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.Any organization that promote a swindler has lost all respect, Calguns group is one of them.
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Quoted: Quoted: .Any organization that promote a swindler has lost all respect, Calguns group is one of them. Exactly. Consider that they were are duped just like everybody else. Problem is that they still seem to be actively engaging in the duping too. Modifying and deleting threads isn't helping their cause. |
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Quoted: Especially since the "head janitor" has 15k+ tied up in his Gpal account, he has a interest in keeping thing "under the rug".Quoted: Quoted: .Any organization that promote a swindler has lost all respect, Calguns group is one of them. Exactly. Consider that they were are duped just like everybody else. Problem is that they still seem to be actively engaging in the duping too. Modifying and deleting threads isn't helping their cause. Lets not forget the fraud raffles, THR is also doing thread cleaning when the raffle situation was brought up recently. If my face keeps taking anymore shocks its going to get stuck like this––-> |
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Looks like another Gpal shill is coming out of the woodwork...
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GPAL vender forum is closing, finally. Though Kes and Ben did issue a nice statement supporting eachother. I wonder if Kes mention Ben should maybe pay people what is owed?
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Will they reinstate the members they banned now?
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Yep looks like there closing the Gpal forum on Calguns so they can sweep this under the rug. There doing because Google is indexing every complaint over there and they don't want that so there closing it down. The question now is victims cannot be heard or seen...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5137802#post5137802 |
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Yep looks like there closing the Gpal forum on Calguns so they can sweep this under the rug. There doing because Google is indexing every complaint over there and they don't want that so there closing it down. The question now is victims cannot be heard or seen... http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5137802#post5137802 I dont think there will be any shortage of information of the web warning people away from GPal. Amazing that Kestryl still supports Cannon after all this. |
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Absolutely amazing. Nobody should be surprised, though. Kestryll is a grade-A idiot.
"Calguns.net still maintains full faith and confidence in Gpal and their ability to resolve the current issues they are experiencing and will continue to accept Gpal as a payment option for advertising and Contributorships." Quoted: Quoted: Yep looks like there closing the Gpal forum on Calguns so they can sweep this under the rug. There doing because Google is indexing every complaint over there and they don't want that so there closing it down. The question now is victims cannot be heard or seen... http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5137802#post5137802 I dont think there will be any shortage of information of the web warning people away from GPal. Amazing that Kestryl still supports Cannon after all this. |
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GPal Vendor Forum Closing
After much discussion over the past several weeks we have come to the conclusion that having Gpal's Customer Service based out of a Vendor Forum on Calguns.net is neither the best way to properly service the needs of Gpal's customers nor is it appropriate for the Calguns community to have an influx of people who's interests are something other than firearms and 2A rights in California. Gpal and Calguns are two distinct and separate entities and this has been stated numerous times. However there seems to be some confusion regarding this due in part to Gpal having a Vendor forum on Calguns. This has lead to some members of the Calguns community being asked questions or for information regarding Gpal on other forums. In order to clear up the present confusion and to prevent more of the same in the future we, both Gpal and Calguns, have decided that both the Gpal customers and the Calguns community will be better served by Gpal's Customer Service moving in-house and the Vendor Forum on Calguns.net being closed. Calguns.net still maintains full faith and confidence in Gpal and their ability to resolve the current issues they are experiencing and will continue to accept Gpal as a payment option for advertising and Contributorships. Some more for the google bots |
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Now I'm pretty damn pissed. I posted over there as FrayAdjacent.
