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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:13:46 PM EDT
I don't have a UPS shipping account and don't want one.  Blatantly anti-2A company.  Question for those that do.  

Recently I've run into a few manufacturers that won't ship to my mailing address because UPS won't allow them to ship anywhere but the premises address.  This is a fairly recent thing for me.  I've read what's online and it just says firearms have to be shipped between FFL's.  Is there some fine print somewhere I can't find that says only to "premises address?"
Link Posted: 5/23/2024 8:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DogtownTom] [#1]
Originally Posted By SIGthusiast:
I don't have a UPS shipping account and don't want one.  Blatantly anti-2A company.  Question for those that do.  

Recently I've run into a few manufacturers that won't ship to my mailing address because UPS won't allow them to ship anywhere but the premises address. This is a fairly recent thing for me.  I've read what's online and it just says firearms have to be shipped between FFL's.  Is there some fine print somewhere I can't find that says only to "premises address?"
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They are lying.

UPS How To Ship Firearms



Federal Firearms Licensees Newsletter - September 2013 - Volume 2 page 6
FFLs May Ship Firearms to Locations Other than the Business Premises Address

ATF has received numerous inquiries asking if a Federal
firearms licensee (FFL) may ship firearms to an address
that is different from what is listed on the recipient’s
Federal firearms license.

Neither the Gun Control Act (GCA) nor its implementing regulations
contain specific provisions requiring
that an FFL have firearms shipped to his/her licensed
business premises when receiving firearms. Therefore,
an FFL may lawfully receive firearms at his/her mailing
address, storage location, or other address where the
licensee intends to ensure safe and secure receipt of the
firearms.

ATF Industry Circular 74-13 outlines “Guidelines for
Verifying Identity and Licensed Status of Transferee.” It
states, in part that “when the shipment is to be made to
an address other than the transferee’s premises as listed
on his or her license or on his or her certified list, it is
suggested that the transferor verify the address as being
that of the transferee.” ATF encourages FFLs to verify
to the best of their ability that the shipping address is a
valid location where the licensee is prepared to receive
and subsequently possess the firearms. This may require
that you contact the FFL listed on the license to verify
that the address listed is accurate. In addition, if an FFL
requires frequent delivery of firearms to an address other
than his/her licensed business premises, ATF recommends
that the shipping address be placed on file with
the Federal Firearms Licensing Center (FFLC) as an
additional mailing address. It should be noted that any
FFL receiving firearms at locations other than his/her
licensed premises must still maintain accurate records of
acquisition and disposition of firearms.

Please be advised that there may be State laws that
prohibit the receipt of firearms at a different address
than what is listed on the license.
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Link Posted: 5/27/2024 8:02:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/3/2024 9:22:42 AM EDT
[#3]
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-firearms-be-shipped-licensee-address-different-business-premises-address-identified
Link Posted: 7/4/2024 1:42:37 PM EDT
[#4]
ATF and UPS don't care, this is an internal policy of the manufacturer.
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The owner of the sandbox makes their rules....
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 11:36:47 PM EDT
[#5]
We have a UPS depot in our town. I would have them HOLD all packages and pick them up at the depot. This was after they dropped 5k worth of guns on my front step when we weren't home. Which nobody signed for.  Homebased FFL open evenings and weekends.

Actually worked out a lot better for us. We could pick up the packages 8-10 am and 4-6 pm. Any damaged packages were dealt with on the spot. No sitting around waiting for truck instead of fishing in the morning.
Link Posted: 8/13/2024 10:54:11 PM EDT
[#6]
Kind of gave up on shipping guns a few years ago, UPS for the most part was pretty good to me(my local depot anyway) but they turned me off a little when they changed what was considered a oversized package and started really digging into my pocket, the USPS was a nightmare the one time I tried to use them.
Link Posted: 9/2/2024 9:36:41 PM EDT
[#7]
Every person I have dealt with at my UPS and FEDEX hub has their own rules. I usually have to educate the new ones every time they get somebody new in there. It is funny when you show them policy off the website and they still want to argue. Best thing I have done is start accounts and have everyone done when you show up. Ask for a drop off receipt and bail. No questions no BS.
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