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Quoted: Whether you believe it or not it's true. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Changing the definition of victory does not mean it occurred. Two sides can actually lose, but as it stands right now Ukraine does not have a very good position at the bargaining table. Quoted: and humiliate the west. This objective was achieved. |
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Quoted: Your meme is not even close to being True and you should feel bad. Russians nearly tied the Olympic record for battlefield rout which was set last October in Kharkiv by the Russian 1st guards tank army.
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I saved this meme from when the shit kicked off way back when. I'm glad it turned out to be accurate. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67160/1647390019020_jpg-2923678.JPG Your meme is not even close to being True and you should feel bad. Russians nearly tied the Olympic record for battlefield rout which was set last October in Kharkiv by the Russian 1st guards tank army.
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Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? View Quote And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. |
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UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia.
I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. |
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Quoted: And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. When figures like $100B of more debt are drops in the bucket, we are in the collapse of the empire stage of our nation. |
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Quoted: Ukraine's big counteroffensive has netted them less than 100 square miles. It's like Gary Coleman throwing little haymakers as Mike Tyson covers up so as not to get a bruise. The US can help Gary tie up Tyson as much as possible, but it's obvious to all that Tyson isn't dropping the big bombs yet, because he doesn't have to. This is a war of milking. Young men die so that the corrupt get rich, and so that both sides drum up more support from their respective and perspective allies. Does anyone deny that if Russia wanted Ukraine wiped off the map tomorrow, that it would be so? View Quote No, this is a war of genocide and wiping out people. It is a war of aggression that is a stepping stone to a Russian Federation that controls Europe. Containing it to Ukraine is a fallacy. Russia can not gain a square inch without consequences or they will keep going. Putin cares about what he gains, not what he loses. |
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But the Uke bro, mask wearing, boomers told me that Russia is gonna get smoked. Their hardware dates back to 1824 and because Joe Biden is supporting the already-failed-state of Ukraine, they would be handing Putin his ass any minute now.
LMAO. Them boom booms strike again! |
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What is a cochair?
Surely, that has to be different from a co-chair, right? |
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Quoted: When figures like $100B of more debt are drops in the bucket, we are in the collapse of the empire stage of our nation. View Quote Biden creates $8 Trillion of new debt and you are crying about $100 Billion? Would you rather increase the defense budget to $2-3 Trillion? Face it, we don't have the manpower to build a military for a global WWIII. |
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Quoted: No, do lend lease like we did in WW2. Out-manufacture Russia by producing 10x the amount of weapons they can. View Quote ya, 1940 is over dude...maybe read some of the shit British and AMerican "think tanks" actually write....RUSI (british military think tank) and RAND, have already written papers on how the ENTIRE west can't out produce RUssia in military goods for at least 10-15 years there is no capacity for it. Where do you people think these factories actually exist? Because they ain't in America anymore... Oh and Ukraine is getting "lend/lease" already...we just can't produce shit at a level that isn't embarrassing.... |
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Quoted: Well, they aren't losing either. They've held back a much stronger military. As incompetent as the Russian military is, they still have more resources, manpower, and hardware. Of course, Ukraine couldn't do it without help. The world is also better off without Russia controlling Ukraine. Apart from the security challenges of NATO with Russia that much closer, the economic resources Russia would seize would be problematic. All that oil, gas, minerals, metals, and excellent farmland would revitalize Russia's economy and power in the world. Since we all know Putin is evil, it is best he doesn't get these things. Instead, Russia's economy is hurting. Their military will take decades to rebuild, even if they find the money to do it. It will be even harder with all the young people who have fled the country to which Russia will need to keep its economy going. It seems that we're getting something for our money. Whether it's too expensive is debatable. I don't predict anything major happening. Ukraine probably wants to eke out a few more gains before the lines solidify even further. A stalemate seems likely and what you gain now will likely be the status quo for a long time. Just like the Korean war, it will probably end in a ceasefire with no treaty. When Putin finally dies, maybe a treaty is possible. View Quote |
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Quoted: Whether you believe it or not it's true. Putin invaded Ukraine with the intent to subjugate and conquer the entire country in a few days and humiliate the west. Not just the eastern parts and no, Kyiv was not a feint. He wanted the entire country and to drive Zelenskyy out of the capital. Nobody expected Ukraine to offer more than a few days or weeks of resistance and Russian propagandists publicly declared Ukraine would be annihilated. In Putin's Essay "On the historical unity of Ukraine and Russia" he claimed Ukraine belonged to Russia. That's Putin himself talking, not me. Russia also publicly declared on February 26th, 2022 that they had defeated Ukraine and "Ukraine had returned to Russia". It was soon withdrawn when Russia began to flee Kyiv after losing the battle. Nato is stronger and now has 2 more nations, including one former Russian imperial colony, and Ukraine is stronger. Ukraine is the underdog and not on the level of