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I was very interested in these rifles when they first came out, that interest cooled, but now I'm coming back around. The color options and revised safety help, as does Steyr ruining the AUG.
One of the things I'm trying to wrap my head around is optics. With the raised rail, my first thought is that I'd want a very low optic. I know all the initial reviewers got copies of these with NF LVPOs, and some guys are using AR height stuff, but I'm not sure how good the cheek weld is with some of the configurations I'm seeing. My second thought is, I think I'd prefer an ACOG of some flavor on one of these, but I don't know which direction I'd go. The characteristics of the TA-33 seem good, but I've never handled one, and it's AR height. The TA-50 is the only real magnified ACOG available in a low mount, but there's basically zero information out there about these. I do have a spare Aimpoint PRO and a LT low mount if I wanted to go that route, but I like the idea of something magnified. How many of you have gone through trial and error with optics on these, and how many of you love your current configuration? |
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"I haven't met one burnt end or rib that I haven't liked." -Andy Reid
"Sporterizing: The art of spending $700 on a $300 gun to make it worth $200." -GTwannabe |
Originally Posted By Scrapple: https://i.ibb.co/yWmf4mj/20220502-154631.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Lz64yDS/20220502-154705.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KmwgRsp/20230909-114545.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Db76V2B/20231116-145556.jpg https://i.ibb.co/tZ1KYTg/20240428-161612.jpg Well, I've done all of that, and he's my take: Started with the TA50 ACOG, high version, with a high Bobro mount, and it was perfect. Cowitnessed with iron sights through the scope channel, and that was super cool. I liked the scope so much that I needed to move it to one of my other favorite rifles, so then I needed a new optic for the VHS2. I tried the TA11 ACOG. I liked that the enhanced magnification and FOV made for better longer range use, as this rifle is super accurate. But then, I realized that one of my AR10s needed an optic, and the TA11 was needed for that. Next was the low mounted red dot plus EoTech magnifier in a low Arisaka mount. That was cool, but also I just didn't like it. Too low, not very good clarity, just wasn't for me. Then I was doing some scope jockeying, and realized that my PLXC didn't have a home. I tried it on this rifle in a standard AR height mount and liked it, but wanted a lower mount. Got the ADM Recon low mount (1.15" centerline) and it was perfect. I'm very happy with this setup now. On this rifle, I like the TA50 ACOG and the PLXC both very much, but in different ways. Both are good options, depending on your objectives. But if you like the idea of an ACOG, the TA50 is really excellent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Scrapple: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I was very interested in these rifles when they first came out, that interest cooled, but now I'm coming back around. The color options and revised safety help, as does Steyr ruining the AUG. One of the things I'm trying to wrap my head around is optics. With the raised rail, my first thought is that I'd want a very low optic. I know all the initial reviewers got copies of these with NF LVPOs, and some guys are using AR height stuff, but I'm not sure how good the cheek weld is with some of the configurations I'm seeing. My second thought is, I think I'd prefer an ACOG of some flavor on one of these, but I don't know which direction I'd go. The characteristics of the TA-33 seem good, but I've never handled one, and it's AR height. The TA-50 is the only real magnified ACOG available in a low mount, but there's basically zero information out there about these. I do have a spare Aimpoint PRO and a LT low mount if I wanted to go that route, but I like the idea of something magnified. How many of you have gone through trial and error with optics on these, and how many of you love your current configuration? https://i.ibb.co/yWmf4mj/20220502-154631.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Lz64yDS/20220502-154705.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KmwgRsp/20230909-114545.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Db76V2B/20231116-145556.jpg https://i.ibb.co/tZ1KYTg/20240428-161612.jpg Well, I've done all of that, and he's my take: Started with the TA50 ACOG, high version, with a high Bobro mount, and it was perfect. Cowitnessed with iron sights through the scope channel, and that was super cool. I liked the scope so much that I needed to move it to one of my other favorite rifles, so then I needed a new optic for the VHS2. I tried the TA11 ACOG. I liked that the enhanced magnification and FOV made for better longer range use, as this rifle is super accurate. But then, I realized that one of my AR10s needed an optic, and the TA11 was needed for that. Next was the low mounted red dot plus EoTech magnifier in a low Arisaka mount. That was cool, but also I just didn't like it. Too low, not very good clarity, just wasn't for me. Then I was doing some scope jockeying, and realized that my PLXC didn't have a home. I tried it on this rifle in a standard AR height mount and liked it, but wanted a lower mount. Got the ADM Recon low mount (1.15" centerline) and it was perfect. I'm very happy with this setup now. On this rifle, I like the TA50 ACOG and the PLXC both very much, but in different ways. Both are good options, depending on your objectives. But if you like the idea of an ACOG, the TA50 is really excellent. I'm actually somewhat shocked there's someone here that's tried a TA50 on the VHS. That Bobro mount looks super tall on that rifle. You didn't find it too high? And about the TA50 itself, what do you think about the eye box and the FOV? Is the eye box more forgiving than a TA31? |
