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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you stand up to it WHILE IT IS HAPPENING. Put your hands on your coworkers and stop them from violating people's rights and overstepping the Constitution. If you stand by and watch the acts happen then you're just as guilty. Well.....you're talking about an extreme example. Yes, in a perfect world if someone is getting out of hand, other officers do something. Generally the most common situation is an amped up officer at the end of a fight or pursuit "going the extra distance" because the tempo is so high. Other officers will step in and handle getting the suspect in cuffs and such and tell the officer in question "OK ook ok!! We got him!" and dial things back. Its rare in this day and age to see an officer just go for the gold medal and absolutely go a mile past the point. All officers generally WILL stop something from going too far. It's just not common that they would have to. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat an idiot  When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic.  He needs gotten rid of. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:40:48 PM EDT
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I watched again(new video). He actually told her to "stop resisting" AFTER she was unconscious.
Seems that's hammered into them to say that(cops)??????? |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:42:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only emergency lights going was on the tow truck. Active investigation? Sure thing. Lying sacks of shit on top of it all to boot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like cops wandering the parking lot not an active crime scene... The only emergency lights going was on the tow truck. Active investigation? Sure thing. Lying sacks of shit on top of it all to boot. That was already known with the list of charges they booked her under |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well.....you're talking about an extreme example. Yes, in a perfect world if someone is getting out of hand, other officers do something. Generally the most common situation is an amped up officer at the end of a fight or pursuit "going the extra distance" because the tempo is so high. Other officers will step in and handle getting the suspect in cuffs and such and tell the officer in question "OK ook ok!! We got him!" and dial things back. Its rare in this day and age to see an officer just go for the gold medal and absolutely go a mile past the point. All officers generally WILL stop something from going too far. It's just not common that they would have to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, you stand up to it WHILE IT IS HAPPENING. Put your hands on your coworkers and stop them from violating people's rights and overstepping the Constitution. If you stand by and watch the acts happen then you're just as guilty. Well.....you're talking about an extreme example. Yes, in a perfect world if someone is getting out of hand, other officers do something. Generally the most common situation is an amped up officer at the end of a fight or pursuit "going the extra distance" because the tempo is so high. Other officers will step in and handle getting the suspect in cuffs and such and tell the officer in question "OK ook ok!! We got him!" and dial things back. Its rare in this day and age to see an officer just go for the gold medal and absolutely go a mile past the point. All officers generally WILL stop something from going too far. It's just not common that they would have to. All of that sounds very reasonable. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:44:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched again(new video). He actually told her to "stop resisting" AFTER she was unconscious. Seems that's hammered into them to say that(cops)??????? |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She was actually talking to the one female cop when he assaulted her. Well, hold on. Im NOT defending him..........BUT, he was detaining her and she tensed up and started resisting. She was not compliant. Verbally or physically. Now in the spectrum of "resisting", she was not going to get a gold medal in the resisting competition. And thats what needed to be taken into account. A few extra moments of giving her lawful orders, a few more gentle hands on from the fellow officers, and she would have been properly placed in cuffs. The argument that is was a lawful arrest, therefore a lawful order, is another argument. ALL I am saying is that sometimes you have to use your judgement and your verbal orders a few extra times depending on whether you are dealing with a 60 year old auditor with a iphone on a gimbal, or a 26 year old "valedictorian" with a ghost gun and warrants. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an idiot When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic. He needs gotten rid of. Quote HistoryQuoted: What an idiot When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic. He needs gotten rid of. Now you see how your case law link fits so perfectly? Not dogging you, but her video showed the same, but at ground level. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was much younger and taking my FF1/2 and EMS tests we were taught to say the right thing when preforming a task even if we missed a step or 2. That way we could pass the exam even if we screw up. So maybe they are too? Same thing in the military. It helps with remembering the steps of the activity you're trying to do. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an idiot When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic. He needs gotten rid of. 100% Sir. He needs to go bye bye. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:46:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched again(new video). He actually told her to "stop resisting" AFTER she was unconscious. Seems that's hammered into them to say that(cops)??????? You are right. Like.....from day 1. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:47:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This goes for both the police and people filming the police. Just go about your day not looking for trouble and a lot of these incidents will go away. Goddamn witnesses always fucking up a good time amirite? |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:47:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mod hat is off for this thread. Most threads where someone causes their own problems, the replies are all "fuck around and find out". I'm sure the other body cam videos will eventually be released, but based on nothing else but her own video, she got told to move, didn't, argued with the officer that warned her, and then got told she was under arrest. That's on her. The force used may have been too much, may not have been, but you can't argue she was doing nothing wrong because she provided all the evidence that she was. Don't want shit... don't start shit. If you want to argue that police are power hungry assholes and are out of control, how can you also argue that it's ok to go up and start shit with them and act surprised that it ended up badly for her? |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:47:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was already known with the list of charges they booked her under No disagreement at all. Thanks for posting the video! |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was much younger and taking my FF1/2 and EMS tests we were taught to say the right thing when preforming a task even if we missed a step or 2. That way we could pass the exam even if we screw up. So maybe they are too? Thats fucking hilarious dude. I had an instructor with a blue gun act out a scenario where he had someone at gunpoint and said "Drop..BAM...the gun." Like, finish your sentence regardless. The way the brain works, he explained, that the witnesses would not be able to recall from memory if you said anything after the gunfire. That actually, the brain would re-order the events FOR them to remember that you said "Drop the gun" THEN you discharged your weapon... |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:51:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Just like the social services "Greyhound therapy" back in the day. Ship them out. Not our problem anymore. And they take their creds with them. They can hire on elsewhere most of the time. It needs to stop, but that has to happen on the state level. Jerk their creds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Just like the social services "Greyhound therapy" back in the day. Ship them out. Not our problem anymore. And they take their creds with them. They can hire on elsewhere most of the time. It needs to stop, but that has to happen on the state level. Jerk their creds. Unions, Brotherhoods and Fraternal Orders are the ass cancer that keeps LARP'ers in circulation. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that include running into the middle of an investigation and pestering the officers? That advice could have kept this lady from getting thrown on her face. LOL She was recording them tow cars out of a private lot from a public right-of-way. There was no crime scene tape up. She did nothing illegal. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats fucking hilarious dude. I had an instructor with a blue gun act out a scenario where he had someone at gunpoint and said "Drop..BAM...the gun." Like, finish your sentence regardless. The way the brain works, he explained, that the witnesses would not be able to recall from memory if you said anything after the gunfire. That actually, the brain would re-order the events FOR them to remember that you said "Drop the gun" THEN you discharged your weapon... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When I was much younger and taking my FF1/2 and EMS tests we were taught to say the right thing when preforming a task even if we missed a step or 2. That way we could pass the exam even if we screw up. So maybe they are too? Thats fucking hilarious dude. I had an instructor with a blue gun act out a scenario where he had someone at gunpoint and said "Drop..BAM...the gun." Like, finish your sentence regardless. The way the brain works, he explained, that the witnesses would not be able to recall from memory if you said anything after the gunfire. That actually, the brain would re-order the events FOR them to remember that you said "Drop the gun" THEN you discharged your weapon... That's literally what happened when the Ft Worth PD murdered the lady in her own bedroom a few years back |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:55:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unions, Brotherhoods and Fraternal Orders are the ass cancer that keeps LARP'ers in circulation. 100% Fucking POA's can chug a meatstick. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:56:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, there was no stopping this assault. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not just the chiefs.. EVERYONE. If you work with the "bad apples" and don't do anything about their behavior, like we see in 99.9% of all the video encounters, then you're guilty as well. Well, that DOES happen. Tier 1 - The FTO lets the supervisor know that the rookie sucks. Suddenly, the rookie finds themselves checking kids ID's in city parks for curfew violations until they cry. And it keeps on going. People make it known if they dont want to work with you. And supervisors listen. They dont want to have shit happen on their watch either. A weak officer not having your back is not the main thing. Thats a thing, but not the main thing. They MAIN thing is a weak officer fucking up like this one did, in your presence, and you having to either vouch for him or throw him under the bus. Look at how Roy Oliver's partner testified a few years ago. Threw Roy Oliver right under the fucking bus at trial, when he could have just as easily said he was in fear for his life and thought the car was going to run him over. Nope. He made a business decision and Roy is in prison due in part to that. It's a self-cleansing profession to an extent. To the rest of the extent, it is a government office with bureaucratic shit, shitty bureaucrats, politics, and all the fleas that come with that No, you stand up to it WHILE IT IS HAPPENING. Put your hands on your coworkers and stop them from violating people's rights and overstepping the Constitution. If you stand by and watch the acts happen then you're just as guilty. I agree in this specific instance, he was very quick and out of place with the assault. However, immediately following his slam they SHOULD have jumped on his ass and said get the fuck off her! Then called for a more senior officer to come assess the situation and take him into custody. We all know they don't believe the laws apply to them though. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an idiot When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic. He needs gotten rid of. Quote HistoryQuoted: What an idiot When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic. He needs gotten rid of. He also said "Stop resisting" to an unconscious person. That phrase means less than "I can't breath" at this point. 
