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Posted: 12/18/2021 9:37:29 AM EDT
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At least it didn’t get stuck under a bridge.
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Posted: 12/18/2021 10:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many packs they could put on a B-52  Based on the number of pallet positions on a BUFF I’d guess roughly zero. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:08:49 AM EDT
[#3]
holy shit.
any cargo aircraft can launch cruise missiles that will leave a mark on the chinese and russian strategy |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:12:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Let the F-35 sensor net be the eyes for the bomb truck.
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the number of pallet positions on a BUFF I’d guess roughly zero. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how many packs they could put on a B-52 Based on the number of pallet positions on a BUFF I’d guess roughly zero. LOL |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:23:50 AM EDT
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The missing piece is the method used to get altitude, heading, lat-long, and maybe winds aloft information to the pallet without tieing into the carry airplane.
For these tests, that can be bypassed by understanding the initial error during initialization before the store separates from the pallet, and accepting the risk. I don't foresee that for go to war hardware. However, if that setup can be accomplished as the pallet is extracted, the program cost is reduced by hundreds of millions, probably a billion or two by eliminating hardware mods and unique software for carry in each different airplane. The investment to make these independent of carry airplane is worthwhile. Cruising far enough may give sufficient time for navigation to sort itself out, too. I like the idea. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:28:25 AM EDT
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Seems like a waste of money?
Who are the countries that could take out so many of our other planes we would be forced to use these? Those countries have nuclear weapons. If this allows us to replace more expensive planes, which I seriously doubt will happen, then cool idea. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:30:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a waste of money? Who are the countries that could take out so many of our other planes we would be forced to use these? Those countries have nuclear weapons. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:30:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a waste of money? Who are the countries that could take out so many of our other planes we would be forced to use these? Those countries have nuclear weapons. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:31:27 AM EDT
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Well I bet the range is reduced significantly since the missile won't have the velocity of the carrier aircraft to start with.
Quote HistoryQuoted: With short take-off and landing capabilities of the C130 platform that leaves the possibility of diffused refuel/rearm points almost anywhere Nice for survivable second strike |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:31:54 AM EDT
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Too bad we put so many hours on the C-17 fleet with the Middle East conflicts.
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:32:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I bet the range is reduced significantly since the missile won't have the velocity of the carrier aircraft to start with. Nice for survivable second strike It gets a nice speed boost on the way down while the engine spools up. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 12:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It gets a nice speed boost on the way down while the engine spools up. They don't exactly have large surfaces to translate their velocity... it's kind of a crossrange situation but in the vertical. Do they fly NOE the whole way or do they also have to climb back the lost alt further dropping range? |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 12:44:01 PM EDT
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READ THE ARTICLE
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:03:29 PM EDT
[#15]
that's fucking cool
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With short take-off and landing capabilities of the C130 platform that leaves the possibility of diffused refuel/rearm points almost anywhere |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:20:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the enemy will have to treat every random cargo plane as a potential missile launch threat. Even if they never build this, making the commies of the world worry about us building it may be a big payoff. What happens when the Chicoms and Russians follow suit? |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:28:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: READ THE ARTICLE  GD is for shitposting and meme trafficking |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:31:39 PM EDT
[#19]
That is slick!
