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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:28:18 AM EDT
Thought I’d see what everyone’s preference was for 10mm carry ammo. Social setting not the Alaskan bush. Currently have a couple boxes of each: 155gr barnes double tap, Factory XTP 180gr and 155, 200gr HST/punch and a couple hundred rounds of critical duty. Want to consolidate on one to stock up more of then duplicate a lead bullet loading to train with. Any and all recommendations are welcome. As of now I’ve been carrying critical duty. Mostly because I have the most of it.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:52:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: intheburbs]
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I haven't played much with 10mm recently, but Doubletap was always my preferred. Georgia Arms' canned heat for decent and spicy range ammo. Buffalo Bore was my backup. Lots of folks like Underwood nowadays, too.
For my woods carry gun, I've always stuck with Double Tap because they're the only ones who offer a 230-grain hardcast bullet in 10mm. Makes my G20 kinda heavy, but I never felt undergunned carrying 15+1 of those bad boys. Click here DT 230-gr ETA: For regular carry, I'd probably go with something like THIS But I'm too much of a girly-man to carry a 20/29 as my EDC. Woods gun? Absofuckinglutely. Normal/EDC? I'm going with my 9mm pistol. Muzzle blast from the spicy stuff is on the stout side, especially out of a 29. I really wouldn't want to fire that thing without hearing protection, especially indoors (shopping mall, supermarket, etc). One upside, I guess, is if you miss, you still flashbanged everyone in the vicinity.  |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: I haven't played much with 10mm recently, but Doubletap was always my preferred. Georgia Arms' canned heat for decent and spicy range ammo. Buffalo Bore was my backup. Lots of folks like Underwood nowadays, too. For my woods carry gun, I've always stuck with Double Tap because they're the only ones who offer a 230-grain hardcast bullet in 10mm. Makes my G20 kinda heavy, but I never felt undergunned carrying 15+1 of those bad boys. Click here DT 230-gr ETA: For regular carry, I'd probably go with something like THIS But I'm too much of a girly-man to carry a 20/29 as my EDC. Woods gun? Absofuckinglutely. Normal/EDC? I'm going with my 9mm pistol. Muzzle blast from the spicy stuff is on the stout side, especially out of a 29. I really wouldn't want to fire that thing without hearing protection, especially indoors (shopping mall, supermarket, etc). I’m personally not a fan of underwood though I do like Buffalo Bore. I carried a G29 for awhile made for a nice carry gun have a 20 in the safe but now that I’ve got a delta I find carrying 10mm more and more. I’ll check out the double tap also, the loading I have is there 155gr barnes at something like 1400fps |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:32:49 AM EDT
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I like 180 DoubleTap or Underwood and if I can find it Winchester 175 Silvertips. I plan to try some of the AAC 180 with XTP bullets.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:52:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: I like 180 DoubleTap or Underwood and if I can find it Winchester 175 Silvertips. I plan to try some of the AAC 180 with XTP bullets. I’ve been looking at silvertips looks like a fairly respectable loading |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:15:38 AM EDT
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1911 full size single stack.
Personal protection. Underwood 200gr eXtreme terminal performance. 1250 fps Range Whatever I can find. Currently Freedom Munitions 180gr flat nose. And their 200gr Xdef @1100fps around the farm to dispatch critters. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:29:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: I’m personally not a fan of underwood though I do like Buffalo Bore. I carried a G29 for awhile made for a nice carry gun have a 20 in the safe but now that I’ve got a delta I find carrying 10mm more and more. I’ll check out the double tap also, the loading I have is there 155gr barnes at something like 1400fps Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:32:04 AM EDT
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The Grizzly Cartridge 200 grainers are FEARSOME as are the Double Tap 180s. The 200gr that I tried from DT was really under powered
