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Physicists Think They've Spotted the Ghosts of Black Holes from Another Universe
We are not living in the first universe. There were other universes, in other eons, before ours, a group of physicists has said. Like ours, these universes were full of black holes. And we can detect traces of those long-dead black holes in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) — the radiation that is a remnant of our universe's violent birth.
*** "If the universe goes on and on and the black holes gobble up everything, at a certain point, we're only going to have black holes," he told Live Science. According to Hawking's most famous theory, black holes slowly lose some of their mass and energy over time through radiation of massless particles called gravitons and photons. *** At that point, some physicists (including Penrose) argue, the vast, empty, post-black-hole universe starts to resemble the ultra-compressed universe at the moment of the big bang, where there's no time or distance between anything. "And then it starts all over again," An said. View Quote Or black holes are like PacMan gobbling everything up until there is nothing left and the big bang is like resetting the video game and we are just part of some higher beings private arcade. |
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Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time.
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Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time. View Quote We may assemble our own freestanding caves and our technological stone of choice is silica, but cavemen we will be. |
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Roger is still alive? Wow. Haven't read his stuff in years. Must be me.
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Or black holes are like PacMan gobbling everything up until there is nothing left and the big bang is like resetting the video game and we are just part of some higher beings private arcade. View Quote |
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Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time. View Quote I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. |
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It's so funny when they say shit like this without any real scientific evidence to support the theories. Fun to read, but so full of holes (not black ones). Part of this one is also akin to reincarnation of the universe.
As one of the leading experts has said in a physics.org article, "The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there." There is also the recognized problem of scientists throwing out theories because they have a strong desire and interest in publishing "new science" that disrupts existing thinking. That's one of the reasons that they will latch onto any bit of math that can be used to theoretically "potentially" support the oddball ideas. And, it's all guesswork so if you can get a few scientists to say that you might be right, you win - in publishing, research funding, etc. |
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote |
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It's so funny when they say shit like this without any real scientific evidence to support the theories. Fun to read, but so full of holes (not black ones). Part of this one is also akin to reincarnation of the universe. As one of the leading experts has said in a physics.org article, "The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there." There is also the recognized problem of scientists throwing out theories because they have a strong desire and interest in publishing "new science" that disrupts existing thinking. That's one of the reasons that they will latch onto any bit of math that can be used to theoretically "potentially" support the oddball ideas. And, it's all guesswork so if you can get a few scientists to say that you might be right, you win - in publishing, research funding, etc. View Quote |
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Until science can answer "why", not just "what" and " how", religion will continue to exist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. There will always be people that feel the need to hand control of their lives over to some sort of higher power, imaginary or not. One of the biggest things about religion though, especially the primitive ones on up until the origins of modern Abrahamic ones was trying to explain the (at that time, anyway) unexplainable. We've now managed to actually figure out what's going on with all of that, how it happened...and in many cases why it happens. Not everything though, but give it time. |
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Quoted: That's part of why I said "basically obsolete" There will always be people that feel the need to hand control of their lives over to some sort of higher power, imaginary or not. One of the biggest things about religion though, especially the primitive ones on up until the origins of modern Abrahamic ones was trying to explain the (at that time, anyway) unexplainable. We've now managed to actually figure out what's going on with all of that, how it happened...and in many cases why it happens. Not everything though, but give it time. View Quote |
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Until science can answer "why", not just "what" and " how", religion will continue to exist. View Quote I do believe THAT will be the last days of the human race. You think the left gets unhinged when you prove their sacred cows get gored, you ain't seen nothing until you challenge ones sky god's superiority or existence. |
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote |
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote |
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It's so funny when they say shit like this without any real scientific evidence to support the theories. Fun to read, but so full of holes (not black ones). Part of this one is also akin to reincarnation of the universe. As one of the leading experts has said in a physics.org article, "The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there." There is also the recognized problem of scientists throwing out theories because they have a strong desire and interest in publishing "new science" that disrupts existing thinking. That's one of the reasons that they will latch onto any bit of math that can be used to theoretically "potentially" support the oddball ideas. And, it's all guesswork so if you can get a few scientists to say that you might be right, you win - in publishing, research funding, etc. View Quote So we dont have a consistent and accurate description of one of the most fundamental parts of the universe. I am not saying that QED isn't incredibly useful, same goes for general relativity... but neither are consistent or universal. Why not figure that one out before trying to guess at the grand nature of everything.... |
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Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time. View Quote |
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No shit. This just reinforces my theory which i posted here before.
