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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:18:10 AM EDT
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Maybe because if their pilots and navigators need to carry a garmin handheld GPS, do you think they might not also have a functional electronic counter measures package on board ?
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:21:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe because if their pilots and navigators need to carry a garmin handheld GPS, do you think they might not also have a functional electronic counter measures package on board ?  |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oryx has been caught double-counting losses, or passing off Ukrainian losses as Russian ones -- an easy thing to do, since they use a lot of the same equipment. And incidentally, why would Ukraine's numbers be inflated anyway? I've been repeatedly assured that Ukrainian MoD claims of Russian and Ukrainian losses are 100%, take-to-the-bank reliable . In any case part of the reason I don't get too concerned about individual losses or tanks or planes or ships is because this is a war, and stuff inevitably gets destroyed in a war. I prefer to focus of the overall strategic picture, and that doesn't look very good for either Ukraine or NATO right now . Especially since the whole rationale for our support of this war was to weaken Russia by proxy without risking a single US life while fattening the wallets of US defense contractors. That appears to have been an abject failure, at least as far as weakening Russia is concerned .  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUA9SVXo-VMQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You do realize Oryx provides and counts only photo verified equipment correct? You can see a photo of each one claimed. Thats the whole point of him UNDER estimating from Ukraine claims. Nice try puffer lol. In any case part of the reason I don't get too concerned about individual losses or tanks or planes or ships is because this is a war, and stuff inevitably gets destroyed in a war. I prefer to focus of the overall strategic picture, and that doesn't look very good for either Ukraine or NATO right now . Especially since the whole rationale for our support of this war was to weaken Russia by proxy without risking a single US life while fattening the wallets of US defense contractors. That appears to have been an abject failure, at least as far as weakening Russia is concerned . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUA9SVXo-VMYou cite like a moveon.org email. Than you for being so diligent in your quest to bring honest objective unfiltered truth to us. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:30:13 AM EDT
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Because it is a bomb truck that is doing its job without air domination.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:40:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's horrifying. Wow we have fewer F35s ready to go (with bloated MIC software that doesn't even work) than they have of Su57s. We'd lose so hard to to our own corruption and we deserve it because we have half our fighting forces as trannies and fgts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL at the OP. Ukraine claims to have shot down 35 SU-34s in two years; BrOSINT Oryx, who exaggerates only slightly less, says there have been only 25 downed . Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. I'd say the SU-34 isn't doing too badly, all things considered. We're talking two different conflicts here, might as well bring up WW2 numbers while you're at it. The bottom line is the Su-34 just like most Russian gear is overhyped by the Russians and its Western fanboy lovers. It's not a great "modern" strike aircraft and it's certainly not manned by the best and brightest of Russia. If a weapons system works, then it doesn't matter how "modern" it is. The .50 BMG is over 100 years old, and we still use it. ETA: Speaking of "overhyped" even the government is now admitting the F-35 is an expensive turd, of which less than 30% is combat-ready at any one time. That's horrifying. Wow we have fewer F35s ready to go (with bloated MIC software that doesn't even work) than they have of Su57s. We'd lose so hard to to our own corruption and we deserve it because we have half our fighting forces as trannies and fgts. Russia has 22 production SU57’s. We have built over 1000 F35’s. At 30% combat ready that’s ten times any 5th gen Russia has. We also have our fleet of F22’s which are superior to the SU57 even though it’s an older plane. Even if the SU57 is so plentiful and unstoppable as you suggest (which it isn’t), why hasn’t Russia dominated the Ukraine airspace with it? That’s what the SU57 is, an air superiority fighter. The SU57 has been MIA. Probably because its radar cross section would allow it to be picked off easily by US made air defenses in Ukraine. It’s not that stealthy at all. If you thought the F35 production was fraught with problems, the SU57 is vastly worse. Russia can barely afford to build it. If the F35 is a turd, the SU57 is diarrhea. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:48:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has 22 production SU57's. We have built over 1000 F35's. At 30% combat ready that's ten times any 5th gen Russia has. We also have our fleet of F22's which are superior to the SU57 even though it's an older plane. Even if the SU57 is so plentiful and unstoppable as you suggest (which it isn't), why hasn't Russia dominated the Ukraine airspace with it? That's what the SU57 is, an air superiority fighter. The SU57 has been MIA. Probably because its radar cross section would allow it to be picked off easily by US made air defenses in Ukraine. It's not that stealthy at all. If you thought the F35 production was fraught with problems, the SU57 is vastly worse. Russia can barely afford to build it. If the F35 is a turd, the SU57 is diarrhea. https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-su-57-felon-is-marketed-as-stealth-fighter-but-it-has-the-same-rcs-of-a-clean-f-a-18-super-hornet-and-1000-times-bigger-than-that-of-the-f-35-heres-why/#google_vignette |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:51:13 AM EDT