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"I haven't met one burnt end or rib that I haven't liked." -Andy Reid
"Sporterizing: The art of spending $700 on a $300 gun to make it worth $200." -GTwannabe |
Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I'm actually somewhat shocked there's someone here that's tried a TA50 on the VHS. That Bobro mount looks super tall on that rifle. You didn't find it too high? And about the TA50 itself, what do you think about the eye box and the FOV? Is the eye box more forgiving than a TA31? View Quote Surprisingly, it did not feel all that high. I never found that it was uncomfortably high, but part of that is because the TA50 is quite forgiving with regards to the eye box. With the PLXC, I did not really like it in standard AR height, which was even lower than the TA50 was, but I do like the PLXC in the low mount. The TA50 is like a mini TA31. Slightly better eye relief, but overall it has a similar feel. |
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I'm really interested in one. It also helps it's the ONLY bullpup I can get in this shithole state. Anyone know if barrels in .300 BO are available, or if SA will start making that an option?
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Originally Posted By vectorsc: I wanted to return to the thread and just give an update on my VHS-2 Round count - 2400 Jams - no Can: HXWRX 556 flow I had never cleaned the bore and accuracy just finally went from sub-moa to 2+ moa. Cleaning it now and going to the range. https://i.postimg.cc/MGxzyK0z/image-cropper-6-B365-C83-7078-4779-B835-5-E9-DC0-A42901-4850-0000083-D2-C05491-B.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Bvg4N9NH/image-cropper-D4479-A8-C-81-AF-44-E3-992-D-8-B02-F1185-B33-4850-0000084580625-C5-F.jpg View Quote Very positive results. Thanks for the range report. |
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"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
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Originally Posted By vectorsc: I wanted to return to the thread and just give an update on my VHS-2 Round count - 2400 Jams - no Can: HXWRX 556 flow I had never cleaned the bore and accuracy just finally went from sub-moa to 2+ moa. Cleaning it now and going to the range. https://i.postimg.cc/MGxzyK0z/image-cropper-6-B365-C83-7078-4779-B835-5-E9-DC0-A42901-4850-0000083-D2-C05491-B.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Bvg4N9NH/image-cropper-D4479-A8-C-81-AF-44-E3-992-D-8-B02-F1185-B33-4850-0000084580625-C5-F.jpg View Quote How is the bore holding up ? |
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Amazingly. No heat checking or anything. And its one of the best rifle bores I've seen - easly on par with a Criterion or a Bartlein in surface finish.
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I don’t own any bullpups but I’ve always wanted a FAMAS.
This rifle is probably way better and it kind of looks like one. I’m also a left handed shooter so left side eject is nice. Way less gas to the face than a suppressed AR15 I would guess. Did someone say something about a safety selector revision? If so how do I make sure I get that one from the factory? About to read into this thing more. Eta: looks like this is the one to get? The picture shows the updated safety selector. https://www.kygunco.com/product/springfield-armory-hl916556f-hellion-bullpup-5.56-nato-16-30rd-fde?utm_source=gun.deals&utm_medium=Product%20Feed&avad=211021_a3a342845 Are spare parts easy to find for these? I hear thats a issue with the tavor. What barrel vise block should I get if I want to install a surefire suppressor adapter? |
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Originally Posted By FloridaMan11b: I don’t own any bullpups but I’ve always wanted a FAMAS. This rifle is probably way better and it kind of looks like one. I’m also a left handed shooter so left side eject is nice. Way less gas to the face than a suppressed AR15 I would guess. Definitely. Did someone say something about a safety selector revision? If so how do I make sure I get that one from the factory? About to read into this thing more. Eta: looks like this is the one to get? The picture shows the updated safety selector. https://www.kygunco.com/product/springfield-armory-hl916556f-hellion-bullpup-5.56-nato-16-30rd-fde?utm_source=gun.deals&utm_medium=Product%20Feed&avad=211021_a3a342845 Are spare parts easy to find for these? I hear thats a issue with the tavor. There are no spare parts available for sale at all. What barrel vise block should I get if I want to install a surefire suppressor adapter? I put the gas block in a vise with soft jaws. View Quote |
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"The two things men never get to old to play with, electric trains and boobies." - substandard
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain |
It may be silly. But the only real hurdle that stops me from going all in on the Hellion (I do own one). Like being my "go to". Is the lack of any spare parts. I've been know to have mutiples. But I won't buy one just to use it for scrap parts.
