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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:15:06 PM EDT
[#1]
i agree but i bet he would have been one fun motherfucker to hang out with
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:16:44 PM EDT
[#2]
Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:16:46 PM EDT
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True. But he was a big loudmouth who could back it up.
So, average guy says “That T.R. is a helluva guy. I’m Voting for him!!” |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:17:05 PM EDT
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Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:17:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today. I know, it was worse |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:17:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today. and it seems like it was just ignorance more than malice, he thought he was helping ETA: the road to hell and good intentions |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i agree but i bet he would have been one fun motherfucker to hang out with He's the one that sported a Winchester .405 wasn't he? |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:18:53 PM EDT
[#8]
Not as bad as the other Roosevelt
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:18:57 PM EDT
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I’d rather he be president right now.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:19:53 PM EDT
[#10]
progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history.
trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:20:25 PM EDT
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He was a dichotomy…
In one sense he was a progressive. In another sense he saw the reality that the industrial age was going to fuck the average man hard and wreck the natural world in the process. In that sense he was a visionary. “Ted Kaczynski was right” -Teddy Roosevelt (probably) |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history. trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. So unprecedented Gov expansion? |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:22:03 PM EDT
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We'd have been better off if both Roosevelts were set adrift on the Atlantic instead of made president. Especially as the state they came from was run entirely by the mob.
Then again, that's kind of true of a number of presidents. Teddy at least had some populist sympathies. His nephew, on the other hand, was a corrupt authoritarian subversive traitor who should have been shot. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:22:33 PM EDT
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Misreading history is a GD tradition. He'd be considered right of Pinochet by today's standards. WTF is wrong with y'all?
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history. trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. All true. But he did not send mean tweets. That makes him trash to 87% of GD. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:22:43 PM EDT
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He really pushed himself into the Spanish American war. Whatever his reasoning he definitely backed it up.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All true. But he did not send mean tweets. That makes him trash to 87% of GD. Expanding the Fed gov did that. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:25:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Misreading history is a GD tradition. He'd be considered right of Pinochet by today's standards. WTF is wrong with y'all? you can't judge him by now, you've got to judge him from then you know, the opposite of what the left likes to do |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:25:51 PM EDT
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He's been canceled by New York so he couldn't have been too bad.
They completely scrubbed him from the Natural History museum. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you can't judge him by now, you've got to judge him from then you know, the opposite of what the left likes to do He did a shitload of good things. He did some bad stuff too, just like you and me. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:26:45 PM EDT
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If you hunt, you have Teddy Roosevelt to thank for much of your opportunity.
Whatever you think of the rest of his policies, he was a visionary when it came to conservation. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today. This. He was a badass, and backed it up with his actions. No nonsense, no bullshit, and no whining. Motherfucker was shot during a speech, laughed it off, and continued speaking! Few could ever claim to be as iconic an American as Theodore, and they’re all dead. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He did a shitload of good things. He did some bad stuff too, just like you and me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you can't judge him by now, you've got to judge him from then you know, the opposite of what the left likes to do He did a shitload of good things. He did some bad stuff too, just like you and me. the difference here is that nothing bad i've done can be used as a stepping stone to fuck up the country even moar |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today. JFK would be an "alt-right" extremist right wing person today. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today.  |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So unprecedented Gov expansion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history. trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. So unprecedented Gov expansion? for its time yes. american business was dominated by a few very powerful, rich men who made the rules. all the rules. you wanted to work, or sell you produce as a farmer, you took what the big guy offered and you were screwed regardless. you want your kids to spend 60 hours a week working in bad conditions? that was what went on at the time. you were a farmer? either you took what the big guy charged to get your product to market or it rotted in the field. life is a balance. what do you think would have eventually happened if someone like tr hadnt done things to break up the big trusts? revolution, as in marxist revolution. marxist ideas were already a thing in this country. using the government to somewhat level the playing field prevented things for swinging wildly the other way eventually. some folks believe in absolutes. like no government intervention at all. if you adhere to such nonsense, your are naive. this is not to say things have swung to far in the other way currently. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:31:28 PM EDT
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I too evaluate all historical figures out of context.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:33:18 PM EDT
[#28]
Complicated subject.