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Posted: 5/9/2024 6:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I’m personally not a fan of underwood though I do like Buffalo Bore. I carried a G29 for awhile made for a nice carry gun have a 20 in the safe but now that I’ve got a delta I find carrying 10mm more and more. I’ll check out the double tap also, the loading I have is there 155gr barnes at something like 1400fps Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. Yes a lot aren’t tailored to those speeds. Which is partially why I believe things like the HST/CD work well they don’t have the speed but they are engineering the bullet to perform at what they’re giving it. I’d like to see both at the old norma speeds 1200 for a 200gr HST and 1300 for the 175 CD |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:44:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wvfarrier: The Grizzly Cartridge 200 grainers are FEARSOME as are the Double Tap 180s. The 200gr that I tried from DT was really under powered Yep, for "heavy & fast" in 10mm, the Grizz Cartridge guys make good loads. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:47:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Yes a lot aren’t tailored to those speeds. Which is partially why I believe things like the HST/CD work well they don’t have the speed but they are engineering the bullet to perform at what they’re giving it. I’d like to see both at the old norma speeds 1200 for a 200gr HST and 1300 for the 175 CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By intheburbs: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I’m personally not a fan of underwood though I do like Buffalo Bore. I carried a G29 for awhile made for a nice carry gun have a 20 in the safe but now that I’ve got a delta I find carrying 10mm more and more. I’ll check out the double tap also, the loading I have is there 155gr barnes at something like 1400fps Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. Yes a lot aren’t tailored to those speeds. Which is partially why I believe things like the HST/CD work well they don’t have the speed but they are engineering the bullet to perform at what they’re giving it. I’d like to see both at the old norma speeds 1200 for a 200gr HST and 1300 for the 175 CD Federal's 10mm HST load is 'box-flap' rated at 1130fps m.v. (assuming that's from a 5" test barrel). For Federal, that's actually an increase in velocity from the old FBI-Lite days of 1050fps for a 200grn JHP. Some of Federal's other 200grn 10mm ammo is hotter than that, @1200fps, but those loads appear to be directed to "woods" and hunting applications. Check out Midway for the reviews. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Federal's 10mm HST load is 'box-flap' rated at 1130fps m.v. (assuming that's from a 5" test barrel). For Federal, that's actually an increase in velocity from the old FBI-Lite days of 1050fps for a 200grn JHP. Some of Federal's other 200grn 10mm ammo is hotter than that, @1200fps, but those loads appear to be directed to "woods" and hunting applications. Check out Midway for the reviews. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By intheburbs: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I’m personally not a fan of underwood though I do like Buffalo Bore. I carried a G29 for awhile made for a nice carry gun have a 20 in the safe but now that I’ve got a delta I find carrying 10mm more and more. I’ll check out the double tap also, the loading I have is there 155gr barnes at something like 1400fps Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. Yes a lot aren’t tailored to those speeds. Which is partially why I believe things like the HST/CD work well they don’t have the speed but they are engineering the bullet to perform at what they’re giving it. I’d like to see both at the old norma speeds 1200 for a 200gr HST and 1300 for the 175 CD Federal's 10mm HST load is 'box-flap' rated at 1130fps m.v. (assuming that's from a 5" test barrel). For Federal, that's actually an increase in velocity from the old FBI-Lite days of 1050fps for a 200grn JHP. Some of Federal's other 200grn 10mm ammo is hotter than that, @1200fps, but those loads appear to be directed to "woods" and hunting applications. Check out Midway for the reviews. Suppose I need to go hit the range with the chrono and see what I get |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:26:39 PM EDT
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Winchester Defender.
It's a pretty stout load and the name is a plus if ever needed for self defense. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:09:35 AM EDT
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200gr HST and 115gr Underwood loaded Lehigh XD.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:48:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Winchester Defender. It's a pretty stout load and the name is a plus if ever needed for self defense. Looks like a reasonable choice performance numbers wise. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:44:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rheinmetall792]
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Win PDX1 (now Defender) 180 gr @ 1240 fps does it.
