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Quoted: Pretty much anyone who knows anything about guns knows that 1911/2011 type pistols without FPBs can fire when dropped on the muzzle. Titanium firing pin supposedly solves (perhaps only mitigates?) the issue. View Quote I highly doubt that Ruger (of all companies) would manufacture series 70 1911's if they were not completely confident that using a titanium firing pin makes the design 100% drop-safe. |
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The only thing surprising about this...is how many people were surprised by the results.
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Quoted: Oh wow. How often does that happen? I’m a small sample size but it hasn’t happened to me in the thousands of times I’ve done it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So it's just as safe as an ar15......... The ar15 can go bang just dropping the bolt on a loaded round. Oh wow. How often does that happen? I’m a small sample size but it hasn’t happened to me in the thousands of times I’ve done it. Most likely to happen when the improper manual of arms is used. Same as M1 and M1a. You're not supposed to drop a round in the chamber and let the bolt slam shut on it, especially in firearms with free float firing pins. It's potentially dangerous and also hard on the extractor in some cases. |
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Quoted: You have a stuck firing pin, worlds softest primer or what? Cause that ain't supposed to happen. You get little firing pin marks on the primers from the floating firing pin, but thats about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yea and I've had a factory ar15 go bang when dropping the bolt on factory ammo. You have a stuck firing pin, worlds softest primer or what? Cause that ain't supposed to happen. You get little firing pin marks on the primers from the floating firing pin, but thats about it. Remington advises not using some of their softer primers with AR's. 6 1/2 I believe. |
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Also it's not really an issue. Basically it can only fire if the barrel is pointed down and dropped on a hard surface.
Basically the gun shoots the ground and sends shrapnel flying. The gun isn't going to directly shoot anyone. I was thinking multi story building shooting down at someone, but I have a feeling anything that 9mm would pass through is soft enough not to actually set it off when dropped against. Maybe a bare plywood floor? |
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Quoted: Looks like the hammer held so it is a firing pin / firing pin spring issue. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-05-25_131418_png-3223086.JPG View Quote Inertial firing pins are things which exist. |
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Quoted: I highly doubt that Ruger (of all companies) would manufacture series 70 1911's if they were not completely confident that using a titanium firing pin makes the design 100% drop-safe. View Quote With the correct weight firing pin spring you can. Dan Wesson builds Series 70’s and say they’re drop safe. |
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Is this something that's supposed to keep me awake nights?
Cooper covered this very thing in one of his columns published during the Pleistocene era. IIRC, he wrote that in testing the firing pin would deliver sufficient force to compress the primer in 1 out of 250 tries. This would only happen under certain conditions: the piece must be dropped from sufficient height (I don't recall how high), it must strike the surface very nearly perpendicular (~90 degrees) in order to induce movement against the firing pin spring, and the surface must be unyielding, like concrete floor or steel decking. If, in that situation, the cartridge does fire, the bullet will strike said surface and due to the near right angle the danger to anyone or anything nearby will be minimal at most. The conclusion? If you are worried about your pistol firing when dropped, don't drop your pistol. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ben knows that 1911s can fire if dropped muzzle down. He's posting this specifically to stir up internet controversy. This. It's his MO To be fair, he states that he has CZs that are capable of doing the same thing. Also these other companies don't advertise these pistols as being "duty" ready. |
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So the theory is that the technology that won two world wars isn't fit for copper duty? LOL
Ben is a master troll. |
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Quoted: This was an attempt at epic trolling View Quote Ben has the schitck of acting like a guy who is just asking questions and trying things. It makes the shit stirring funnier. Some of his choices since getting into carbines has me sometimes questioning if its an act though. He just may be that autistic. |
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View Quote AR15s use a free floating firing pin, just like a 1911. |
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It’s almost like Colt made the Series 80 for a reason.
There’s a video where a guy drops an AR off his porch down to his basement patio. A full story drop and it didn’t go off. Yes, 5.56 uses hardened primers, just like most rifle pressure military cartridges do. Some people might actually care about popping printers when their life depends on it. |
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Quoted: tell us you have zero experience with the AR15 platform without telling us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So it's just as safe as an ar15......... The ar15 can go bang just dropping the bolt on a loaded round. tell us you have zero experience with the AR15 platform without telling us. LOL. 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool... |
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Should a dooty gun be drop safe? |
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Series 80 1911's seem like it defeats the purpose of the 1911 trigger.
I had a SR1911 commander. Id get a staccato but Im not a hero. |
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View Quote "I guess we'll do the same thing on the P when I get that one. We'll see how that goes." This after reading 10 comments on how series 70 works and discussing how it's expected to fire when there's no firing pin block. That dude has the life. People pay him to shoot and he goes on the internet to talk shit and gets paid for that too. Winning. |
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Should all guns be drop safe? |
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Quoted: Series 70 1911 actions are not drop safe. This is why colt and kimber went to the series 80 (though I don’t personally believe it necessary). So, technically a multitude of 1911 pattern guns would probably not pass a drop test. Hilton Yam of 10-8 performance did a test a while back on this, and IIRC even the titanium firing pin guns (which is usually the suggested drop safe fix for series 70 1911s) went bang when dropped. CZ Shadow 2s are also not drop safe, and neither are most shotguns. ETA: I also believe a member here dropped his Nighthawk 1911 and had it go boom in a bathroom. View Quote Thank you, voice of reason above here. |
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Quoted: Series 70 1911 actions are not drop safe. This is why colt and kimber went to the series 80 (though I don't personally believe it necessary). So, technically a multitude of 1911 pattern guns would probably not pass a drop test. Hilton Yam of 10-8 performance did a test a while back on this, and IIRC even the titanium firing pin guns (which is usually the suggested drop safe fix for series 70 1911s) went bang when dropped. CZ Shadow 2s are also not drop safe, and neither are most shotguns. ETA: I also believe a member here dropped his Nighthawk 1911 and had it go boom in a bathroom. View Quote CZ Shadow 2 Extended Firing Pins |
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