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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:49:11 PM EDT
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Do realize that there are also Chinese "advisers" walking around in Syria right now...
What this could do is force us to enact a No Fly Zone over the entirity of Syria and northern Iraq, and have us stopping Russian, Chinese, and Iranian shipments of weapons to the Assad Regime. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With what? The S400 can engage and dispatch the F16 before it even gets into range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper  I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper  With what? The S400 can engage and dispatch the F16 before it even gets into range. On what? Paper? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:49:47 PM EDT
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. Yup Russia has 2 things that keep it borders secure. Nukes and General Winter. We are seeing all that they have to project right now in Ukraine and Syria. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:50:48 PM EDT
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper
With what? The S400 can engage and dispatch the F16 before it even gets into range. On what? Paper? LOL, oh you're one of those guys (if it's Russian it must suck). Even US analysts agree it is one of the most capable air to air systems currently available. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. Also agreed. Erdogan is a POS... but I hate Russia more  The only problem is people here fall for Putin's bullshit, but not Erdogan's. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:52:07 PM EDT
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. hate to point out the obvious but the biggest kid on the block picked up his ball and went home and the goat fuckers seem to be doing just fine in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Seems like we haven't been doing so well our selves. Let me know when we start kicking ass and taking names again and ill share your enthusiasm. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hate to point out the obvious but the biggest kid on the block picked up his ball and went home and the goat fuckers seem to be doing just fine in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Seems like we haven't been doing so well our selves. Let me know when we start kicking ass and taking names again and ill share your enthusiasm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. hate to point out the obvious but the biggest kid on the block picked up his ball and went home and the goat fuckers seem to be doing just fine in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Seems like we haven't been doing so well our selves. Let me know when we start kicking ass and taking names again and ill share your enthusiasm. Sadly true, but America doesn't need to. Turkey seems to be doing just fine  |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dailymail Article better info http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/25/19/2ECD4ED500000578-3333777-image-a-16_1448481572696.jpg The highly advanced S-400 anti-aircraft system Russia has deployed to Latakia offers a massive 250mile wide strike range - allowing it to target a vast swathe of the Middle East (illustrated) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/25/19/2ECEBD4400000578-3333777-image-a-1_1448481386052.jpg Tensions: Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft systems (pictured) are highly advanced and capable of striking jets travelling up to 250miles away Is there really a city in Turkey called "Batman"? That's awesome! Edit: beat several times |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:54:11 PM EDT
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Also agreed. Erdogan is a POS... but I hate Russia more
The only problem is people here fall for Putin's bullshit, but not Erdogan's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. Also agreed. Erdogan is a POS... but I hate Russia more
The only problem is people here fall for Putin's bullshit, but not Erdogan's. I can't stand Russia, but even I will go with them over Islamists, Chechens, etc. Erdogan is an Islamist piece of shit. You need to rethink this. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:54:57 PM EDT
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This Turkey shoot was a bad shot. 2 miles for an SU-24 traveling at 800mph is about 15 seconds. Turkey claimed to issue a few warnings, over how much time?
