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Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:11:16 PM EDT
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Yes.
Lenin.
Satlin.
Trotsky.
Dzerzhinsky.
Kerensky.
All Russians according to the czar.

You can hyphenate tho. Its a current commie thing.

Eta: are you playing sematics with the word 'committee'?That's the eqivalent of being a spelling Nazi or part of the Dupe police...
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Stalin was Georgian....
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:13:43 PM EDT
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"Clearly the intent of leaking audio of the state department doing X, is to bolster Moscow's narrative that the state department does X"

Textbook example of being sorry for getting caught
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Omg proof of globohomos

"The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.'



"Clearly the intent of leaking audio of the state department doing X, is to bolster Moscow's narrative that the state department does X"

Textbook example of being sorry for getting caught


Literally every ambassador for every country has, as his basic job, to keep tabs on unfolding political situations and provide advice to his bosses as to what might be the smartest next steps.

Tell us again how that call proves a CIA plan to overthrow the government, again? Did the CIA forget to loop Nuland in? But I thought she planned it? Did Pyatt plan it? Where was Zelenskyy in all of this, again?

Does the FSB usually do its planning with a spur of the moment unsecured call to ambassadors?
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:16:37 PM EDT
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"Clearly the intent of leaking audio of the state department doing X, is to bolster Moscow's narrative that the state department does X"

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Being caught talking about the US' preferred candidate?

Omg globohomo!

Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:18:53 PM EDT
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That's hilarious. In the context of the civil war in Ukraine being based on ethnicity and language. the Western Ukes couped the Eastern Ukes because 'speaking Russian'.
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Why do you insist on posting things that are completely, demonstrably false? You are a serial liar.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:23:03 PM EDT
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Zelensky warns military aid being sent to Ukraine by the West is not sufficient to defeat Russia as 80 countries backed its 'territorial integrity'



Volodymyr Zelensky yesterday warned the level of military aid being sent by the West is still not sufficient for Ukraine to defeat Russia as 80 countries backed its 'territorial integrity'.

Speaking at the end of a two-day conference in Switzerland billed as the start of a 'Path to Peace', Ukraine's president hailed the event as a 'success' despite a string of major countries failing to sign the communique – among them India, Saudi Arabia and South Africa.

Telling delegates that President Vladimir Putin was not ready for a 'just peace', Mr Zelensky said Ukraine was ready to negotiate with Russia 'tomorrow' - but only if its forces 'leave our legal territories'.

The two-day conference in the Bürgenstock resort in Switzerland came as Ukraine again struggles to repel Russian advances more than two years into the war, despite billions of dollars of Western military aid.

Following the summit - to which Russia was not invited, and which was snubbed by its key ally, China - 80 countries jointly called for Ukraine's 'territorial integrity' to be the basis for any peace agreement.

Issues of nuclear safety, food security and the exchange of prisoners would also be crucial, they agreed.



But he warned the current level of Western military aid being sent to his country was not enough to ensure Kyiv wins the war.

'There is aid,' he said.

'There are serious packages. Is it enough to win? No. Is it late? Yes.'


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Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:27:54 PM EDT
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MEA Secretary West Pavan Kapoor, highlighted their aim to engage all stakeholders for lasting peace in Ukraine, stressing the necessity of mutually acceptable options for a sustainable resolution
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What do you do when there is no mutually acceptable option? Rely on the UN charter and international law? Who would enforce that? Or just revert to the law of the jungle? That would do more to cull the population than anything else.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:33:09 PM EDT
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Being caught talking about the US' preferred candidate?

Omg globohomo!

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Being caught talking about the US' preferred candidate?

Omg globohomo!



The real irony is the three opposition part leaders in question, Vitaly Klitschko, Arseny Yatseniuk, Oleg Tyahnybok, only the one Nuland talk open shit against, Klitschko, has any real political power today. Yatseniuk served a brief time as an ineffective and interim prime minister. Tyahnybok ran for president and got barely 1% of the vote, and now his party doesn't even have a single seat in the Rada. He's a joke.

Poroshenko came from effectively nowhere when the presidential election process kicked off. As did Zelenskyy a few years later as public disappointment in Poroshenko grew.

Worst. Coup. Ever.

Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:38:24 PM EDT
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We would fight to reclaim the lands, pay for it ourselves with our own money, and not shamefully point fingers and blame other countries for not giving us enough cash and gear.
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You ok giving up part of Texas to a foreign country? How about any American soil? What would we do as a country if we were in their shoes?

We would fight to reclaim the lands, pay for it ourselves with our own money, and not shamefully point fingers and blame other countries for not giving us enough cash and gear.
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LOL, we didn't even pay our own way in the American revolution. The French pretty much went bankrupt fighting the British at our request for aid.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:42:38 PM EDT
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"Not in America's interest"

Devote some thought to the impact of fucking up Russia. Not just on their eastern border, but in places like Syria, Africa, and Central America.

Is a stronger Russian republic in "American interest?"  Really?

How so?
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Regional counterweight to China and needs to be strong to repel the coming Chinese invasion of Siberia.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:46:00 PM EDT
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. Are you suggesting that in such a conflict we would suddenly abstain from deficit spending and debt?
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No we would deficit spend and print money just like we have done for every war we have been involved in. Deficit spending for the Zelenskyy regime is very different than deficit spending for Americas defense. Nice attempt at a low IQ troll post though.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:56:35 PM EDT
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More importantly keeping the West together.

Russia has unsuccesfully tried to split the US from its EU partners (and the UK). Our EU+UK partners have decisively voted to be closer to the US who is not trying to blackmail them with gas prices.

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Yeah US not blackmail but blow up Nordstream II
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 10:57:53 PM EDT
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No we would deficit spend and print money just like we have done for every war we have been involved in. Deficit spending for the Zelenskyy regime is very different than deficit spending for Americas defense. Nice attempt at a low IQ troll post though.
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But that deficit spending, like Trump's explosive deficit spending, is okay.

Link Posted: 6/16/2024 11:02:16 PM EDT
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But that deficit spending, like Trump's explosive deficit spending, is okay.

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People literally quitting their jobs to collect hundreds more in unemployment was ok and cool.
Totally not wasteful.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 11:06:34 PM EDT
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But that deficit spending, like Trump's explosive deficit spending, is okay.

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Are you suggesting that you are against deficit spending for America's defense?
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 11:08:14 PM EDT
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Zelensky warns military aid being sent to Ukraine by the West is not sufficient to defeat Russia as 80 countries backed its 'territorial integrity'




But he warned the current level of Western military aid being sent to his country was not enough to ensure Kyiv wins the war.

'There is aid,' he said.

'There are serious packages. Is it enough to win? No. Is it late? Yes.'


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this is impossible the Z man should be removed from power. The Uke bros have assured us that Russia is losing. If the Z Man doesn't know that he is winning, then who does he work for?
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 11:08:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/16/2024 11:11:27 PM EDT
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We would fight to reclaim the lands, pay for it ourselves with our own money, and not shamefully point fingers and blame other countries for not giving us enough cash and gear.
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Except our government is broke and living off foreign loans. I absolutely think we need to get back to America first. But I don’t see how we get there easily when our government has sold us out. Absolutely understand what you are saying, but we are honestly screwed at this point.
Link Posted: 6/16/2024 11:20:04 PM EDT
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Yeah US not blackmail but blow up Nordstream II
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I'm sure you have evidence to prove that .. or is that you Kihn?
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 12:01:59 AM EDT
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I'm sure you have evidence to prove that .. or is that you Kihn?
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Yeah US not blackmail but blow up Nordstream II


I'm sure you have evidence to prove that .. or is that you Kihn?

I am of posting truths from the Iowa oblast comrad.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 12:03:43 AM EDT
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Months before there was even a DPR, representatives from the US state department were making phone calls which would later be leaked, going over their selected roster for the post-coup government in Kiev like they were picking a fantasy football team

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

It really could not be any less surprising that this led to cross border involvement in the Russian speaking regions, which border Russia, and had elected the candidate who just got violently removed
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It's amazing how fast you can go from claiming the "protests" in the east were a genuine reaction to the Maidan to freely admitting that the DPR/LPR are pure astroturf. A truly admirable dedication to hypocrisy in service of your narrative.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 12:04:26 AM EDT
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LOL, we didn't even pay our own way in the American revolution. The French pretty much went bankrupt fighting the British at our request for aid.
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You ok giving up part of Texas to a foreign country? How about any American soil? What would we do as a country if we were in their shoes?

