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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:38:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As time goes on more and more research is showing the harm it's causing to people. Pot is not some magical harmless drug. People are gonna do drugs whether legal or not. No law has ever reduced the demand or supply of illegal drugs. Since the day I was born till today I can get any illegal drug that exists within an hour and so can anyone else. The only one.that has ever been hard to get is peyote and that's just because it takes forever to grow and there isn't enough demand for large grow operations. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:41:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. Plus 1 Look how much it made Colorado a Better Place to live! 
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:42:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. Did you come up with that Dumb statement all by yourself?? 
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:57:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus 1 Look how much it made Colorado a Better Place to live! |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 5:22:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't have a War on Drugs if the drugs are legal... Hey! Why not? Guns are supposedly legal but the ATF will SWAT a legal gun owner just about the same as the DEA goes after people selling drugs. I'm sure the .gov will find a way to continue their drug war regardless. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 5:52:18 AM EDT
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I support legalization, but I’m already tired of having to smell the shit driving down every road in VA and having to explain to my little kids why people stink like skunks in stores.
Liberty and Responsibility were meant to exist together. We’ve lost the responsible part. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 5:54:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. The best quality is pedigree weed. Expensive true. Sort of like a top shelf bourbon or scotch vs bootleg. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 5:57:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. LOL. No. That film was propaganda . |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 6:01:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It should be legal since it is so easy to test drivers for being over the legal limit, right? Because anyone who would be impaired and drive (illegal) would worry about having MJ (illegal). Do you all listen to yourselves? We use the same argument against gun laws. Murderer isnt bothered breaking a law against owning a gun. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 6:03:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol There is no black market in recreational legal states. Not much in the bordering states, either. The quality, prices and vast variety in dispensaries have relegated that market to the dustbin.  |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 6:07:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 6:40:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:The "regulate it and tax it" proved not to work in California, because government greed ruins it all, if legalization is going to get the criminal element out of the trade, it needs to be like radishes... grow it, use it, knock your socks off, and other than maybe sales tax, the government can GTFO. I understood that arrests and convictions for cannabis were WAY DOWN following the legalization of the it, I'd need hard proof before I believed otherwise.
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Posted: 5/25/2024 7:22:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It goes back further than that. There were concerns about it being habit forming and some states regulated it well prior to the marijuana tax act. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. I’d say it is habit forming. I have a sister who’s been smoking it for 47 years and she’s a 65yr old brainless wasteoid. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 7:29:15 AM EDT
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There are studies showing a direct correlation between early teens smoking weed during formative years and mental health issues
Keep in mind that this isn’t the weed smoked at Woodstock. The THC levels are often 3 or 4 times what they were. I’d add in Spice and other synthetic variants along with people sprinkling or spraying other narcotics on weed as a separate issue. I’d imagine routine alcohol use while the brain is forming would be bad as well. I really don’t care if grown adults choose to smoke weed and I’d be cool with simple possession being a traffic ticket type offense but I don’t think it should be legalized and I definitely wouldn’t want my family using it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 7:35:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 7:40:40 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. 'Cause it can be grown just about anywhere, by anyone, so the government can't control enough of it to ensure the desired profit. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 7:53:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: .why isn't it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol ? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified . |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:01:49 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: Quoted: Plus 1 Look how much it made Colorado a Better Place to live! |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:15:49 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:21:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are studies showing a direct correlation between early teens smoking weed during formative years and mental health issues I doubt anyone here believes legalized weed should be sold to minors. Keep in mind that this isn’t the weed smoked at Woodstock. The THC levels are often 3 or 4 times what they were. Irrelevant. That's just a result of decades of selective breeding I’d add in Spice and other synthetic variants along with people sprinkling or spraying other narcotics on weed as a separate issue. For a legal dispensary, this would be treated no differently than if they sold food or medicine they had intentionally poisoned. I’d imagine routine alcohol use while the brain is forming would be bad as well. It is, and this is well known. It's why underage drinking is already illegal. I really don’t care if grown adults choose to smoke weed and I’d be cool with simple possession being a traffic ticket type offense but I don’t think it should be legalized and I definitely wouldn’t want my family using it. Notes added. The statements in blue are in conflict as well. I don't care about pot. I have no interest in using it. The war on drugs has resulted in a panoply of civil rights abuses. Legalization would at least force that effort to focus on drugs that are significantly more harmful. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:21:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. That's because you don't live in the hood. Some people don't care about quality, they only care about price. This was explained to me by, um, someone who has lived this life for over 50 years. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:23:00 AM EDT