Also Hornady 180 XTP @ 1275 fps. Basically 180 gr at 12xx fps is the prime combo of performance/POI vs recoil to me. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 7:52:36 AM EDT
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Federal 180Gn VHP
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USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:11:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rheinmetall792: Win PDX1 (now Defender) 180 gr @ 1240 fps does it. Also Hornady 180 XTP @ 1275 fps. Basically 180 gr at 12xx fps is the prime combo of performance/POI vs recoil to me. Agree with this as to the 180grn bullet weight. While my carry preference is for the 200grn weight in a JHP, I wouldn’t hesitate to load up with Hornady’s 180grn XTP @ 1275fps. I’ve run through several boxes of it. It’s very accurate and controllable. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 4:08:17 PM EDT
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200 Grain Gold Dot. Blue Dot Powder. Winchester Large Pistol Primer.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:25:50 PM EDT
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The biggest issue with these factory loadings is that the mfg rarely. RARELY matches the real world FPS with what they claim on the box. Most are just 40s&w
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:28:46 PM EDT
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For carry ammo I'd only go Buffalo Bore or Underwood. Id personally use Underwood.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 1:47:40 PM EDT
[#21]
165 grain gold dots
10.0 grains of Longshot |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2024 2:40:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I’m personally not a fan of underwood though I do like Buffalo Bore. I carried a G29 for awhile made for a nice carry gun have a 20 in the safe but now that I’ve got a delta I find carrying 10mm more and more. I’ll check out the double tap also, the loading I have is there 155gr barnes at something like 1400fps Just be aware that some of the boutique loadings might be driving the bullet too fast for proper expansion/penetration. Again, it's been a while, but I remember seeing Youtube videos showing that some of the lighter 10mm bullets, 150 and lighter, when driven too fast were fragmenting on impact instead of expanding and penetrating. I have a 135-grain loading from Doubletap, and it claims 1600 fps out of a G20 for 767 ft-lbs of energy. I don't use that as carry ammo, I just love the snap and the blast it makes. It usually attracts spectators at the range who don't expect such noises from a Glock. Yup. Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. Someone tested loading those bullets to full bore 10mm spec. Petals either folded back, or broke off in gel testing. Underwood’s 155gr XTP has nice results in gelatin. The XTP bullet normally doesn’t expand as well as newer SD bullets, but that’s at lower velocities. When pushed at full bore 10mm velocities, it actually expands quite well, AND holds together. As mentioned, 200gr Hardcast for penetration in large furries. Seems to be fewer issues with reliability, than 220gr. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 2:16:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 2:36:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karl_Withakay: The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karl_Withakay: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 4:31:05 AM EDT
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I’d keep in mind that though most factory loads are far closer to .40 power that may not be a bad thing
A good self defense cartridge will expand to an appropriate size and penetrate to a sufficient depth. Beyond that any wasted energy is just that and the negative will be higher recoil and slower follow up shots. This will also speak to the weight of the platform used and your abilities to control said recoil. I’m not one to say .380 and .45acp do the same thing. Physics has laws. But taking a bullet (HST or Gold Dot) that performs well and driving it faster and faster is not usually productive. Pistol bullet speeds are significantly different than rifles. More velocity can cause quicker expansion and less than optimal penetration. 10mm is a great cartridge because it’s flexible. Heavy recoiling hunting loads and optimized self defense loads in the same platform. Shot placement is by far the most important (and difficult) part of any self defense shooting. I’ve seen hundreds of people shot and been involved in a couple OIS over 30 years in big city law enforcement. I’ve been surprised several times on what worked and what didn’t as well. Rifles and shotguns work the best… period. 9mm FMJ is probably the most common projectile used with a wide array of results. I recommend people buy a gun and caliber combo they like and shoot well then practice constantly. Self defense is more about situational awareness but if it comes to a fight…. It’s far more about the Indian than the arrow |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 9:06:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MONGO45: I’d keep in mind that though most factory loads are far closer to .40 power that may not be a bad thing A good self defense cartridge will expand to an appropriate size and penetrate to a sufficient depth. Beyond that any wasted energy is just that and the negative will be higher recoil and slower follow up shots. This will also speak to the weight of the platform used and your abilities to control said recoil. I’m not one to say .380 and .45acp do the same thing. Physics has laws. But taking a bullet (HST or Gold Dot) that performs well and driving it faster and faster is not usually productive. Pistol bullet speeds are significantly different than rifles. More velocity can cause quicker expansion and less than optimal penetration. 10mm is a great cartridge because it’s flexible. Heavy recoiling hunting loads and optimized self defense loads in the same platform. Shot placement is by far the most important (and difficult) part of any self defense shooting. I’ve seen hundreds of people shot and been involved in a couple OIS over 30 years in big city law enforcement. I’ve been surprised several times on what worked and what didn’t as well. Rifles and shotguns work the best… period. 