We would fight to reclaim the lands, pay for it ourselves with our own money, and not shamefully point fingers and blame other countries for not giving us enough cash and gear.
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LOL, we didn't even pay our own way in the American revolution. The French pretty much went bankrupt fighting the British at our request for aid.


Funny how many people have no clue about history.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 12:15:13 AM EDT
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It's amazing how fast you can go from claiming the "protests" in the east were a genuine reaction to the Maidan to freely admitting that the DPR/LPR are pure astroturf. A truly admirable dedication to hypocrisy in service of your narrative.
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No, it doesn't say that the DPR and LPR are pure astroturf. They were formed in response to the coup in Kiev, and brought the Russian involvement in. They were going to fight to separate from the new regime, and were going to get help doing it.

If you want to talk about hypocrisy, its funny that in the official narrative about Ukraine, the stuff Nuland and the State Department did in Kiev somehow do not  constitute actual involvement in the regime change. But then the standard for proving Russian interference in a US election is just some facebook ads.

Link Posted: 6/17/2024 12:42:57 AM EDT
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No, it doesn't say that the DPR and LPR are pure astroturf. They were formed in response to the coup in Kiev, and brought the Russian involvement in. They were going to fight to separate from the new regime, and were going to get help doing it.

If you want to talk about hypocrisy, its funny that in the official narrative about Ukraine, the stuff Nuland and the State Department did in Kiev somehow do not  constitute actual involvement in the regime change. But then the standard for proving Russian interference in a US election is just some facebook ads.

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The DPR brought Russia in? Lol. Alexander Borodai, the first Prime Minister of the DPR, was a Russian FSB agent. He worked together with Girkin in Crimea, then moved on to Donbas where he created the DPR in conjunction with Girkin. Borodai, like Girkin, has given interviews discussing the clear, obvious fact that the people behind the little green men in Crimea were the same as the people behind the "independence movements" in Donbas. So yeah, the DPR and LPR are and always have been straight astroturf. But hey, the US Ambassador to Ukraine was recorded talking about giving advice to a Ukranian politician, so that's pretty much the same thing in Russian propaganda land.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:10:31 AM EDT
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People literally quitting their jobs to collect hundreds more in unemployment was ok and cool.
Totally not wasteful.
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As long as it “benefits Americans”.

That’s what’s repeatedly been said..okay.

Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:13:24 AM EDT
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It is an old communist ploy to take a breather, rearm, and regroup.
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Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:19:05 AM EDT
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He's not blinking. I think it is a ruse.

If I was a uke commander in the field after hearing this I would start to increase my pressure on Ivan whenever my timing was right.

See what his intentions were then.

It's all about pressure and force every last bit of it.

I think Putin is having some sort of logistical or material issues right now.
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Did not expect Putin to blink first.  No a good sign for old pooty poo.

He's not blinking. I think it is a ruse.

If I was a uke commander in the field after hearing this I would start to increase my pressure on Ivan whenever my timing was right.

See what his intentions were then.

It's all about pressure and force every last bit of it.

I think Putin is having some sort of logistical or material issues right now.
You mean like suddenly realizing the assets he's been stationing in his "nyah, nyah! You can't touch me!" zone are getting touched?
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:24:24 AM EDT
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Zelensky warns military aid being sent to Ukraine by the West is not sufficient to defeat Russia as 80 countries backed its 'territorial integrity'

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Volodymyr Zelensky yesterday warned the level of military aid being sent by the West is still not sufficient for Ukraine to defeat Russia as 80 countries backed its 'territorial integrity'.

Speaking at the end of a two-day conference in Switzerland billed as the start of a 'Path to Peace', Ukraine's president hailed the event as a 'success' despite a string of major countries failing to sign the communique – among them India, Saudi Arabia and South Africa.

Telling delegates that President Vladimir Putin was not ready for a 'just peace', Mr Zelensky said Ukraine was ready to negotiate with Russia 'tomorrow' - but only if its forces 'leave our legal territories'.

