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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:09:06 PM EDT
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Enjoy these salad days, the end is near.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yep, I think this is commonly lost on some. The more crazy the competition becomes the better cars become on all sides. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:15:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:19:05 PM EDT
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I like the new corvette, but would rather take this: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/i-sale-auto.com/vehicle/5977/6c/thumb_59776c5c7585cd2fff3b740d_vehicle_hd.jpeg 
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:20:40 PM EDT
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Worth repeating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Worth repeating. Also, like Ford, Chevy claims it wasn't going for a record, rather the time was set during validation testing for the ZR1. What's next? Dodge takes a Viper ACR, sets a new record, and then claims they didn't intend to set the record because a child was driving it, it was stuck in third gear the whole time, and the kid parked it near where the oak tree was for a brief picnic. It could happen. Probably? Maybe?" In otherwords: Bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:21:02 PM EDT
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No dog in this fight but in the Rolex last weekend, Ford 1-2, Corvette 3-4. Jus’ sayin’ TC ETA: Who cares what the Dodges can do, they can’t turn. Anyone can go fast in a straight line... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/197999/300F9748-AA1C-47A9-8840-C1CB4B33EE51-437294.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, the Vettes can dominate 24 hour races. HOWEVER, the Ford GTs finished 1, 2 at Daytona 24hr last weekend. http://fordauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Ford-GT-Le-Mans-at-Daytona-24.jpg |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:38:15 PM EDT
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There are three types of halo cars. Engine cars. Suspension cars. Accoutrement cars. Each type possess qualities of the other cars that blows average cars out of the water, but that is not their focus. A Bentley has a powerful engine and amazing suspension, but it's all about the accoutrements. Corvette is an engine car. Ford GT (new one) is a suspension car. You're comparing two different types of cars. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:55:53 PM EDT
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Bear with me as I know very little, shouldn't the suspension car beat the engine car? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are three types of halo cars. Engine cars. Suspension cars. Accoutrement cars. Each type possess qualities of the other cars that blows average cars out of the water, but that is not their focus. A Bentley has a powerful engine and amazing suspension, but it's all about the accoutrements. Corvette is an engine car. Ford GT (new one) is a suspension car. You're comparing two different types of cars. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:56:51 PM EDT
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Oddly enough he still set a track record. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That driver was sloppy as hell. On one turn it looked like his 'drifting' days caught up with him and he almost went off the track - he got back on it way too early, like he wanted to throw the tail out and dirt track. I know the feeling. If you like to dirt track it gets to be automatic, but you can't let it get out on a freaking road course. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:59:05 PM EDT
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And we care because.......? |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:00:11 PM EDT
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Since when has anyone ever given a shit about lap times on VIR?
Go run the ring. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:01:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:13:37 PM EDT
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Since when has anyone ever given a shit about lap times on VIR? Go run the ring. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:25:02 PM EDT
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How many laps can it do before it burns itself down due to cooling issues though? |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:35:31 PM EDT
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I hate VIR in that configuration. Time for some Forza hot laps!  |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:39:04 PM EDT
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Pretty damn sure the 8 speed 6th gen Camaro has been doing that since its release and doesn't need to be optioned to close to $50k to do it. The 2650 supercharger is the PD supercharger that's been needed to exist for a long time. VMP will have a field day putting them on mustangs too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gotta love it. The new Mustang GT gets sub 12 seconds 1/4 mile stock and Camaro fan boys bitch and complain. The new ZR1 sets a lap record and people bitch for some reason or another. People always have lame excuses why one car beat another. I'm not even a vette fan, but that's fuckin awesome. All I know is that as a Ford guy, when Chevy puts out something new and amazing, that means Ford has to step it up. Win - Win. The 2650 supercharger is the PD supercharger that's been needed to exist for a long time. VMP will have a field day putting them on mustangs too. But here you go...making excuses again. I'm not bashing the Camaro. It's an amazing performing car, what is it with people that come in and say "YEAH BUT!!" why can't you just be happy that the 2018 GT appears to be a little faster in the 1/4? If you're not, you should be because that means the 2019 Camaro will come out even BETTER. Like I said, it's a win-win, no excuses or justifications required. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:08:21 AM EDT
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Still a vette. Meh.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:14:58 AM EDT
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There are three types of halo cars. Engine cars. Suspension cars. Accoutrement cars. Each type possess qualities of the other cars that blows average cars out of the water, but that is not their focus. A Bentley has a powerful engine and amazing suspension, but it's all about the accoutrements. Corvette is an engine car. Ford GT (new one) is a suspension car. You're comparing two different types of cars. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:15:29 AM EDT
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first post nails it. plus ZTK or whatever? never heard of it. so its some aftermarket boutique chevy against a box stock ford? sounds legit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many laps can it do before it burns itself down due to cooling issues though? It's a GM thing for regular production order codes to become the public name for the option. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:22:45 AM EDT