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That's gonna b a problem for alot if rifles (especially new ones) outside the Ar15
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Originally Posted By Jack_Flag: It may be silly. But the only real hurdle that stops me from going all in on the Hellion (I do own one). Like being my "go to". Is the lack of any spare parts. I've been know to have mutiples. But I won't buy one just to use it for scrap parts. View Quote I cant justify buying it at all because of the lack of spare parts. I want to but my money would be better spent elsewhere for now. In due time SA will do the right thing hopefully.. until then, “FSA” lol.. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Flag: It may be silly. But the only real hurdle that stops me from going all in on the Hellion (I do own one). Like being my "go to". Is the lack of any spare parts. I've been know to have mutiples. But I won't buy one just to use it for scrap parts. View Quote I will admit that the availability of spare parts for the X95 was a factor in my decision as to which bullpup to purchase. |
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Eternity is coming for us all. It cannot be denied, debated or avoided.
We would do well to ponder how we're going to spend that eternity, because eternity is a long time to be wrong. |
Really considering a Hellion purchase after I get back from this deployment (over a Mk12) due to the accuracy potential and general novelty - is the 20" really less mechanically accurate? I've seen varying results.
Furthermore - if the 20" is less accurate due to barrel whip/attachments: would the 18" be the happy midpoint? |
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Springfield, are you listening?
If you make a Chrome-lined barrel Hellion I will buy one. |
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"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
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"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
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Originally Posted By _DR: Everything I own is chrome lined, Aks, FALs, ARs, it's kind of a requirement with me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Scrapple: Why? The standard version seems perfectly adequate. Everything I own is chrome lined, Aks, FALs, ARs, it's kind of a requirement with me. Ditto. If I'm going to spend that much on a military-grade rifle, I want the CL (and preferably CHF as well). |
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Eternity is coming for us all. It cannot be denied, debated or avoided.
We would do well to ponder how we're going to spend that eternity, because eternity is a long time to be wrong. |
I have two that are sub-moa as well. Very good rifle.
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I'm trying to build a "precision" AR15 but this really has me thinking I should just get a 20" OD Green Hellion for that role.
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"The two things men never get to old to play with, electric trains and boobies." - substandard
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain |
Originally Posted By vectorsc: I have two that are sub-moa as well. Very good rifle. View Quote I am fairly certain I can do that with my Rdb and now that I have a rear bag (used to shooting without then) that and a couple other bullpups I own may also have submoa 10 shot groups..Ill keep yall informed. |
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Just scored one w/ the updated safety and all accessories for well below MSRP. Here's to hoping for a trigger pack.
