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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:49:05 AM EDT
DUBAI, Dec 3 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates ordered 80 Rafale fighter jets and 12 military helicopters on Friday, deepening economic and political ties with France through an arms contract worth 17 billion euros ($19.20 billion).
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/frances-macron-nears-uae-rafale-fighter-jet-deal-2021-12-03/ |
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So is that a fuel inlet or a pitot tube?
Same that it ugly-ies up the aircraft so much. |
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Quoted: Great multirole. Now they need the pilots to go with them. View Quote Arabs have always been about show...they like the latest toys and are rich enough to buy whatever they want, but lack the ability or desire to use all the features effectively. It's like selling Ferraris to 9 year-olds. |
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France has a pretty robust domestic military industry.
They produce tanks, fighters, and small arms. Hell they even have a carrier. However, the Eurofighter is much sexier. |
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I don't understand the logic behind the Rafale purchase with the UAE already having the most modern version of the F-16, and the F-35 waiting in the wings.
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Quoted: I don't understand the logic behind the Rafale purchase with the UAE already having the most modern version of the F-16, and the F-35 waiting in the wings. View Quote They can afford em. |
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They have bought French armament since the 80s. They had Mirage fighters they didn’t fly during GW1 because so did the Iraqis.
Their aircraft shelters are also French made. |
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Quoted: I don't understand the logic behind the Rafale purchase with the UAE already having the most modern version of the F-16, and the F-35 waiting in the wings. View Quote So they don't get screwed over by one country or another. If we decide to play games with them they still have their French suppliers |
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I'm glad that my $4.00 a gallon gas is helping the UAE afford planes to buy from Lucky Pierre.
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Rafale is a fucking awesome weapons system against non-peer adversaries.
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Quoted: 1980's technology electronic countermeasures antennas View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Worse still, that tail! What the hell is that oblong box bolted to the top of the tail? The first aid kit ??? 1980's technology electronic countermeasures antennas The SPECTRE EW system is supposed to be one of the best in the world |
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I live just a few miles from Lockheed Martin. Something about them.
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Quoted: 1980's technology electronic countermeasures antennas View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Worse still, that tail! What the hell is that oblong box bolted to the top of the tail? The first aid kit ??? 1980's technology electronic countermeasures antennas So you consider the aircraft itself 1940s technology? |
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Quoted: So you consider the aircraft itself 1940s technology? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Worse still, that tail! What the hell is that oblong box bolted to the top of the tail? The first aid kit ??? 1980's technology electronic countermeasures antennas So you consider the aircraft itself 1940s technology? Well jet engines have their origins in the 40s so it tracks |
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Quoted: Refueling probe. Because the French weren't smart enough to design an internal one like the US, Britain or Russia View Quote Probe and drogue works just fine. Refueling receptacle adds weight, complexity takes up valuable airframe space and you can refuel only one fighter at a time. Since 330MRTT monstrosity and KC46 have drogues its a non issue for them. |
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They gotta train people to fix them and do maintenance. Not sure if its easier to fix...
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Quoted: I don't understand the logic behind the Rafale purchase with the UAE already having the most modern version of the F-16, and the F-35 waiting in the wings. View Quote Because the foggies are pissed at us for the Australian deal. So, any Foreign sales that is up for grabs they are going to make deals. |
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UAE is not happy with us for a number of reasons on the defense side. I'm sure that displeasure affected this purchase decision. We're seeing a general trend of Middle East countries looking to deepen both purchase and training relationships with other US countries both as a hedge against further US withdrawal and as a tool of leverage to prevent that withdrawal.
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Quoted: I don't understand the logic behind the Rafale purchase with the UAE already having the most modern version of the F-16, and the F-35 waiting in the wings. View Quote It's a Middle Eastern Military Fashion Show. Hopefully, these nations stay friendly to the West and don't fall to an internal coup and turn into the next generation Iran. |
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The “1980’s technology” ECM cost Russia Su-35 sales to Egypt as its radar proved useless against their Rafales. |
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Quoted: If you're totally missing the point, I suppose so. Though Rafale covers a lot more "non-peers" than Slingshot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: I don't understand the logic behind the Rafale purchase with the UAE already having the most modern version of the F-16, and the F-35 waiting in the wings. View Quote The article sucks. UAE ditched the US F-35 and drone buy over the Huawei (HWT.UL) 5G technology bullshit. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/middleeast/uae-weapons-deal-washington-china-intl/index.html The United Arab Emirates has suspended a multi-billion dollar deal to buy US-made F-35 fighter jets, in a sign of Abu Dhabi's growing frustration with Washington's attempts to limit Chinese technology sales to the oil-rich Gulf state. "The UAE has informed the US that it will suspend discussions to acquire the F-35," an Emirati official told CNN. "Technical requirements, sovereign operational restrictions, and cost/benefit analysis led to the re-assessment." |
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Quoted: All the maintenance tools for French aircraft are proprietary. It's a real bitch View Quote Yea, no. You can't proprietary wrenches and screwdrivers and hammers. All Military aircraft have specialized IMRL (Individual Material Readiness List) Support Equipment. They have specialized tools (The Super Hornet has a special "wrench" to remove the MLG wheel nut). The fasteners that held the panels on the EA-6B were different than the fasteners on the Growler. And they are different than the fasteners on an H-60. |
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Quoted: I dont forsee them fighting an actual peer. Iran still flies F-4s and F-5s as frontline aircraft View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Rafale is a fucking awesome weapons system against non-peer adversaries. I dont forsee them fighting an actual peer. Iran still flies F-4s and F-5s as frontline aircraft and |
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Quoted: Yea, no. You can't proprietary wrenches and screwdrivers and hammers. All Military aircraft have specialized IMRL (Individual Material Readiness List) Support Equipment. They have specialized tools (The Super Hornet has a special "wrench" to remove the MLG wheel nut). The fasteners that held the panels on the EA-6B were different than the fasteners on the Growler. And they are different than the fasteners on an H-60. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: All the maintenance tools for French aircraft are proprietary. It's a real bitch Yea, no. You can't proprietary wrenches and screwdrivers and hammers. All Military aircraft have specialized IMRL (Individual Material Readiness List) Support Equipment. They have specialized tools (The Super Hornet has a special "wrench" to remove the MLG wheel nut). The fasteners that held the panels on the EA-6B were different than the fasteners on the Growler. And they are different than the fasteners on an H-60. Literally everything is proprietary in Dassualt planes |
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Quoted: Explain to me how a screwdriver or a hammer or a wrench is "Proprietary"? View Quote I have a friend who worked aircraft maintenance in that area. Made a lot of money. He told me that every screw, nut, etc on the Mirage 2000 required special tools. He said the French do it deliberately |
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Quoted: Explain to me how a screwdriver or a hammer or a wrench is "Proprietary"? View Quote 1. Create odd toolform that didn't previously exist, make all your fasteners use it, and patent/copyright it so no other commercial entity can produce that toolform. 2. .... 3. Profit! One either pays the King's tax or one uses a lot of one-off welding when one services said system. Have you ever seen the "security bit" fasteners used on cable boxes and such? |
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I have a friend who worked aircraft maintenance in that area. Made a lot of money. He told me that every screw, nut, etc on the Mirage 2000 required special tools. He said the French do it deliberately View Quote |
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