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The cartels and other organized crime groups that move it in bulk arent going to give up some percentage of their revenues to any government
Well, they sort of do by paying off congresspeople and senators |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:28:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of the prices in the dispensaries in Washington are like 10-15% of what it was when some kids I knew in highschool were buying it. That's a legitimate issue, also, how can you tell if the guy who just drove your forklift through a door and off the dock got high two hours ago or on Saturday night last week. Add a Weed rider to your policy. Shouldn't be much more. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:28:57 AM EDT
[#24]
follow the money
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:29:46 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biggest guess at a federal level is pharma has a ton of control over the government and if it becomes too legit they lose billions in lack of pain pill sales and probably more billions in drugs to treat people dying from alcohol. I'd imagine corporations invested in alcohol pressure against it as well. The government tried to ban nicotine vapor products which are exponentially less harmful than smoking just to keep cash flowing from tobacco taxes. The government and corporations have no problem killing you if the price is right Tavern league, alcohol and beer industry lobby against it also |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:29:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's because you don't live in the hood. Some people don't care about quality, they only care about price. This was explained to me by, um, someone who has lived this life for over 50 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. That's because you don't live in the hood. Some people don't care about quality, they only care about price. This was explained to me by, um, someone who has lived this life for over 50 years. Get rid of the federal prohibition and the tobacco companies might just get into the game and sell pot right alongside their other product lines. Even if they don't, removing that prohibition would permit a significant increase in the scale of production, which brings with it significant cost reductions for the potheads. While it may not price black market sellers out of the market, it will make their customer base largely disappear as the safer alternatives will be affordable. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:37:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Missouri did that . . . well, the people of Missouri did through the initiative petition. It's seems to be working out well: "Since Missouri’s marijuana sales began in 2019, the state has collected more than $150 million in revenue from taxes and program fees . . . State Rep. Dave Griffith, a Republican from Jefferson City and the veterans committee chairman, said the numbers are encouraging. “The amount of sales that they’ve had with commercial marijuana has been just record-breaking and exceeded all expectations and projections,” he said." Missouri marijuana revenue will mean nearly $20 million to support veterans this year |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:37:48 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. Big pharma. If people can grow thier own drugs legally, they won't go to the doctor to get a script for big pharma drugs. Also, look how much money the .gov pumps into the drug war. How much would the prison system shrink if drugs were legal? |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:39:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:44:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. Yeah, just like people still buy moonshine liquor cooked up in the woods instead of going to the liquor store on the corner. Legal booze everywhere but the bootleggers are still thriving . . . oh, right. Never mind. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:50:39 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Add a Weed rider to your policy. Shouldn't be much more. I don't understand what you mean. I was trying to point out that when someone has an accident in the workplace, they're normally sent for a drug test. If they are drunk, they can see that(BAC), so if they drank on Friday night and had an accident Monday morning, they will be able to test and see that they are sober. I don't believe a test for THC exists that can tell if the person is currently under the influence of it vs having used it at some point in the recent past. If it's legal, I don't think you could have a zero tolerance policy for it. Can you have a policy that says employees can't drink alcohol outside of work? |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:54:58 AM EDT
[#32]
lol buy cannabis stocks now. Cry about the devils lettuce all the way to the bank.
Waiting for Florida to have both constitutional carry and legal weed to watch the Fedboi and statist heads explode. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:59:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure it was about the hemp trade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. Pretty sure it was about the hemp trade. ^^^ This^^^ They're trying to tax legal pot out of business but it's bumping up business for the cartels. Someone needs to pay for the human trafficking and slave labor camps! |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:00:59 AM EDT
[#34]
In IL taxing marijuana was supposed to be an economic boom that would solve all our problems. Not seeing it.
