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Quoted: 30+ years ago there was an article in the newspaper where my neighbor was arrested in the McDonald’s parking lot with bricks of cocaine. A few nights later his house got raided. I could see them ripping up all of the insulation in his attic through the gable vent, I could hear them tossing his woodpile in the basement. I guess they generally ransacked the place. He never did any jail time beyond a week I believe but a nice guy arrived with a Rolls Royce limo and driver about 3 months later. He was inside my neighbors house for about 3 hours before leaving. He then ventured into flipping pallets. Pick up trailer loads of cracked pallets, repair them as needed and take them out to resell. The trailer would be stacked just under 16 foot high. He ended up having two workers that helped him with the carpentry repairs on the pallets. Stated he cleared $110k in cash two years in a row doing that. No idea where the money went because he lived in absolute squalor. Fast forward about 5 years I had this super bright laser pointer and I shined it through his front picture window while he was asleep watching Tv in his chair. Took a bit to wake him up by flipping the red beam past his face. When he did come to, I moved the laser to the center of his chest. He sat for about 5 seconds looking at it before jumping up to turn off all of the lights ad Tv. So I shut off the laser and watched. I was in the shadows but could see his face in the moonlight looking out various windows of his house. About 10 years later I was bullshitting with him when I bought his dads rifle from him. I came clean about the laser and he was relieved it was me. He lived all that time looking over his shoulder thinking the coke guy was going to come back for him. He eventually ended up dead of a heart attack on the side of the road while picking up firewood. View Quote |
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A few years ago I talked a couple of my older buddies into getting their carry permits and training a bit. They both bought Ruger LCR's with lasers.
Sweet Jeezus Watching them try and shoot could put you into an epaleptic fit. |
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I've heard one viable use for Lasers
Apparently it was useful to have visible green lasers for gate guards in Iraq/Afghanistan as the laser hitting the windshield was enough to alert most drivers they were about to fuck up badly. Side benefit- the machine gunners were aimed and set if the laser show didn't stop them. |
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If you want to see something really stupid watch this. I thought of this because of another thread a couple of weeks ago and I'm amazed they're apparently still in business. Sorry for linking an InRange video, it's the only place I could find someone covering their dangerous nonsense.
Scariest Product of SHOT 2016: Trigger-Activated Light for Snipers |
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It’s a simple answer for me. I never ever liked shooting with one. Iron sights and red dots work well for me.
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I have an ancient pair of CT Grips for a 1911. Have them on my Ruger .22 for varmint duty at night.
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My dad has a crimson trace laser on his 38 special. Even with brand new batteries, you can't see the laser dot on a wall during daylight hours. The thing is useless for 12 hours out of the day.
Are there lasers made by other brands that you can see the red dot in bright daylight?? His absolutely sucks. |
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Red dots optics are better in every way.
The laser tech became outdated. |
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Quoted: If there's a guy pointing a gun at him, is he going to be looking at his chest? Other people looking at him, ie the audience, are the ones looking at that. A visual device in movies is the best use of a vis laser. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I suppose it would have a psychological effect, if you're close range. A laser would tell them "yep, that gun is pointed right at my chest!" If there's a guy pointing a gun at him, is he going to be looking at his chest? Other people looking at him, ie the audience, are the ones looking at that. A visual device in movies is the best use of a vis laser. There's enough dust in the air they don't have to look down to see it's on them. And that's assuming you don't put it in their eyes |
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Quoted: They can’t see it though. I used to have one on my patrol rifle way back in the day. Had a suspect once (20 some years ago or more) who likely didn’t speak great english, and who was not getting the hint while having an AR pointed at him, laser dot was right on him. Sweeping the laser directly into his eyes did the trick though to get him to understand that he was gonna lose if he kept it up and decided to try his luck in a gunfight. So they have their uses I suppose. A good use would be if you just have an optic with no back up irons- the laser is the backup sight. Better than nothing. The issue is that most of them are low quality, or have some poorly thought out design issues. Once upon a time I happened to do a traffic stop on one of the founders of Crimson Trace, and we got to talking about the lasers they were making for pistols. At the time their design had the laser emitter in the upper right side of the pistol grip. I had to explain that I would never buy one or recommend it, simply because they put the laser where you trigger finger would always block it if you were keeping your trigger finger off the trigger until you were ready to fire- a basic firearm safety rule. It was like they knew a lot about lasers, but not much about how people were professionally trained to shoot, and indexing your trigger finger was a foreign concept or something. I personally liked the old DBAL for IR and visible laser use, but nowadays that is out of fashion due to concerns about your opponent also having NV capability. Maybe, but plenty of people still don’t have NV, nor know how to actually use it… View Quote That's the point. Wtf. |
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Quoted: They are still a thing just not for us poors. Get some panoramic nods and it laser View Quote The poors love lasers After they buy all the red anodized parts from Strike Industries and feel there are sufficient Punisher skulls on their AR they usually stick an NCStar laser somewhere. |
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Quoted: There's enough dust in the air they don't have to look down to see it's on them. And that's assuming you don't put it in their eyes View Quote Yup, With a green laser at night, you can DEFINALTY see the beam. I can point the laser at trees 300 yards away at night and see the beam from basically bore to branch. It is almost comical when looking through my 3x when it is really dark outside. It isn't simply a green dot overlaying my red crosshair, it is a green line extending from bore to my crosshair. (Huge benefit of 12:00 position). I can also easily see the green dot when using the white light. |
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Quoted: My dad has a crimson trace laser on his 38 special. Even with brand new batteries, you can't see the laser dot on a wall during daylight hours. The thing is useless for 12 hours out of the day. Are there lasers made by other brands that you can see the red dot in bright daylight?? His absolutely sucks. View Quote Only 10% (ish) of my encounters have been during the daylight. And those were close enough that no sights mattered. |
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My wife’s bodyguard came with a laser. Only reason is because it was on clearance at PSA for 30 or 40 bucks less than the model without one.
