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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: some states will suspend licenses, both professional and recreational, for back support. and other states are even bigger dicks about it. I have to wonder if Illinois will suspend your FOID card if you're behind on child support. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:44:09 PM EDT
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This man understand the system completely ^ signed: been there - done that  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You have to understand the system and it's actual intent. The basics: First and most importantly it isn't child support. It's a tax of opportunities for the state. Second, it relies on the disproportionate custody bias against fathers. Third. The money is sent to a central collection fund where the interest is skimmed by the state. It's is calculated into the fiscal budget of the state. Once you understand this, the rest of the entire family court system bullshit comes to light. For instance, Men make more money than women as an average. Support is based on combined income and standard of living that income gives. It is awarded proportionality, well not really. Many single mothers receive state or federal assistance. It would be a loss to the state to upend the tradition of maternal custody since the fund of support payments would be lower and thus impact the states budget. It is in the best interest of the state to take every single penny possible in a support case. Child support is worse than eminent domain, asset forfeiture, illegal taxation, and having a standing army live in your house all together. The state can and will fuck your ass raw at will with impunity. signed: been there - done that |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:48:01 PM EDT
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Never get married in Ohio without a prenup - the divorce courts are murder on men (or so I am told).
I used to know a guy that came home from work unexpectedly early one day, to find his wife riding dick on another man in the bedroom. The court treated HIM like the guilty party, and because there were children, he was financially fucked over worse than Hiroshima. He ended up, at one point, living in his car because he could no longer afford a roof over his head. 
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:50:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:51:06 PM EDT
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Been seeing more and more guys that are married while on active duty get hit with divorce papers either right before or right after they retire. Their ex-spouse then can get a portion of their military pension in many cases. All 50 states recognize military pensions as marital or community property.
People mistakenly think they have to be married a minimum of 10 years on active duty for a spouse to be entitled to a portion of their pension, the 10 year rule is just the minimum that requires the government to make direct payments to the ex-spouse, they don't care how the judge divides it up. Federal law defers judgements on actually dividing a military pension in a divorce case to the court in the jurisdiction the divorce is filed in. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:59:04 PM EDT
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That is $20K per month plus pay his and hers legal bill.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:59:41 PM EDT
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One stipulation in my divorce was that I can't hold a passport. Several years before she took off with my kids I was going through old papers and pictures, she found that I had a long expired passport and she stated loosing her shit over it. Lots of screaming questions of "Why do you think you need one? Where did you get this?Why do you have this?" |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:02:05 PM EDT
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Arrest the judge |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:04:12 PM EDT
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Helluva way out of $20k a month. She's getting what she deserves now. Nothing, zada, zip, zilch.
Had a coworker who was expected to survive on $2 week. Family court didn't care he had nothing left for himself. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:10:42 PM EDT
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Me too. Guess how much child support I got when I had custody? |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:45:02 PM EDT
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I'd have been doing some killing. But I wouldn't be killing myself. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:56:14 PM EDT
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His ex-wife should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:57:27 PM EDT
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The Judge should be fired and arrested immediately! The whole divorce and child support system is totally gender biased and a complete scam. Yet their are no repercussions for Judges who preside over such cases and rulings that destroy lives or lead to suicide. It is all too common and these Judges that refuse to hear facts and circumstances should be held liable if situations like this occur. They need to answer to someone not just be untouchable when they take away someones rights and wellbeing. It makes me sick!!!!
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just can't seem to find a moral objection to it. Legally? Murder isn't allowed. Ethically? Family and dog were uninvolved, leave them out. Morally? Reap was you sow, judge. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:02:12 PM EDT
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Those poor children.
Growing up without a father because their mother is a lunatic nightmare, and they're stuck with her. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:08:56 PM EDT
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Thus, in my case a $1500 in child support while unemployed. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:11:35 PM EDT
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I'd like to think that if that were me, I'd take on the hobby of uparmoring bulldozers.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:11:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My exact thought, almost word for word. Legally? Murder isn't allowed. Ethically? Family and dog were uninvolved, leave them out. Morally? Reap was you sow, judge. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:24:41 PM EDT
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I think this was because of the crazy ex Several years before she took off with my kids I was going through old papers and pictures, she found that I had a long expired passport and she stated loosing her shit over it. Lots of screaming questions of "Why do you think you need one? Where did you get this?Why do you have this?" |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:28:39 PM EDT
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How very sad.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:30:47 PM EDT
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What the fuck is wrong with that judge? How can you just blatantly ignore the fact that the guy went from having a shitload of income to ZERO income, and pretend it has no bearing on his ability to pay? Also, why is anyone, ever, being required to pay TWENTY FUCKING THOUSAND dollars a month in child support? 
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:39:59 PM EDT
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Do judges or legislators set the formulas? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: My exact thought, almost word for word. Legally? Murder isn't allowed. Ethically? Family and dog were uninvolved, leave them out. Morally? Reap was you sow, judge. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:41:03 PM EDT
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Stop getting married.
AWALT - All Women Are Like That |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:42:28 PM EDT
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Do child raising expenses/obligations cease when a divorced father is unemployed? Certain actives for the kids should be curtailed but there is still a monthly nut to cover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thus, in my case a $1500 in child support while unemployed. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:42:36 PM EDT
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Usually the guy you offer the money to runs to the cops and comes back with a wire on, tough to find good button men these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$10K can have most people dissapeared quite quickly. Most divorcees should go this route when dealing with a cruelly vindictive wife. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:47:26 PM EDT
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Family courts are generally run by feminist lesbian cat ladies. These women shouldn't be voting, much less making any decisions on other people's families.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:50:20 PM EDT
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Child support should not lead to debtors prison.