Kestryll had the audacity to say that what GPal has done is not fraud? IT'S THE DEFINITION OF FRAUD!! "hey, I'll receive funds from your buyer and transfer you the funds!" "ok" ..."hey, it's been 110 days, where's my money" *crickets* |
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Quoted: Here's a gem from Kes: "Let me tell you this slower, maybe it will sink in that way. I.. own.. Calguns.. which.. is hosted.. by.. Geovario.. the.. hosting.. company.. Ben.. owns. I.. am.. on.. the.. Board.. of.. Directors.. of.. CGF. I.. am.. also.. on.. the.. Gunpal.. Board.. of.. advisors. Look.. at.. this.. webpage.. on.. gunpal.net.. https://www.gunpal.net/gp?req=about Scroll.. down.. to.. the.. name.. Paul.. T... Nordberg.. that.. is.. me. Paul Nordberg, Owner, Calguns.net. Paul T. Nordberg is the Founder, Owner and Director of Calguns, Inc who owns and operates the webforums at http://www.calguns.net/ I.. know.. Ben.. Cannon.. personally. Are.. you.. getting.. it.. now??" Yep...no connection at all between CGN,CGF & Gpal I just felt like quoting this again because it makes me laugh. |
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Just for curiosities sake, I checked the payment methods for contributing to CGN. Guess what, gpal is still an accepted payment method.
Even with all the crap that Ben Canon and gpal have caused over at calguns, they are still using them as a payment service. I'm sorry, but something sure does have a malodorous funk over there. |
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The title of that thread: *************Ben Rocks*********** From the post: Ben Cannon, Chairman & CEO, GUNPAL, Inc. Mr Cannon is the Chairman & CEO of GUNPAL, which he founded in 2004. Mr. Cannon is also a co-founder and President of GeoVario, LLC. A Content Delivery Network and Web hosting company who's clients include Fortune 100 Companies and the US DoD. Mr. Cannon is an Owner and Director of Calguns, Inc who owns and operates the web forums at Calguns.net http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks.html A SILVER SPONSOR at Luxury 4 Play... WTF?? |
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Quoted: Just for curiosities sake, I checked the payment methods for contributing to CGN. Guess what, gpal is still an accepted payment method. Even with all the crap that Ben Canon and gpal have caused over at calguns, they are still using them as a payment service. I'm sorry, but something sure does have a malodorous funk over there. Gotta raise bail money |
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Yep, the GPal vendor forum on CGN is closed.
Fucking fuckers. I'll just have to keep opening cases on GPal weekly. |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company. That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company. That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on? |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company.
That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html Apparently someone thinks that GPal (and services like it) are actually bank accounts... thus the "'runs' on the banks during the depression" mention. If that's what Ben Cannon thought of GPal, then he definitely fucked up in making sure that funds were available for users to withdraw upon receiving. |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company. That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on? Well.. her last name is "Glasscock".... http://www.myspace.com/allysonmullinsglasscock |
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I just sent a request for money (as if I sold something, etc) for my funds to [email protected]. Let's see how they respond!
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Quoted: As far as the Gpal moniker stuck on the email footer, that is indeed some unfortunate file residue and Kestryll is fixing that. It's part of the email blast system that was set up some time ago. Sometimes when you're an all- volunteer org little administriva things slip up. In no way has Ben Cannon been part of CGF since beginning of year, and concerns about GPs operations (and certainly lack of speed/communications) were expressed apparently without their being digested and esp as early teething pains (which would be understandable in a startup) seem to have become of a different nature later in the year, or at least the entire lack of friggin' communication has made it seem that way. -Bill Not according to the bio on Ben at the Luxury 4 Play web site: Mr. Cannon is an Owner and Director of Calguns, Inc who owns and operates the web forums at Calguns.net Mr. Cannon is also the Treasurer and Director at The Calguns Foundation, a non-profit Legal Defense and Education foundation. Mr. Cannon's duties include management of the Foundation's entire Endowment Fund. <–––––––––––––– WTF! You'd better check your bank account. Is the Ben bio true? |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company.
That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on? Looks like she's a lawyer. glasscocckglasscockandmullins.com http://glasscockglasscockandmullins.com/default.aspx |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company. That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on? I bet she could suck start a diesel truck... |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company.
