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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where does Bigfoot get wire hangers, smart guy? |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:06:08 PM EDT
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Try it before you proclaim it fake.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:08:22 PM EDT
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The dry cleaners like everyone else. What kind of fucking question is that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's how Sasquatch finds water. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:10:31 PM EDT
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One would have to be more than stupid to reject what they saw with their own eyes. In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid.  In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:13:59 PM EDT
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Electricity and magnetism. If you understand them well enough, you can understand how dowsing might work. For something that many of you claim doesn't work, it seems to have an awfully high and consistent success rate.  Don't you just hate it when you can't explain why something works and despite all your jumping up and down and stomping your feet and yelling "That can't possibly work!", there's a guy out there right now who's actually using it with a very impressive success rate? In my time working for the phone company I was taught the dowsing for buried cable trick and guess what? It worked. Every. Single. Time. Even when the 3m/Dynatel cable locator system gave questionable results, dowsing with lengths of ground wire always found the cable and it never, ever missed. The cable was right under the crossing points. In places I'd never been, with cables that didn't appear on any documents I had access to. Only a fool denies the evidence in front of him. Links to consistent “wins” in double blind testing? |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:20:51 PM EDT
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Can they be used to locate which plane on a treadmill contains chemtrail agents?
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:28:56 PM EDT
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I'd really like to know where @rogueboss stands on this subject
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:53:50 PM EDT
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Must...resist...
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Posted: 7/2/2018 11:00:46 PM EDT
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Must...resist... |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 11:15:04 PM EDT
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Dousing isn't real |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 11:16:59 PM EDT
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Yeah outsider looking in here without knowing much about it Looks like witch craft Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No no no. Even if you're sure, you've done it, or whatever, don't talk to GD about dousing. Ever. Looks like witch craft |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 11:28:17 PM EDT
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Tell that to the guys down the road with 500+ feet wells pumping 3 gallons a minute, while we had a friend douse my sisters well and its 125 feet running over 11 gallons a minute. They love a good laugh! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dousing isn't real |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 11:56:25 PM EDT
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Anxiously awaiting your link to documentation of consistently succeeding in double-blind testing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:02:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dousing does work but I don't think it would work with coat hangers.  |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:05:31 AM EDT
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I'm anxiously waiting for you to tell me that I didn't see it happen! 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:09:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a bigger fool believes conveniently unreproducible “evidence”... Links to consistent “wins” in double blind testing? |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:13:42 AM EDT
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Must...resist... Yield to The Force. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:18:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What you thought you saw and what actually happened are two very different things. Was that your teleported/telepathic spirit remotely observing us at those moments? |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:21:28 AM EDT
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So you were there with me when I saw the wires cross and where he dug down? Was that your teleported/telepathic spirit remotely observing us at those moments? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What you thought you saw and what actually happened are two very different things. Was that your teleported/telepathic spirit remotely observing us at those moments? As others have posted - if it actually worked in a controlled environment someone would have applied for and actually won one or more of the prizes for demonstrating it. So far, crickets. Here's an old ass video illustrating a legitimate scientific test, by a guy that eventually offered a million dollar prize to anyone that could do it. Do you think it will work? Hint: the JRF still has the million dollars.  James Randi in Australia |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:21:56 AM EDT
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GD would use dowsing rods to find IEDs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniffex |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 1:15:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As others have posted - if it actually worked in a controlled environment someone would have applied for and actually won one or more of the prizes for demonstrating it. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 1:40:52 AM EDT
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I never made a claim that it would "work in a controlled environment," I only said I saw it work. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. Science proves that it's no better than flipping a coin. Doing some research into the ideomotor effect would easily explain what you saw. The person holding the sticks is what makes them cross. Subconsciously, yes, but the person does it. This is done by using various cues again, often subconsciously. Things like where they think it might be, where it makes sense it would be, where the grass or ground is disturbed etc. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's kinda like Santa Claus. It's OK to believe in it when you're a kid, but it's time to wake up. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 2:13:07 AM EDT
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It's the Ideomotor Effect.
