff of a real pitbull. I have seen the chinese at a few dog shows here in the US taking pictures. I thought it was for their new menu but apparently they are cloning our dogs. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:47:40 PM EDT
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Fudge
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your dog may be awesome. I doubt it, but maybe. That doesnt change the fact that pibbles are responsible for the overwhelming percentage of serious dog bites (requiring medical attention or causing death). They were bred for strength and aggression. Full stop. Guns and pit boos is a terrible comparison. My gun does not have free will and cannot spontaneously shoot someone. You're the one using gun grabber logic here. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:51:06 PM EDT
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Dogs, like bears, have no rights like humans do. Pitbulls have been "domesticated" in a manner far different than most dogs. They've been bred to fight other dogs. A sport that is illegal here anyway. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:53:38 PM EDT
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, when are we going to end that fucking breed? Useless fucking animals You do not love dogs if you think a pit is a good dog. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:56:32 PM EDT
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A former employee of mine was let go, partly due to his inability to control his damn dog, or leave the fucking thing at home. I have my dogs at my shop, because it's my fucking shop. I told him on multiple occasions that my GSD does not like other males in his area, and definitely doesnt like pitbulls. I think it's because around here they are the ones always getting aggressive at dog parks, and being the resident overwatch, my boy doesnt like anyone getting too rowdy. I told him to leave the dog at home multiple times, but then, wtf does he do? Shows up with him anyway. The dog is a fucking tank, and literally tackles people when he's excited, using his mouth and all to play bite, etc. That dog is going to hurt someone or get shot for his bullshit, all the while the owner is going to be in the background saying "staaahp" softly with no real influence over what the dog wants to do. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:57:00 PM EDT
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Because it’s not the government’s place to regulate such things. Legislation enacted “for safety and the children” doesn’t ever work as intended and is knee jerk, feel good, useless tripe. FWIW, I am a person well educated on the topic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nobody gives a shit about features or dog shoulder things that go up. It's the combination of size and fighting mentality that make it so dangerous. Look, here's the no-brainer here... Nobody has any protected right to own any kind of animal. If for some fucked up reason a legislative body wanted to ban all dogs of all species then it would not be unconstitutional. You have no protected rights to them either enumerated or uneneumerated. Private ownership of animals is banned all the time. Can dog breeds be specified by genetics? I don't fuckin know. But I guarantee this is a conversation that people well educated on the topic could hash out and figure out a way to solve. Why is it so important to have pitbulls? FWIW, I am a person well educated on the topic. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep ban them and arrest the owners..............oh, wait, I’ im a hypocrite, I’m against assault weapon bans and confiscation because they arent bad in the hands of responsible people, I must unknowingly be an idiot |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:04:58 PM EDT
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I'd stick that filthy mutt with my EDC, rip its stomach open and then kick the shit out of the owner
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:08:45 PM EDT
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Apparently not on genetics if you think pitbulls are closer to humans than they are bears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nobody gives a shit about features or dog shoulder things that go up. It's the combination of size and fighting mentality that make it so dangerous. Look, here's the no-brainer here... Nobody has any protected right to own any kind of animal. If for some fucked up reason a legislative body wanted to ban all dogs of all species then it would not be unconstitutional. You have no protected rights to them either enumerated or uneneumerated. Private ownership of animals is banned all the time. Can dog breeds be specified by genetics? I don't fuckin know. But I guarantee this is a conversation that people well educated on the topic could hash out and figure out a way to solve. Why is it so important to have pitbulls? FWIW, I am a person well educated on the topic. Because that’s exactly what I said. Suuuure. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:10:41 PM EDT
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The difference is you can actually control who a weapon kills.... not so much with the fuck breed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:12:11 PM EDT
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If I may answer this... I'd say in that situation, if the dog was trained to attack on command and the owner gave such a command and the dog followed it and killed someone then, yes, the owner is directly responsible and 1st degree murder is likely appropriate. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a breed of dog that has been consistently bred for it's aggression and fighting prowess (in a sport that is universally banned in this nation) that is suddenly expected to be docile. Yet when it kills or mames someone the owners are inevitably shocked because "he's never done that before." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, when are we going to end that fucking breed? Useless fucking animals You do not love dogs if you think a pit is a good dog. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. ...who should be held responsible for her death? Should the dog be put down? I'd say in that situation, if the dog was trained to attack on command and the owner gave such a command and the dog followed it and killed someone then, yes, the owner is directly responsible and 1st degree murder is likely appropriate. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a breed of dog that has been consistently bred for it's aggression and fighting prowess (in a sport that is universally banned in this nation) that is suddenly expected to be docile. Yet when it kills or mames someone the owners are inevitably shocked because "he's never done that before." Pit-Apologists... how can you not see why this is different than an inanimate object? (gun, vehicle, hammer, frame nailer, etc... ) |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:15:15 PM EDT
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Neither large nor intimidating in appearance. This isn’t a “why won’t they just get something cute and mostly harmless” thought exercise. This is asking you to pick the next badass dog breed they fixate on. Remember the characteristics they’ll choose. Of all the breeds out there with the characteristics they want (that they haven’t already gone through), the pit is the most benign. I’ll go ahead and play your game though, Rottweiler. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:22:06 PM EDT
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No need to fixate on a different breed because the number of deaths by mauling will drop 70%. I’ll go ahead and play your game though, Rottweiler. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neither large nor intimidating in appearance. This isn’t a “why won’t they just get something cute and mostly harmless” thought exercise. This is asking you to pick the next badass dog breed they fixate on. Remember the characteristics they’ll choose. Of all the breeds out there with the characteristics they want (that they haven’t already gone through), the pit is the most benign. I’ll go ahead and play your game though, Rottweiler. And they’ve already gone through Rottweilers. Try again. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:23:27 PM EDT
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Pitbulls are the Democrats of the dog world, ignorant slobbering violent assholes who hate anyone that's not a Pitbull/Democrat piece of shit, and even some who are. They attack for no reason most of the time, there's no sense at all to their attack and no real skill, just pure mindless murder befitting the mental midgetry they personify.