That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on? Looks like she's a lawyer. glasscocckglasscockandmullins.com http://glasscockglasscockandmullins.com/default.aspx Not a very good one if she claims people are committing libel against that cocksucker. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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L4P told Cannon to shove his sponsorship up his ass. Luxury doesn't like cocksuckers like him
The L4P admin team has been evaluating the complaints and talking to GPAL and also other members involved. We are not here to judge, take sides or pass judgement. Obviously GPAL at this time needs to deal with issues at hand and address the issues their customers have with how they have been handling their accounts. Currently and until further evaluation we would like to thank them for their support but they are no longer sponsors of this community.
thanks raw/admin |
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Kestryll at Calguns has locked the last thread in the gpal forum and has said that the he will remove the gpal vendor forum by 6:00 pm pacific time today.
More covering Ben's ass? Something sure does stink over there. |
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Quoted: Kestryll at Calguns has locked the last thread in the gpal forum and has said that the he will remove the gpal vendor forum by 6:00 pm pacific time today. More covering Ben's ass? Something sure does stink over there. Good job calling them out over there at Calguns.net but your threads going to get locked. The part that's real troubling is the fact Calguns.net will still continue to use Gpal for its donations, that should say everything right there.
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Quoted: The Ben Bio on L4P does say he is an owner of Calguns.net.......Quoted: Kestryll at Calguns has locked the last thread in the gpal forum and has said that the he will remove the gpal vendor forum by 6:00 pm pacific time today. More covering Ben's ass? Something sure does stink over there. Good job calling them out over there at Calguns.net but your threads going to get locked. The part that's real troubling is the fact Calguns.net will still continue to use Gpal for its donations, that should say everything right there. |
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Corey...Since you and I actually know and respect Ben it is easy for us to defend him...notice that the 2 users attacking Ben have elected to remain anonymous... While I am not at liberty to discuss the actual events...I can inform you that Gpal has been plagued by a series of events designed to personally and professionally harass and libel both he and his company. The banking institution that is responsible for his "delay" in funding is currently being investigated by two separate regulatory agencies and there is also still current, ongoing litigation regarding the personal and professional attacks that have been made against Ben. Imagine the "runs" on the banks during the depression and you will have some idea of the recent challenges he has faced. There is undisputable evidence that...since the inception of GPal, there has been a time consuming and intensive campaign designed to defame and destroy the company.
That being said... I am sure that everyone will agree that this is not the correct forum to attack a friend and sponsor of the 4...if you want to vent about a sponsor's service...try to resolve the issues in private first and remember Knick's advice and stay positive...you NEVER know what the actual situation might be... Link: http://www.luxury4play.com/land-rover/51501-ben-rocks-2.html So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on? I bet she could suck start a diesel truck... |
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Just got an email from GPal 'customer service' asking me to "explain my issue a little more" in regards to my last support ticket where I simply typed "WHERE IS MY GOD DAMNED MONEY"
This guy is such an asshole. I hope you are reading this Ben, you are a little weasel. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Kestryll at Calguns has locked the last thread in the gpal forum and has said that the he will remove the gpal vendor forum by 6:00 pm pacific time today. More covering Ben's ass? Something sure does stink over there. Good job calling them out over there at Calguns.net but your threads going to get locked. The part that's real troubling is the fact Calguns.net will still continue to use Gpal for its donations, that should say everything right there. Its a bottomless pit. Just think the OLL movement was going on Waaaaay before Ben Cannon posted his letter. In fact I know it was happening right after the ban people were cutting off there pistol grip or leaving them off etc to be complaint. All Ben did when he heard about it was write a letter and got a confirmation from DOJ (No biggie if you follow the law you don't need a letter) Then after the letter he posted it to the masses (people who didn't know) and it took off from there so he really didn't start the OLL movement like he says he did it was going on many years before it just wasn't talked about openly on the internet.... |
