If simple words on the internet by strangers you don't know are enough to sway your convictions, well...

Which is what this is. At the end of the day, it was the EU economic agreement that precipitated Maidan, IIRC. The EU needs working age bodies, and prefer Ukrainian ones to African ones.

All news sites have an agenda.

Once this is seen it cannot be unseen.

Ain't you the guy that wants to shut down contrary opinions and discussion?

Contrary opinions and discussion? Not at all. I disagree with all sorts of people on here about many various topics. In fact I've openly posted that I welcome the perspective and discussion, even from certain posters in this thread, who come down on the other side of supporting Ukraine when it is done in earnest. As I've said in those discussions, steel sharpens steel.

However, there are certain posters posting certain content that I would not tolerate here, personally speaking. I would gatekeep the fuck out of this place from people with a clear agenda to do harm to the image of gun owning Conservatives, since that's what this site claims to be centered around. Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private organizations. Unfortunately, site management has a different perspective on what should be allowed here. C'est la vie. Their site, their rules.

this seems relevant to this thread, cue up to 3:13

Coincidentally I just started rewatching this, again.

Just such a great show!

(Except the last season which was iffy and the unfortunate ending. )

Of course it is. Look at the folks that rush to defend it.

It's Russian collusion all over again!

When I think "trusted news" I immediately think Nina Jankowicz who after being publicly fired, registered as a foreign agent.

I mean, nothing says "news you can trust" like "vetted by a shadowy British non-profit with vague government ties."

Yeah, not even the Left is running that one with a straight face, anymore, but that isn't stopping some UkeBros!

But an alternative news site started by Russians is AOK?

LOL

Welcome to OSINT, pal.

Where everyone has an agenda and the facts don't matter.

I asked this before- has ZH ever disagreed with the Russian position on any issue?

In other words, yes.

Zerohedge started during the financial crisis long before the present Ukrainian war.  It was known for insider whispers from wall street who revealed much about how our financial house of cards was stacked. Daniel Ivandjiiski
was barred from the securities industry for a $780 insider trade.  Literally a parking ticket at the Indy 500.  No wonder he had an axe to grind on exposing the dirty details of wall street.  ZH and journalists like Tucker Carlson became a target of the statist elements and their followers here the minute they stopped towing the line on forever war in the Ukraine. This is the same reason they hound posters on this site who would dare to defy the pro-war narrative.  This is what cost Tucker his job running the no. 1 rated news show.


Link from the known communist propaganda site wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
Zero Hedge's first post appeared on 9 January 2009 at 4pm,[39][2] and the domain was registered on 11 January 2009 under the name Krassimir Ivandjiiski of ABC Media Ltd, the father of Daniel Ivandjiiski, who founded Zero Hedge.[40] According to the Boston Business Journal, the website "publishes financial news and opinion, aggregated and original" from a number of writers "who purportedly hail from within the financial industry."[41] Almost all in-house articles are signed under the collective pseudonym, "Tyler Durden", a character in the Chuck Palahniuk book and movie Fight Club.[41][2]

In September 2009, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born, U.S.-educated,[d] former hedge-fund trader, who was barred from the securities industry in September 2008 for earning US$780 from an insider trade by FINRA,[42] as the founder of the site, and reported that "Tyler Durden" was a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski.[2][43] FINRA rulings show Ivandjiiski worked for 3 years at New York investment bank, Jefferies & Co.,[44] as well a number of hedge funds, the last of which was Wexford Capital LLC, a fund led by former Goldman Sachs traders. [45] One site contributor, who spoke to New York magazine in an interview arranged by Ivandjiiski, said "up to 40" people could post under the "Tyler Durden" pseudonym.[2] The same New York magazine article, published on 27 September 2009, stated that Ivandjiiski's father was Krassimir Ivandjiiski,[2] a Bulgarian publisher and editor of the pro-Russia right-wing conspiracy theory website Strogo Sekretno ("Top Secret"),[1] and monthly publication Bulgarian Confidential, since 1994.[e][1]

He supports other peoples opinions if *they are the correct opinion*

Censorship is always the sign of a winning argument.