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The missing piece is the method used to get altitude, heading, lat-long, and maybe winds aloft information to the pallet without tieing into the carry airplane. For these tests, that can be bypassed by understanding the initial error during initialization before the store separates from the pallet, and accepting the risk. I don't foresee that for go to war hardware. However, if that setup can be accomplished as the pallet is extracted, the program cost is reduced by hundreds of millions, probably a billion or two by eliminating hardware mods and unique software for carry in each different airplane. The investment to make these independent of carry airplane is worthwhile. Cruising far enough may give sufficient time for navigation to sort itself out, too. I like the idea. We already have GPS re-transmitters in the cargo bay for use with JPADS, it’s not much of a trick to use them for GPS guided weapons as well. We could always run an umbilical to give power/nav data from the carry aircraft too, in a production ready version. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which then begs the question, "how many of these will fit in a C-5?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Didn't they once launch an ICBM from a C-5 Galaxy? |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://c.tenor.com/0PD9TuyZLn4AAAAC/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you.gif GD is for shitposting and meme trafficking Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: READ THE ARTICLE https://c.tenor.com/0PD9TuyZLn4AAAAC/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you.gif GD is for shitposting and meme trafficking OP does not suffer fools |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:55:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a real-life "Tony Stark" out there from looking at that video. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought something like that. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 2:57:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We already have GPS re-transmitters in the cargo bay for use with JPADS, it’s not much of a trick to use them for GPS guided weapons as well. We could always run an umbilical to give power/nav data from the carry aircraft too, in a production ready version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The missing piece is the method used to get altitude, heading, lat-long, and maybe winds aloft information to the pallet without tieing into the carry airplane. For these tests, that can be bypassed by understanding the initial error during initialization before the store separates from the pallet, and accepting the risk. I don't foresee that for go to war hardware. However, if that setup can be accomplished as the pallet is extracted, the program cost is reduced by hundreds of millions, probably a billion or two by eliminating hardware mods and unique software for carry in each different airplane. The investment to make these independent of carry airplane is worthwhile. Cruising far enough may give sufficient time for navigation to sort itself out, too. I like the idea. We already have GPS re-transmitters in the cargo bay for use with JPADS, it’s not much of a trick to use them for GPS guided weapons as well. We could always run an umbilical to give power/nav data from the carry aircraft too, in a production ready version. HIMARS already use the hot panel modification to keep their fire control nav up to date while in flight. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:05:42 PM EDT
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We've been doing this for quite some time.
Sometime back in the 60's or 70's they ran a test up at Hill AFB where they shoved a Minuteman missile out of the back of a cargo plane. Good stuff. 
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty fucking cool. But with our present marxist regime they would be more likely to drop those on "white supremacist militia groups" in the US than on any enemy. And you actually believe 'they' would do that? 
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We already have GPS re-transmitters in the cargo bay for use with JPADS, it's not much of a trick to use them for GPS guided weapons as well. We could always run an umbilical to give power/nav data from the carry aircraft too, in a production ready version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The missing piece is the method used to get altitude, heading, lat-long, and maybe winds aloft information to the pallet without tieing into the carry airplane. For these tests, that can be bypassed by understanding the initial error during initialization before the store separates from the pallet, and accepting the risk. I don't foresee that for go to war hardware. However, if that setup can be accomplished as the pallet is extracted, the program cost is reduced by hundreds of millions, probably a billion or two by eliminating hardware mods and unique software for carry in each different airplane. The investment to make these independent of carry airplane is worthwhile. Cruising far enough may give sufficient time for navigation to sort itself out, too. I like the idea. We already have GPS re-transmitters in the cargo bay for use with JPADS, it's not much of a trick to use them for GPS guided weapons as well. We could always run an umbilical to give power/nav data from the carry aircraft too, in a production ready version. Hooking into the airplane busses is where the complication starts due to unique programming for the store. But initial GPS information ought to be enough if the missile starts out knowing where it is. There's really no argument for relaying store health to the airplane when there is a man in the bay that can look at a monitor on the pallet. There is a benefit in getting the pallet out and stabilized as quickly as possible to shed the parachute to retain as much initial speed as possible. The missile will pick up speed quickly anyway unless it has to recover from a crappy attitude or a spin first. Even that condition doesn't require much time. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:43:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Isn’t this what they were doing in Cameron’s Avatar?
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:48:47 PM EDT
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I've thought more than once while drinking, that they should backward mount pylons of AMRAAMs on the spare pylon spots on the Herc. Come and get me, fighters!
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Posted: 12/18/2021 5:08:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've thought more than once while drinking, that they should backward mount pylons of AMRAAMs on the spare pylon spots on the Herc. Come and get me, fighters! You could probably airdrop a NASAM's though if you could feed it enough info during the drop. I'll be more than happy to come up with an RDT&E estimate for you for that if you want to throw me some money via an OTA. 
