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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The automotive world  You mean junk budget cars that people with poor credit get approved financing for? Some people actually work for a living.... and aren't paid what they are worth. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:50:09 PM EDT
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I'm not even sure what the point of a sedan is anymore.
There's not much it does better than a CUV and even so only marginally. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:50:42 PM EDT
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They focus on what sells, same as any other business.
I see a hell of a lot more sportages than optimas. More explorers than taurus. More rav4s than camry. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck CUVs and fuck most SUVs as well. Sedans or trucks for me. As long as I can anyhow. This. Just because "the masses" like something, doesn't mean it is actually good. Almost half the country votes democrat.... Just because they chose democrat doesn't mean it is the best choice. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for ya, but you're correct the Sedans are going the way of the dinosaurs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The CX5 is Mazda’s prime model. Ford only makes 2 cars, the Mustang and the Fusion Sedans are dead meat. Fixed it for ya, but you're correct the Sedans are going the way of the dinosaurs. Fusion production ended in July. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people actually work for a living.... and aren't paid what they are worth.  @heavymetal762 |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for ya, but you're correct the Sedans are going the way of the dinosaurs. i believe the fusion is done after this year. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:00:03 PM EDT
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My 2019 Kia Sportage is a great vehicle. Can carry 4 adults comfortably (can squeeze 5 in the middle if needed), plenty of leg and head room. I get 32 MPG on the highway. I would buy another one no question, but I have my eyes on the Kia Sorento. Bigger, better, with way more horse power.
My Sportage.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are just one major terror attack to push oil back to $100/barrel and bring back small compacts and sedans. Or Biden getting elected! |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Porsche doesn’t make an SUV but they do add interiors and tweak existing VAG offerings. Of course I’m a purist and think a real Porsche has to have cylinders in multiples of 6. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When Porsche made an SUV, the automotive world changed. Porsche doesn’t make an SUV but they do add interiors and tweak existing VAG offerings. Of course I’m a purist and think a real Porsche has to have cylinders in multiples of 6. Yes, I meant to say CUV. My mistake. 
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now, we have CUV, with the same capacity without the sliding doors.. You'll never be a minivan door gunner without the sliding door! 
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:14:12 PM EDT
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Bring back the AMC/JEEP Eagle. My body is ready.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:16:52 PM EDT
[#13]
 Yeah, cause Kia dictates the automotive world.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. When I lived in Europe as a kid, station wagons were everywhere, and are ultimately a very practical vehicle. All the benefits of a sedan, but with extra cargo space. Crossovers and CUVs are exactly the same thing, IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really,really,really don't like crossovers. They are just everything I hate about the state of frumpy,no standards for anything,lowest common denominator current culture in vehicular form. The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. When I lived in Europe as a kid, station wagons were everywhere, and are ultimately a very practical vehicle. All the benefits of a sedan, but with extra cargo space. Crossovers and CUVs are exactly the same thing, IMO. Agree. Initially, manufacturers found a way to market the "utilitarian" uses of a station wagon without calling it a station wagon. Sold like crazy. And it wasn't a minivan. Now an additional driver of CUV development is crash/safety standards. Cars/sedans have to be built up so much now for side impacts it makes it feel like rolling around in a tank. The taller CUVs allow larger window openings, better view, less cramped, etc. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:21:41 PM EDT
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I hate SUVs. As soon as the kids were driving on their own, I ditched em for good. Trucks and Mustangs for me and the wife
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: definitely first they came for the coupes... then they came for the sedans.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:24:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, cause Kia dictates the automotive world.Ford's building how many new cars that aren't Mustangs? |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not even sure what the point of a sedan is anymore. Because of my wife's car, I can see the "point" of powerful sports sedans, because they are sexier and look better than powerful fast SUVs, and are less likely to roll over when cornering/crashing. I guess. But the argument is getting a lot harder to make.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't stand them either, but you and I are obviously in the minority these days. "The people have spoken", and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really,really,really don't like crossovers. They are just everything I hate about the state of frumpy,no standards for anything,lowest common denominator current culture in vehicular form. That's the reality. The guys who say they want stripped base model trucks, the guys who say they want traditional family sedans, and the guys who say they want manual transmissions in things that aren't sports/muscle cars all have one thing in common: They aren't/weren't actually buying those things new. The people who buy new are the only people that get a vote on what gets built. Nobody else's opinion matters. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:26:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Truth! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Literally everyone I know owns SUV's, CUV's, and trucks. I am the last person to own a two door car. I want to buy a new two door performance car, but my current options are limited and shrinking by the model year. you guys will have to be driving a Camaro yo.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you guys will have to be driving a Camaro yo.. I've test driven several Camaros. I don't like them. Plus I keep hearing rumors that GM is killing it off in the next few years. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. When I lived in Europe as a kid, station wagons were everywhere, and are ultimately a very practical vehicle. All the benefits of a sedan, but with extra cargo space. Crossovers and CUVs are exactly the same thing, IMO. Yep, came here to post this. When I was a kid in the 60's and early 70's, station wagons were everywhere. IIRC, CAFE standards and then the oil crisis killed them. Someone with better memory can correct me if I'm wrong. It seemed like every other family had one. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:30:53 PM EDT
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Does this have anything to do with the optima being replaced by the k5 for 2021?
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:31:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:34:39 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fusion production ended in July. I stand corrected, thank you. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i believe the fusion is done after this year. I've been educated on this, you are correct. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:37:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2019 Kia Sportage is a great vehicle. Can carry 4 adults comfortably (can squeeze 5 in the middle if needed), plenty of leg and head room. I get 32 MPG on the highway. I would buy another one no question, but I have my eyes on the Kia Sorento. Bigger, better, with way more horse power. My Sportage. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312/DSCF3253_JPG-1652068.JPG CVT or gears? @littlepony |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or Biden getting elected! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We are just one major terror attack to push oil back to $100/barrel and bring back small compacts and sedans. Or Biden getting elected! We are currently oil independent. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:46:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Interesting.