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So I did some homework on what it would take to start up a company like the "Pals". Very interesting findings... It's not that Visa and Mastercard hate firearms in general, they hate "Payment Aggregators" more. The business model has very high risk of fraud and charge backs so 99.9999% of merchant service providers will flat out tell you HELL NO when applying. I think GPal might have misstated their business purpose in order to get the merchant and ACH accounts and then got slapped with fees, jacked up rates, reserves and fines from Visa (Which is where the money went). They're most likely trying to recoup the losses and get back on their feet, Peter vs. Paul while paying off fines at the same time. There's a reason why there are very few Paypal's in business, the rest of the guys go offshore to European Banks. Here's a brief article on the situation with Aggregators... http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/blog/high-risk-mechant-account-third-party-payments-aggregation Possibly. However, there were credit seizures against Ben Cannon that went down this summer from various banks. And it looks like he possibly didn't have the Gpal funds properly firewalled under Gpal's incorporation. (Ultimately the whole fscking point of being incorporated, duh.. to insulate personal and business liabilities.) Otherwise, I agree, it's rob Peter to pay Paul time. A constant Chinese fire drill hoping to sucker in new transactions to pay off the biggest creditors or those threatening the most imminent legal action. The only problem is that their primary customer base is the online gun trading/selling community. They don't really have other markets they could exploit long enough to pull themselves out of this hole and get a balance sheet that's in the black. Further more, there's the possibility Gpal needed to be licensed as a wire-transfer agent in several of the U.S. states where their customers reside. One could say this is only for money order places like Western Union etc, but apparently PayPal always thought they needed these various state licenses, and went through the trouble to obtain and maintain them. Some states have a fine of up to $1000 per transaction for unlicensed wire payments. Oops. If the state of California and the Feds don't drop the hammer on him, a whole laundry list of U.S. states might be after him next. |
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That's not entirely correct. Most people still thought AR-15 "series" lowers were banned by name, even though the ban was nullified by the courts in 2001 or 2002 (not sure on the exact date). Most of the few people "in the know" weren't willing to test the waters by importing a non-listed lower.
What most people don't know though is that Ben really wasn't the first to send a letter and get a response. The guy that did wasn't interested in being "famous," he just wanted to help himself and a few friends. A clever google search would probably find out who he is. Like you said, what Ben did was make it a popular movement. Of course, Ben probably still claims to have been the "first." Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Kestryll at Calguns has locked the last thread in the gpal forum and has said that the he will remove the gpal vendor forum by 6:00 pm pacific time today. More covering Ben's ass? Something sure does stink over there. Good job calling them out over there at Calguns.net but your threads going to get locked. The part that's real troubling is the fact Calguns.net will still continue to use Gpal for its donations, that should say everything right there. Its a bottomless pit. Just think the OLL movement was going on Waaaaay before Ben Cannon posted his letter. In fact I know it was happening right after the ban people were cutting off there pistol grip or leaving them off etc to be complaint. All Ben did when he heard about it was write a letter and got a confirmation from DOJ (No biggie if you follow the law you don't need a letter) Then after the letter he posted it to the masses (people who didn't know) and it took off from there so he really didn't start the OLL movement like he says he did it was going on many years before it just wasn't talked about openly on the internet.... |
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Found elsewhere...