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dey don't thank dat supacharger be like it do.....but it do
that sound though 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:34:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AFAIK there's been one STOCK Camaro run at sub 12, and I believe it was an LT1 or whatever their track car is, but I may be mistaken about that. The guy that tested the stock GT got 3 back to back sub 12 second runs the first time they tested it. Oh, and it's not 50k. You can get all the performance goodies without the frills for like 44k MSRP....which is like 40 OTD. But here you go...making excuses again. I'm not bashing the Camaro. It's an amazing performing car, what is it with people that come in and say "YEAH BUT!!" why can't you just be happy that the 2018 GT appears to be a little faster in the 1/4? If you're not, you should be because that means the 2019 Camaro will come out even BETTER. Like I said, it's a win-win, no excuses or justifications required. Four. Bone stock. On a forum that is made up of mainly older people who don't race or mod their car as much.Probably way more out there An 11.9 in 12/2015. Pretty sure there's people in the 10's with bolt-on's. 1LE is the track package If I had the money yeah i'd have a PP1/10-speed/3.55 GT out of all the cars out there right now. The one I configured was $47-48k on a GT Premium. No excuses to be made. I'm not a brand loyalist in the slightest. This past fall it was either go back to school or buy a Ruby Red 13-14 GT. I chose to learn how to program robots. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:38:51 AM EDT
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http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427506 Four. Bone stock. On a forum that is made up of mainly older people who don't race or mod their car as much.Probably way more out there An 11.9 in 12/2015. Pretty sure there's people in the 10's with bolt-on's. 1LE is the track package If I had the money yeah i'd have a PP1/10-speed/3.55 GT out of all the cars out there right now. The one I configured was $47-48k on a GT Premium. No excuses to be made. I'm not a brand loyalist in the slightest. This past fall it was either go back to school or buy a Ruby Red 13-14 GT. I chose to learn how to program robots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: AFAIK there's been one STOCK Camaro run at sub 12, and I believe it was an LT1 or whatever their track car is, but I may be mistaken about that. The guy that tested the stock GT got 3 back to back sub 12 second runs the first time they tested it. Oh, and it's not 50k. You can get all the performance goodies without the frills for like 44k MSRP....which is like 40 OTD. But here you go...making excuses again. I'm not bashing the Camaro. It's an amazing performing car, what is it with people that come in and say "YEAH BUT!!" why can't you just be happy that the 2018 GT appears to be a little faster in the 1/4? If you're not, you should be because that means the 2019 Camaro will come out even BETTER. Like I said, it's a win-win, no excuses or justifications required. Four. Bone stock. On a forum that is made up of mainly older people who don't race or mod their car as much.Probably way more out there An 11.9 in 12/2015. Pretty sure there's people in the 10's with bolt-on's. 1LE is the track package If I had the money yeah i'd have a PP1/10-speed/3.55 GT out of all the cars out there right now. The one I configured was $47-48k on a GT Premium. No excuses to be made. I'm not a brand loyalist in the slightest. This past fall it was either go back to school or buy a Ruby Red 13-14 GT. I chose to learn how to program robots.
Anyway, people get all defensive and my point is that competition is good for everyone. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:40:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Corvettes have won a lot of 24 hour races....like the little one in France http://www.gminsidenews.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cq5dam.web_.1280.1280-39-1024x534.jpeg https://icdn-8.motor1.com/images/mgl/gy9gE/s4/chevrolet-corvette-c6-r-le-mans.jpg |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:43:06 AM EDT
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Its natural for folks to be passionate about driving a car they'll never own on a track they will never drive on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since when has anyone ever given a shit about lap times on VIR? Go run the ring. The absolute best comparison is a variety of courses: power course, very technical trwisty course, and a course that is a very even mix. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:44:54 AM EDT
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what trim/package do I order so I can win LeMans?
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:45:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWere any Euros that may have had a proper suspension able to compete? I bet most of that was due to everyone else having a shit solid rear axle vs the Corvette IRS.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:49:54 AM EDT
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what trim/package do I order so I can win LeMans? http://prattmiller.com |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:49:57 AM EDT
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That driver was sloppy as hell. On one turn it looked like his 'drifting' days caught up with him and he almost went off the track - he got back on it way too early, like he wanted to throw the tail out and dirt track. I know the feeling. If you like to dirt track it gets to be automatic, but you can't let it get out on a freaking road course. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:51:06 AM EDT
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Ford vs Chevy dick wagging contest.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:54:04 AM EDT
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The statement is false. The Corvette cannot be a 2019 production model if production is only starting in May. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link Chevrolet announced today it was able to lap a 2019 ZR1 equipped with the optional eight-speed auto and ZTK performance package around VIR in 2:37.25. That's 1.37 seconds quicker than the Ford GT's time, making the ZR1 the fastest production vehicle to ever lap the course.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7j1gCM6-5M
Man do I love the new muscle car wars. We are all winners. The statement is false. The Corvette cannot be a 2019 production model if production is only starting in May. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:56:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell at least it is not a manual vs auto contest. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:59:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. The GT was 11.8 I think....as long as we're comparing prices, what's a 1LE go for?
