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Failed To Load Title The whole podcast/video is good, but specifically, who do you agree with more on this topic or who presents the stronger case? Or is it just a small taste of an important debate? Watch the whole clip poll inbound |
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'If we are going to maintain the freedom and stability....there are two ways we can tackle that....the constitution was only built for a moral and virtuous people, it wasn't built for any other...and if we are no longer moral and no longer virtuous, so we have to change freedom. Or, if you want to maintain the freedom, we have to become a moral and virtuous people again' View Quote |
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Tucker is wrong.
Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. |
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. View Quote I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. |
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Tucker by default.
Shapiro is no 2A purist. Supports the NFA, banning of bump stocks (along with Trump and the NRAint) etc. |
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I don't like to watch or listen to either of them. They are both academic debaters, and I feel as though I am listening to a college kid on stage at a university just trying to score a point. There's not a whole lot of real anger or emotion with either of those two guys when they voice their point. It comes accross as purely academic. Tucker especially annoys me via allowing the worst libtard guests onto his show to voice their warped opinion. Keep the lefty SOBs on MSNBC. I don't need to hear them on Fox!!
I will NOT be able to change the mind of a Michael Moore America hater or a college professor who promotes leftist indoctrination to his students. Why waste time talking with these kinds of people? It accomplishes nothing and I don't find it entertaining. |
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I understand what Tucker is saying, as does everyone here on Arfcom, but it has been my 65 year experience on this earth that you simply cannot stop progress.
Sucks in some regards but you really can't stop it.....it is part of life and should be accepted for the most part IMHO. In defense of Carlson, am I 100 percent sure I am right...…...no. People have wrestled with this issue since forever...……... |
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Do you have a better answer to the question of job loss? How can you rationalize knowingly making millions of Americans jobless due simply to convenience? I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. |
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What other industries or career fields do you think should be subsidized or are too big to fail? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. Trucking isnt to big to fail, in fact we are talking about it failing, and failing soon. Death. Cult. |
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. |
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I had the opportunity to meet Ben Shapiro last week. We sat down and talked for about 15 minutes. He is down to earth, and is a true believer in the 2nd amendment. I walked away having a greater respect for him.
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Neither I or not Tucker mentioned subsidizing anything Trucking isnt to big to fail, in fact we are talking about it failing, and failing soon. Death. Cult. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. Trucking isnt to big to fail, in fact we are talking about it failing, and failing soon. Death. Cult. |
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If government regulations purposely stifle competition to an industry, there is a hidden tax where the consumer is subsidizing that benefitting industry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. Trucking isnt to big to fail, in fact we are talking about it failing, and failing soon. Death. Cult. Like it doesn't actually exist? I guess so |
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I had the opportunity to meet Ben Shapiro last week. We sat down and talked for about 15 minutes. He is down to earth, and is a true believer in the 2nd amendment. I walked away having a greater respect for him. View Quote Shapiro is a milquetoast conservative at best. He supports the NFA and banning bump stocks. |
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These arguments are what people and government SHOULD be arguing about and working through. But our congress is too stupid, corrupt, and afraid to talk about what matters. They can’t even do budgets anymore. Pathetic.
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Neither of these guys have worked an honest job their entire lives. Both were born wealthy (Tucker the heir to the Swanson fortune) and have basically been political pundits their entire lives since getting their degrees.
That having been said - Tucker is making a more nuanced argument here though I don't necessarily like the conclusion (we can't protect every industry just to try and save jobs) whereas Shapiro comes across as a naive ideologue but his conclusion (people need to get the skills in demand and then go move to where the jobs are) seems more sound. |
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Neither of these guys have worked an honest job their entire lives. Both were born wealthy (Tucker the heir to the Swanson fortune) and have basically been political pundits their entire lives since getting their degrees. That having been said - Tucker is making a more nuanced argument here though I don't necessarily like the conclusion (we can't protect every industry just to try and save jobs) whereas Shapiro comes across as a naive ideologue but his conclusion (people need to get the skills in demand and then go move to where the jobs are) seems more sound. View Quote |
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Shapiro isn't wrong all the time, but he has a voice that goes through my head like a knife.