In the beginning there was only dark matter. Then the dark matter was sublimated into matter in an event we have called the big bang. Black holes suck in matter and depose it into dark matter and eject it out, eventually deposing all matter back to dark. And then the sublimation happens again, an endless cycle. |
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Wobblin-Goblin: Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time.
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Wobblin-Goblin: Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time.
Socio: Maybe it is the same universe, with a first floor and a second floor and black holes are like elevator of sorts with a slow motion down button only, once they take everything down to the first floor and express elevator shoots it all back up to the second floor with a big bang and a whole new layout. TescoVee: Your statement presumes the universe needs to have a purpose given to it. I reject that premise, as the universe needs not have any purpose other that that I give it. Recusance:The interesting an still unrealized result that remains yet unanswered is what will humanity do with itself once God is dis-proven and a myth?
I do believe THAT will be the last days of the human race. You think the left gets unhinged when you prove their sacred cows get gored, you ain't seen nothing until you challenge ones sky god's superiority or existence. Human species* |
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The interesting an still unrealized result that remains yet unanswered is what will humanity do with itself once God is dis-proven and a myth? I do believe THAT will be the last days of the human race. You think the left gets unhinged when you prove their sacred cows get gored, you ain't seen nothing until you challenge ones sky god's superiority or existence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Until science can answer "why", not just "what" and " how", religion will continue to exist. I do believe THAT will be the last days of the human race. You think the left gets unhinged when you prove their sacred cows get gored, you ain't seen nothing until you challenge ones sky god's superiority or existence. No matter what evidence is presented, a large portion of the population will reject it. Look at the huge number of young earth creationists for proof of this. |
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All matter compressed into very small space. It explodes and expands (Big Bang) until it is all gathered back up into black holes and recompressed into very small space, then it explodes and expands? Soooo...we're part of the fuel in a recycling perpetual motion engine powering some machine in a much larger universe.
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Just a pin point of space has revealed many other entire galaxies.
There are other universes way way out in the distance. Think of it as our entire know universe is but a grain of sand on the beach |
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote |
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It's so funny when they say shit like this without any real scientific evidence to support the theories. Fun to read, but so full of holes (not black ones). Part of this one is also akin to reincarnation of the universe. As one of the leading experts has said in a physics.org article, "The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there." There is also the recognized problem of scientists throwing out theories because they have a strong desire and interest in publishing "new science" that disrupts existing thinking. That's one of the reasons that they will latch onto any bit of math that can be used to theoretically "potentially" support the oddball ideas. And, it's all guesswork so if you can get a few scientists to say that you might be right, you win - in publishing, research funding, etc. View Quote |
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For weak willed and mentally feeble, sure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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That's part of why I said "basically obsolete" There will always be people that feel the need to hand control of their lives over to some sort of higher power, imaginary or not. One of the biggest things about religion though, especially the primitive ones on up until the origins of modern Abrahamic ones was trying to explain the (at that time, anyway) unexplainable. We've now managed to actually figure out what's going on with all of that, how it happened...and in many cases why it happens. Not everything though, but give it time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. There will always be people that feel the need to hand control of their lives over to some sort of higher power, imaginary or not. One of the biggest things about religion though, especially the primitive ones on up until the origins of modern Abrahamic ones was trying to explain the (at that time, anyway) unexplainable. We've now managed to actually figure out what's going on with all of that, how it happened...and in many cases why it happens. Not everything though, but give it time. Why? In addition to his natural genius, he had an insatiable quest for knowledge. That kind of humility is rare in today's world. For example, you think we know most of the answers, but you'd be shocked to know that we don't even know the questions. We don't know if Time is real. We don't know what Gravity is. We don't understand the nature of Photons. We don't understand the connection between the Newtonian world in which we live, and the Quantum world which makes up our Universe. The more we learn, the more it seems that we are just seeing a human centric reflection of the truth. Things in the quantum world do not fit our definition of reality. It might as well be Harry Potter Witchcraft, ... or God... I wish more people had the ability to grasp the wonder of it. You don't even have to read. Start with some YouTube videos. |
