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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:45:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Wonder if this is because they do in-fact plan to stop allowing Trusts... (aside from the fact they managed to have a worse site than obamacare.)
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:47:56 PM EDT
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Eforms must be unacceptably quick and efficient.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:48:09 PM EDT
[#3]
It was fun while it lasted. I didn't follow the NFA scene too hard and didn't even know it was a thing until a few months ago. It actually encouraged me to acquire NFA shit (I didn't, but I was thinking hard about SBSing a shotgun), but now it's gone, and once again the price, as well as the amount of work involved, makes me have no interest in NFA for the time being.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:48:17 PM EDT
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I've been trying to get an eForm filled out and the system is fucked. Thanks for wasting my fucking time. Should have done paper to begin with. 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:49:29 PM EDT
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Eforms must be unacceptably quick and efficient. My Form 1 SBR took 92 days. Yes, much too efficient to be tolerated by the .gov |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:50:22 PM EDT
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I've been trying to get an eForm filled out and the system is fucked. Thanks for wasting my fucking time. Should have done paper to begin with. Well, you had to complain to them didn't you 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:51:19 PM EDT
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Wonder if this is because they do in-fact plan to stop allowing Trusts... (aside from the fact they managed to have a worse site than obamacare.) God lord. The ATF can't "stop allowing Trusts". Congress if it wishes could rewrite or amend the NFA Act. But the ATF can not. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:53:11 PM EDT
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I've been trying to get an eForm filled out and the system is fucked. Thanks for wasting my fucking time. Should have done paper to begin with. Well, you had to complain to them didn't you This is like the Obamacare website ridiculousness. We're not talking about a complicated transfer of information. Type in a little info and upload some documents. I have no idea why they couldn't get this right. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:54:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God lord. The ATF can't "stop allowing Trusts". Congress if it wishes could rewrite or amend the NFA Act. But the ATF can not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wonder if this is because they do in-fact plan to stop allowing Trusts... (aside from the fact they managed to have a worse site than obamacare.) God lord. The ATF can't "stop allowing Trusts". Congress if it wishes could rewrite or amend the NFA Act. But the ATF can not. But can they require CELO signoff for the responsible party of a trust? |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:54:58 PM EDT
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It's funny how the IRS computers can process everyone's taxes in the entire country in a matter of hours without crashing and the ATF computer can't even handle 10,000 people..
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:55:13 PM EDT
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Hopefully by the time I get a trust set up it will be back up and running.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:55:17 PM EDT
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Awesome. My Saker has been pending since 1/21 via eform and my dealer just got my Tirant9s Monday. Doubt he was able to get it form 4ed this week.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:55:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Hopefully it's only down temporarily. I had been trying to register for three days when I found that message.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:55:50 PM EDT
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God lord. The ATF can't "stop allowing Trusts". Congress if it wishes could rewrite or amend the NFA Act. But the ATF can not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if this is because they do in-fact plan to stop allowing Trusts... (aside from the fact they managed to have a worse site than obamacare.) God lord. The ATF can't "stop allowing Trusts". Congress if it wishes could rewrite or amend the NFA Act. But the ATF can not. Yeah, the ATF NEVER steps outside their boundaries and ignores the scope of powers lawfully given to them. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:57:10 PM EDT
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It's funny how the IRS computers can process everyone's taxes in the entire country in a matter of hours without crashing and the ATF computer can't even handle 10,000 people.. The government getting its hands on your money is serious business. They couldn't give a flying fuck about giving you permission to exercise your natural born rights. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:02:41 PM EDT
[#16]
Translation:
We saw how many people were obtaining weapons we don't really want you to have, with less deterrence than the normal bureaucratic wait times, so we pulled the plug on this easy path for you peasants. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:04:16 PM EDT
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eForm had lots of issues anyways...a 2 MB file limit for uploading a trust? Yeah, that works great...until you get one of the typical idiot lawyers who decided to draft someone's trust up into a 47-page mini-novel. You're totally screwed then...
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:05:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:06:04 PM EDT
[#19]
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eForm had lots of issues anyways...a 2 MB file limit for uploading a trust? Yeah, that works great... if everyone didnt use .doc, it would. use RTF format - can be read by ANYTHING. Mac, PC, Linux, your phone, and file sizes are smaller. ETA: Not saying it isn't bullshit, just a minirant against proprietary file types. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:06:53 PM EDT
[#20]
Well it was only actually working for a total of 6 hours since it was created so.......
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:08:40 PM EDT
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if everyone didnt use .doc, it would. use RTF format - can be read by ANYTHING. Mac, PC, Linux, your phone, and file sizes are smaller. ETA: Not saying it isn't bullshit, just a minirant against proprietary file types. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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eForm had lots of issues anyways...a 2 MB file limit for uploading a trust? Yeah, that works great... if everyone didnt use .doc, it would. use RTF format - can be read by ANYTHING. Mac, PC, Linux, your phone, and file sizes are smaller. ETA: Not saying it isn't bullshit, just a minirant against proprietary file types. The trust has to be signed, notarized, etc... I think. Who knows. Either way, I'm displeased.