if you have money owed
Passalacqua, Mazzoni, Gladden, Lopez & Maraviglia, LLP 1201 Vine Street, Suite 200, Healdsburg, California 95448-4838 TEL 707-433-3363 · FAX 707-433-3606 Dear Mr. Gladden, It was a pleasure speaking with you this morning regarding legal proceedings against GPal, Inc. formerly known as gunpal.com GPal Company Information Gpal, Inc 1083 Vine Street # 215 Healdsburg, CA 95448-4830 map Phone: (650) 472-4019 Contact: Ben Cannon, CEO GPal, Inc is acting as a credit card processing company for the firearms industry. Vendors and retailers use GPal, Inc as their credit card processing company, allowing them to accept credit card payments for goods and services purchased over the internet or at a retail location. For this service, GPal charges a service fee of approximately 3%. Once GPal has received payment from the buyer, they will subtract their processing fee and electronically transfer the funds to the clients bank account, which has been electronically verified when a new client signs up for the service. I have attached copies of receipts for transactions indicating their completion. The documentation has a transaction number, amount of transfer, date of transfer and verification of transfer. Each of the documents attached is a request by my corporation instructing GPal to transfer funds into my account. None of these transactions has been completed and no refunds have been requested by my corporation. The total owed to my corporation is $1544.20. This amount has already been discounted the 3% (approx.) fee that GPal charges its clients. I have contacted several individuals who are under the same predicament and advised them that I will initiate legal proceedings against Gpal, Inc. I am awaiting confirmation to verify if they would like to join in the proceedings and share legal expenses. I will wait until Thursday to inform you if any other individual or corporations will be joining in the suit. This letter is authorizing your firm to initiate contact with GPal, Inc for the purposes of collecting funds owed to this corporation as well as possible additional compensation for legal fees, interest and lost revenue. Please wait until Thursday to begin the process, allowing any interested party to join this case. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at _____________________________________________. Best Regards, Victor Lavalle President/CEO Lavalle Enterprises, Inc |
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look Ben Cannon in California up here:
www.spokeo.com I made a few phone calls and got my $. just an fyi. |
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Quoted: look Ben Cannon in California up here: www.spokeo.com I made a few phone calls and got my $. just an fyi. That's a pay site, need more info...
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Kestryll was damned if he kept it open. People were bitching that he was allowing gpal to push support off to a 3rd party forum and keep the gpal internal forum clear. now he's damned for closing it. In either case, people are gonna be upset with him.
Yep, the GPal vendor forum on CGN is closed. Fucking fuckers. I'll just have to keep opening cases on GPal weekly. |
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Ben was a director of Calguns, inc, but that arrangement ended last year when Kestryll decided not to have a a BOD. But Ben kept that in is bio and in sig on the Internet. Same foe the CGF affiliation. He resigned back in Feb, but conveniently failed to update his bio or sig.
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As far as the Gpal moniker stuck on the email footer, that is indeed some unfortunate file residue and Kestryll is fixing that. It's part of the email blast system that was set up some time ago. Sometimes when you're an all- volunteer org little administriva things slip up. In no way has Ben Cannon been part of CGF since beginning of year, and concerns about GPs operations (and certainly lack of speed/communications) were expressed apparently without their being digested and esp as early teething pains (which would be understandable in a startup) seem to have become of a different nature later in the year, or at least the entire lack of friggin' communication has made it seem that way. -Bill Not according to the bio on Ben at the Luxury 4 Play web site: Mr. Cannon is an Owner and Director of Calguns, Inc who owns and operates the web forums at Calguns.net Mr. Cannon is also the Treasurer and Director at The Calguns Foundation, a non-profit Legal Defense and Education foundation. Mr. Cannon's duties include management of the Foundation's entire Endowment Fund. <–––––––––––––– WTF! You'd better check your bank account. Is the Ben bio true? |
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Kestryll was damned if he kept it open. People were bitching that he was allowing gpal to push support off to a 3rd party forum and keep the gpal internal forum clear. now he's damned for closing it. In either case, people are gonna be upset with him.
Yep, the GPal vendor forum on CGN is closed. Fucking fuckers. I'll just have to keep opening cases on GPal weekly. I work in IT and do systems administration. I understand the additional load that must have been incurred with many people joining the forums and bombing the vendor subforum. However, that's the pain that comes with being associated with such a douchebag businessman like Cannon. Were I running that forum, I'd be telling Cannon he needs to give me more hardware/bandwidth, and be up front with my forum members. |
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Kestryll was damned if he kept it open. People were bitching that he was allowing gpal to push support off to a 3rd party forum and keep the gpal internal forum clear. now he's damned for closing it. In either case, people are gonna be upset with him.