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It’s a Slav-Shit airplane flown by drunken pot bellied losers to begin with.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:55:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians have not followed down the "stealth" path for their aircraft development, rather favoring EA as their main nonkinetic warfighting strategy. Their jamming and deception is *spectacular*. That's not to say that western tech isn't just as good, but the Russians leaned into it hard over the last 30 years. So you could be able to observe it from the Moon, but if you can't track, target, engage, or attack it because your sensors are being spoofed (or outright remotely shut down), what does it matter from a tactical perspective? You'll get to clearly observe it with your "24" Garmin dome" while it eats your lunch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That airframe has such a large radar cross section I can pick it up from here with my 24" Garmin dome The Russians have not followed down the "stealth" path for their aircraft development, rather favoring EA as their main nonkinetic warfighting strategy. Their jamming and deception is *spectacular*. That's not to say that western tech isn't just as good, but the Russians leaned into it hard over the last 30 years. So you could be able to observe it from the Moon, but if you can't track, target, engage, or attack it because your sensors are being spoofed (or outright remotely shut down), what does it matter from a tactical perspective? You'll get to clearly observe it with your "24" Garmin dome" while it eats your lunch. But our patriot batteries are smoking them right in the beak. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:33:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has 22 production SU57’s. We have built over 1000 F35’s. At 30% combat ready that’s ten times any 5th gen Russia has. We also have our fleet of F22’s which are superior to the SU57 even though it’s an older plane. Even if the SU57 is so plentiful and unstoppable as you suggest (which it isn’t), why hasn’t Russia dominated the Ukraine airspace with it? That’s what the SU57 is, an air superiority fighter. The SU57 has been MIA. Probably because its radar cross section would allow it to be picked off easily by US made air defenses in Ukraine. It’s not that stealthy at all. If you thought the F35 production was fraught with problems, the SU57 is vastly worse. Russia can barely afford to build it. If the F35 is a turd, the SU57 is diarrhea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL at the OP. Ukraine claims to have shot down 35 SU-34s in two years; BrOSINT Oryx, who exaggerates only slightly less, says there have been only 25 downed . Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. I'd say the SU-34 isn't doing too badly, all things considered. We're talking two different conflicts here, might as well bring up WW2 numbers while you're at it. The bottom line is the Su-34 just like most Russian gear is overhyped by the Russians and its Western fanboy lovers. It's not a great "modern" strike aircraft and it's certainly not manned by the best and brightest of Russia. If a weapons system works, then it doesn't matter how "modern" it is. The .50 BMG is over 100 years old, and we still use it. ETA: Speaking of "overhyped" even the government is now admitting the F-35 is an expensive turd, of which less than 30% is combat-ready at any one time. That's horrifying. Wow we have fewer F35s ready to go (with bloated MIC software that doesn't even work) than they have of Su57s. We'd lose so hard to to our own corruption and we deserve it because we have half our fighting forces as trannies and fgts. Russia has 22 production SU57’s. We have built over 1000 F35’s. At 30% combat ready that’s ten times any 5th gen Russia has. We also have our fleet of F22’s which are superior to the SU57 even though it’s an older plane. Even if the SU57 is so plentiful and unstoppable as you suggest (which it isn’t), why hasn’t Russia dominated the Ukraine airspace with it? That’s what the SU57 is, an air superiority fighter. The SU57 has been MIA. Probably because its radar cross section would allow it to be picked off easily by US made air defenses in Ukraine. It’s not that stealthy at all. If you thought the F35 production was fraught with problems, the SU57 is vastly worse. Russia can barely afford to build it. If the F35 is a turd, the SU57 is diarrhea. The US can only afford to build that because of infinite deficit spending. If we were like Russia with balanced budgets (who has the fastest growing economy) we couldn't afford 22 F35s. Our entire concept of right and wrong is build on FIAT CURRENCY. We are more decadent and depraved than their worst accusations. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But our patriot batteries are smoking them right in the beak. “They’re just saving the good stuff for later” |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:49:43 PM EDT