The shot took place over Syrian airspace, 5-8 miles away. The Cold War was full of flyovers for a lot longer than ~15 seconds.  |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:55:11 PM EDT
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Apples to Oranges. Russians have no rights to fly fighters into Turkey, just like Turkey would have no rights to fly into Russia. Syria on the other hand is different. All sides can do whatever they want in Syria. That's the problem... No single entity controls the air or ground. Think of it like the thunderdome and it will be easier for you... If Russia shoots down Turk F-16s over Syria, then so be it. If Turkey blows up Russian SAMs in Syria, then so be it. It's just how it works in the arena. Small games right now, but if Russia keeps playing around and bowing up it will get fucking smacked. The big boys are in the arena now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper
All sides can do whatever they want in Syria. That's the problem... No single entity controls the air or ground. Think of it like the thunderdome and it will be easier for you... If Russia shoots down Turk F-16s over Syria, then so be it. If Turkey blows up Russian SAMs in Syria, then so be it. It's just how it works in the arena. Small games right now, but if Russia keeps playing around and bowing up it will get fucking smacked. The big boys are in the arena now. Is Syria no longer a recognized sovereign nation recognized by the UN, NATO, the US and Turkey? I'm just curious who's legal system is going to allow you to shoot at Russian targets inside of Syria since they are there at the request of the official Syrian government. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, oh you're one of those guys (if it's Russian it must suck). Even US analysts agree it is one of the most capable air to air systems currently available. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper With what? The S400 can engage and dispatch the F16 before it even gets into range. On what? Paper? LOL, oh you're one of those guys (if it's Russian it must suck). Even US analysts agree it is one of the most capable air to air systems currently available. I'm completely sure the S400 can be defeated by any country that knows what they're doing. It's not a blanket game changer. Capable? Sure. Impossible to mitigate? Nope. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do I hope that Russia curb stomps Turkey? Lots of monitoring devices by NATO |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Syria no longer a recognized sovereign nation recognized by the UN, NATO, the US and Turkey? I'm just curious who's legal system is going to allow you to shoot at Russian targets inside of Syria since they are there at the request of the official Syrian government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper All sides can do whatever they want in Syria. That's the problem... No single entity controls the air or ground. Think of it like the thunderdome and it will be easier for you... If Russia shoots down Turk F-16s over Syria, then so be it. If Turkey blows up Russian SAMs in Syria, then so be it. It's just how it works in the arena. Small games right now, but if Russia keeps playing around and bowing up it will get fucking smacked. The big boys are in the arena now. Is Syria no longer a recognized sovereign nation recognized by the UN, NATO, the US and Turkey? I'm just curious who's legal system is going to allow you to shoot at Russian targets inside of Syria since they are there at the request of the official Syrian government. Doesn't matter apparently does it? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:57:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:58:30 PM EDT
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Looks like the Russians just blew up a bunch of Turkish trucks in Syria.
Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:59:33 PM EDT
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Do realize that there are also Chinese "advisers" walking around in Syria right now... What this could do is force us to enact a No Fly Zone over the entirity of Syria and northern Iraq, and have us stopping Russian, Chinese, and Iranian shipments of weapons to the Assad Regime. By whos authority are we going to impose a no fly zone over another country? We going to get a UN resolution to impose a no fly zone and form a coalition? We going to go remove the Russian air defense now that its in place? You going to remove the Russians from their naval base there? Good luck with that shit. That ship sailed before russia got involved. Where is that red line again? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:59:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't stand Russia, but even I will go with them over Islamists, Chechens, etc. Erdogan is an Islamist piece of shit. You need to rethink this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. Also agreed. Erdogan is a POS... but I hate Russia more The only problem is people here fall for Putin's bullshit, but not Erdogan's. I can't stand Russia, but even I will go with them over Islamists, Chechens, etc. Erdogan is an Islamist piece of shit. You need to rethink this. Two pieces of shit in a shit fight. All around shit honestly Still love seeing a country that was our enemy for decades, full of communists, and have had their agents and bullshit leftist ideas seep through our entire country at all levels get smacked around. I'll say this: If it wasn't for the ideals that Russia / the Soviet Union espoused for almost a century, then we wouldn't have the pussies we have in power right now, and ISIS wouldn't be a problem... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and at that point the med turns into a shooting gallery. if the gutless wonder in the white house had any sense he would be telling turkey to chill. Assuming the west actually wants to hit ISIS then our interests and russias align in that respect. the only point of contention is we want Assad out and in the grand scheme of things that's retarded considering the other problems going on over there.  