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Quoted: The utility company released this statement. If it's true that no law enforcement agency has attempted to contact the company, that's odd. https://i.postimg.cc/3x39G1hT/445550843-971701301629735-5824240448923590406-n.jpg View Quote That’s interesting. So the deceased is an asylee from Russia due to the war. That’s pretty fast to get a job. That company probably employs a lot of asylees. I wonder if that company, or any of its subsidiaries, gets government contracts. |
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Quoted: You should have proned the tree trimmers in the ditch at gun point until they could ID themselves with all of the contract paperwork that is sitting on a desk somewhere. View Quote There’s an easement on my property. If you are on the easement and I don’t know you are going to be there, you will show an ID or correspondence from the company, or you can leave or wait for the sheriff. |
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Quoted: There's an easement on my property. If you are on the easement and I don't know you are going to be there, you will show an ID or correspondence from the company, or you can leave or wait for the sheriff. View Quote |
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Quoted: You should have proned the tree trimmers in the ditch at gun point until they could ID themselves with all of the contract paperwork that is sitting on a desk somewhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ya, all the ones I see around here have signs saying "contractor for (insert utility here)" with what appears to be the "official" logo of the utility. The only exception I've seen to that is the tree trimmers for power, but they've always been in marked company trucks Why, they were in marked trucks with safety yellow or orange shirts on with the company name, not wandering around in plain clothes and vehicles |
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Quoted: They send a letter first. Nobody ever "carded" us or called the police. That's just arfcom fantasy land. View Quote You're still too obtuse to realize that if these guys were out at sunset, which you say you don't do, that maybe there's other things that they were/were not doing that are different than what you do. Like, maybe they didn't send a letter. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Why, they were in marked trucks with safety yellow or orange shirts on with the company name, not wandering around in plain clothes and vehicles When they have to go through your yard/property to get to their work it absolutely does. No sane person, with a family especially, is just letting Joe shit the ragman go wandering through his backyard |
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Quoted: You're still too obtuse to realize that if these guys were out at sunset, which you say you don't do, that maybe there's other things that they were/were not doing that are different than what you do. Like, maybe they didn't send a letter. View Quote Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. |
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Quoted: So you’re saying, unless it’s a public easement, he should have identification to show the owner that he can be on the easement View Quote Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. |
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Quoted: No, I never posted anything about them except I have no idea what went on there and neither does anyone else posting here. You don't know whether they sent a letter or not. You have no idea whether they were sub-contractors that were supposed to be there or not. Nobody knows whether the shooter was a lunatic or not (though some of the posters are at least half way there themselves). Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You're still too obtuse to realize that if these guys were out at sunset, which you say you don't do, that maybe there's other things that they were/were not doing that are different than what you do. Like, maybe they didn't send a letter. Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. |
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15 pages and still no answers. Plot twist, what if the guy was there investigating the soldier and either FBI or more likely an informant? Would explain the need for the feds to be involved so quickly and all the unanswered questions.
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Quoted: Thing is you speak English and don't come on property at sunset. And you are not a Russian guy. Honestly your are not the same as the dead Russian guy. View Quote The only time we work at night is monitoring on active construction sites that run 24 hrs a day or on shoreline sites due to timing with tides. Run of the mill surveying through yards, we keep it to normal business hours even though we are pretty quiet. You don't want to be bugging people while they are eating dinner or something. |
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Quoted: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. This falls under the Play Stupid Games and Win Stupid Prizes chapter of being not-dead. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: Typical sub-contractor crew at work. No uniforms, IDs, Vests, Logos. Vehicles were an old boat with no logo and an unmarked rental truck. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/70693/IMG_1764_JPG-3223761.JPG View Quote Oh yeah, you show up like that here without notice and you'll be met by a polite, visibly armed person who is very interested to know what you're doing on posted land. We had a fence crew for an adjacent ranch show up the other day. It went as I described above, and they went about their business after we determined who they were. Very importantly, their employer informed us they'd be working in the area a week or two beforehand. A different outfit working for a multinational didn't do that. All their stakes got pulled up and used for fencing by a couple of ranch kids. |
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Quoted: Oh yeah, you show up like that here without notice and you'll be met by a polite, visibly armed person who is very interested to know what you're doing on posted land. We had a fence crew for an adjacent ranch show up the other day. It went as I described above, and they went about their business after we determined who they were. Very importantly, their employer informed us they'd be working in the area a week or two beforehand. A different outfit working for a multinational didn't do that. All their stakes got pulled up and used for fencing by a couple of ranch kids. View Quote |
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Quoted: No, I never posted anything about them except I have no idea what went on there and neither does anyone else posting here. You don't know whether they sent a letter or not. You have no idea whether they were sub-contractors that were supposed to be there or not. Nobody knows whether the shooter was a lunatic or not (though some of the posters are at least half way there themselves). Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. View Quote And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" |
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Quoted: And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" View Quote You want me to join in dreaming up stupid shit about this particular scenario? No thanks, I'll leave that up to you guys. |