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Posted: 12/19/2021 3:35:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, the C-5 did this with a Minuteman back in the 70's... A Minute Man missile is not a cruise missile, it's an intercontinental ballistic missile.  |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 3:35:42 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Calm down and get back on your meds there chief. You're the one with the issues bucko. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 3:38:46 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We've been doing this for quite some time. Sometime back in the 60's or 70's they ran a test up at Hill AFB where they shoved a Minuteman missile out of the back of a cargo plane. Good stuff. A Minuteman missile is not a cruise missile.  |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 4:13:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Looks like a fairly cheap method to go through a lot of very expensive cruise missiles.
2 other things come to mind - if we are seeing this now, is it already deployed. Will they also adapt it to drones with smart bombs. I can imagine using a mothership to get drones deployed would increase their range - but that way most of the range could be the return trip |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 11:52:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a fairly cheap method to go through a lot of very expensive cruise missiles. 2 other things come to mind - if we are seeing this now, is it already deployed. Will they also adapt it to drones with smart bombs. I can imagine using a mothership to get drones deployed would increase their range - but that way most of the range could be the return trip https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43027/c-130-successfully-snatches-gremlins-drone-out-of-mid-air |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 12:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty fucking cool. But with our present marxist regime they would be more likely to drop those on "white supremacist militia groups" in the US than on any enemy. IMHO, at this point, it's all about feeding the monster which is the military industrial complex - getting incredibly wealthy and powerful people more money/power with which to subjugate the world. I'd pray there's never another war, but I fear a big one is just around the corner and CONUS/the US citizenry will not escape serious consequences of "our leaders'" folly. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 12:24:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2021 12:29:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if we can/will sell this technology to our allies that long ago gave up on having strategic bombers because they are so expensive, but still have cargo aircraft because they are so useful. Should give ht echinese and russians kittens when every shitty country around the world can now start slinging cruise missiles from wherever they please. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 12:29:39 PM EDT
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Does this mean USAF will suddenly give a shit about tactical airlift capability, and dust off the C-27J? Or will this be yet another thing they use to instead argue that if a cargo aircraft can be a bomber, they either A) need billions for more capable bombers, or B) no longer need bombers, fighter mafia rejoice?
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Posted: 12/19/2021 12:35:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I alone in sometimes wishing our military/government would NOT divulge our little bag of tricks and tactics for the world to see? Know how i know you didnt read the thread… |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 12:49:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a waste of money? Who are the countries that could take out so many of our other planes we would be forced to use these? Those countries have nuclear weapons. If this allows us to replace more expensive planes, which I seriously doubt will happen, then cool idea. It isn't a question of taking out planes. With a system like this you can launch from just about anywhere, with missiles coming in from any direction, without having to risk combat planes or ships. And every target you can take out this way frees up a combat launcher which can then work over a better defended target. Economics is a bitch. It is even more of a bitch when it gets into a war. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 1:02:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't a question of taking out planes. With a system like this you can launch from just about anywhere, with missiles coming in from any direction, without having to risk combat planes or ships. And every target you can take out this way frees up a combat launcher which can then work over a better defended target. Economics is a bitch. It is even more of a bitch when it gets into a war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a waste of money? Who are the countries that could take out so many of our other planes we would be forced to use these? Those countries have nuclear weapons. If this allows us to replace more expensive planes, which I seriously doubt will happen, then cool idea. It isn't a question of taking out planes. With a system like this you can launch from just about anywhere, with missiles coming in from any direction, without having to risk combat planes or ships. And every target you can take out this way frees up a combat launcher which can then work over a better defended target. Economics is a bitch. It is even more of a bitch when it gets into a war. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 2:02:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean USAF will suddenly give a shit about tactical airlift capability, and dust off the C-27J? Or will this be yet another thing they use to instead argue that if a cargo aircraft can be a bomber, they either A) need billions for more capable bombers, or B) no longer need bombers, fighter mafia rejoice? The mobility air forces is even less cool to the combat air forces than their own fat kids are.
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Posted: 12/19/2021 2:41:26 PM EDT
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Dad was a CMSgt and Loadmaster. He invented a lot of shit still used today while in the USAF. I remember him talking about dropping Polaris missiles out of the back of C-141’s in the early ‘70’s.
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Posted: 12/19/2021 3:03:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which then begs the question, "how many of these will fit in a C-5?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Didn't they once launch an ICBM from a C-5 Galaxy? |
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