It’s battery died years ago and never bothered replacing it. |
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I had one on my Glock until I broke it.
honestly, I never used it anyway, and it is worthless in the daylight. |
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Quoted: My dad has a crimson trace laser on his 38 special. Even with brand new batteries, you can't see the laser dot on a wall during daylight hours. The thing is useless for 12 hours out of the day. Are there lasers made by other brands that you can see the red dot in bright daylight?? His absolutely sucks. View Quote From the horses mouth: https://www.crimsontrace.com/complete-focus/education/red-green-laser/ If you google red vs green laser, it will tell you about the human eye and different wavelengths. Basically, in bright daylight, we see green lasers a hell of a lot better than red lasers. I have green and red lasers I looked at side-by-side, there is no contest. However, green lasers are usually more expensive, and use up far more energy. If I remember correctly, between the two TLR-RM2's, the red version was something like 11 hours of laser, while the green version was something like 1.5 hours. Side question. Is this lasers and handguns or lasers on sub-guns, CQB rifles and shotties? |
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1. With a red dot sight on your pistol they are no longer necessary.
2. AMT stopped producing the .45 Longslide mit Later sightings ( said with an Austrian accent). |
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Because they are stupid and slow
Only people who still use them are boomers who never train |
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View Quote My work gun has both a visible and IR laser. It’s a small club, and you ain’t in it. |
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I kind of want one, for fun. I grew up in the 80's and thought they were the coolest thing you could have.
Maybe I should get that Gen1 Glock 17 reissue and find an old Lasermax guide rod for it. |
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Quoted: First you number your numbered options, then you weigh your choices, then you divide your angles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Cool. How do you clear a blind corner on a short room off a cramped hallway? First you number your numbered options, then you weigh your choices, then you divide your angles. I'm just blasting the drywall and yeeting my way in. #fucktraining |
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Quoted: Target focus is the same for RDS or a laser. If you are searching for the dot your presentation sucks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: In a defensive situation they make no sense; let's point a gun, look for a dot "somewhere over there". You're attention is on looking for a fucking dot. RDS is the only way. Target focus is the same for RDS or a laser. If you are searching for the dot your presentation sucks This |
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Quoted: Snubbys with useless sights are one of the few places I can understand their use. Then again getting a gun with proper sights/optics is a much better idea. View Quote |
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Even the expensive ones are very hard to see outdoors at any distance beyond 5 yards.
At 5 yards I’m pointing without “aiming” in almost every situation. Indoors in low light maybe pick up a few yards. But how many shots farther than 5 yards are you going to have? I have two of the expensive Surefire models white-light/laser combo. The white light is more useful for aiming than the laser. |
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Quoted: Even the expensive ones are very hard to see outdoors at any distance beyond 5 yards. At 5 yards I’m pointing without “aiming” in almost every situation. Indoors in low light maybe pick up a few yards. But how many shots farther than 5 yards are you going to have? I have two of the expensive Surefire models white-light/laser combo. The white light is more useful for aiming than the laser. View Quote It’s seven yards down my hallway. I have a 25 yard shot inside my house. |
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Lasers have their uses - just like air soft guns do.
1. For me, if I'm holding someone at gunpoint I want to be able to see their hands and bodily movements so taking initial aim with an rds and maintaining aim with a laser while removing my firearm from the core of my vision cone can be useful. I can see a lot more without that weapon jammed in the middle of it all. It's even more true with a rifle. 2. If you find yourself shooting from a vehicle there are TONS of positions where your sights are unusable. If you have a very high brightness (PERST-4 g3 Plus) laser, you can use it to direct fire. 3. At night. If they don't have NODS, carry on. If they do, a "negligent IR discharge" makes a pretty good cookie for the baited ambush cookie jar. Maneuver warfare don't end cause the sun took a break. |
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