And his anti-Trump stance is often times irrational. |
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These arguments are what people and government SHOULD be arguing about and working through. But our congress is too stupid, corrupt, and afraid to talk about what matters. They can’t even do budgets anymore. Pathetic. View Quote Basically is the USA our homeland or is it a global marketplace and resource? |
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That is your conclusion though, not his. He is discussing the number one employment field that is currently in danger of being obsoleted in the somewhat near future. Abstracting and extrapolating everything is why nothing positive is ever done and we all just look around wondering what is happening to our country. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neither of these guys have worked an honest job their entire lives. Both were born wealthy (Tucker the heir to the Swanson fortune) and have basically been political pundits their entire lives since getting their degrees. That having been said - Tucker is making a more nuanced argument here though I don't necessarily like the conclusion (we can't protect every industry just to try and save jobs) whereas Shapiro comes across as a naive ideologue but his conclusion (people need to get the skills in demand and then go move to where the jobs are) seems more sound. |
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Farming for one, which we already do subsidize in order to maintain a high domestic production level. We subsidize energy as well, similar reasons. You can go full on autistic muh markets like Ben Shapiro or take a pragmatic approach like Tucker and recognize we already do these things and we have the tools to get ahead of the problem. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. Do you think the retired guy selling ears of corn at the farmers market the fall should get the same protections as Cargill has? |
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Tucker isn't right on this, however he does lay out plenty of logic to what he he thinks. He put far more thought into his answer than any liberal I have ever seen.
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Quoted: That is your conclusion though, not his. He is discussing the number one employment field that is currently in danger of being obsoleted in the somewhat near future. Abstracting and extrapolating everything is why nothing positive is ever done and we all just look around wondering what is happening to our country. View Quote Now, I'm not adopting the libertarian "fuck you, not my fault if everyone loses their job" position. However, if the government is going to spend money I'd rather they spend it on re-training the truck drivers and helping them adapt to a new job than spend it trying to protect something that is becoming obsolete due to technology. |
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Hidden? Like it doesn't actually exist? I guess so View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. Trucking isnt to big to fail, in fact we are talking about it failing, and failing soon. Death. Cult. Like it doesn't actually exist? I guess so |
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Do you think kale needs to be subsidized the manner wheat is subsidized? Do you think the retired guy selling ears of corn at the farmers market the fall should get the same protections as Cargill has? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tucker is wrong. Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level. I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. Do you think the retired guy selling ears of corn at the farmers market the fall should get the same protections as Cargill has? |
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I feel like autonomous trucks will stay the fuck out of the left lane... So Shapiro.
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So what happens when we ban self-driving trucks to protect truck drivers' jobs and every other country allows self-driving trucks? Then not only do all of our goods become more expensive due to higher logistics/transportation costs, but we also miss out on an entirely new industry designing, building, and maintaining self-driving trucks. Now, I'm not adopting the libertarian "fuck you, not my fault if everyone loses their job" position. However, if the government is going to spend money I'd rather they spend it on re-training the truck drivers and helping them adapt to a new job than spend it trying to protect something that is becoming obsolete due to technology. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That is your conclusion though, not his. He is discussing the number one employment field that is currently in danger of being obsoleted in the somewhat near future. Abstracting and extrapolating everything is why nothing positive is ever done and we all just look around wondering what is happening to our country. Now, I'm not adopting the libertarian "fuck you, not my fault if everyone loses their job" position. However, if the government is going to spend money I'd rather they spend it on re-training the truck drivers and helping them adapt to a new job than spend it trying to protect something that is becoming obsolete due to technology. |
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But in a hypothetical scenario where some small town relies heavily on kale production to drive it's local economy I would support a subsidy (tariff, or otherwise) to protect that from imports in order to maintain the ecosystem of that town and their family's history and soil. View Quote |
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What is mu position on driverless trucks or on the questions I asked you? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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For how long though? I mean, I could maybe see doing this for a short period of time while they transition to something else. But as an ongoing policy? We'd still have towns making horse drawn carriages, carburetors, tube TVs, cassette players, and a whole host of other shit no one wants to buy all at taxpayer expense. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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But in a hypothetical scenario where some small town relies heavily on kale production to drive it's local economy I would support a subsidy (tariff, or otherwise) to protect that from imports in order to maintain the ecosystem of that town and their family's history and soil. |
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I can't believe so many people actually want motherfucking robots on the roads.
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Wall Street hates us. Why are we defending them again? View Quote Attached File |
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Why don't we just design, build and export self driving vehicles. We don't have to miss that market, we can produce and export things without deploying them here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Why don't we just design, build and export self driving vehicles. We don't have to miss that market, we can produce and export things without deploying them here. As for more expensive goods, as Tucker was saying there are social and societal costs |
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Quoted: I suppose when people were no longer buying the product it wouldn't make sense. People would still be buying kale, I doubt there is a market for cassette players at any price. View Quote |
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Because it's next to impossible to start an export industry with no domestic demand from scratch. Historically, you generally start with a domestic industry and then grow internationally once it's established. Which is why free market capitalism cannot be a religion - Tucker was absolutely right about that. Free markets work for most stuff but not everything. A prime example where markets fail is when there are externalities, which is what you point out here. This REQUIRES government intervention, something many on the right do not want to hear. However, the real question needs to be - what sort of intervention? I favor an approach like government job re-training and relocation support rather than trying to protect industries which are becoming technologically obsolete. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why don't we just design, build and export self driving vehicles. We don't have to miss that market, we can produce and export things without deploying them here. As for more expensive goods, as Tucker was saying there are social and societal costs |
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