Yep, the GPal vendor forum on CGN is closed. Fucking fuckers. I'll just have to keep opening cases on GPal weekly. I work in IT and do systems administration. I understand the additional load that must have been incurred with many people joining the forums and bombing the vendor subforum. However, that's the pain that comes with being associated with such a douchebag businessman like Cannon. Were I running that forum, I'd be telling Cannon he needs to give me more hardware/bandwidth, and be up front with my forum members. I doubt it was the server load that made Kestryll decide to close it. It was people across multiple forums bitching that by allowing Gpal to continue to host its support forum on CGN (with moderation rights like any other vendor has), that it was smearing CGN across the internet. Those people were demanding that Paul close down the GP-subforum so that CGN would stop getting caught up in GP's mess. They were saying that by closing the gp subforum and making people go ot the gp internal forum for support, that it would somehow be better. Now that he did that, other people are bitching that by closing the GP subforum, he is somehow facilitating GP in a cover up. damned if he did, damned if he did't. Unfortunately allowing the gp subforum to stay on CGN as long as it did created a lot of drama that should not have been at CGN in the first place. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Kestryll was damned if he kept it open. People were bitching that he was allowing gpal to push support off to a 3rd party forum and keep the gpal internal forum clear. now he's damned for closing it. In either case, people are gonna be upset with him.Yep, the GPal vendor forum on CGN is closed. Fucking fuckers. I'll just have to keep opening cases on GPal weekly. I work in IT and do systems administration. I understand the additional load that must have been incurred with many people joining the forums and bombing the vendor subforum. However, that's the pain that comes with being associated with such a douchebag businessman like Cannon. Were I running that forum, I'd be telling Cannon he needs to give me more hardware/bandwidth, and be up front with my forum members. I doubt it was the server load that made Kestryll decide to close it. It was people across multiple forums bitching that by allowing Gpal to continue to host its support forum on CGN (with moderation rights like any other vendor has), that it was smearing CGN across the internet. Those people were demanding that Paul close down the GP-subforum so that CGN would stop getting caught up in GP's mess. They were saying that by closing the gp subforum and making people go ot the gp internal forum for support, that it would somehow be better. Now that he did that, other people are bitching that by closing the GP subforum, he is somehow facilitating GP in a cover up. damned if he did, damned if he did't. Unfortunately allowing the gp subforum to stay on CGN as long as it did created a lot of drama that should not have been at CGN in the first place. It's because he took too long to make a decision. Also, instead of making a clear statement in the beginning stating his "Neutrality" he was right there with GPalVP modifying and deleting threads, talking shit and banning members. He fucked up on all counts, and he's taking his board down with him. |
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Kestryll is as good piece of shit as Ben himself.Once he realized DA investigation is for real, he's trying to distance calguns from Ben. hosting Gpal CS on galguns instead og Gpal own forums,was a way he helped Ben rope in more victims.He definitely is a fucking fucker
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Quoted: Kestryll is as good piece of shit as Ben himself.Once he realized DA investigation is for real, he's trying to distance calguns from Ben. hosting Gpal CS on galguns instead og Gpal own forums,was a way he helped Ben rope in more victims.He definitely is a fucking fucker While reading about the raffles I saw that Kestryll said he kept some of the money that was "donated" for server equipment/leases etc...to buy himself a few guns. I wonder how that works both legally and tax wise. |
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Quoted: Where did you see this?Quoted: Kestryll is as good piece of shit as Ben himself.Once he realized DA investigation is for real, he's trying to distance calguns from Ben. hosting Gpal CS on galguns instead og Gpal own forums,was a way he helped Ben rope in more victims.He definitely is a fucking fucker While reading about the raffles I saw that Kestryll said he kept some of the money that was "donated" for server equipment/leases etc...to buy himself a few guns. I wonder how that works both legally and tax wise. |
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Where did you see this? kestryll
What money was coming in went to things like paying vBulletin licensing fees, domain name registrations and renewals (I have nearly every extension of 'calguns.xxx locked down), paying for the hosting for calguns.org which is on a non-Geovario server just in case, fronting and covering the hosting costs of the So Cal dinner a couple of years ago, airfare and hotel costs for NRA Conventions and such, buying each of the Mods knives with their screen names on them, buying things like knives to donate to the NRA Members Council dinners in Calguns' name and frankly I bought a Ruger .22 and 2 handguns. post# 5 in this thread |
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