Preface: My view is the government is only good to stop the tragedy of the commons. View on trustbusting: Breaking up the Standard Oil trusts was probably over all a bad move. As, the government replaced standard oil trying to balance the oil industry’s boom and bust cycle:  That being said, its later usage is good. Monopolies are not a great thing. That being said, government created duopolies or oligarchies in business are not that great either. That is where we’re at. Creation of the national forests and parks: Hands down the best thing anyone has done in the last 120 years or so. Arguably the defining point of being “American” in a way, rugged individualism. Having space, to go practice that. Creation of labor laws: As someone who’s business, was actually in business then - creation of some labor laws is good. That being said, like anything government can ruin anything. Slippery slope and all. But, mine safety, child labor, etc. separates us from third world shit holes. Build up of the military: Completely depends on your view of the military. I personally think pre-WW2, it was a good thing. However now, again - slippery slope - things go down hill. Military industrial complex has also taken over in a way. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today. Lol FDR says hold my communism Let's not forget Lincoln The US legit only lasted about 87 years, legit |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:34:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Complicated subject. Preface: My view is the government is only good to stop the tragedy of the commons. View on trustbusting: Breaking up the Standard Oil trusts was probably over all a bad move. As, the government replaced standard oil trying to balance the oil industry’s boom and bust cycle: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/148484/B643C93B-B226-4C7C-8749-051596ED00F3-2663325.jpg That being said, its later usage is good. Monopolies are not a great thing. That being said, government created duopolies or oligarchies in business are not that great either. That is where we’re at. Creation of the national forests and parks: Hands down the best thing anyone has done in the last 120 years or so. Arguably the defining point of being “American” in a way, rugged individualism. Having space, to go practice that. Creation of labor laws: As someone who’s business, was actually in business then - creation of some labor laws is good. That being said, like anything government can ruin anything. Slippery slope and all. But, mine safety, child labor, etc. separates us from third world shit holes. Build up of the military: Completely depends on your view of the military. I personally think pre-WW2, it was a good thing. However now, again - slippery slope - things go down hill. Military industrial complex has also taken over in a way. Well stated, I agree 100%. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:36:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Discuss  Theodore Roosevelt and the Progressive Era: Sample from Tom Woods's Liberty Classroom Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. ETA: the man screwed up the office of the presidency and made it matter far more than it ever should have. It's only gotten worse since. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So unprecedented Gov expansion? Woody Wilson made that possible with income tax. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:38:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not as bad as the other Roosevelt Screwtape was not as bad as mephisto ... |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's been canceled by New York so he couldn't have been too bad. They completely scrubbed him from the Natural History museum. So he's been photoshopped out of those Night At the Museum movies? 
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:39:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-yboiw0d8Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:40:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-yboiw0d8Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. I have my disagreements with him ideologically, but the history stuff he puts out is pretty good. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:42:22 PM EDT
[#37]
He was awesome
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have my disagreements with him ideologically, but the history stuff he puts out is pretty good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-yboiw0d8Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. I have my disagreements with him ideologically, but the history stuff he puts out is pretty good. Agreed. I'm not a libertarian but he is definitely worth paying attention to. I feel the same about Tucker. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was awesome I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. Like the love affair some have with Putin |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:48:59 PM EDT
[#41]
He wasn't progressive relative to the progressives of his time
98% of conservatives today are gay libtards compared to him |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:49:05 PM EDT
[#42]
He helped get the CMP established because the Spanish American war illustrated how bad our soldier's marksmanship was.
Establishment of the CMP. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:49:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He was awesome I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. This and he was doing things that the idiots thought were benefitting them but in fact onky benefitted his pals. He grew govt and was no conservative Calvin Coolidge is about as good as it gets re conservatives |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:52:04 PM EDT
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I bet this pisses y'all off. This is my Teddy Roosevelt Commemorative Winchester model 94.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:54:01 PM EDT
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I think you have to view Roosevelt in the context of his era.
In a lot of ways, him cracking down on big oil and rail would be like Trump cracking down and breaking up Facebook and Twitter. In once sense it’s a violation of free enterprise. In another sense, it’s absolutely warranted in the context of the situation. He was a conservative that was faced with the reality that small government libertarianism didn’t seem to work in the industrial era. We hadn’t yet seen that neither did socialism. We’re still trying to figure it out. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Expanding the Fed gov did that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All true. But he did not send mean tweets. That makes him trash to 87% of GD. Expanding the Fed gov did that. You could argue that George Washington, leading an Army to force citizens to pay unfair taxes, (Whisky Rebellion)was a large expansion of Government power |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:58:27 PM EDT
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You mean toward the end of his life?
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:59:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could argue that George Washington, leading an Army to force citizens to pay unfair taxes, (Whisky Rebellion)was a large expansion of Government power It was |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet this pisses y'all off. This is my Teddy Roosevelt Commemorative Winchester model 94. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124978/win94_jpg-2811627.JPG i wanted to be pissed, i really did but i'm not, not even a little. do better. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:02:51 PM EDT
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i feel like we need some @1andy2 insight here
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