It's a civil issue. They won't put you in prison for not making your house payment. It's total bullshit. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:57:41 PM EDT
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I got divorced in 1987 in the great state of Ohio At the time of my divorce I was a 2nd year electrical NON UNION apprentice working at a prevailing wage job ( temporary UNION SCALE ) My normal rate of pay the previous 2 years was $7 up to its current $7.50 or $8 an hour MY TEMPORARY pay on that particular job ( was buiding some big ass correctional prison center kinda close to Kings Island amusement park - i think Wayne county ? ) Anyhow my hourly rate of pay was more than DOUBLE at this temporary job - i think around $15-16 bucks an hour ( good $ in 1987 ) Yea - guess what my child support was figured at ? YOU GUESSED IT - they came up with some insane bullshit figure of my annual income based on the short TEMPORARY time frame I was working at this higher rate prevailing wage job FUCK the courts and fuck all the ex wives and fuck the Ohio Bureau of Support Services  |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:03:56 PM EDT
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And that's why I don't get married.
It would be nice to have kids; but I'm pathologically averse to frivolous catastrophic risk. 
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:05:55 PM EDT
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260 court appearances? Ho-lee fuck. That's insane.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:16:52 PM EDT
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Just curious, how often did the ex-wife provide receipts to the Court? |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:26:15 PM EDT
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$10K can have most people dissapeared quite quickly. Most divorcees should go this route when dealing with a cruelly vindictive wife. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:28:37 PM EDT
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Child support should not lead to debtors prison. It's a civil issue. They won't put you in prison for not making your house payment. It's total bullshit. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:29:06 PM EDT
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Helluva way out of $20k a month. She's getting what she deserves now. Nothing, zada, zip, zilch. Had a coworker who was expected to survive on $2 week. Family court didn't care he had nothing left for himself. 
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:35:32 PM EDT
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There was a story of a guy jailed for not paying, his payments were like 104% of his income and no way he could make them.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:36:22 PM EDT
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What a shitty situation.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:38:15 PM EDT
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Supporting your fuck trophies isn't the same as a mortgage. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:42:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: using such emotionally-charged language on this subject excludes your comments from consideration by those capable of rational thought. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:44:18 PM EDT
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Family courts are generally run by feminist lesbian cat ladies. These women shouldn't be voting, much less making any decisions on other people's families. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:50:01 PM EDT
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For all those saying "don't get married" ... Do you realize you don't have to be married for a family court to go after you for CS ??
I used to wonder what pissed people off enough to do mass shootings/kill entire families and then shoot it out to the death with the cops...I don't wonder anymore, now i know what causes it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:50:05 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:52:05 PM EDT
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marriage for men in this Country is a losing proposition
have relationships, have a girlfriend, fall in love, whatever don't marry, don't live with a women, don't share assets with a women, ever i hope to witness one day in this Country women screeching because no one will marry them marriage/divorce is now used by the state as a control mechanism, i've been saying this for a long time on arfcom make a mental note of this: at some point in the future marriage will be non-existent, at that point women will demand laws that outline obligations of men who they allow to fuck them |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:53:47 PM EDT
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Supporting your fuck trophies isn't the same as a mortgage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Child support should not lead to debtors prison. It's a civil issue. They won't put you in prison for not making your house payment. It's total bullshit. Also until they DNA test every birth it's what 25-30% chance the father on the birth certificate is not the actual parent. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:56:50 PM EDT
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His daddy (Jack Doheny) had some deep pockets. Jack owned a sewer equipment company with ~500 employees and $1B+ in sales.
Sounds like the wife wanted some of that family money. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 10:58:06 PM EDT
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So taking away your ability to legally get to a job to make money because you own money. Sounds like a brilliant govt solution! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: some states will suspend licenses, both professional and recreational, for back support. and other states are even bigger dicks about it. I have to wonder if Illinois will suspend your FOID card if you're behind on child support. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:00:15 PM EDT
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It's no longer a case of actually having children anymore.
In either Washington or Oregon if you actually date a woman or are friends, etc, the woman can actually file for child support based upon you being a "significant" aspect of their lives. Also, for the one who said support shouldn't end just because you are on unemployed, yes and true. Also, you shouldn't have to live in your car so that your ex can have a nicer house than before, new clothes, new furniture, new car, and the income from a boyfriend..... The system has no basis for reality..... |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:01:22 PM EDT
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Unless he was not a scumbag and not willing to lower himself to that level, regardless what the judge and ex-wife did to him. He checked out and didn't hurt anyone else in the process, even though the same cannot be said for the ex-wife and judge. If he did what you espouse, he wouldn't be any better than the two of them. How would that make him smart if he followed your warped advice?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He'd have been a lot smarter plotting against the wife, the attorney, and the judge. Seeing as he was planning on checking out anyhow. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:01:57 PM EDT
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Well he is one of those that arrest people for it. Has to figure out a way to sleep at night some how. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: using such emotionally-charged language on this subject excludes your comments from consideration by those capable of rational thought. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:03:04 PM EDT
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In either Washington or Oregon if you actually date a woman or are friends, etc, the woman can actually file for child support based upon you being a "significant" aspect of their lives. men need to wake the fuck up
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:04:47 PM EDT
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Washington State also makes Step-fathers pay child support in order to "ease " the mother's transistion....
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