Wife and I, mostly me, have been researching our oldest daughters first car. Have been eyeing the Seltos or Sportage. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2019 Kia Sportage is a great vehicle. Can carry 4 adults comfortably (can squeeze 5 in the middle if needed), plenty of leg and head room. I get 32 MPG on the highway. I would buy another one no question, but I have my eyes on the Kia Sorento. Bigger, better, with way more horse power. My Sportage. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312/DSCF3253_JPG-1652068.JPG But, but just look at it. It has no aesthetically pleasing aspects anywhere on it. It's booooorrrriiiinnnnggggg. This just joined my family.  It makes a statement. That statement may be I'm really loud and ridiculously fast and the old guy inside is probably going through some mid-life crisis or compensating for something, but at least it's statement. That Sportage is just on the sidelines taking notes. No offense... |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:24:37 PM EDT
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Well... so long as Hyundai keeps making the Genesis or a similar replacement, oh well.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laughs in F250 Laughs in F350. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:30:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Give me a 500hp AWD family sedan with a manual transmission then we can talk, otherwise 0FG
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:32:23 PM EDT
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I would prefer a big old Cadillac. A trunk you can fit guns,fishing gear and outboard motor in with room to spare.
Rides like floating in the air can't feel chuck holes or protesters. Man the good old days  |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:36:11 PM EDT
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I hate crossovers. If sedans go away, that just means I’ll never buy a new car in the future.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:47:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. When I lived in Europe as a kid, station wagons were everywhere, and are ultimately a very practical vehicle. All the benefits of a sedan, but with extra cargo space. Crossovers and CUVs are exactly the same thing, IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really,really,really don't like crossovers. They are just everything I hate about the state of frumpy,no standards for anything,lowest common denominator current culture in vehicular form. The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. When I lived in Europe as a kid, station wagons were everywhere, and are ultimately a very practical vehicle. All the benefits of a sedan, but with extra cargo space. Crossovers and CUVs are exactly the same thing, IMO. Agreed, that they're just about the most practical vehicle ever...perhaps with the exception of the crew cab pickup (depending on where you live). |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see them, "crossovers" and CUV's are really just the station-wagons of today. They should just bring back real wagons. (Or at least offer them in the US, in the case of things like the Mazda 6.) ETA: Quoted: Agreed, that they're just about the most practical vehicle ever...perhaps with the exception of the crew cab pickup (depending on where you live). To me, the best overall config would be a ute. Too bad they are even dying out in their home country. 
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:56:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck CUVs. But most modern sedans are garbage too. Would take a hatchback over most any one of them. Stupidest thing the auto industry did was to kill off the station wagon. Mid sized station wagons would kill it. And shooting brakes are about as sexy as it gets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck CUVs and fuck most SUVs as well. Sedans or trucks for me. As long as I can anyhow. Fuck CUVs. But most modern sedans are garbage too. Would take a hatchback over most any one of them. Stupidest thing the auto industry did was to kill off the station wagon. Mid sized station wagons would kill it. And shooting brakes are about as sexy as it gets. Subaru labels the Outback as a CUV, but it's an AWD wagon... Kharn |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My work parking lot is 99% SUVs; Pilots, RAV4s, Explorers, Highlanders, Tiguans, etc. They all look the same to me. Only cars in the lot are my GTI and another guy’s 7-Series BMW. Only quoted this post because BMW is listed in it.... My take is the Crossover is just another name for a station wagon...just more hip in todays world. I admit they are not the same but very similar in capabilities with the exception of ride height if you need to jump a curb. I would prefer the wagon and I would have gotten one of these if they would have imported them in the US..... EDIT....I should have read one more post before I hit the quote button...the station wagon / CUV was mentioned.... 
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:00:25 PM EDT
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I would really love to have a wagon like this.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:00:46 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Subaru labels the Outback as a CUV, but it's an AWD wagon... A lifted wagon. An Outback is a lifted Legacy; they used to make Legacy wagons. The difference was in the suspension, and some assorted styling bits. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:09:01 PM EDT
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cuv
 I'm still upset everyone got rid of wagons. My daily driver work car is an AWD wagon I'm keeping as long as it lasts. I just hope there are better wagon choices when I need a new car, maybe by then Mercedes will let us leave the A45 
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:35:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe silver one would be cool with an eco boost swap. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:40:28 PM EDT
[#45]
 4x4 302 bronco/pinto |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 7:53:28 PM EDT
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I’m a fan. I’m 6’6” and don’t fit in many sedans outside of an old Buick. Add some car seats for little ones and that cuts even more options.
More vehicles that I fit in and handle better in crappy weather is only a plus for me. *although when going fast and taking turns, I haven’t driven anything better that a police package Taurus. Also never driven anything nicer ......But fuck getting in and out of that thing. It will hurt a young mans neck and back. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 8:00:37 PM EDT
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Bring back wagons!
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Posted: 10/24/2020 8:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CVT or gears? @littlepony gears next gen gets 2 different 8 speeds @ErikS |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 8:06:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2020 8:27:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My favorite wagon of all time. https://i.postimg.cc/rpRDnctM/IMG-4424.jpgimage hosting sites" target="_blank">https://i.postimg.cc/rpRDnctM/IMG-4424.jpgimage hosting sites That’s pretty bad-ass. Back when cars were about style and not about compliance to .gov regs and wind tunnel numbers. |
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