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Posted: 10/22/2019 9:48:48 AM EDT
Self-proclaimed Wing Chun master who vows to prove that traditional Chinese kung fu is not just fancy moves gets knocked out by a kick-boxer in 74 seconds
Ding Hao was humiliated by kick-boxer 'Tiger' at a packed arena in China The 29-year-old claims to be a descendant of Wing Chun master Ip Man His defeat sparked debate over the practicality of Chinese martial arts Ding Hao, who claims to be a descendant of Wing Chun master Ip Man, was humiliated in front of a live audience at a packed arena on Saturday in the Chinese city of Jiangmen. The 29-year-old was beaten to the ground in the first round, leading the viewers to question if he really knows Wing Chun, let alone be a master of it. Youtube video of fight Article in English |
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So we find out that more Chinese shit is shit when tested. Imagine my surprise.
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So obvious that the kick boxer was setting him up for that right roundhouse kick even I could see it.
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass.
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kickboxing is a hard sport.. the men who practice it are tough sons of bitches.
All elbows and knees, and those dudes can deliver scary power with their kicks and punches. traditional Thai kickboxing was/is brutal.. no spank you. |
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Surprised it lasted that long.
MMA has taught the world that 90% of martial arts is complete bullshit. |
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Wing Chun man lasted longer than I would have, is about all I can say about that.
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Someone spent too long learning how to hit, and not enough time learning how to take a hit and/or not get hit.
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass. View Quote |
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If we really could see a real exposition of Steven Seagal's technique versus an actual MMA fighter, this horseshit fan boy nonsense would come to a screeching halt really quick.
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass. View Quote ETA: the hand trapping techniques of WC work well when integrated into more effective styles. But if you're focused on trapping at the expense of distance management, guard, head movement, angles, etc. then you're gonna have a bad time in the ring with a boxer or kickboxer. |
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Quoted: Yup Wrestling and traditional boxing as well. View Quote 1 - knock the opponent down. 2 - get on top of him. 3 - punch him in the face until the referee pulls you off. None of this is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or wrestling, or any specific martial art really. |
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Watching on mobile with that grainy video and I'll at least give the guy in black that it looked like he got in a few good shots before getting k/o'd. Granted the kickboxer brought the fight and took it to him, and, as with most fights ... the win goes to the aggressor.
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Indiana Jones - Arab Swordsman Scene |
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Wing chun is effective at fighting itself. The problems with it arise when the other guy won't stand in the correct intermediate range for it to work. No answer for long range attacks, and the clinch blows through it like it's not even there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass. Wing chun is effective at fighting itself. The problems with it arise when the other guy won't stand in the correct intermediate range for it to work. No answer for long range attacks, and the clinch blows through it like it's not even there. |
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There's even an argument that most of the BJJ is ultimately worthless, since anymore nearly all wins are: 1 - knock the opponent down. 2 - get on top of him. 3 - punch him in the face until the referee pulls you off. None of this is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or wrestling, or any specific martial art really. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Yup Wrestling and traditional boxing as well. 1 - knock the opponent down. 2 - get on top of him. 3 - punch him in the face until the referee pulls you off. None of this is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or wrestling, or any specific martial art really. BJJ is not very strike orientated, but it's good if you like wrestling with sweating dudes, I guess |
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If I recall correctly a team of thai boxers went to Japan in the 70s
I think there were 7 fights against karate champions. All the Japanese were knocked out quickly. If karate doesn’t have a chance wing chun certainly doesn’t |
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What is most telling about these fights between "traditional martial arts" and any MMA style fighter, aside from the weird stances to begin the fight, they all seem to do the same thing everyone else does after they get hit a few times.
I've never seen the traditional guy maintain a funky stance or throw "traditional style" punches and kicks after he takes a few "real life" shots... |
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Neighbor of mine was 4x World Kickboxing champ...
I don't think the NFL comes anywhere close to the brutality of kickboxing |
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Quoted: Wing chun is effective at fighting itself. The problems with it arise when the other guy won't stand in the correct intermediate range for it to work. No answer for long range attacks, and the clinch blows through it like it's not even there. ETA: the hand trapping techniques of WC work well when integrated into more effective styles. But if you're focused on trapping at the expense of distance management, guard, head movement, angles, etc. then you're gonna have a bad time in the ring with a boxer or kickboxer. View Quote |
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What is most telling about these fights between "traditional martial arts" and any MMA style fighter, aside from the weird stances to begin the fight, they all seem to do the same thing everyone else does after they get hit a few times. I've never seen the traditional guy maintain a funky stance or throw "traditional style" punches and kicks after he takes a few "real life" shots... View Quote |
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So, Wing Chun is like the fixed fortifications or trench warfare of hand to hand fighting?
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Needs more Bas Rutten doing commentary.
"BANGITY BANGITY BONG BONG!!!" |
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Most martial arts work great, on people that don't know how to fight or feed you an overhand right and don't pull their punches.
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This. BJJ is not very strike orientated, but it's good if you like wrestling with sweating dudes, I guess View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Yup Wrestling and traditional boxing as well. 1 - knock the opponent down. 2 - get on top of him. 3 - punch him in the face until the referee pulls you off. None of this is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or wrestling, or any specific martial art really. BJJ is not very strike orientated, but it's good if you like wrestling with sweating dudes, I guess And even the best BJJ guys in the MMA game don't win with it 99% of the time. They still have to know it, but it's easily countered anymore and has been knocked way down the list in terms of what wins fights in MMA. On the street it's always been 1/2/3 as above, and always will be. |
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Doesn't look like he knows Wing Chun at all. Wing Chun requires you to close the distance. His hands weren't in the nromal Wing Chun position but more of a boxing position. Wing Chun blocks don't block completely and you absorb some of the hit, but deliver heavier blows in exchange. Kick boxer weakened the Wing Chun man's stance by kicking several times to the right thigh. It also conditioned him to expect an attack against the right thigh and not a kick to the head. Bruce Lee used to condition his opponents that way.
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I'm no fighter, but I'm pretty sure if you take several shots to the head and never go on the offensive, you should expect the same result.
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My best friend is 6'2 240lbs and is a black belt. He was one of the few people who could spar with Dennis back in the day. Denis brutalized guys in training.
Failed To Load Title Ramon Dekkers is the greatest non Thai fighter to ever live in my opinion in the true Muay Thai arena. Ramon Dekkers Highlights Jason Lambert is my BJJ coach. You just don't understand how good these guys are until you roll with them. The untrained don't stand a chance against a real MMA fighter. Babalu gets KO'd by Jason Lambert |
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Yea but muh jeet kune do... View Quote If you read Bruce Lee's Fighting Methods he advocates for boxing hand techniques and could be regarded as the father of kickboxing. Lee stressed the need to train as you fight including full contact sparring. Not me but trained by my trainer: Dennis Downey vs Leroy Hopkins 2018 06 14 01 10 06 UTC |
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