Russia. They're a much smaller nation with a much weaker military. For people to say "Oh, they got billions yet they can't push Russia out, they're losing" is ignorant because it's the lightweight boxer going against the heavyweight boxer and winning. The puppet government Russia intended to setup with it's JBT FSB goons isn't happening. Odesa? Still Ukrainian. Kherson? Liberated. Kharkiv? Still Ukrainian. Kyiv? Still Ukrainian. Bucha? Even more Ukrainian after the horrors VDV soldiers did to the people there. Izium? Free. Kupyansk? Free. Balakliya? Free. Urozhaine? Recently free. Robytne? Freedom, 50% loaded. The victory pathways for Ukraine are much larger whereas the pathways to victory for Russia are much narrower. Russia is seen as the more powerful country yet when faced with unified Ukrainian resistance fled the capital. Ukrainian victory is retaining most of their country and surviving as a nation. A Russian victory is taking Kyiv and accomplishing the goals they set out to on 2-24-22. Russia was closest to those goals in the weeks around 2-24. If Ukraine succeeds in breaking the land bridge from Crimea to the mainland-and I believe they will-Russia will have traded 250k men, another countless hundreds of thousands wounded, trillions in lost assets and military hardware, and political and economic isolation for a few clumps of land. That is a victory for Ukraine and a defeat for Russia. Putin has a personal desire to own Kyiv because of the history of the Rus and Kyivan rus and a need to re-write it. He also can't claim to be a Tsar without owning Ukraine. As the saying goes: Russia with Ukraine is an empire Russia without Ukraine is just a country View Quote |
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Quoted: Probably not any day now. Another year probably. Russia has already been defeated, just like the Japanese were at the battle of Midway in 1944. They just don't know it yet and refuse to acknowledge it. It took a lot of hard slogging through the pacific in island hopping campaigns and 2 nuclear bombs before Japan surrendered. View Quote |
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Quoted: Biden creates $8 Trillion of new debt and you are crying about $100 Billion? Would you rather increase the defense budget to $2-3 Trillion? Face it, we don't have the manpower to build a military for a global WWIII. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When figures like $100B of more debt are drops in the bucket, we are in the collapse of the empire stage of our nation. Biden creates $8 Trillion of new debt and you are crying about $100 Billion? Would you rather increase the defense budget to $2-3 Trillion? Face it, we don't have the manpower to build a military for a global WWIII. Bankruptcy is initially very slow, then all the sudden it is very fast. I am not sure who is more foolish, the people who are making the policy decisions or people who are good with following their policies even though they have declared them fools and idiots. |
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Quoted: And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. You seriously think Russia is a threat to Europe, aside from launching nukes at it, after the abysmal display in Ukraine? |
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Quoted: No, this is a war of genocide and wiping out people. It is a war of aggression that is a stepping stone to a Russian Federation that controls Europe. Containing it to Ukraine is a fallacy. Russia can not gain a square inch without consequences or they will keep going. Putin cares about what he gains, not what he loses. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine's big counteroffensive has netted them less than 100 square miles. It's like Gary Coleman throwing little haymakers as Mike Tyson covers up so as not to get a bruise. The US can help Gary tie up Tyson as much as possible, but it's obvious to all that Tyson isn't dropping the big bombs yet, because he doesn't have to. This is a war of milking. Young men die so that the corrupt get rich, and so that both sides drum up more support from their respective and perspective allies. Does anyone deny that if Russia wanted Ukraine wiped off the map tomorrow, that it would be so? No, this is a war of genocide and wiping out people. It is a war of aggression that is a stepping stone to a Russian Federation that controls Europe. Containing it to Ukraine is a fallacy. Russia can not gain a square inch without consequences or they will keep going. Putin cares about what he gains, not what he loses. "No, this is a war of genocide and wiping out people" Currently happening in multiple places around the world, none of which you give a shit about. So quit the moral crusade. |
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Quoted: Ukraine isn't going to win. And Russia isn't going to just give up. This will drag out for years. And yes, as far as the US is concerned, that's the point. The last time the US dragged out a Russian war for close to a decade, it collapsed the Soviet Union, and they didn't invade anyone else again for a long time. Since Putin is rebuilding the Soviet Union, that's been the mission statement for continued US assistance for quite a while now. And it'll probably work again too. View Quote I'm not sure our financial situation is what is was the last few times we've pulled this maneuver. |
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Quoted: oh ya....any deviation from the CIA/Psyops approved party line meant you were "kremlin shill..." Putin puppet..." etc etc.... View Quote It's been like that in pretty much every online comment section with text. Always amusing seeing a regular guy post an opinion, then get called state backed propaganda by the poster who actually looks the most like state backed propaganda because they are repeatedly using a broken script. getting called a bot/shill by some of the pro-ukraine posters out there, is like if the home warranty robocalls got reversed and started accusing me of trying to sell a home warranty |
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Quoted: When figures like $100B of more debt are drops in the bucket, we are in the collapse of the empire stage of our nation. View Quote more like 50B, and that is 6-7% our annual DoD budget. Thinking the Ukraine aid will bankrupt us is like the boomer that thinks a $5 coffee is why the gen-zer cant buy a house |
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Never was winnable, hence Russia will nuke the territory in to a glass parking lot, before it allows a Nato base on its boarder.