https://youtu.be/JMV_r4LjQIoQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. and at that point the med turns into a shooting gallery. if the gutless wonder in the white house had any sense he would be telling turkey to chill. Assuming the west actually wants to hit ISIS then our interests and russias align in that respect. the only point of contention is we want Assad out and in the grand scheme of things that's retarded considering the other problems going on over there. https://youtu.be/JMV_r4LjQIoThe flight path Turkey claims was less than 2 miles, maybe 10-15 sec for an SU-24 Obama wants this shit |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:02:00 PM EDT
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Sadly true, but America doesn't need to. Turkey seems to be doing just fine
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. hate to point out the obvious but the biggest kid on the block picked up his ball and went home and the goat fuckers seem to be doing just fine in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Seems like we haven't been doing so well our selves. Let me know when we start kicking ass and taking names again and ill share your enthusiasm. Sadly true, but America doesn't need to. Turkey seems to be doing just fine
By downing a plane by taking a cheap shot? Putin just put up air defense and effectively threatens a pretty large swatch of turkish airspace. Lets see if the turks got the sack you think they do.. Go fly into that shit and engage the next SU that engages ethnics turks in northern syria and lets see what happens. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:02:48 PM EDT
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Looks like the Russians just blew up a bunch of Turkish trucks in Syria. Good. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:05:23 PM EDT
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I'm completely sure the S400 can be defeated by any country that knows what they're doing. It's not a blanket game changer. Capable? Sure. Impossible to mitigate? Nope. I still would not ask our flyboys to go into into it because turkey felt like showing its penis to the world. Nothing is 100% but its a substantial threat to anything in the sky and i dont know any pilots who would just laugh them off. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the question the TV experts aren't answering. I'm sure our military has better radar tracking of what actually happened that won't ever be released. The Turks have always been turds and we have put up with the shenanigans they pull for years just to keep access to Incirlik AB it has only gotten worse since the MB took over Turkish Govt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: wonder what was the flight path of the Turkish planes. It is such a narrow piece of land that the Russians supposedly crossed. How can the Turkish planes possibly maneuver and chase and shoot down the russian planes without going over the border to syria itself? If the Turkish planes had an intercept course and heading at the Russian planes, they had to have crossed over to syria themselves. This is the question the TV experts aren't answering. I'm sure our military has better radar tracking of what actually happened that won't ever be released. The Turks have always been turds and we have put up with the shenanigans they pull for years just to keep access to Incirlik AB it has only gotten worse since the MB took over Turkish Govt. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. You have to realize how small of an area we are talking about, maybe 2 mile square area. Turkey claims to have sent out multiple warning. Instead of ACK, the SU-24 is out of Turk airspace within seconds. The Turks lock and shoot the SU-24 over Syrian airspace. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:11:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Syria no longer a recognized sovereign nation recognized by the UN, NATO, the US and Turkey? I'm just curious who's legal system is going to allow you to shoot at Russian targets inside of Syria since they are there at the request of the official Syrian government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper All sides can do whatever they want in Syria. That's the problem... No single entity controls the air or ground. Think of it like the thunderdome and it will be easier for you... If Russia shoots down Turk F-16s over Syria, then so be it. If Turkey blows up Russian SAMs in Syria, then so be it. It's just how it works in the arena. Small games right now, but if Russia keeps playing around and bowing up it will get fucking smacked. The big boys are in the arena now. Is Syria no longer a recognized sovereign nation recognized by the UN, NATO, the US and Turkey? I'm just curious who's legal system is going to allow you to shoot at Russian targets inside of Syria since they are there at the request of the official Syrian government. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:11:31 PM EDT
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Cool, I forgot there's a city named Batman.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:12:06 PM EDT
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Two pieces of shit in a shit fight. All around shit honestly
Still love seeing a country that was our enemy for decades, full of communists, and have had their agents and bullshit leftist ideas seep through our entire country at all levels get smacked around. I'll say this: If it wasn't for the ideals that Russia / the Soviet Union espoused for almost a century, then we wouldn't have the pussies we have in power right now, and ISIS wouldn't be a problem... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. Also agreed. Erdogan is a POS... but I hate Russia more
