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I eagerly anticipate the review, I've read several online reviews that has proclaimed this gun as the next best thing since sliced bread. I'll wait until they reach more civvie hands before I purchase one though.
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Nope, just a subjective comparison against the SW40F and the Glock 22 with 5.5# connector. I don't have a trigger scale. Firing update in original post. |
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Thanks for the info. Any chance of pics showing the inner workings?
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Yup, pics are now up. |
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2,000+ rounds in one day, followed by another 2,000 rounds the next day? You're nuts!
Thanks for the review. |
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Much thanks for the pics, I have been very curious of this pistol. I have a couple questions, if you don't mind.
Can the gun be used without the takedown tool in place? How secure is the tool in the pistol? How solid and secure are the backstraps? any movement or "wiggle factor"? Thanks! |
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Take this for what it is worth, we got a call today from our dealer rep to tell us that most of upper management for Smith and Wesson was FIRED within the last 48 hours........ no details .........
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Now thats interesting. If its true that is. |
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BTT Looking forward to trying one of these....
Anymore info on the S&W managament item? |
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I've been eyeing this gun for about 4 months now. Great report.! Hopefully S&W will iron out some of the bugs before I decide to take the plunge..otherwise I will stick with my Glocks and 1911s..D
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Thanks for the review - nice write-up! As a long time (satisfied) owner of several S&W autos, I've been looking forward to more details on these.
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Well, it sounds like the bugs are being ironed out all right... Starting at the top. |
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If only all firearm reviews were this free of bullshit - GREAT READ!
Putting aside the point that, yes, indeed in a gross motor skill sense, THE WAY to finish an emergency reload is by pulling the slide back - but if S&W really wnats us to do it that way, all the time, why have a lever at all? Just to assist the user when they want to lock the slide back and there's no magazine handy? If, and this is a pretty small if, there became available an "extended" slide release - would that work? |
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The XD now has competition for the most mocked (by me) wanna-be Glock pistol. Integral key-lock optional for LE? Not optional for everyone? Loaded chamber indicator by drilling a hole in the slide and barrel? Great review, but what is S&W thinking? Sigma Deux. |
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Excellent evaluation!! You've acknowledged the differences between your objective and subjective findings. I appreciate both.
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Great review, have you sent a link to the thread to the boys at S&W? I think that if they know you are making your opinion and possible shortcommings public they might look at/correct them faster.
I myself am very interested in getting one if the reports continue to be promising.... S.O. |
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You are aware that the Springfield 1911's are the same way right? |
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Another reason to not own a Springfield |
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That's funny. This is my complaint with the Glocks - the bottom of the trigger guard rubs a hole in my finger after a few hundred rounds. Interesting that you experienced it with the M&P. |
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Smith and Wesson Rep, came by last week to demo one.
My Thoughts honestly, Smith's second try at getting around Glocks patent for that whole Sigma ordeal. It's basically a Glock (obviously) with a few modifications that were not needed. Don't get me wrong I do like the pistol, makes some minor improvements that glock haters have always addressed. But face the facts, it's just a copy of the Glock....... again. Once more I was really shocked to learn They want to retail those thing at close to 700 bucks! You pay more for Smith's Copy than you do for the original gun?!! An Extra 200 bucks and for what a better grip angle? I also didn't ask but now that I think about it, I bet it will not have a tenifer finish either. I don't think that process is done here in the U.S. Great Review! glenn_r Very informative!!! I'm not here to piss on the M&P40, but... I am a little pissed at S&W they could have tried to really go toe to toe with Glock, instead they priced them-selves right out of the game early. It's a good gun, but it's just a copy..... a more expensive copy that has yet to be proven like the glock has. Tag for my incoming shitstorm. |
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According to the sales rep, the department price of this gun will be the same as Glock. I didn't ask about retail sales.
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Usually, reps can only speak to the MSRP. S&W knows that no one really pays MSRP, but it isn't their place to get much into the street price.
Actually, S&W's Melonite is a very similar process to Glock's Tenifer. A semi-technical description is available here.