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Posted: 7/3/2018 2:54:21 AM EDT
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I never made a claim that it would "work in a controlled environment," I only said I saw it work. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 3:43:47 AM EDT
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How is it pathetic? Science proves that it's no better than flipping a coin. Doing some research into the ideomotor effect would easily explain what you saw. The person holding the sticks is what makes them cross. Subconsciously, yes, but the person does it. This is done by using various cues again, often subconsciously. Things like where they think it might be, where it makes sense it would be, where the grass or ground is disturbed etc. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's kinda like Santa Claus. It's OK to believe in it when you're a kid, but it's time to wake up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never made a claim that it would "work in a controlled environment," I only said I saw it work. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. Science proves that it's no better than flipping a coin. Doing some research into the ideomotor effect would easily explain what you saw. The person holding the sticks is what makes them cross. Subconsciously, yes, but the person does it. This is done by using various cues again, often subconsciously. Things like where they think it might be, where it makes sense it would be, where the grass or ground is disturbed etc. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's kinda like Santa Claus. It's OK to believe in it when you're a kid, but it's time to wake up. What's your take on the double slit experiment? Does the person observing subconsciously control the interference pattern or how does it work? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement And then please explain quantum entanglement when you're done with that. I've been meaning to brush up on that. Physics is fun. 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 4:35:11 AM EDT
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I'm anxiously waiting for you to tell me that I didn't see it happen! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 4:42:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why doesn’t it work in objective tests around real scientists? Surely there is an explanation for that... 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 5:38:53 AM EDT
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If you ever take one of those fancy electronic underground locator meters apart, you’ll see that it just has 2 miniature dowsing rods inside.
When they cross, they touch each other, completing the circuit and lighting up the indicator lamp.
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Posted: 7/3/2018 5:56:10 AM EDT
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Dousing isn't real |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 6:06:47 AM EDT
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Must...resist... |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 6:17:41 AM EDT
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witchin stick believer
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Posted: 7/3/2018 6:25:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used coat hangers. They work. 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 6:25:58 AM EDT
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Yes, dowsing works. Copper coat hangers are the easiest means.
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Posted: 7/3/2018 7:57:45 AM EDT
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser What's your take on the double slit experiment? Does the person observing subconsciously control the interference pattern or how does it work? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement And then please explain quantum entanglement when you're done with that. I've been meaning to brush up on that. Physics is fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never made a claim that it would "work in a controlled environment," I only said I saw it work. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. Science proves that it's no better than flipping a coin. Doing some research into the ideomotor effect would easily explain what you saw. The person holding the sticks is what makes them cross. Subconsciously, yes, but the person does it. This is done by using various cues again, often subconsciously. Things like where they think it might be, where it makes sense it would be, where the grass or ground is disturbed etc. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's kinda like Santa Claus. It's OK to believe in it when you're a kid, but it's time to wake up. What's your take on the double slit experiment? Does the person observing subconsciously control the interference pattern or how does it work? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement And then please explain quantum entanglement when you're done with that. I've been meaning to brush up on that. Physics is fun. Collect billions of pairs to get the wires moving. Nice. Simple. Logical. Science. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 8:00:01 AM EDT
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Electricity and magnetism. If you understand them well enough, you can understand how dowsing might work. For something that many of you claim doesn't work, it seems to have an awfully high and consistent success rate. Don't you just hate it when you can't explain why something works and despite all your jumping up and down and stomping your feet and yelling "That can't possibly work!", there's a guy out there right now who's actually using it with a very impressive success rate? In my time working for the phone company I was taught the dowsing for buried cable trick and guess what? It worked. Every. Single. Time. Even when the 3m/Dynatel cable locator system gave questionable results, dowsing with lengths of ground wire always found the cable and it never, ever missed. The cable was right under the crossing points. In places I'd never been, with cables that didn't appear on any documents I had access to. Only a fool denies the evidence in front of him. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 8:13:04 AM EDT
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OK if you believe dowsing works, but don't exactly know why, you should at least be able to state the method in which it works.