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It's probably cheaper to get shot down than to do the basic maintenance for the next flight. It's a win for Russia.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IFF systems use both a "lack of friendly" digital indicator as well as a "presence of enemy" digital indicator. How that specifically works, I'll let the crowd fill in those open-source details lol. IFF, and some of the "rumored" capability was some sort of digital aircraft "library" the Stinger won't fire on. But you know how the military is, people just spout shit off. It's "supposed" to not fire on US or civilian aircraft. I was a C-130 FE...about 15 years ago, so a lot of that is long lost. I have seen a Stinger laser designator with the brightness turned up and it essentially uses the same laser scanning like the 1980-90s super market scanner, same pattern anyway. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US can only afford to build that because of infinite deficit spending. If we were like Russia with balanced budgets (who has the fastest growing economy) we couldn't afford 22 F35s. Our entire concept of right and wrong is build on FIAT CURRENCY. We are more decadent and depraved than their worst accusations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL at the OP. Ukraine claims to have shot down 35 SU-34s in two years; BrOSINT Oryx, who exaggerates only slightly less, says there have been only 25 downed . Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. I'd say the SU-34 isn't doing too badly, all things considered. We're talking two different conflicts here, might as well bring up WW2 numbers while you're at it. The bottom line is the Su-34 just like most Russian gear is overhyped by the Russians and its Western fanboy lovers. It's not a great "modern" strike aircraft and it's certainly not manned by the best and brightest of Russia. If a weapons system works, then it doesn't matter how "modern" it is. The .50 BMG is over 100 years old, and we still use it. ETA: Speaking of "overhyped" even the government is now admitting the F-35 is an expensive turd, of which less than 30% is combat-ready at any one time. That's horrifying. Wow we have fewer F35s ready to go (with bloated MIC software that doesn't even work) than they have of Su57s. We'd lose so hard to to our own corruption and we deserve it because we have half our fighting forces as trannies and fgts. Russia has 22 production SU57’s. We have built over 1000 F35’s. At 30% combat ready that’s ten times any 5th gen Russia has. We also have our fleet of F22’s which are superior to the SU57 even though it’s an older plane. Even if the SU57 is so plentiful and unstoppable as you suggest (which it isn’t), why hasn’t Russia dominated the Ukraine airspace with it? That’s what the SU57 is, an air superiority fighter. The SU57 has been MIA. Probably because its radar cross section would allow it to be picked off easily by US made air defenses in Ukraine. It’s not that stealthy at all. If you thought the F35 production was fraught with problems, the SU57 is vastly worse. Russia can barely afford to build it. If the F35 is a turd, the SU57 is diarrhea. The US can only afford to build that because of infinite deficit spending. If we were like Russia with balanced budgets (who has the fastest growing economy) we couldn't afford 22 F35s. Our entire concept of right and wrong is build on FIAT CURRENCY. We are more decadent and depraved than their worst accusations. You don’t think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don’t have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don’t have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. Nope. Russia is the most fiscally responsible, Christian, family oriented country on earth. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don’t have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. I'm helping GarandM1 post bullshit. And all we doing is make soldiers become trans in basic training. They make soldiers good Christian family men in their basic training. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don’t have to like Biden to be pro USA you know.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm helping GarandM1 post bullshit. And all we doing is make soldiers become trans in basic training. They make soldiers good Christian family men in their basic training. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don’t think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don’t have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. I'm helping GarandM1 post bullshit. And all we doing is make soldiers become trans in basic training. They make soldiers good Christian family men in their basic training. Russian servicemen don’t have pre-marital sex (with women). Good Christian boys. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian servicemen don't have pre-marital sex (with women). Good Christian boys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You don't think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don't have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. I'm helping GarandM1 post bullshit. And all we doing is make soldiers become trans in basic training. They make soldiers good Christian family men in their basic training. Russian servicemen don't have pre-marital sex (with women). Good Christian boys. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/06/they-warned-theyll-rape-me-russian-soldier-stands-by-mass-shooting-a68062 https://www.rferl.org/a/1075412.html https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldiers-forced-rape-each-other-outbreaks-crazed-violence-report-2024-2  |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:44:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That airframe has such a large radar cross section I can pick it up from here with my 24" Garmin dome The SU-33 probably has a similar RCS but I do love the look at those two birds. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:49:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The old joke... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks kind of like a B1 and a Eagle had a baby. They seem to get shot down all the time. Why do they perform so poorly? https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=697#images But it has a coffee maker and a shitter! The old joke... A fighter pilot and a cargo pilot are flying around, talking shit to each other on the radio. The fighter pilot goes on about how much cooler he is than the cargo pilot and says, "Watch this, brah!" hits the afterburner, does a barrel roll and then a loop... "Top that!" he shouts to the cargo pilot. "Ok, well watch this." says the cargo pilot. The plane just goes straight for a while. "How'd you like that?" asks the cargo pilot. The fighter pilot is confused and asks, "What did you do?" The cargo pilot replies, "I went to the galley and got myself some more coffee." LOL, yes I know the joke. The SU34 is a cool looking jet. The Duck its the only Russian jet that I like the looks of. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:22:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian servicemen don’t have pre-marital sex (with women). Good Christian boys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You don’t think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don’t have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. I'm helping GarandM1 post bullshit. And all we doing is make soldiers become trans in basic training. They make soldiers good Christian family men in their basic training. Russian servicemen don’t have pre-marital sex (with women). Good Christian boys. The western propaganda movies (like 9th Company) tell vicious lies about them, claiming they sleep with random women. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Soviet Russia, military rapes you! https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/06/they-warned-theyll-rape-me-russian-soldier-stands-by-mass-shooting-a68062 https://www.rferl.org/a/1075412.html https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldiers-forced-rape-each-other-outbreaks-crazed-violence-report-2024-2 https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5761baff746fb9f420bb3ffc/1585326580109-XHCXA2A37M4DP4QJRRPY/Yakov-Smirnoff21.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You don't think Russia deficit spends? Bottom line is they have inferior equipment and training and less of it than the US. Do you not like the US anymore? You talk like some half wit communist propagandist. The number of Putin ball garglers on here is astounding. You don't have to like Biden to be pro USA you know. I'm helping GarandM1 post bullshit. And all we doing is make soldiers become trans in basic training. They make soldiers good Christian family men in their basic training. Russian servicemen don't have pre-marital sex (with women). Good Christian boys. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/06/they-warned-theyll-rape-me-russian-soldier-stands-by-mass-shooting-a68062 https://www.rferl.org/a/1075412.html https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldiers-forced-rape-each-other-outbreaks-crazed-violence-report-2024-2 https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5761baff746fb9f420bb3ffc/1585326580109-XHCXA2A37M4DP4QJRRPY/Yakov-Smirnoff21.jpg More western propaganda. It's sickening how many people parrot the globohomo lies. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More western propaganda. It's sickening how many people parrot the globohomo lies. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More western propaganda. It's sickening how many people parrot the globohomo lies. Propaganda aside it does have a pretty sweet shitter. I mean that motherfucker is some sweet titanium and gold engineering. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, yes I know the joke. The SU34 is a cool looking jet. The Duck its the only Russian jet that I like the looks of. But like most Russian gear, I'm sure it performs like hammered dog shit. The SU-34 just looks derpy. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Soviet Russia, military rapes you! https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/06/they-warned-theyll-rape-me-russian-soldier-stands-by-mass-shooting-a68062 https://www.rferl.org/a/1075412.html https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldiers-forced-rape-each-other-outbreaks-crazed-violence-report-2024-2 https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5761baff746fb9f420bb3ffc/1585326580109-XHCXA2A37M4DP4QJRRPY/Yakov-Smirnoff21.jpg Word on Telegram is the Russians raped and killed Russell Bentley, the Texan who was fighting for them. Who are we missing? |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US can only afford to build that because of infinite deficit spending. If we were like Russia with balanced budgets (who has the fastest growing economy) we couldn't afford 22 F35s. Our entire concept of right and wrong is build on FIAT CURRENCY. We are more decadent and depraved than their worst accusations. The goalposts are moving. So whats the argument now? That we have more state of the art aircraft than russia could ever hope to produce or that we have a deficit and still were able to have more state of the art aircraft than russia could ever hope to produce? Youre really trying too hard here. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:51:08 PM EDT
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Great thread fellas
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Posted: 4/21/2024 5:01:34 PM EDT
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Good looks only gets you so far.