And their owners, much like those who own Democrats (Soros etc) are usually holier-than-thou dipshits who take secret glee in their mutt's violent tendencies. But they do have one saving grace, chickens love feasting on the dead carcass, last one I shot fed 'em for several days and the eggs were especially rich for a week, must have been the extra protein. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:24:06 PM EDT
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I love my pitbull. She is the best dog I have ever seen, loyal smart well behaved. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. I’ve never owned a pit, but I did have two pitbulls try to attack my daughters when they were toddlers. It happened at a park in Lakewood CO when we were just walking through. The pits charged out of nowhere and if it had not been for bystanders and a nearby Animal Control Officer, it would have ended badly for us. I wasn’t carrying that day but have everyday since. FPBs |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:30:16 PM EDT
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Do you own a pitbull? I doubt it. Probably just repeat stuff you read on the internet, like a gun grabber. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:34:56 PM EDT
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I don’t want a government that would enact a ban of a breed. Always wondered. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:35:02 PM EDT
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Yep. Look at how dangerous they are... Here is a pie chart of the fatal dog attacks on humans in the US since Jan 1 2008https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724214.JPG |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not triggered in the least, just amused by how emotional you all get about other people's dogs. Is your desire to kill ALL of these dogs because of hatred or fear? It's hilarious. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:44:32 PM EDT
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Looks like my pug is gonna hafta up her game a wee bit...didn't even make the pie! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. Look at how dangerous they are... Here is a pie chart of the fatal dog attacks on humans in the US since Jan 1 2008https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724214.JPG |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:46:21 PM EDT
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Well bred Pit. Displays all the characteristics of the breed. Probably should have gotten best in show. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:49:13 PM EDT
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Your GSD has dog aggression? But its the pitbulls fault? You said a lot of words but I fail to read about a bad pit in your post, only a dog aggressive GSD Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A former employee of mine was let go, partly due to his inability to control his damn dog, or leave the fucking thing at home. I have my dogs at my shop, because it's my fucking shop. I told him on multiple occasions that my GSD does not like other males in his area, and definitely doesnt like pitbulls. I think it's because around here they are the ones always getting aggressive at dog parks, and being the resident overwatch, my boy doesnt like anyone getting too rowdy. I told him to leave the dog at home multiple times, but then, wtf does he do? Shows up with him anyway. The dog is a fucking tank, and literally tackles people when he's excited, using his mouth and all to play bite, etc. That dog is going to hurt someone or get shot for his bullshit, all the while the owner is going to be in the background saying "staaahp" softly with no real influence over what the dog wants to do. You said a lot of words but I fail to read about a bad pit in your post, only a dog aggressive GSD |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:02:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:05:07 PM EDT
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Hey man, why is your handle "Cincinnatus," yet your avatar is the bust of Caesar Augustus? Always wondered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don’t want a government that would enact a ban of a breed. Always wondered.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:06:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2018 3:17:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2018 3:51:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But but, its the owners not the dogs... Right, pitbull apologists? the one he's owned since she was 8 weeks old is the kind of dog you'd want watching your kids if you were away. powerful, alert, gentle, and imperturbable. then his GF adopted a rescue that had been neglected, couldn't find an owner, and was due to be put down. sweetest dog in the world, but you can tell that fighting is in her bloodline. it's the only way she plays with other dogs--bites leg, bites neck, bites ears, goes back to legs. very careful bite control--she's clearly just playing--but it's absolutely compulsive. and she never got a day's training in how to fight. i love both of those dogs, but i'll never own a pit myself for exactly that reason. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 5:44:59 AM EDT
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Put any pit bull down that shows any inkling of aggression and isolation from kids mandated by law. Must be in a full muzzle and halter in public or near any kids.
We have had several pits and mixes, the above should be required to own one of the unpredictable tickets. I would add Akita also, I don't have experience with the other crazy types. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 6:26:22 AM EDT
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My sister adopted a pit who had the littler removed from the mother because she, the mother of the puppies started killing her own puppies
My sister took in the whole litter and they were cool little dogs. They would even play fight as puppies Her dog is 1 years old now and last time I seen it it was lunging at my daughter who was trying to be friendly with it but couldn't even get close enough for her to pet it. The dog was lunging and snapping her teeth at my girl which my sister explains as the dog is very protective of my sister and does this towards anyone. It wasn't trained to be this way in fact she's getting it trained to NOT act this way but it seems it was hardwired behavior from birth that it's going to have to try to unlearn I'll try finding out how the other puppies turned out but hers was exactly what I would of expected from the breed and cannot be around people unless its leashed and kept from arms reach |
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