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Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: https://i.imgur.com/yHxIoVM.jpg Playing around with my Hellion today (10 shot group) Tried the 77gr AAC OTM..Then the ADI 69 Sierra Match King... Color me shocked when I sent the Adi 55gr Blitzking down range. Rifle is a 16" Hellion Shot from a bench with a rear bag (learned I needed this when trying the 1moa challenge and blowing it for my RDB) 1-6 LPVO Modified (Bill Springfield TriggerPack Job) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: https://i.imgur.com/yHxIoVM.jpg Playing around with my Hellion today (10 shot group) Tried the 77gr AAC OTM..Then the ADI 69 Sierra Match King... Color me shocked when I sent the Adi 55gr Blitzking down range. Rifle is a 16" Hellion Shot from a bench with a rear bag (learned I needed this when trying the 1moa challenge and blowing it for my RDB) 1-6 LPVO Modified (Bill Springfield TriggerPack Job) Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: https://i.imgur.com/yHxIoVM.jpg Playing around with my Hellion today (10 shot group) Tried the 77gr AAC OTM..Then the ADI 69 Sierra Match King... Color me shocked when I sent the Adi 55gr Blitzking down range. Rifle is a 16" Hellion Shot from a bench with a rear bag (learned I needed this when trying the 1moa challenge and blowing it for my RDB) 1-6 LPVO Modified (Bill Springfield TriggerPack Job) Never thought about a rear bag. Makes sense though. |
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"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
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Originally Posted By BSJ: I hope as well. As of 5/30 'they' were redesigning the housing. Fingers crossed I will get something to test soon... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BSJ: Originally Posted By sixrocket: Here's to hoping for a trigger pack. I hope as well. As of 5/30 'they' were redesigning the housing. Fingers crossed I will get something to test soon... Who is "they?" Springfield/HS Produkt? |
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"I haven't met one burnt end or rib that I haven't liked." -Andy Reid
"Sporterizing: The art of spending $700 on a $300 gun to make it worth $200." -GTwannabe |
Originally Posted By Karter14171: Understood. I'm looking forward to it! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Karter14171: Originally Posted By BSJ: Not yet. Understood. I'm looking forward to it! Good news! JARD is shipping the trigger for me to test. Apparently it's a one for one swap of the complete trigger pack. The housing is billet aluminum. I haven't seen any pictures or anything yet. Very curious to see what they've come up with.... Also very much hoping it works well, right off! |
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Originally Posted By BSJ: Good news! JARD is shipping the trigger for me to test. Apparently it's a one for one swap of the complete trigger pack. The housing is billet aluminum. I haven't seen any pictures or anything yet. Very curious to see what they've come up with.... Also very much hoping it works well, right off! View Quote That sounds exactly like what I'm after - just a plug and play solution. Please keep us updated and let us know how it runs and feels! |
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Originally Posted By BSJ: Good news! JARD is shipping the trigger for me to test. Apparently it's a one for one swap of the complete trigger pack. The housing is billet aluminum. I haven't seen any pictures or anything yet. Very curious to see what they've come up with.... Also very much hoping it works well, right off! View Quote Lucky.. |
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Tell JARD to send me one, too.
Also, does anyone know have a Manticore buttpad that they don't want? |
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I'd buy that for a dollar!
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Sent my two trigger packs to Bill Springfield. It was about a two week turnaround.
The triggers are very much improved. Much lighter; still a bit of travel, but a far nicer two stage trigger. Well worth the $75 with return shipping. Www.triggerwork.net |
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Some will die in hot pursuit in fiery auto crashes.
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes. Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain, that's pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain. |
Haven't recieved the JARD trigger pack yet, but this is what I get...
OEM Trigger weight |
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Originally Posted By BSJ: Haven't recieved the JARD trigger pack yet, but this is what I get... OEM Trigger weight View Quote I dont wanna sign up..or download What's your Oem trigger weight. Mine was 8.5lbs at best |
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Bummer. Version 1.0 is a no-go. Too much friction in the wrong places, in relation to the reciver fit...
Probably going to have to send them the whole rifle now, rather than just the trigger pack. On the bright side, the JARD version looks to be very well made. Actuating the little nub that engages the transfer bar, with my thumb, is MUCH easier than the one on the OEM pack. Bodes well for the final product... |
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Originally Posted By BSJ: Bummer. Version 1.0 is a no-go. Too much friction in the wrong places, in relation to the reciver fit... Probably going to have to send them the whole rifle now, rather than just the trigger pack. On the bright side, the JARD version looks to be very well made. Actuating the little nub that engages the transfer bar, with my thumb, is MUCH easier than the one on the OEM pack. Bodes well for the final product... View Quote Too bad I didn't get to play with it, using my BillSpringfield modified trigger pack for comparison. |
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Any word on 20" guns being available in ODG or FDE?
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I picked up a 20" yesterday. Pretty excited to get it to the range this weekend
Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr Untitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr |
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Originally Posted By FriskyDillo: I picked up a 20" yesterday. Pretty excited to get it to the range this weekend https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936309142_9de9343452_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936308952_5de9154758_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr View Quote You need a dummy rifle grenade and some blanks! Sven Manticore Arms |
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Advanced Fighting Gear for the AR, AK, AUG, Tavor, and Scorpion EVO! www.manticorearms.com
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: You need a dummy rifle grenade and some blanks! Sven Manticore Arms View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Originally Posted By FriskyDillo: I picked up a 20" yesterday. Pretty excited to get it to the range this weekend https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936309142_9de9343452_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53936308952_5de9154758_b.jpgUntitled by Frisky Dillo, on Flickr You need a dummy rifle grenade and some blanks! Sven Manticore Arms Oh yeah! I also need somebody to make a bayonet that is keymo compatible |
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