Anyway, people get all defensive and my point is that competition is good for everyone. Main point of my post was that I was glad GM chose the 2650 supercharger to put on the ZR1. It has a lot of promise and seems to be way more efficient than other PD superchargers of comparable size. That and the 1.7 on 6.2 in ZO6's is a wee bit undersized. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:01:53 AM EDT
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I don't think ZTK is an aftermarket brand, I think it's a GM RPO code...kinda like ZR1, Z06, 1LE, ZL1 Z51,Z71, ZR2, lb7,lly,lbz,lml,lmm, ls1-9 lt1 lt4 etc. It's a GM thing for regular production order codes to become the public name for the option. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many laps can it do before it burns itself down due to cooling issues though? It's a GM thing for regular production order codes to become the public name for the option. "The $2,995 ZTK package gives the car a whole bunch of aggressive features, including an adjustable carbon fiber wing, a front splitter, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, and track-ready magnetic ride control." |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:02:16 AM EDT
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Can't wait to get old and buy a Vette so I can drive it 5 below the speed limit. Lol! Every vet I see is blocking traffic and driving like shit! Are you required to go half the speed limit to match your IQ or what. I always loved vets but would never want to be one of "those" |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:06:16 AM EDT
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first post nails it. plus ZTK or whatever? never heard of it. so its some aftermarket boutique chevy against a box stock ford? sounds legit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many laps can it do before it burns itself down due to cooling issues though? |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:10:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, but it'll never have the prestige as owning a Ford GT. Lap times are overated for us mortals, like comparing hp numbers. We're splitting hairs here. It all about the driver, weather, and track conditions at this level.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:15:09 AM EDT
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You just call these people, tell them what you want to do and they will handle the rest... http://prattmiller.com I could completely fuck up the drive-thru at a drive-thru liquor store in one of those. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:29:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNo forced induction and no fancy transmission, they gave that car one hell of a send off. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:44:23 AM EDT
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10 production car lap records, I'd be more impressed if GM went after those records instead of Ford "we weren't really trying so when you beat us it doesn't matter" No forced induction and no fancy transmission, they gave that car one hell of a send off. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:03:40 AM EDT
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That driver was sloppy as hell. On one turn it looked like his 'drifting' days caught up with him and he almost went off the track - he got back on it way too early, like he wanted to throw the tail out and dirt track. I know the feeling. If you like to dirt track it gets to be automatic, but you can't let it get out on a freaking road course. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:07:55 AM EDT
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well dang, crossing a Ford GT off my shopping list
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:44:05 AM EDT
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Given that fewer than 1% of either car will ever see a track - its all magazine fanboy racing. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:46:50 AM EDT
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I think they put a lot of effort into cooling the ZR1, the early Z06 problems were just really embarrassing. They also when full retard on the aero for the ZR1, and to say that the ZR1 isn't a suspension car is just silly. Say what you want about GM, Ford didn't license suspension tech to Ferrari, or put spool valve dampers on a pony car, or a pickup. There are places where GM pays attention, and they are pretty badass, then there is everywhere else. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:35:43 AM EDT
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first post nails it. plus ZTK or whatever? never heard of it. so its some aftermarket boutique chevy against a box stock ford? sounds legit. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 5:27:41 AM EDT
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I respect and would love to own both of them. That said, you Ford guys are going to crying rivers, and you Chevy guys are going to be tugging each other like crazy when the mid engine Corvette comes out soon.
Ford is going to have to offer a special edition or something. I think the mid engine Corvette is going to have a lot of their competitors not knowing what to do. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 5:35:51 AM EDT
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Sales Managers entering their mid-life crisis must be rejoicing around the globe.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 5:48:39 AM EDT
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I like how the driver just said fuck it and started plowing over the curbs and wake up strips.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 6:29:04 AM EDT
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All the new production sports car's are awesome, remember it was not too long ago that most cars sucked bigly! |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 8:28:40 AM EDT
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The Corvette is a sports car. Supercars have their engines in the back. The Corvette is not a Supercar. It's a damn good Sports car, but it isn't a supercar. Just like the Mustang in all of its forms isn't a sportscar (too many seats, and yes, the GT350R gets lumped in there too, because its based on a car that came with too many seats  )Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Corvette haters gonna hate! As far as I'm concerned, the Vette is an amazing supercar, and the cherry on the top? It will beat 90% of supercars costing 3 and 4 times as much!! 'Murica!! Just thought I'd add that a 2017 Z06 did 2:39.77 @ VIR, not too shabby for a sub $100,000.00 car! Supercars have their engines in the back. The Corvette is not a Supercar. It's a damn good Sports car, but it isn't a supercar. Just like the Mustang in all of its forms isn't a sportscar (too many seats, and yes, the GT350R gets lumped in there too, because its based on a car that came with too many seats )
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Posted: 2/1/2018 8:39:14 AM EDT
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Damn, computer graphics are really getting realistic. When does the new GTR game come out?
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