The only problem is people here false l for Putin's bullshit, but not Erdogan's. I can't stand Russia, but even I will go with them over Islamists, Chechens, etc. Erdogan is an Islamist piece of shit. You need to rethink this. Two pieces of shit in a shit fight. All around shit honestly
Still love seeing a country that was our enemy for decades, full of communists, and have had their agents and bullshit leftist ideas seep through our entire country at all levels get smacked around. I'll say this: If it wasn't for the ideals that Russia / the Soviet Union espoused for almost a century, then we wouldn't have the pussies we have in power right now, and ISIS wouldn't be a problem... I'm hoping for an eastern front style body count and cost. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:12:29 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter apparently does it? Do we follow the rules of law or don't we? Are we better than them or are we not? Or are we no better than the 2 bit dictator we want to over throw? Either we recognize international law or we don't. I also think it matters if they put up a no fly zone and a way to enforce it. Then it sure as fuck is going to matter to the USAF as well when they are tasked with flying through that shit. Then again i dont think Obama wants to hit ISIS anyway so thats his out. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:20:47 PM EDT
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I'm hoping for an eastern front style body count and cost. here is the problem with that.. You know what Ivan will do.. You know he cant be trusted but you can trust he is not suicidal.. Jihadis are fucking suicidal and fanatical.. they have no interest in converting you or convincing you. they want to kill you. kill your children your family and salt the earth on which you stand. You want this BS to turn into another Afghanistan? Last time i checked that shit is still going on 30 years later and we got a whole lot of dead Americans over it and a few extra holes and missing buildings in major US cities from assholes over there. So pick a side or remember that when your kids or your grand kids are picking up the pieces of their dead children because some jihadi asshole blew him self up in the local Starbucks you chose this moment to say "fuck the commies" instead of supporting someone, any one, willing to bring the pain to those mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:23:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the Russians just blew up a bunch of Turkish trucks in Syria. Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria Makes you wonder which side Turkey is on. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:25:38 PM EDT
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A Turkish convoy, which according to some reports was transporting weapons to terrorist organizations, has been hit by apparent airstrikes in northwestern Syria. Makes you wonder which side Turkey is on.
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Looks like the Russians just blew up a bunch of Turkish trucks in Syria. Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria Makes you wonder which side Turkey is on.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:26:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here is the problem with that.. You know what Ivan will do.. You know he cant be trusted but you can trust he is not suicidal.. Jihadis are fucking suicidal and fanatical.. they have no interest in converting you or convincing you. they want to kill you. kill your children your family and salt the earth on which you stand. You want this BS to turn into another Afghanistan? Last time i checked that shit is still going on 30 years later and we got a whole lot of dead Americans over it and a few extra holes and missing buildings in major US cities from assholes over there. So pick a side or remember that when your kids or your grand kids are picking up the pieces of their dead children because some jihadi asshole blew him self up in the local Starbucks you chose this moment to say "fuck the commies" instead of supporting someone, any one, willing to bring the pain to those mother fuckers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm hoping for an eastern front style body count and cost. here is the problem with that.. You know what Ivan will do.. You know he cant be trusted but you can trust he is not suicidal.. Jihadis are fucking suicidal and fanatical.. they have no interest in converting you or convincing you. they want to kill you. kill your children your family and salt the earth on which you stand. You want this BS to turn into another Afghanistan? Last time i checked that shit is still going on 30 years later and we got a whole lot of dead Americans over it and a few extra holes and missing buildings in major US cities from assholes over there. So pick a side or remember that when your kids or your grand kids are picking up the pieces of their dead children because some jihadi asshole blew him self up in the local Starbucks you chose this moment to say "fuck the commies" instead of supporting someone, any one, willing to bring the pain to those mother fuckers. Sorry, but the world and politics aren't black and white. If it had to be, then it would be West vs. East to me. Simple. Liberals, and leftist, marxist, and communist ideology got us where we are now, and have been, cumulatively more of a threat than ISIS to date. If you think Russia wouldn't want us just as dead as ISIS does, and hasn't done more damage to this country over the years, then I'm sorry, you just don't get it. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:31:04 PM EDT
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Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go?