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was much younger and taking my FF1/2 and EMS tests we were taught to say the right thing when preforming a task even if we missed a step or 2. That way we could pass the exam even if we screw up. So maybe they are too? They are saying it for the camera so they can use it as evidence when they throw the resisting arrest charge on.
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's literally what happened when the Ft Worth PD murdered the lady in her own bedroom a few years back Negative Sir. Aaron Dean was a substandard officer, and had a rookie on his asscheek to boot. He fucked up clearing that backyard. He fucked up making the initial contact. He fucked up not getting dispatch to call the house. He fucked up not seeing the porch FULL of porch dwellers across the street. Thats was all on Aaron Dean. He was trained not to do all that shit FWPD didnt murder Atatiana Jefferson |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 6:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, hold on. Im NOT defending him..........BUT, he was detaining her and she tensed up and started resisting. She was not compliant. Verbally or physically. Now in the spectrum of "resisting", she was not going to get a gold medal in the resisting competition. And thats what needed to be taken into account. A few extra moments of giving her lawful orders, a few more gentle hands on from the fellow officers, and she would have been properly placed in cuffs. The argument that is was a lawful arrest, therefore a lawful order, is another argument. ALL I am saying is that sometimes you have to use your judgement and your verbal orders a few extra times depending on whether you are dealing with a 60 year old auditor with a iphone on a gimbal, or a 26 year old "valedictorian" with a ghost gun and warrants. When was he going to start giving lawful orders? |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now you see how your case law link fits so perfectly? Not dogging you, but her video showed the same, but at ground level. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What an idiot When he said "go to the other side of the street" I thought he was telling her to get to the other side of the street they were standing in, not picturing a parking lot with zero other traffic. He needs gotten rid of. Now you see how your case law link fits so perfectly? Not dogging you, but her video showed the same, but at ground level. The angle I missed entirely was behind them, I thought they were on the side of a street (meaning she was walking in an area open to traffic). Yeah, standing there, I don't see a reason to tell her to get back. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When was he going to start giving lawful orders? like i said, that is an argument for another thread The time to argue your case as to the lawfulness of the order is not when officers go hands on. You are going under arrest. Argue your case to the judge and get the officer in hot water if he fucked up. But dont get face planted and knocked out by the retort of the officer as you argue case law in a parking lot at 3 am |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative Sir. Aaron Dean was a substandard officer, and had a rookie on his asscheek to boot. He fucked up clearing that backyard. He fucked up making the initial contact. He fucked up not getting dispatch to call the house. He fucked up not seeing the porch FULL of porch dwellers across the street. Thats was all on Aaron Dean. He was trained not to do all that shit FWPD didnt murder Atatiana Jefferson Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's literally what happened when the Ft Worth PD murdered the lady in her own bedroom a few years back Negative Sir. Aaron Dean was a substandard officer, and had a rookie on his asscheek to boot. He fucked up clearing that backyard. He fucked up making the initial contact. He fucked up not getting dispatch to call the house. He fucked up not seeing the porch FULL of porch dwellers across the street. Thats was all on Aaron Dean. He was trained not to do all that shit FWPD didnt murder Atatiana Jefferson Excuse me, that's what Ft Worth PD Aaron Dean did while murdering Jefferson |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a lawyer but it's unclear how refusing to move to the other side of the street turns into resisting arrest, evading arrest, and false reporting. Quote HistoryQuoted: During the investigation, Carolyn Rodriguez approached the officers. In a statement, FWPD said an officer asked Rodriguez to move across the street, and when she did not, the officer forcefully arrested her. She was later released from the hospital, booked into jail, and charged with Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest and/or Detention, Evading Arrest and False Alarm or Report. Not a lawyer but it's unclear how refusing to move to the other side of the street turns into resisting arrest, evading arrest, and false reporting. Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The angle I missed entirely was behind them, I thought they were on the side of a street (meaning she was walking in an area open to traffic). Yeah, standing there, I don't see a reason to tell her to get back. He sat in his cruiser and watched her the entire time as the lady cops ignored her. No investigation was being interfered with He just reached his rev limiter and had to get it on Unfit for duty |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: like i said, that is an argument for another thread The time to argue your case as to the lawfulness of the order is not when officers go hands on. You are going under arrest. Argue your case to the judge and get the officer in hot water if he fucked up. But dont get face planted and knocked out by the retort of the officer as you argue case law in a parking lot at 3 am Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When was he going to start giving lawful orders? like i said, that is an argument for another thread The time to argue your case as to the lawfulness of the order is not when officers go hands on. You are going under arrest. Argue your case to the judge and get the officer in hot water if he fucked up. But dont get face planted and knocked out by the retort of the officer as you argue case law in a parking lot at 3 am It's an argument for this thread because it's what is being used to "not defend" the officer's actions. The officer started by violating her first amendment rights (which the other officers stood idly by as he did) then violated her 4th amendment rights (which the other officers assisted with). He should get prison time for his illegal assault and the other two can cool their heels for a couple months unpaid. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC. Police - stop fucking killing people. This shit is not difficult. Also, fuck your "commands " Your authority ended when you let lawlessness take over via the summer of love in 2020. You serve no purpose to us normal citizens now. You are only an instrument for the Democrats. Much like the other video on page 1 here- the problem is that the police give some citizen a command, then lose their shit when it isn't immediately followed perfectly. If you have to give a lawful command (especially to someone who was not involved), fucking tell them what's going on and don't just say something then lose your shit because your authority was questioned or ignored. The fucking public hates you. You have and continue to earn that hate. I mean....lawful commands/orders are still lawful commands/orders regardless of whether or not you ideologically agree with the sociopolitical interactions with the criminal justice system or not. You declaring that police have no authority over you doesn't really change anything. But I do like watching people tilt at windmills, so you do you. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:12:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. Which will keep him out of jail, but not keep him from losing his job. City will pay a bunch of money Her YouTube channel will gain sub however so theres that :) |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Filming the police should be a felony. The police have super hard jobs. Annoying 1st amendment frauditors.  I strongly disagree. The 1st amendment, like the 2nd, is a core tenant of our rights, and just because it's annoying doesn't mean it should be a felony. That being said, the courts have agreed that their right to film ends when their efforts to film interfere with them doing their jobs. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. 
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: During the investigation, Carolyn Rodriguez approached the officers. In a statement, FWPD said an officer asked Rodriguez to move across the street, and when she did not, the officer forcefully arrested her. She was later released from the hospital, booked into jail, and charged with Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest and/or Detention, Evading Arrest and False Alarm or Report. Not a lawyer but it's unclear how refusing to move to the other side of the street turns into resisting arrest, evading arrest, and false reporting. Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. Those time/place/manner restrictions have to be reasonable. She was in a public place and was not interfering with their parking enforcement or being a threat. I can't see how being told to move 50 feet away would be found reasonable. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, hold on. Im NOT defending him..........BUT, he was detaining her and she tensed up and started resisting. She was not compliant. Verbally or physically. Now in the spectrum of "resisting", she was not going to get a gold medal in the resisting competition. And thats what needed to be taken into account. A few extra moments of giving her lawful orders, a few more gentle hands on from the fellow officers, and she would have been properly placed in cuffs. The argument that is was a lawful arrest, therefore a lawful order, is another argument. ALL I am saying is that sometimes you have to use your judgement and your verbal orders a few extra times depending on whether you are dealing with a 60 year old auditor with a iphone on a gimbal, or a 26 year old "valedictorian" with a ghost gun and warrants. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She was actually talking to the one female cop when he assaulted her. Well, hold on. Im NOT defending him..........BUT, he was detaining her and she tensed up and started resisting. She was not compliant. Verbally or physically. Now in the spectrum of "resisting", she was not going to get a gold medal in the resisting competition. And thats what needed to be taken into account. A few extra moments of giving her lawful orders, a few more gentle hands on from the fellow officers, and she would have been properly placed in cuffs. The argument that is was a lawful arrest, therefore a lawful order, is another argument. ALL I am saying is that sometimes you have to use your judgement and your verbal orders a few extra times depending on whether you are dealing with a 60 year old auditor with a iphone on a gimbal, or a 26 year old "valedictorian" with a ghost gun and warrants. She was just fine doing what she was doing. He didn't have any justification to tell her to go anywhere, and certainly not to detain/arrest/assault her. Calling anything "resisting" when a cop has no authority to arrest in the first place is bullshit, and it's MUCH too common. It's hilarious that cops can say "we arrested them for resisting arrest" with a straight face. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's an argument for this thread because it's what is being used to "not defend" the officer's actions. The officer started by violating her first amendment rights (which the other officers stood idly by as he did) then violated her 4th amendment rights (which the other officers assisted with). He should get prison time for his illegal assault and the other two can cool their heels for a couple months unpaid. Happened too fast for the lady cops to be expected to have done much more than what they did. Bottom line is that once hands start flying, cuffs are going on. They can always come off later. But we're not going to have a fucking round table discussion about things while you are tensed up and saying "NO". If officer kickass had let them, the lady cops would have helped take her into custody and perhaps had the chance to discuss charging, and she might have been cut loose after a bit. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:18:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Happened too fast for the lady cops to be expected to have done much more than what they did. Bottom line is that once hands start flying, cuffs are going on. They can always come off later. But we're not going to have a fucking round table discussion about things while you are tensed up and saying "NO". If officer kickass had let them, the lady cops would have helped take her into custody and perhaps had the chance to discuss charging, and she might have been cut loose after a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's an argument for this thread because it's what is being used to "not defend" the officer's actions. The officer started by violating her first amendment rights (which the other officers stood idly by as he did) then violated her 4th amendment rights (which the other officers assisted with). He should get prison time for his illegal assault and the other two can cool their heels for a couple months unpaid. Happened too fast for the lady cops to be expected to have done much more than what they did. Bottom line is that once hands start flying, cuffs are going on. They can always come off later. But we're not going to have a fucking round table discussion about things while you are tensed up and saying "NO". If officer kickass had let them, the lady cops would have helped take her into custody and perhaps had the chance to discuss charging, and she might have been cut loose after a bit. When they put hands on her they became parties in the unconstitutional force being used on someone exercising her first amendment rights. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. You might want to read those 6 different appellate cases again. What your trying to manipulate doesn't remotely apply here. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:19:04 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point. A 1st Amendment auditor, of all people should know how truly deadly a mundane police interaction can be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This probably was not "right" by the PD, but seems to me if you are going to be one of these so called "auditors" you might want to be a person who is younger and in decent shape, because, sooner or later, you WILL be roughed up by somebody, PD or other Good point. A 1st Amendment auditor, of all people should know how truly deadly a mundane police interaction can be. You'd also think a 1st Amendment auditor would bother to learn what is and isn't covered under the 1st Amendment in these scenarios. But we all know the vast majority of auditors have zero interest in actually "auditing" anything, they want clicks and views to make money, and standing quietly across the filming the police for accountability purposes doesn't get clicks and views. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:21:23 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She was just fine doing what she was doing. He didn't have any justification to tell her to go anywhere, and certainly not to detain/arrest/assault her. Calling anything "resisting" when a cop has no authority to arrest in the first place is bullshit, and it's MUCH too common. It's hilarious that cops can say "we arrested them for resisting arrest" with a straight face. I hear you. Like I said, not saying he had a leg to stand on to give her orders. However once he went hands on, she needed to fucking comply. Otherwise we're going to just need to start throwing copies of The Constitution and Bill of Rights at each other in our drawstroke and shoot each other to death as the manner to champion our cause in that moment. Once you hear "You're under arrest." Your mouth needs to close and you need to do what the officer tells you the fuck to do. He's going win that battle. You need to be focused on winning the war, which she would have, and still will. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:21:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which will keep him out of jail, but not keep him from losing his job. City will pay a bunch of money Her YouTube channel will gain sub however so theres that :) I’m not so sure he’s going to get away with this without a mug shot and charges. But yeah, agree he won’t go to jail. Which is a good thing because my local Dollar General needs a big strapping boy like him to work out his aggression stocking those shelves. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:21:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: like i said, that is an argument for another thread The time to argue your case as to the lawfulness of the order is not when officers go hands on. You are going under arrest. Argue your case to the judge and get the officer in hot water if he fucked up. But dont get face planted and knocked out by the retort of the officer as you argue case law in a parking lot at 3 am Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When was he going to start giving lawful orders? like i said, that is an argument for another thread The time to argue your case as to the lawfulness of the order is not when officers go hands on. You are going under arrest. Argue your case to the judge and get the officer in hot water if he fucked up. But dont get face planted and knocked out by the retort of the officer as you argue case law in a parking lot at 3 am I 100% disagree. Just let them violate your rights, assault you, and kidnap you. Then maybe later they'll admit you didn't do wrong after you've spent thousands defending g yourself, lost your job, been in jail, etc. No. Fuck no. It's my right and duty as a free American, and as to the oath I swore to defend the Constitution, to resist and attack tyranny. We can have a gun fight if that's what you want, but I'm not going to allow you to subjugate me. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:23:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When they put hands on her they became parties in the unconstitutional force being used on someone exercising her first amendment rights. Technically you are correct. But thats not how shit really happens. Look....are you saying that as he said you're under arrest and went hands on, the lady cops whould have gone hands on with officer asshole? As he slung the annoying bitch to the ground, the lady cops should have tazed him? Thats great to think like that, but thats not realistic to expect from that setting |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:23:48 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear you. Like I said, not saying he had a leg to stand on to give her orders. However once he went hands on, she needed to fucking comply. Otherwise we're going to just need to start throwing copies of The Constitution and Bill of Rights at each other in our drawstroke and shoot each other to death as the manner to champion our cause in that moment. Once you hear "You're under arrest." Your mouth needs to close and you need to do what the officer tells you the fuck to do. He's going win that battle. You need to be focused on winning the war, which she would have, and still will. I am totally down with that....if those officers start getting criminal charges for kidnapping when they violate a citizen's rights. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:23:48 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats fucking hilarious dude. I had an instructor with a blue gun act out a scenario where he had someone at gunpoint and said "Drop..BAM...the gun." Like, finish your sentence regardless. The way the brain works, he explained, that the witnesses would not be able to recall from memory if you said anything after the gunfire. That actually, the brain would re-order the events FOR them to remember that you said "Drop the gun" THEN you discharged your weapon... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When I was much younger and taking my FF1/2 and EMS tests we were taught to say the right thing when preforming a task even if we missed a step or 2. That way we could pass the exam even if we screw up. So maybe they are too? Thats fucking hilarious dude. I had an instructor with a blue gun act out a scenario where he had someone at gunpoint and said "Drop..BAM...the gun." Like, finish your sentence regardless. The way the brain works, he explained, that the witnesses would not be able to recall from memory if you said anything after the gunfire. That actually, the brain would re-order the events FOR them to remember that you said "Drop the gun" THEN you discharged your weapon... |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:24:20 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd also think a 1st Amendment auditor would bother to learn what is and isn't covered under the 1st Amendment in these scenarios. But we all know the vast majority of auditors have zero interest in actually "auditing" anything, they want clicks and views to make money, and standing quietly across the filming the police for accountability purposes doesn't get clicks and views. The future Dollar General stock boy sure as fuck gave her the clicks she seeks. Good job all the way around. I guess. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:24:24 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: During the investigation, Carolyn Rodriguez approached the officers. In a statement, FWPD said an officer asked Rodriguez to move across the street, and when she did not, the officer forcefully arrested her. She was later released from the hospital, booked into jail, and charged with Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest and/or Detention, Evading Arrest and False Alarm or Report. Not a lawyer but it's unclear how refusing to move to the other side of the street turns into resisting arrest, evading arrest, and false reporting. Because like 6 different federal district appellate courts have established precedent that Time/Place/Manner restrictions on 1st Amendment Auditors (and videoing the police in general) are legal and constitutional. That means telling her to move across the street was a lawful order, failure to obey a lawful order is an arrestable offense, resisting that attempt to arrest is resisting arrest which caused interference with their investigation, combined with any attempt by her to move away or flee all combines up to probable cause for arrest and charges of Interference with Public Duties, Resisting Arrest, and Evading Arrest. That's nice, and they're full of shit. Stop accepting rights violations. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:25:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically you are correct. But thats not how shit really happens. Look....are you saying that as he said you're under arrest and went hands on, the lady cops whould have gone hands on with officer asshole? As he slung the annoying bitch to the ground, the lady cops should have tazed him? Thats great to think like that, but thats not realistic to expect from that setting Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When they put hands on her they became parties in the unconstitutional force being used on someone exercising her first amendment rights. Technically you are correct. But thats not how shit really happens. Look....are you saying that as he said you're under arrest and went hands on, the lady cops whould have gone hands on with officer asshole? As he slung the annoying bitch to the ground, the lady cops should have tazed him? Thats great to think like that, but thats not realistic to expect from that setting I understand that's now how it really happens, because cops will cover each other and at best will make one officer a scapegoat. But yes, if a cop is illegally using force on a citizen then they should use the necessary force to stop that assault in progress. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 7:26:38 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She didn't try to carry on a conversation, she immediately started arguing. Kreuger didn't try to carry on a conversation, he intermediately started threatening. And some people want us to believe she's trying to start something, not him. Skip to 18:45 in the video:  RUTHLESS Police Officer Sends Woman To The Emergency Room For Recording Him! |
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