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Quoted: If you were informed they were going to be there, why did you go bother them? Because normal people don't. View Quote Because they were waiting in their truck at the signs at the property line, we've had serious issues with trespassers/copper thieves, their truck wasn't marked, and they wanted to know the best route to get to a particular area. This area is about 15 miles from the nearest paved road so any unrecognized vehicle turning off the county road is going to be met by someone. |
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Quoted: Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So you're saying, unless it's a public easement, he should have identification to show the owner that he can be on the easement Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. |
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Quoted: Seems like everyone but him is fixated on that. Subs of subs of subs of subs is what you get. Uniform or ID, LMAO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. View Quote I've got a ROW on my back corner. Probably own about an acre-ish of powerlines. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been out there in the last three years. I got a notice last year. It is still current. |
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Quoted: So if he had better identifying PPE would he probably be more or less alive now providing he was actually there for legit purposes? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" Seems like everyone but him is fixated on that. Subs of subs of subs of subs is what you get. Uniform or ID, LMAO. Oh well. |
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Quoted: Yes, but you know there is a professional way to do things vs a lazy way that might lead to misunderstandings. Everything in life is about avoiding the appearance of impropriety. I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. View Quote But look at the photo posted above. It looks like there is a fence line for a property and the pole is outside the fence line. Either way, shooting in the hands can indicate a defensive posture. Shooting in the back, well, we know what that means. |
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Quoted: No, I never posted anything about them except I have no idea what went on there and neither does anyone else posting here. You don't know whether they sent a letter or not. You have no idea whether they were sub-contractors that were supposed to be there or not. Nobody knows whether the shooter was a lunatic or not (though some of the posters are at least half way there themselves). Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. View Quote Who gives a shit if there’s a law. What kind of company sends employees on other people property without a sign on the car door, and ID or or work order for the employees. I guess we have your statement saying the company shouldn’t do it, and a dead guy that may have been better off with an ID. |
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Quoted: Because shit can get out of control quickly? Even quicker when you're fucking dumb or try to escalate for no good reason? https://i.imgur.com/PyBw1SL.gif View Quote Media does it's actual job for a change and doesn't make up a bunch of shit, so people here make it up for 'em. |
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Quoted: Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. View Quote If the public doesn’t, what kind of jacked up company is too cheap to print out clip on ID’s and a work order on letterhead. |
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Quoted: Who gives a shit if there's a law. What kind of company sends employees on other people property without a sign on the car door, and ID or or work order for the employees. I guess we have your statement saying the company shouldn't do it, and a dead guy that may have been better off with an ID. View Quote |
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Quoted: You've decided you know which one instigated it? Media does it's actual job for a change and doesn't make up a bunch of shit, so people here make it up for 'em. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Because shit can get out of control quickly? Even quicker when you're fucking dumb or try to escalate for no good reason? https://i.imgur.com/PyBw1SL.gif Media does it's actual job for a change and doesn't make up a bunch of shit, so people here make it up for 'em. 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. |
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Quoted: But look at the photo posted above. It looks like there is a fence line for a property and the pole is outside the fence line. Either way, shooting in the hands can indicate a defensive posture. Shooting in the back, well, we know what that means. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes, but you know there is a professional way to do things vs a lazy way that might lead to misunderstandings. Everything in life is about avoiding the appearance of impropriety. I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. But look at the photo posted above. It looks like there is a fence line for a property and the pole is outside the fence line. Either way, shooting in the hands can indicate a defensive posture. Shooting in the back, well, we know what that means. This is an odd one, and sadly we're probably never going to hear an accurate accounting of the full story. |
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Quoted: There's 3 logical reasons right now: 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. View Quote |
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So in Washington, utilitiy companies aren't concerned with people impersonating their employees and take zero steps to make sure the public knows that the guys at their door are legit employees. Sounds like an oppurtunity for rape and robbery.
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Quoted: Quoted: There's 3 logical reasons right now: 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. |
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Quoted: So in Washington, utilitiy companies aren't concerned with people impersonating their employees and take zero steps to make sure the public knows that the guys at their door are legit employees. Sounds like an oppurtunity for rape and robbery. View Quote A rapist could easily make fake name tags. Could even make a fake company uniform or steal one or still have one from a company they were fired from. Also a legit employee could want to rape you. Scary stuff. |
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Quoted: It can also mean he lunged for the gun and got shot in the hands, face, and back of his head on the way to the ground. This is an odd one, and sadly we're probably never going to hear an accurate accounting of the full story. View Quote Easily to show angles with a forensic analysis. Powder residue, angles, and round termination location will either support or destroy the self defense aspect. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There's 3 logical reasons right now: 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. I’ve been reading this thread and laughing at everyone slinging their fantasy scenarios at you all the while you have been just stating the facts. About the only facts in the thread really. |
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So... he was taking photos of the identity number on poles????
"Griffin further confirmed that a camera with a sophisticated telephoto lens was found on Daraev’s body." WTF... a sophisticated telephoto lens was needed????? Attached File |
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