"The Russian position" may, or may not, be correct.

A fact that is "inconvienent" isn't necessarily incorrect unless you're married to an agenda, say like that of the Democratic Party.

I just hit ZH and there is a piece there by "Durden" quoting Turley.

So Turley is now part of the "vast Russian disinformation conspiracy?" I'm sure you'd agree if you're of a certain political stance.

My opinion is that "Russian disinformation" is what people who live in the 202 area code claim when their shitty arguments face reality.

ZH might be Russian leaning, or anti-establishment or whatever. It doesn't mean they are necessarily wrong, just delivering with a slant.

For every mythical decorated military veteran who is now witting Russian disinformation agent, there are now 50 "rock ribbed conservatives" working tirelessly for the Democratic Party.

If those are the conclusions you feel are best to draw from my statement, you are free to draw them.

ZeroHedge is doom porn but not, necessarily, Russian propaganda.

Wiki is crap. Long history of global warming propaganda.

Multiple articles bashing the global warming religion, and IIRC they wrote stuff supporting fracking.

The DOJ and FBI are deep into election meddling, in a much more significant way than Russia.

How many of us have been here long enough as adults, to remember the time when the published political views of Russian ex-pats were valued and esteemed - because they generally remembered what it was like to live under the boot of Soviet Communism/Statism/Propaganda, and so their slant was always anti-authoritarian/anti-communist, and pro-libertarian?

ME!!!!  :-)

Ron Unz shows that ZeroHedge is the #1 alternative outlet: Website Traffic

There is a reason for it.  ZeroHedge is worth reading.

If the legacy media was worth reading, I would look at it... but usually its just bullshit.

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That doesn’t address my question.

So, to pare away the attempted distraction-

Right or wrong, when has ZH disagreed with the Russians?

Has anyone posted the New Republic piece on Zero Hedge?

Is Zero Hedge a Russian Trojan Horse?

The piece contains quite a bit of background on Zero Hedge and its Russian -- Bulgarian, actually -- ties.


Wut? You say the New Republic is a commie liberal rag? Well, no shit, Sherlock . . . Here's a snippet.

I'm pretty damn sure the official Russian position isn't that they're human trafficking Cubans to fight in the Ukraine:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cuba-claims-rus-ran-human-trafficking-network-ship-cubans-russias-frontlines

No idea about zero hedge, but when both teams are putting out retardedly wild propaganda 24/7 anyone reporting reality will be maligned.  


Honestly the Uke bros and Russi bros are generally not all that self aware and best ignored, no amount of facts short of going there themselves will help them.

100% not our business as a country and if they want to fight for either side the keyboard warriors are free to fly there or cut a personal check.

100% of the articles aren’t parroting Russian propaganda.  That’s a given.  Question remains- have they ever disagreed with a Russian position on an issue?

Way to move those goalposts, bucko.

I didn't realize the Russians took a position on ADP reported unemployment data, the Bank of Canada holding their rate at 5%, the Evergrande bankruptcy, a tropical storm.

That's four articles from just hitting ZH right now.

Of course, I could make the argument of when the WaPo has disagreed with Jeff Bezos, or NPR hailing the efforts of the Trump administration as far thinking.

Ooops!!!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-scores-direct-drone-hit-central-rostov-home-russian-military-hq

This thread has gone from sad to depressing, as people whom I know are fully capable of processing the english language pretend they cannot do so, if and when it advances their rhetorical effort.

The domain is owned by a former soviet official.  It’s headquartered in Bulgaria.

Are these things correct?  Just checking…

Probably coincidence.

I have said multiple the Ukraine war has pretty much ended my hope in the ability of man to observe and evolved their thinking based on what they actually see instead of sticking with what they believe.

Lol



Yeah because invading your neighbor isn't escalation.

JHC.