Hell, USA/Nato pulling all troops out of the regain before the conflict, should tell you that is as a no winner to begin with. Simply, its a distraction to keep Russia busy, while the Poland nato bases is finished. https://www.nato.int/nato-on-the-map/#layer-1&lat=51.72673918960763&lon=4.84911701440904&zoom=0 |
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Quoted: more like 50B, and that is 6-7% our annual DoD budget. Thinking the Ukraine aid will bankrupt us is like the boomer that thinks a $5 coffee is why the gen-zer cant buy a house View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When figures like $100B of more debt are drops in the bucket, we are in the collapse of the empire stage of our nation. more like 50B, and that is 6-7% our annual DoD budget. Thinking the Ukraine aid will bankrupt us is like the boomer that thinks a $5 coffee is why the gen-zer cant buy a house All the extraneous BS money, this included add up. How much experience do you have with the DoD budget? It’s large but taking 50 billion dollars out means 50 billion dollars of programs that were funding are no longer funded. We are using money that is meant for training, maintenance, R&D and future weapons to pay for this. And all those weapons that were previous bought now need to be bought again at an inflated price, which is going to be impossible with the current below inflation rate growth of that budget. |
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Quoted: That was signed in 2014. The Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994. Russian agreed to drop all territorial claims and pledge to respect Ukraine's sovereignty. Historically, no one should be surprised Russia broke the agreement. Russia is the one who is committing genocide, and trying to wipe their culture and freedom off the map. What you are saying is meaningless. France and Germany are famous for slow-leaking everyone, including the EU and NATO. View Quote |
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Quoted: I have stated multiple times I'm fine with nixing financial aid, military aid only. Go on projecting tho. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He is pretending that we aren't paying their government salaries and expenses as well as pensions, some going back to the USSR days. Go on projecting tho. I wasn’t quoting you, I was quoting lorzepam who is ignoring the $$$, but the aid is inextricably intertwined. If we didn’t pay cash they wouldn’t be fighting either. |
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Quoted: You are saying they don't have freedom and should not exist. Should not the same reasoning apply to you? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You brought it up as if we support welfare so we shouldn’t mind paying for Ukrainian. You are saying they don't have freedom and should not exist. Should not the same reasoning apply to you? What in the bloody fuck are you taking about? Are you ok? |
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Quoted: I wasn’t quoting you, I was quoting lorzepam who is ignoring the $$$, but the aid is inextricably intertwined. If we didn’t pay cash they wouldn’t be fighting either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He is pretending that we aren't paying their government salaries and expenses as well as pensions, some going back to the USSR days. Go on projecting tho. I wasn’t quoting you, I was quoting lorzepam who is ignoring the $$$, but the aid is inextricably intertwined. If we didn’t pay cash they wouldn’t be fighting either. He also keeps telling the lies about them only getting obsolete equipment even though he has been told multiple times that is not true. |
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Quoted: What in the bloody fuck are you taking about? Are you ok? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You brought it up as if we support welfare so we shouldn’t mind paying for Ukrainian. You are saying they don't have freedom and should not exist. Should not the same reasoning apply to you? What in the bloody fuck are you taking about? Are you ok? This sort of sounds like same argument made by foaming at the mouth liberals: if we don’t pay for their XXXXX, we are banning it. XXXXX could be birth control, abortion, gender studies degree. |
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Quoted: LOL Explain the scandals and crimes at the Federal state, and local levels across this country. Even a blind man can see the corrosive effect. You deny what is happening in the USA and redirect attention elsewhere. Our entitlement programs are a red flag of corruption and vote buying. Politicians come into office as nonmillionaires and leave filthy rich and you don't think that is corrupt? My family and I have traveled enough around the world to see corruption everywhere. Ukraine is far from the Worst. Russia is far worse. China is far worse. Rather than call corruption what it is in the USA, we call it politics as usual, the cost of doing business, and lobbying. Look at the charities run by people raking in huge salaries but help no one but themselves. We hold the record for fake charities and shell corporations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You don’t have a clue if you think our bureaucracy is worse than a former Soviet republics! As to the rest of the freedom definition, they don’t have freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, etc. they were incredibly corrupt. Corruption is directly due to government oppression. Corruption is the opposite of freedom. LOL Explain the scandals and crimes at the Federal state, and local levels across this country. Even a blind man can see the corrosive effect. You deny what is happening in the USA and redirect attention elsewhere. Our entitlement programs are a red flag of corruption and vote buying. Politicians come into office as nonmillionaires and leave filthy rich and you don't think that is corrupt? My family and I have traveled enough around the world to see corruption everywhere. Ukraine is far from the Worst. Russia is far worse. China is far worse. Rather than call corruption what it is in the USA, we call it politics as usual, the cost of doing business, and lobbying. Look at the charities run by people raking in huge salaries but help no one but themselves. We hold the record for fake charities and shell corporations. The incredibly corrupt US government is propping up the incredibly corrupt Ukrainian government. Some day you will understand. |
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Quoted: You can't be serious. Most people believe it to be true. View Quote Right now I'd say they stopped losing. Which is a good thing but let's not get too far out over our skis. The most likely outcome has always been that the US get tired of the war before the Russians do and they reach some kind of peace deal. Which the Russians will use to re-arm and they will probably take another crack at it in the future. At which point the world will determine that Russia needs to go away. Given it's crashed demography it probably will slowly anyway. |
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By "winnable" they really mean "sustainable" as a source of graft & corruption...