I think it may be a bit early to call it based on price alone. Compare the guns on features and performance and let price be the last thing you bring into the mix. From what I have seen so far, I am not particularly impressed by the M&P's features. The integral safeties, odd operation of the slide lock, and the regrettable heritage of the Sigma's trigger are turn-offs for me. (The FN FNP-9 is much more my speed but that's another thread.) This is S&W's third try at a polymer pistol, which means they put themselves in the position of competing against the S&W 99 (a better gun IMO) and the Sigma, neither of which is really selling like hotcakes. Let's hope they do well with the M&P, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see these being closed out by CDNN in a few years for $399. |
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Maybe you should check your facts a little better. The Sigma is S&W's top selling pistol right now, followed by all of the SW1911 models put together. The early ones had some problems, but the only complaint anyone can have with the "Enhanced" Sigmas currently produced is the heavy trigger pull. I'm over 8000 rounds in both 9mm and .40 Enhanced Sigmas without a single malfunction of any kind. And, they have all been cast bullet reloads, too. S&W added another Sigma manufacturing line last year, and they are still having trouble keeping up with the demand from distributors on them. Like them or not, they are selling a LOT of them. I think the M&P will effect some of the Sigma sales, and will completely kill the SW99/990's numbers, but the Sigma is going to least, especially with a gunshop price of less than $300. |
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Hmm. Didn't know that. I certainly wouldn't have guessed. |
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Great review glenn_r-
Have you had any problems with misfires/light primer hits? I'm "the first kid on the block" here to buy one & after 400 rounds, I've had 8 misfires/light hits. It's happened with both factory & reloads so I'm sure it ain't the ammo. It looks like it's going to get sent back to Smith... (BTW I have no problem closing the slide with the slide release. It's definitely harder than a 1911 or a Glock though.) Other than that here's my $.02: Steel mags insert/drop out easier than Glock's. Trigger pull is better than a Glock's. Grip shape's more comfortable. I really like the beavertal tang extension. The feed ramp fully supports the case in the chamber (this is a BIG improvement). Accuracy sucks. I'm no accuracy freak but something better than 5" at 25 yards would be preferable. If it weren't for the misfires, I'd be ordering a Milt Sparks Summer Special for it right now. But that will have to wait until after the ignition gets fixed. As they say, "stay tuned". |
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Excellent review! I enjoyed reading it.
Now I can't wait to see Ernest Langdon go up against Dave Sevigny; M&P vs Glock. Makes for a very interesting Winter Championships, Carolina Cup and oh yeah, Nationals! |
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Nope
A much different experience than mine. Here it's not just harder, it's impossible. |
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So is there any truth to this, or is it just the usual 'Net rumor? |
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Am I understanding this correctly, that in order to disassemble the gun you have to put your finger (or some other object) into the open chamber, then manipulate the take down lever?
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You need to insert a pen or the disassembly tool into the ejection port to flip the squiggly yellow lever forward. Unlike a Glock or a Sigma, you do not have to pull the trigger. |
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1/9 update--probably the last one before this thing gets sent back to S&W
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Hey Glenn before you send it back you should give a little bit of that treatment that misterPX gives his sig. Ya know throw it around into the dirt and puddles and all that good stuff...... for um reliability in advers conditions testing yah that s it. |
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My understanding is that Columbus (OH) PD is going to transition to these. They've long carried SW 4506 (and whatever the smaller SW 45 is.) They may not be one of the biggest agencies nationally, but with ~1800 officers, its not small, either. It'll be interesting to see what there experiance is. Of course, we'll see when (and if) it happens.
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Sent the M&P back to S&W today because of the light primer hits I was having.
Took it apart, the firing pin was peened in the area where it contacts the FP safety. Looks like the safety plunger wasn't getting out of the way of the FP 100%. This would explain the light hits. Stay tuned- |
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once again smith and wesson produces a POS for a semi auto pistol.
The all metal Smith's are great I've had a couple of them. I love the wheel guns but they consistantly drop the ball on auto pistols (except their 1911s I shot one of those last weekend VERY GOOD pistol) |
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We had one in our shop for eval. About 15 pros went over it and most were unimpressed. Ran through about 500 rounds or so, no malfs. Most folks had problems with keeping a grip until we put the largest grip panel on. Everyone thought the fact you had to use a tool/pen/anything or be a proctologist to move that damn yellow lever out of the way was STUPID. No one wanted the mag disconnect, also STUPID. If I had one round in the pipe and no mag, I want to be able to USE IT.
It may be S&W's intent that the slide be placed back in battery by manually retracting it, but the method/technique should be the operators choice, not mandated by making it impossible with no purchase on the stop. Can't see it displacing Glock as the top non-metal frame pistol anywhere in the near (or distant) future. |
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