The two-day conference in the Bürgenstock resort in Switzerland came as Ukraine again struggles to repel Russian advances more than two years into the war, despite billions of dollars of Western military aid.

Following the summit - to which Russia was not invited, and which was snubbed by its key ally, China - 80 countries jointly called for Ukraine's 'territorial integrity' to be the basis for any peace agreement.

Issues of nuclear safety, food security and the exchange of prisoners would also be crucial, they agreed.



But he warned the current level of Western military aid being sent to his country was not enough to ensure Kyiv wins the war.

'There is aid,' he said.

'There are serious packages. Is it enough to win? No. Is it late? Yes.'


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So, by Zelensky's own admission, Ukraine is fucked. Meh, I don't really give a shit anyway. Send them cake...
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:25:09 AM EDT
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How long should the fight go on then. Should it be like unceasing African border conflicts. Maybe look at maps of Europe over the last 500 years and how conflict has changed borders. At some point this shit has to end.  Unless you enjoy endless conflict which may end far worse than this offer, perhaps accepting a concession is the better choice. ETA: I don't ever "TRUST" Russians, but unless there is a massive shift in the ground war, which would require using non-Ukrainian troops to win, the other option is a permanent meatgrinder.
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Rheinmetal is making improved HIMARS now, and the F16s will be in theater within a couple or three months. Once Russian artillery and air units are no longer safely out of strike range, things change drastically.
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How is that not preferable to international recognition of said territory and forcing Ukraine to remain militarily vulnerable to a the inevitable follow-on event?
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I'd love to hear the great strategy Ukraine has to retake the areas Russia has and how they plan to execute. The plan now seems to be.

1.Beg for assets.
2.Get foreign assets.
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4.Take back land from Russia.

We've already seen one failed offensive using Western gear. This may not be what they want or what anyone in the West wants but pragmatically I think Russia ends up with some new territory because all laws and rules written on paper aside they have taken and are holding the territory.


How is that not preferable to international recognition of said territory and forcing Ukraine to remain militarily vulnerable to a the inevitable follow-on event?
FIFY
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Rheinmetal is making improved HIMARS now, and the F16s will be in theater within a couple or three months. Once Russian artillery and air units are no longer safely out of strike range, things change drastically.
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Oh Ok. Sure buddy. As if F-16s can't get shot the fuck down. Till the next wonder weapon I presume?
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:40:27 AM EDT
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Hard to believe that so many American supposed-conservatives would be such cucks for Russia.

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My theory is that it's all about the Biden regime. Anything they support MUST be bad. Anything that opposes them MUST be good. It never rises to the level of fact checking, so they can maintain their comfort zone and sense of superiority.

There's probably russiabros in this thread who still think it was Ukrainians who burned Trump in effigy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 1:44:15 AM EDT
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That's retarded. Russia and Ukraine can both fuck off to the negotiation table and leave my tax dollars out of their Soviet cousin disagreements. Ukraine would do well to listen to anyone but Biden and the US State Department at this point.
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Have you been paying attention to the world? FJB and crew are actually the voice of reason compared to some European leaders.
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Gut the Russian economy and military and we then only need to worry about China. Why do you think we need to spend more money Domestically? We should be reducing entitlements.
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UKR should accept that. But, Z would then no longer be "important" and the country would likely get rid of him.

The "west" should force UKR to accept the offer. But, they won't, and not because they "give a shit about Ukraine."

I don't give a shit about UKR or RUS, but the US' money and focus is better spent elsewhere. There is zero ROI in this endeavor. If the EU wants to keep up the fight, let them do it. I think RUS should go home and UKR is declared "neutral."

If this is sofuckingimportant to the EU, they should send in their armies, see how that flies with their population. The US should cut bait.


Gut the Russian economy and military and we then only need to worry about China. Why do you think we need to spend more money Domestically? We should be reducing entitlements.
Or, and bear with me on this, here's a thought. We kick all the illegals the fuck out, and dispense the money we're already giving them to American citizens and securing the border?
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But why would they?  They seem to have the resources to continue pushing further. The Ukes are barely holding on. Some times you have to swallow your pride. If they care about saving lives they would enter these talks. But they aren't, it's about money. The gravy train ends of fighting ends.
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Ukrs have barely been holding on for more than 2 years, and yet they're still there.
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We would fight to reclaim the lands, pay for it ourselves with our own money, and not shamefully point fingers and blame other countries for not giving us enough cash and gear.
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You ok giving up part of Texas to a foreign country? How about any American soil? What would we do as a country if we were in their shoes?