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Quoted: It's been like that in pretty much every online comment section with text. Always amusing seeing a regular guy post an opinion, then get called state backed propaganda by the poster who actually looks the most like state backed propaganda because they are repeatedly using a broken script. getting called a bot/shill by some of the pro-ukraine posters out there, is like if the home warranty robocalls got reversed and started accusing me of trying to sell a home warranty View Quote Yup, half the guys in the Ukraine thread are reading from the same script and trying to get anyone that disagrees with em banned. |
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Quoted: I agree. If putin wanted to take ukraine, he could. you dont take a country with what 200k troops? Its been said before, I dont think his goal was take all of ukraine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You really believe that shit ? Just by looking at the number of personnel used in the operation you can see it was never the goal. Russia doesn’t give a shit about western Ukraine. Nobody does. There is literally nothing of interest there. I agree. If putin wanted to take ukraine, he could. you dont take a country with what 200k troops? Its been said before, I dont think his goal was take all of ukraine. You think they (Russia) haven’t been trying?!? |
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Quoted: Do you think the Ukrainian people would be better off if a ceasefire was declared and was able to hold for a year while negotiations were underway? Or, would continued fighting for the next year somehow improve their lives? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Absolutely. What did the Russian victory Declaration state? “Oh we took eastern Ukraine we are done now”. It said “Ukraine has returned to Russia”. That’s verbatim from the release. Not the east. Not the west. Russia wanted all of Ukraine and the people in it, from Odesa to Kharkiv to Lviv. The fsb planned the operation. They went with what their spies told them-nobody would fight for the “Kyiv regime”. It’s not our fault Russia planned a war so shortsightedly and incompetently it makes my first ftx as a private look like a master display of chess. Do you think the Ukrainian people would be better off if a ceasefire was declared and was able to hold for a year while negotiations were underway? Or, would continued fighting for the next year somehow improve their lives? So give the Russians a year to mass and plan? Yes a ceasefire could be bad for the war effort. |
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Quoted: UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia. I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. View Quote How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? |
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They don't have to "win" they just need to make it VERY painful for the Russians.
If the Russians declare victory, we will lay an insurgency on them that will make Afghanistan look like a trip to Disney. |
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Quoted: Never was winnable, hence Russia will nuke the territory in to a glass parking lot, before it allows a Nato base on its boarder. Hell, USA/Nato pulling all troops out of the regain before the conflict, should tell you that is as a no winner to begin with. Simply, its a distraction to keep Russia busy, while the Poland nato bases is finished. https://www.nato.int/nato-on-the-map/#layer-1&lat=51.72673918960763&lon=4.84911701440904&zoom=0 View Quote Finland is NATO now. The Baltic States border Russia and were NATO prior to invasion. |
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Quoted: It was View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I agree. If putin wanted to take ukraine, he could. you dont take a country with what 200k troops? Its been said before, I dont think his goal was take all of ukraine. Fixed it for you and your selective memory. The dumbasses in the kremlin made a total rookie mistake. They believed their own bollocks. |
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Quoted: How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia. I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? The Ukrainians can fight as long as they want, it’s the US arms that are being depleted and its potential effects on this nation I am concerned with. |
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Does this mean I can keep working so I can pay for Ukrainian pensions?
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Quoted: Yup, half the guys in the Ukraine thread are reading from the same script and trying to get anyone that disagrees with em banned. View Quote Yes they even call out people by name they want banned. That thread is a total embarrassment of groupthink yet anyone who even remotely questions the narrative is labeled a Russian and incapable of thinking for themselves. Ironic, since the entire establishment of the West is for the war. |
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