There absolutely is a black market for weed where it is legal. That's what the whole medical card scam is. Go to a doc-in-a-box. Tell them you have PTSD. Boom, medical card for tax free mj. What do you think happens to weed that doesn't pass the dispensary QC process? You don't think it is actually destroyed do you? It goes out the back door to be sold at a in non-legal states. If you know where to look, you can do an Uber Eats type deal. That's how a lot of the under 21 crowd, hs or college kids, get their weed. As for investment, I know several people who have invested big into mj. The only ones who have made money so far were the ones who cashed out. Legally, banks can't touch mj money. It is difficult for courts to enforce mj related contracts. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:10:01 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. It IS legal, taxed, and regulated here in Michigan. The Fed Bois aren't doing the Civil Asset Forfeiture dance at dispensaries and they're not taking the taxes as Ill gotten gains. I'm picking up some edibles for my girlfriend later today. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:12:44 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It IS legal, taxed, and regulated here in Michigan. The Fed Bois aren't doing the Civil Asset Forfeiture dance at dispensaries and they're not taking the taxes as Ill gotten gains. I'm picking up some edibles for my girlfriend later today. Does it make your girlfriend want to rape black men? That's risky. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:13:19 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. Fact |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:14:18 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. To add, with all the fentanyl laced shit out there, why would anyone buy black market stuff. Why take the chance? Unless its your hippie uncle selling to you. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:16:32 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. It’s exactly the same, often in the same packaging. ETA: We’ve taken it off our son and his friends when they were younger when we lived in CA. It’s the same stuff and smells so strong it was easy to catch them with it. We even caught him with a brownie that was packaged and labeled for stores. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:18:17 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In IL taxing marijuana was supposed to be an economic boom that would solve all our problems. Not seeing it. There absolutely is a black market for weed where it is legal. That's what the whole medical card scam is. Go to a doc-in-a-box. Tell them you have PTSD. Boom, medical card for tax free mj. What do you think happens to weed that doesn't pass the dispensary QC process? You don't think it is actually destroyed do you? It goes out the back door to be sold at a in non-legal states. If you know where to look, you can do an Uber Eats type deal. That's how a lot of the under 21 crowd, hs or college kids, get their weed. As for investment, I know several people who have invested big into mj. The only ones who have made money so far were the ones who cashed out. Legally, banks can't touch mj money. It is difficult for courts to enforce mj related contracts. That’s because JB Pritzker just took all the money gained from the taxes and added it to his food budget. He literally eats all the profits. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:19:25 AM EDT
[#41]
Eventually the Federal government will enter the market and do like they did with the beer and liquor industry and poison the black market, literally with adulterated products.
Your seeing it now in Illinois with Fentanyl |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:22:14 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It goes back further than that. There were concerns about it being habit forming and some states regulated it well prior to the marijuana tax act. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. Pharmaceutical companies also lobbied for it to be illegal because it has legitimate medical uses, and they didn’t want to compete with something you can grow in your back yard. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:23:34 AM EDT
[#43]
Control.
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:26:04 AM EDT
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A better question is why do NIMBY's always want to tax the living hell out of things they don't like?
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:26:31 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: .why isn't it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol ? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified . Nixon was a prick......We can start there. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:27:42 AM EDT
[#46]
Seeing cannon is hyperemesis syndrome almost daily at this point
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:33:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Blow over the limit at a drug screen you should have your offer yanked. Not going to waste my time arguing causation, but there is absolutely a correlation that as weed has become more acceptable.... Homelessness has Increased Depression + Suicide Increased Crime Has Skyrocketed Vehicle Accidents and Intoxicated drivers have skyrocketed Vehicle Insurance has increased Drug use in teens has increased The Great Resignation happened Skilled Workers have vanished Our society is sick and getting worse. The push for legalization is because they want us sitting at home, fat, dumb, stoned and watching Netflix of playing Xbox. It's literally the modern day "opium for the masses" . As time goes on more and more research is showing the harm it's causing to people. Pot is not some magical harmless drug. The act that Nixon signed making Mary Jane a schedule 1 along side heroin etc if you look at the actual requirements guess what else should have been on there? Alcohol and Tobacco but they got special exemptions. Anything can be abused. But Cannabis does have things that do help pain management and other ailments. The war on Marijuana has cost us billions of dollars and countless lives ruined....For what? Because the fear of some political idiot? Listening to the Governor of Florida's reasoning for being against it and I quote "it stinks" .....Sorry dip shit thats not a valid reason. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:35:33 AM EDT
[#48]
We need a Marijuana subforum. KColg should be the moderator.
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:35:33 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol There is no black market in recreational legal states. Not much in the bordering states, either. The quality, prices and vast variety in dispensaries have relegated that market to the dustbin. The fuck you say. Hell, even in Colorado, there are illegal grow houses busted all the time, as well as busts of it coming from Mexico, since when you don't have to pay the taxes on either growing it, or selling it, still a good profit when you are competing against the ones that are having to pay the taxes. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 9:40:51 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biggest guess at a federal level is pharma has a ton of control over the government and if it becomes too legit they lose billions in lack of pain pill sales and probably more billions in drugs to treat people dying from alcohol. I'd imagine corporations invested in alcohol pressure against it as well. The government tried to ban nicotine vapor products which are exponentially less harmful than smoking just to keep cash flowing from tobacco taxes. The government and corporations have no problem killing you if the price is right They also don't like it because weed is remarkably easy to grow. With home grow kits, advanced lighting etc you can produce weed that's better quality than a lot of what the commercial market has. You can't make your own asprin etc. Pharma doesn't like weed because it is something they can't control. And yes I am in the cannabis field in CO but I was interested in the medical benefits of this plant long before. I've learned a hell of a lot living in CO when it comes to Mary Jane. We tend to focus on the liberal hippies but there's a shit load of freedom loving folk who want it legalized as well. |
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