So it is a Y shaped branch? If so, from what tree? Is it metal rods? What kind of metal? Does it matter how long? What does it detect? Running water? Standing water? Metal? Electrical wires? What does it do when it detects it? Wires rotate together? Wires rotate away from each other? Wires rotate in same direction? Branch points down (in the case of the branch variety)? If this is an actual phenomenon (regardless if the science behind it can be proven or not), anybody that has done or witnessed dowsing should have the same answers for all of these questions. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 8:22:25 AM EDT
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I'm anxiously waiting for you to tell me that I didn't see it happen! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. Either it works or it doesn’t. If it works, it should work under measurable conditions and be consistent/repeatable. Otherwise it’s a story. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 9:48:30 AM EDT
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I never made a claim that it would "work in a controlled environment," I only said I saw it work. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: As others have posted - if it actually worked in a controlled environment someone would have applied for and actually won one or more of the prizes for demonstrating it. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:13:03 AM EDT
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wait, you can also find clogs in sewer lines? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: As others have posted - if it actually worked in a controlled environment someone would have applied for and actually won one or more of the prizes for demonstrating it. My statement is first-hand, direct observation, not a story someone told me. There are any number of other people who have said they have done it or have said they have seen it done, enough that it cannot just be summarily dismissed (except as a matter of blinkered faith). The guy who did it was not performing a paid stunt for a crowd--he was just a regular guy trying to find a clog in a long sewer line and it worked. I made no claim that it always works--rather I said that I saw with my own eyes that it worked on at least one occasion. Bringing up the Amazing Randi or double-blind tests this context is pathetic argument. Asking for scientific verification in that context is silly. Seeing is believing, bro. Do you even Santa Claus? |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:17:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used coat hangers. They work. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:19:02 AM EDT
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What you claim you saw or didn't see is conveniently unverifiable. Either it works or it doesn't. If it works, it should work under measurable conditions and be consistent/repeatable. Otherwise it's a story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. Either it works or it doesn't. If it works, it should work under measurable conditions and be consistent/repeatable. Otherwise it's a story. It is even sadder that, a few days later when I returned to pick up my gun, I foolishly forgot to bring even a Kodak Brownie to document the fresh dirt where the lawn had been dug up at the dowsed spot or a tape recorder to record the flush of the now working toilet when I took a leak. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wait, you can also find clogs in sewer lines? He found the line and followed it with the wires crossing and stopped when they stopped crossing. Bingo! |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:31:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You call that science? You do know what science is don't you? Dowsing may be something but science it isn't. I really hope you were being sarcastic. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:36:31 AM EDT
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I love that this thread is titled "settled science", and the people who claim dowsing works are scoffing the scientific method used to identify and verify actual phenomena.
"I use it! I've seen it work! It is real!" Yet, still cannot be reproduced in a controlled experiment. Thus, not science. FWIW, there's no such thing as "settled science", otherwise we'd still believe that the run rotated around the earth and that the atom was the smallest particle of matter. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 11:04:31 AM EDT
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On this almost 4th of July, some of you are an embarrassment to the nation that put a man on the Moon.
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Posted: 7/3/2018 11:18:27 AM EDT
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I don't know why people get so upset when other people believe in dowsing.....or Santa, the easter bunny, leprechauns, forest sprites, woodland fairies, unicorns, and so on. If it makes 'em happy, and it doesn't cost me any money I am content to let them keep believing whatever they want. I wouldn't pay for a dowser though, and I quit believing in those other things decades ago.
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Posted: 7/3/2018 11:25:29 AM EDT
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I don't know why people get so upset when other people believe in dowsing.....or Santa, the easter bunny, leprechauns, forest sprites, woodland fairies, unicorns, and so on. If it makes 'em happy, and it doesn't cost me any money I am content to let them keep believing whatever they want. I wouldn't pay for a dowser though, and I quit believing in those other things decades ago. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 11:34:17 AM EDT
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I don't know why people get so upset when other people believe in dowsing.....or Santa, the easter bunny, leprechauns, forest sprites, woodland fairies, unicorns, and so on. If it makes 'em happy, and it doesn't cost me any money I am content to let them keep believing whatever they want. I wouldn't pay for a dowser though, and I quit believing in those other things decades ago. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:23:02 PM EDT
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I have hit so many goddamn water and electric lines because of dousers. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 12:24:42 PM EDT
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On this almost 4th of July, some of you are an embarrassment to the nation that put a man on the Moon. |
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