We would fight to reclaim the lands, pay for it ourselves with our own money, and not shamefully point fingers and blame other countries for not giving us enough cash and gear.


We sure didnt have a problem getting French help while we fought the redcoats.

Yeah this place is different than it was back then, but lets be real about our history.
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Things that aren't true are often hard to believe. American conservatives put America first.
Not Ukraine OR Russia.
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Hard to believe that so many American supposed-conservatives would be such cucks for Russia.


Things that aren't true are often hard to believe. American conservatives put America first.
Not Ukraine OR Russia.

What rock have you been living under the past 70 years? The American public has been fed bullshit   consistently, and has just as consistently lapped it up like syrup. Simple lies are far easier to believe than complicated and harsh facts. You're proof of that just based on what you've been posting here.
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Oh man, don't let the Slava Ukraini types see this, you'll be on their shit-list.  Don't you know Ukraine can take on the world alone and win?

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If it wasn't for the rest of the world helping Ukraine, he would've.


Oh man, don't let the Slava Ukraini types see this, you'll be on their shit-list.  Don't you know Ukraine can take on the world alone and win?

This post, combined with your post immediately previos, is breathtaking in its lack of self awareness.
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I'm sorry it went over your head, continue on with your normal daily routine and we will go on without you.



Literally?  It's LITERALLY disconnected from reality?  Wow.  OK.

There are no alternatives that are 'worse for me', just people who can't comprehend the most basic comments and feel the need to post snark without a real purpose other than to seem edgy and in lockstep with the GD bandwagon.

It's ok.  I expect it.  Go on with your day as if all is well.

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It's one thing to think your post was simply being snarky and cute, but you really think you had a logical point you were making?  


I'm sorry it went over your head, continue on with your normal daily routine and we will go on without you.

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Literally the entire thing is disconnected from reality.

I hope it's from drunkenness because the alternatives are much worse for you.


Literally?  It's LITERALLY disconnected from reality?  Wow.  OK.

There are no alternatives that are 'worse for me', just people who can't comprehend the most basic comments and feel the need to post snark without a real purpose other than to seem edgy and in lockstep with the GD bandwagon.

It's ok.  I expect it.  Go on with your day as if all is well.

There's one disconnect. There's no bandwagon on this issue, just a constant battle between russiabros, ukebros, and those in the middle. It's complicated like that.
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"Not in America's interest"

Devote some thought to the impact of fucking up Russia. Not just on their eastern border, but in places like Syria, Africa, and Central America.

Is a stronger Russian republic in "American interest?"  Really?

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The long game I see was Russia making a play to target Germany in particular over gas prices.

I dont think it would have played out in Russia's favor because while the Germans are a seemingly soft people they can make hard decisions rapidly and can move mountains when they need to.  Look at how fast they got multiple LNG terminals on line.

The big picture comes down to China and the inevitable conflict were already are in with them.  The outlook of that war looks much different if the US doesnt need to have a force in waiting to counter a Russian play for Europe.

Much of the dollars created and spent is upgrading the US logistics to crank out munitions at much greater rates.  Much of the dollars "sent" to Ukraine have been the dollar amounts of equipment that we sent.  Some of that gear is pretty new, but a lot of it is at end of life and would cost tax payers to rebuild or demil to extend their life or get rid of them.  The cluster munitions were a great example of this.

Can the US and Europe afford to not spend that cash getting their MIC pumping out more of everything right now if this is in fact 1937?
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Red Sea?
Derp, Black Sea.
Russians should totally go to the Red Sea! Houthis could use a win at this point.
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The converse is much more death and the odds are that they will lose it anyway.  Eastern Ukraine is a sunk cost.
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To paraphrase: give me what I want and I'll end this war right now.