9mm FMJ is probably the most common projectile used with a wide array of results. I recommend people buy a gun and caliber combo they like and shoot well then practice constantly. Self defense is more about situational awareness but if it comes to a fight…. It’s far more about the Indian than the arrow My observations would be similar to yours on a thankfully far smaller scale. Shot placement is king period. Ive seen some things work and others work better. I’ve also seen some that as a result of shot placement not work even though there considered good performers. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 4:32:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: The biggest issue with these factory loadings is that the mfg rarely. RARELY matches the real world FPS with what they claim on the box. Most are just 40s&w Not Hornady’s “upgraded” 180grn XTP ammo, that’s a legit 1275fps or even a bit hotter. We got that velocity as chrono-ed thru my 5” Sig P220 and slightly faster thru a buddy’s Colt Delta with a fitted Bar-Sto barrel. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 4:42:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By Karl_Withakay: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. Actually, Federal did make a dedicated 10mm bonded 190grn JHP ammo for the FBI that was pre-.40 S&W. It was only loaded to 1050fps from a 4.25” S&W model 1076, but we pull the bullets on 20 of them and reloaded the cases with AA#9 to 1200+fps. Shot them thru water jugs and the HPs expanded without losing petals. We attributed that to the bullets being bonded. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 4:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By Karl_Withakay: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. “Apparently”? … And you know this how? Can you provide links to some documented testing? |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 5:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Actually, Federal did make a dedicated 10mm bonded 190grn JHP ammo for the FBI that was pre-.40 S&W. It was only loaded to 1050fps from a 4.25” S&W model 1076, but we pull the bullets on 20 of them and reloaded the cases with AA#9 to 1200+fps. Shot them thru water jugs and the HPs expanded without losing petals. We attributed that to the bullets being bonded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By Karl_Withakay: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. Actually, Federal did make a dedicated 10mm bonded 190grn JHP ammo for the FBI that was pre-.40 S&W. It was only loaded to 1050fps from a 4.25” S&W model 1076, but we pull the bullets on 20 of them and reloaded the cases with AA#9 to 1200+fps. Shot them thru water jugs and the HPs expanded without losing petals. We attributed that to the bullets being bonded. Haven’t seen the testing on these rounds, but that’s good to know. |
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Posted: 6/18/2024 5:06:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: “Apparently”? … And you know this how? Can you provide links to some documented testing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By Karl_Withakay: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Federal hasn’t bothered to make a dedicated 10mm bullet, so their HST load is basically pretty much their 40Short and Weak. The current Federal 10mm HST load uses a 200 gr bullet, whereas their .40 S&W HST uses a 180gr bullet. But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. “Apparently”? … And you know this how? Can you provide links to some documented testing? ‘Apparently’, as in pulled bullets from the factory loaded 200gr 10mm HST rounds, hand loaded to 1200fps, folded or broke the petals. |
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Posted: 6/19/2024 8:31:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
[#32]
Speer’s 10mm Gold Dots, 200grns @ 1100fps. Not at UW/BB/DT level (1200+ to 1275fps) but I’m still not finding any factory 40S&W 200grn HP that makes 1100fps m.v.
https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gold-dot/gold-dot-handgun-personal-protection/19-54000GD.html Still, I’ve got a few boxes of this 200grn load on order, more at the high-performance/UW-level of the 10mm’s energy curve (1250fps). Reviews were good and the chrono-data seems to confirm the box-flap stats: https://grizzlycartridge.com/shop/10mm-200gr-jhp/ Looking to try a few boxes of this Winchester 200grn JSP ammo. Boxflaped at “1175fps,” a reviewer reports chronographing it at 1191fps from a 6” KKM tube. So probably right at the claimed m.v. from a 5” barrel: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1026114215?pid=932299 |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 2:17:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: But they apparently didn’t make the construction for full bore 10mm velocities. The velocity matches the top book loads I've found from most powder manufacturers for a 200gr 10mm. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:36:01 AM EDT
[#34]
Been carrying 175 silvertips for years.
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Posted: 7/27/2024 11:37:07 AM EDT
[#35]
I think 180 gr JHPs in the 1250 fps range are the best all around 600+ ft-lb anti-thug medicine.
My favorites ranked: 1. Winchester Defender 180 gr (modern Talon or PDX1) 2. Hornady Custom 180 gr XTP 3. Winchester Silver Tip 175 gr All of these go to POA very well in my FN 510T and aced gel testing. There are some nasty 155s out there, but the higher recoil starts taking away from the tactical advantage. I sometimes carry Hornady Custom XTP 155s @ 1410 fps, big BOOM, fun to shoot! I'll try some Underwood 155s @ 1500 fps soon for the helluvit, but I'm expecting the recoil to be a bit much. |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 3:57:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Winchester 10mm ready defense does pretty well too, an actual 1250 FPS from a G20. Doesn’t plug because of the plastic post. It does very well through barriers…
10mm ready defense gel test…. |
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Posted: 8/17/2024 4:05:58 PM EDT
[#37]
My carry ammo for 10mm is Underwood 200gr XTPs @1250fps, and their 200gr hardcast @ 1250 fps.
I haven't gel tested them or used them on anything though. |
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Posted: 8/17/2024 4:25:34 PM EDT
[#38]
If it FUNCTIONS in your gun, and it has an expanding bullet, 10mm of any flavor to the thoracic cavity is 100% lethal.
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Posted: 9/23/2024 9:08:19 PM EDT
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Anyone messed around with the PSA AAC 10mm JHP? For the price, if it performs seems like a good deal.
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