  
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Posted: 4/21/2024 5:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They've shown to be completely unable to mount any combined arms effectively, but everybody will say they'll be at the English Channel in days if we don't keep up the graft Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Serious question as I have no idea. How would our planes perform against peer anti air? Would our own anti air be a problem for our jets? The Russians have proved to be completely incapable of complex air operations. I’d hazard to guess that if you took their pilots and planning staff and dropped them into American equipment the result would be the same. If you did the opposite, you’d have far more favorable results. They've shown to be completely unable to mount any combined arms effectively, but everybody will say they'll be at the English Channel in days if we don't keep up the graft  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 5:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL at the OP. Ukraine claims to have shot down 35 SU-34s in two years; BrOSINT Oryx, who exaggerates only slightly less, says there have been only 25 downed . Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. I'd say the SU-34 isn't doing too badly, all things considered. The difference is Russia only has the ability to produce 6 (SIX) new SU-34 aircraft per year. Losing double the amount of airframes you can build every year is a problem. Losses have been accelerating due to the Russians heavily relying on glide bombs and needing to climb to high altitude to reach targets behind the lines. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 5:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The difference is Russia only has the ability to produce 6 (SIX) new SU-34 aircraft per year. Losing double the amount of airframes you can build every year is a problem. Losses have been accelerating due to the Russians heavily relying on glide bombs and needing to climb to high altitude to reach targets behind the lines. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL at the OP. Ukraine claims to have shot down 35 SU-34s in two years; BrOSINT Oryx, who exaggerates only slightly less, says there have been only 25 downed . Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. I'd say the SU-34 isn't doing too badly, all things considered. The difference is Russia only has the ability to produce 6 (SIX) new SU-34 aircraft per year. Losing double the amount of airframes you can build every year is a problem. Losses have been accelerating due to the Russians heavily relying on glide bombs and needing to climb to high altitude to reach targets behind the lines. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 5:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. Do you know how many F-4s they were building in the 1960s? almost 700 per year. Know how many Su-34s they make every year? About 8 or so. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 7:55:45 PM EDT
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My mother’s people (ethnic Germans) left the Volga Valley in the 1870s because the Russians were duplicitous, dishonest, and quite disagreeable.
Family saying is that you cannot trust dishonest people to do good work because they are always looking for a way to do less and to cheat others. And 150 years later, nothing has changed. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:13:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:26:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The SU-33 probably has a similar RCS but I do love the look at those two birds. They are. The soviet era legacy and many of the current Russian jets are beautiful. I hope one day the war ends and we can have peace and I can fulfill my dream of going to the Kubinka tank museum and seeing a Mig29 and Su34 in person. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:35:10 AM EDT
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This thread needs more pictures of that gorgeous plane.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 7:45:23 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are. The soviet era legacy and many of the current Russian jets are beautiful. I hope one day the war ends and we can have peace and I can fulfill my dream of going to the Kubinka tank museum and seeing a Mig29 and Su34 in person. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The SU-33 probably has a similar RCS but I do love the look at those two birds. They are. The soviet era legacy and many of the current Russian jets are beautiful. I hope one day the war ends and we can have peace and I can fulfill my dream of going to the Kubinka tank museum and seeing a Mig29 and Su34 in person. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 1:43:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are. The soviet era legacy and many of the current Russian jets are beautiful. I hope one day the war ends and we can have peace and I can fulfill my dream of going to the Kubinka tank museum and seeing a Mig29 and Su34 in person. NAS Fallon has a Mig 29 and I think a flanker of some sort on display. I'll have to check my pictures. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 1:58:49 PM EDT
[#40]
Su-34 Soviet designed tactical bomber evolved from an even older Soviet fighter (Su-27) and meant to replace the Aardvarkski (Su-24) Soviet knockoff of the F-111.