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:31:22 PM EDT
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-new long range SAM systems in Latakia and Damascus
-more Russian fighter aircraft in the area -more excuse for Russia to get involved in general -Turkish proxies getting the shit bombed out of them in retaliation -Turkey now viewed as the reckless drunk brother in-law of NATO Wow that really was a smart move by Erodogan. If he wanted a no-fly zone in northern Syria then he's going to get the exact opposite. The only thing he accomplished was preventing a joint anti-ISIS coalition between Russia, France and possibly other NATO countries. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:38:08 PM EDT
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-new long range SAM systems in Latakia and Damascus -more Russian fighter aircraft in the area -more excuse for Russia to get involved in general -Turkish proxies getting the shit bombed out of them in retaliation -Turkey now viewed as the reckless drunk brother in-law of NATO Wow that really was a smart move by Erodogan. If he wanted a no-fly zone in northern Syria then he's going to get the exact opposite. The only thing he accomplished was preventing a joint anti-ISIS coalition between Russia, France and possibly other NATO countries. Hell, that was most likely his goal. He is not interested in stopping ISIS. He's working with the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood to bring down Assad. That is his number one goal. He hates Assad. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:38:54 PM EDT
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Sorry, but the world and politics aren't black and white. If it had to be, then it would be West vs. East to me. Simple. Liberals, and leftist, marxist, and communist ideology got us where we are now, and have been, cumulatively more of a threat than ISIS to date. If you think Russia wouldn't want us just as dead as ISIS does, and hasn't done more damage to this country over the years, then I'm sorry, you just don't get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm hoping for an eastern front style body count and cost. here is the problem with that.. You know what Ivan will do.. You know he cant be trusted but you can trust he is not suicidal.. Jihadis are fucking suicidal and fanatical.. they have no interest in converting you or convincing you. they want to kill you. kill your children your family and salt the earth on which you stand. You want this BS to turn into another Afghanistan? Last time i checked that shit is still going on 30 years later and we got a whole lot of dead Americans over it and a few extra holes and missing buildings in major US cities from assholes over there. So pick a side or remember that when your kids or your grand kids are picking up the pieces of their dead children because some jihadi asshole blew him self up in the local Starbucks you chose this moment to say "fuck the commies" instead of supporting someone, any one, willing to bring the pain to those mother fuckers. Sorry, but the world and politics aren't black and white. If it had to be, then it would be West vs. East to me. Simple. Liberals, and leftist, marxist, and communist ideology got us where we are now, and have been, cumulatively more of a threat than ISIS to date. If you think Russia wouldn't want us just as dead as ISIS does, and hasn't done more damage to this country over the years, then I'm sorry, you just don't get it. Just curious how many planes Russian has hijacked over the last 40 years? How many suicide bombers they have sent into western cities in the past decade? How many inocent civilians they have shot up in the name of God? In this fight the bad guys are the jihadis and we lack the balls to do what needs to be done to rid the world of them. I never said the world is black and white and i dont see how you can get that from my post. In this fight there is a clear more evil party here and they would cut your head off if given half the chance. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:39:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:39:34 PM EDT
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Sorry, but the world and politics aren't black and white. If it had to be, then it would be West vs. East to me. Simple. Liberals, and leftist, marxist, and communist ideology got us where we are now, and have been, cumulatively more of a threat than ISIS to date. If you think Russia wouldn't want us just as dead as ISIS does, and hasn't done more damage to this country over the years, then I'm sorry, you just don't get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm hoping for an eastern front style body count and cost. here is the problem with that.. You know what Ivan will do.. You know he cant be trusted but you can trust he is not suicidal.. Jihadis are fucking suicidal and fanatical.. they have no interest in converting you or convincing you. they want to kill you. kill your children your family and salt the earth on which you stand. You want this BS to turn into another Afghanistan? Last time i checked that shit is still going on 30 years later and we got a whole lot of dead Americans over it and a few extra holes and missing buildings in major US cities from assholes over there. So pick a side or remember that when your kids or your grand kids are picking up the pieces of their dead children because some jihadi asshole blew him self up in the local Starbucks you chose this moment to say "fuck the commies" instead of supporting someone, any one, willing to bring the pain to those mother fuckers. Sorry, but the world and politics aren't black and white. If it had to be, then it would be West vs. East to me. Simple. Liberals, and leftist, marxist, and communist ideology got us where we are now, and have been, cumulatively more of a threat than ISIS to date. If you think Russia wouldn't want us just as dead as ISIS does, and hasn't done more damage to this country over the years, then I'm sorry, you just don't get it. Obamas presidency is the natural conclusion of decades of Soviet Russian influence and subversion of the education and media establishments. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:41:01 PM EDT