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Quoted: It depends, mankind seems hell bent on going backwards, elevating weak and suppressing the strong, trading higher education for useless knowledge, perverting our history leaving us no solid foundation to build upon etc... a 1000 years from now might look more like a 1000 years ago. View Quote |
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote |
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Interesting thread, but unfortunately it didn't take long for someone to drop the usual turd in the punch bowl.
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Roger has a microbrewery a few blocks from me. Like all fine microbrews, his is very good.
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We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Imagine how much more we know about our planet and universe today than 1,000 years ago. Now try to grasp how much more humans will know 1,000 years from now. It's exciting and depressing all at the same time. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. |
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Can you atheist guys ever just let a science thread exist without adding religion to it?
Good grief. And I'm a Christian! @ the OP, this is neat, but I'd have to see a lot more supporting evidence to counteract the decades of scientific research I've read from far bigger names. |
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Animal House 1978 one tiny little Atom under your fingernail |
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Take this with a few tons of salt. It's a theory from a Hawking collaborator, and they are trying to use it to explain something that is seen in the CMB data. Letting theorists post facto explain features of the data rarely leads you down the right road.
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It's so funny when they say shit like this without any real scientific evidence to support the theories. Fun to read, but so full of holes (not black ones). Part of this one is also akin to reincarnation of the universe. As one of the leading experts has said in a physics.org article, "The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there." There is also the recognized problem of scientists throwing out theories because they have a strong desire and interest in publishing "new science" that disrupts existing thinking. That's one of the reasons that they will latch onto any bit of math that can be used to theoretically "potentially" support the oddball ideas. And, it's all guesswork so if you can get a few scientists to say that you might be right, you win - in publishing, research funding, etc. View Quote |
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I’m sure the answers to the universe are easy to find. Attached File
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No shit. This just reinforces my theory which i posted here before. In the beginning there was only dark matter. Then the dark matter was sublimated into matter in an event we have called the big bang. Black holes suck in matter and depose it into dark matter and eject it out, eventually deposing all matter back to dark. And then the sublimation happens again, an endless cycle. View Quote |
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Quoted: We understand enough about science and physics and the universe and such to have made religions basically obsolete. There's no need for magical sky people to make things happen, we understand the mechanics and processes behind it all now. I think 20 years from now the discoveries will be so amazing that you wouldn't be able to guess at one right now. Proof: The phone in my hand right now was just straight up impossible 20 years ago. It contains or has access to the entire sum of human knowledge. It has more processing power than existed on the entire world up until the early 90s. I can hold it in my hand. Think about that for a minute. View Quote |
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It's impossible to disprove God. No matter what evidence is presented, a large portion of the population will reject it. Look at the huge number of young earth creationists for proof of this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Until science can answer "why", not just "what" and " how", religion will continue to exist. I do believe THAT will be the last days of the human race. You think the left gets unhinged when you prove their sacred cows get gored, you ain't seen nothing until you challenge ones sky god's superiority or existence. No matter what evidence is presented, a large portion of the population will reject it. Look at the huge number of young earth creationists for proof of this. |
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