Why should it perform well? |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:19:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Gorgeous? The one in the 3rd pic looks like it either has a limp boner or it's in the process of flipping you off, with that ridiculous phallic symbol it has hanging between its engines.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:31:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryI kind of figured Russia and China were building stealth looking fighters that didn't really have much stealth at all. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:34:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question as I have no idea. How would our planes perform against peer anti air? Would our own anti air be a problem for our jets? We’d have to have a peer to know for sure… |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:55:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Strangely, the US acts like they believe the Russian hype, and then designs counter-weapons for that capability, and any future improvements, and ends up with a completely badass system that kicks the absolute fuck out of the Russian junk. And then under-states its capabilities to keep everyone believing the US and Russia are on an even playing field. That mentality started right after WWII. Just look at the 'bomber gap' and then the 'missile gap' crises that were touted in the late 1940's and 1950's. That mindset has never really disappeared. It has just become more tempered, at least to some degree. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:00:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We’d have to have a peer to know for sure… This. Israel has consistently made Russian IAD look silly. Turkey has hunted Russian IAD with Bayraktar drones Azerbaijan has evaded Russian IAD with Turkish drones. Ukraine has used our gear to destroy Russian upgraded S300s and S400s. Same with UK and French missiles. Ukraine is limited to 3rd and 4th Gen aircraft as launch platforms as well. Ukraine has provided priceless information into the effectiveness of and capabilities of the Russian military. They've also provided captured samples of Russian EW platforms that part probably getting tested out in a desert somewhere. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That mentality started right after WWII. Just look at the 'bomber gap' and then the 'missile gap' crises that were touted in the late 1940's and 1950's. That mindset has never really disappeared. It has just become more tempered, at least to some degree. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This. Strangely, the US acts like they believe the Russian hype, and then designs counter-weapons for that capability, and any future improvements, and ends up with a completely badass system that kicks the absolute fuck out of the Russian junk. And then under-states its capabilities to keep everyone believing the US and Russia are on an even playing field. That mentality started right after WWII. Just look at the 'bomber gap' and then the 'missile gap' crises that were touted in the late 1940's and 1950's. That mindset has never really disappeared. It has just become more tempered, at least to some degree.  |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:20:54 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL at the OP. Ukraine claims to have shot down 35 SU-34s in two years; BrOSINT Oryx, who exaggerates only slightly less, says there have been only 25 downed . Do you know how many F-4s -- the plane considered to be the best fighter in the world in the 1960s and 70s -- the US military lost in roughly 9 years of operation in Viet Nam? 678 total, 529 in combat . An average of about 75 per year. I'd say the SU-34 isn't doing too badly, all things considered. That comparison means jack shit. Look at sorties flown to get a better idea. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe because if their pilots and navigators need to carry a garmin handheld GPS, do you think they might not also have a functional electronic counter measures package on board ? Ironically, the Garmin is unusable above a certain speed. Commercial GPS is speed limited to prevent it from being used in missiles and the like. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:42:43 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironically, the Garmin is unusable above a certain speed. Commercial GPS is speed limited to prevent it from being used in missiles and the like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe because if their pilots and navigators need to carry a garmin handheld GPS, do you think they might not also have a functional electronic counter measures package on board ? Ironically, the Garmin is unusable above a certain speed. Commercial GPS is speed limited to prevent it from being used in missiles and the like. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/109826#overview |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 12:00:04 AM EDT
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Ukraine has provided priceless information into the effectiveness of and capabilities of the Russian military.
They've also provided captured samples of Russian EW platforms that part probably getting tested out in a desert somewhere. |
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