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Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go? Multiple trucks. I have no idea how many trucks are normally deployed together. and not all missiles are the same. Those tubes fit all sorts of different missiles with different capabilities so who knows whats actually in them or the ranges they could actually engage. I guess you got to look at the worst case scenario if you are looking at going through it. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:44:39 PM EDT
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Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go? Drones, lots of drones Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:44:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go? A regular S-400 battalion consists of at least eight launchers with 32 missiles and a mobile command post. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:45:59 PM EDT
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Multiple trucks. I have no idea how many trucks are normally deployed together. and not all missiles are the same. Those tubes fit all sorts of different missiles with different capabilities so who knows whats actually in them or the ranges they could actually engage. I guess you got to look at the worst case scenario if you are looking at going through it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go? Multiple trucks. I have no idea how many trucks are normally deployed together. and not all missiles are the same. Those tubes fit all sorts of different missiles with different capabilities so who knows whats actually in them or the ranges they could actually engage. I guess you got to look at the worst case scenario if you are looking at going through it. I think the one they quote as having a 250 mile range is the ABM missile, and the one they use for engaging air targets is much shorter ranged. They also never mention radar horizons, so "lol" on 250 mile targeting solutions. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:50:35 PM EDT
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S-400s....yikes
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:53:35 PM EDT
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Oh oh. I am sure Israel is pleased with Obamas foreign policy plan right now. Can't blame Putin for the show of force. Turkey (with Zero's) blessings was providing a CAP for the FSA and now they have a great threat added to the region. Our aircraft, plus civilian passenger craft are all in peril anywhere near there now. Way to go zero. FBHO Do you really think they would fire on US aircraft operating in our normal areas. Hell no. Maybe if we decided to fly uncomfortably close to their air base...but otherwise they wouldn't dare. No way... ETA- still FBHO tho lol On purpose, no. When you're dealing with shitty 1970s cold war tech and drunk-ass operators, anything can happen. The S400 system was developed in, I believe, the mid-90s. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:59:14 PM EDT
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When/where have the s-400s been effectively deployed? Do they have any confirmed kills? Patriot didn't either before Desert Storm. That's my point. There will be growing pains and their second generation will be better. They are a successive generation.. It's an advanced/improved version of the S-300 systems. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:00:52 PM EDT
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Here's some heavy Russian propaganda to read.
 How Russia’s S-400 makes the F-35 obsolete. http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/03/11/how_russias_s-400_makes_the_f-35_obsolete_41895 |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:08:28 PM EDT
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem.  I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. Our total force military is a little over 2 million strong. So "no more than" our entire military force 5-to-10 times over isn't exactly something to shrug off. Turns out twenty million people is a LOT of fucking people. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:08:55 PM EDT
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I think the one they quote as having a 250 mile range is the ABM missile, and the one they use for engaging air targets is much shorter ranged. They also never mention radar horizons, so "lol" on 250 mile targeting solutions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time I see the S400, I only see 4 tubes.. Wouldn't that mean that worst case you can just throw a 5th fighter in the air and you are good to go? Multiple trucks. I have no idea how many trucks are normally deployed together. and not all missiles are the same. Those tubes fit all sorts of different missiles with different capabilities so who knows whats actually in them or the ranges they could actually engage. I guess you got to look at the worst case scenario if you are looking at going through it. I think the one they quote as having a 250 mile range is the ABM missile, and the one they use for engaging air targets is much shorter ranged. They also never mention radar horizons, so "lol" on 250 mile targeting solutions. The 40N6 was meant to engage stand off targets like awacs and jstars and has its own active and semi active seeker. So i dont think they need to have a direct targeting solution on the intended target. Lots of neat info on this page. http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:09:15 PM EDT
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Here's some heavy Russian propaganda to read.
How Russia’s S-400 makes the F-35 obsolete. http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/03/11/how_russias_s-400_makes_the_f-35_obsolete_41895 We can always count on you.
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