The converse is much more death and the odds are that they will lose it anyway.  Eastern Ukraine is a sunk cost.
Very corporate thinking of you.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 2:40:17 AM EDT
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The people here screaming for Ukraine to surrender are people that would sell you out in a similar conflict.
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Put yourself in their shoes. How much of your country would you cede to an aggressor state, on their condition of ceasefire?
The people here screaming for Ukraine to surrender are people that would sell you out in a similar conflict.
This has been duly noted.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 2:51:47 AM EDT
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Can anyone explain to me why defending the border of former soviets from the invading former soviets worth billions of US taxpayer dollars?

Also, why is it more important than defending our own southern border from the illegal horde that is invading us?
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The one has zero to do with the other.

And, honestly? If, at this point, none of the thousands of iterations of the explanation already posted over the past couple of years regarding this exact question has got the job done, I'm afraid you're a lost cause.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 2:55:28 AM EDT
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90% of the countries we occupy feel the same way....
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Go home Vlad you dickhead.  

You can pull your conscripts out today.


90% of the countries we occupy feel the same way....
Until they need something. You notice the Europeans are already creating an American access causeway to allow our troops quick passage. We're the ugly big brother that everybody's embarrassed about, but who they all rely on when the bully shows up.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 3:01:18 AM EDT
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Man for man Ukraine certainly appears to have the better trained and obviously better motivated fighters on the ground in this particular confilict but it's simply a math problem that one just need look at dispassionately which is understandably impossible for some...especially if you're not the one in the trenches.

There is likely no offensive or subsequent handful of offensives that either side could initiate that would result in either the fall of Ukraine as a whole or the complete dislodging of rooshins from Ukrainian territory.  

It's just math



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Every time Ukraine starts achieving something strategically these threads pop up besides the usual thinly veiled support for Russia and its genocidal goals.



Man for man Ukraine certainly appears to have the better trained and obviously better motivated fighters on the ground in this particular confilict but it's simply a math problem that one just need look at dispassionately which is understandably impossible for some...especially if you're not the one in the trenches.

There is likely no offensive or subsequent handful of offensives that either side could initiate that would result in either the fall of Ukraine as a whole or the complete dislodging of rooshins from Ukrainian territory.  

It's just math



Force multiplication is also math. Honestly, the west fell down on this one. Had they fully supported Ukraine instead of half-assing it, the Russians would have left with the first year. Doesn't matter if your enemy outnumbers you by 10:1 if you're killing them at a rate of 15-20:1.
It may well be too late, but the next 3 months, if Ukraine can hold out, should see things change.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 3:11:30 AM EDT
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Have you paid attention to this conflict at all? The east part of the country is pro-Russian.
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Where do you guys come up with this shit?

Have you paid attention to this conflict at all? The east part of the country is pro-Russian.
Pockets of it are. Just like the little green men who wandered across the border made Crimea pro-russian.
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 3:15:43 AM EDT
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That Putin prick sits in his golden palace comfy with no fear of Ukraine hitting him (they can't because he has nukes!) while he sends his citizens to die invading another country.  What is taking so long for the long knives to end that tyrants miserable existence!!!!!!! The only good commie is a dead commie.
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Was the boarder secure prior to 2020?

Did we solve homeless vets prior to 2020?

This constant Russian PROPAGANDA of comparing the boarder to Ukraine is like saying you're house got robbed because you tipped the barista at Starbucks.

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Link Posted: 6/17/2024 3:19:26 AM EDT
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Apples and cumquats.  I fully except Ukrainians to be concerned about their borders.  I fully expect them not to be concerned about ours.
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This may be a shock to you--Ukriane is not the United States and Ukrainians are not AMericans and it is perfectly reasonable for Ukrianians and AMericans to have different priorities when it comes to their own country vs someone else's country.


Was the boarder secure prior to 2020?

Did we solve homeless vets prior to 2020?

This constant Russian PROPAGANDA of comparing the boarder to Ukraine is like saying you're house got robbed because you tipped the barista at Starbucks.


Apples and cumquats.  I fully except Ukrainians to be concerned about their borders.  I fully expect them not to be concerned about ours.
C'mon, tell the truth... you didn't really read his post, did you?
Link Posted: 6/17/2024 3:31:38 AM EDT
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I thought it belonged to Spain.

"You only own what you can defend"
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Southwest always belonged to Mexico.



I thought it belonged to Spain.

"You only own what you can defend"
That's not a world you want to live in.
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