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:13:56 PM EDT
[#22]
Well....that sucks.
I didn't want to wait a year on a Form 4. 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:15:25 PM EDT
[#23]
well fuck, I was just planning on submitting round 2 sometime in the next month.
At least I have two forms pending |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:17:38 PM EDT
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Translation: Quote HistoryQuoted:
Translation: We saw how many people were obtaining weapons we don't really want you to have, with less deterrence than the normal bureaucratic wait times, so we pulled the plug on this easy path for you peasants. ayup |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:18:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Well, FUCK. I had 3 things to e-file.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:18:20 PM EDT
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See their website: https://www.atfonline.gov/EForms/ "The eForms software is not performing to our expectations. As a result, we are taking the eForms system down until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your patience as we work with our industry partners to deliver a quality product. Any eForm submitted will continue to be processed. The finalized forms will be sent to the user via email. Until the eForms system is returned to service for the industry, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status." I see: eForms Outage Due to maintenance, the eForms system is unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you in advance for your cooperation and patience. In the interim, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status. · Tax refund for draft eForms o Direct a request for refund to [email protected] o Include the email that was generated for the payment · Copy of submitted or finalized eForm o Direct a request to [email protected] o Provide specific information regarding what is being requested · Status queries o Contact the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4550 o Contact the Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch at (304) 616-4550 · Other eForms questions o Direct the question to [email protected] |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:19:12 PM EDT
[#27]
I knew that site was a cluster as soon as I saw how frequently they were "restarting" it. Too bad the NSA isn't managing it.
Guess the new restart times email turned out to be an April Fool's joke: Good afternoon:
You are in receipt of this email because you are a registered user of ATF eForms. Please review the attached Urgent Notice relating to an important issue we are experiencing with the eForms system. Reminder: In an attempt to improve the performance of eForms we are restarting the eForms system everyday at the following times (Eastern time). During each restart eForms will be unavailable for 1 hour. Restart times: 4:00 AM, 9:00 AM, NOON, 4:00 PM, 11:00 PM Text of the page has changed: 
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:20:19 PM EDT
[#28]
That sucks.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:20:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Sure. Michigan allows SBR and SBS as of a week ago. I got a trust just for the faster e-file. Now it gets shut down.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:20:52 PM EDT
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Yeah, the ATF NEVER steps outside their boundaries and ignores the scope of powers lawfully given to them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if this is because they do in-fact plan to stop allowing Trusts... (aside from the fact they managed to have a worse site than obamacare.) God lord. The ATF can't "stop allowing Trusts". Congress if it wishes could rewrite or amend the NFA Act. But the ATF can not. Yeah, the ATF NEVER steps outside their boundaries and ignores the scope of powers lawfully given to them. That's really all that needed to be said. Glad you beat me to it, lol.. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:21:52 PM EDT
[#31]
God damn it I was waiting till after I paid my taxes I was gonna make my 1st suppressor purchase!
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:23:16 PM EDT
[#32]
They should offer a Point of Sale option. Any Class 3 FFL may be certified as a NFA Examiner at the FFLs expense, FFL could charge up to a $50 surcharge per transaction.
FFLs make a bunch of money, ATF makes a bunch of money, and a shitload more NFA in citizen's hands. WIN-WIN-WIN. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:23:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Yep..the text changed. Is that good or bad?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:23:51 PM EDT
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They should offer a Point of Sale option. Any Class 3 FFL may be certified as a NFA Examiner at the FFLs expense, FFL could charge up to a $50 surcharge per transaction. FFLs make a bunch of money, ATF makes a bunch of money, and a shitload more NFA in citizen's hands. WIN-WIN-WIN. And the part in BOLD is the problem. 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:25:35 PM EDT
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Sure. Michigan allows SBR and SBS as of a week ago. I got a trust just for the faster e-file. Now it gets shut down. Serious bummer. I was planning to go this route soon for a 300 blk SBR.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:28:29 PM EDT
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See their website: https://www.atfonline.gov/EForms/ "The eForms software is not performing to our expectations. As a result, we are taking the eForms system down until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your patience as we work with our industry partners to deliver a quality product. Any eForm submitted will continue to be processed. The finalized forms will be sent to the user via email. Until the eForms system is returned to service for the industry, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status." I see: eForms Outage Due to maintenance, the eForms system is unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you in advance for your cooperation and patience. In the interim, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status. · Tax refund for draft eForms o Direct a request for refund to [email protected] o Include the email that was generated for the payment · Copy of submitted or finalized eForm o Direct a request to [email protected] o Provide specific information regarding what is being requested · Status queries o Contact the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4550 o Contact the Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch at (304) 616-4550 · Other eForms questions o Direct the question to [email protected] I accessed the site at approximately 7:35pm EST on 4/4/14 and what I posted was taken verbatim from their page. They must have *just* changed the text on the eForms screen. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:29:43 PM EDT
[#37]
Eforms was doomed as soon as the ATF proposed the new trust/corp rules. How do you efile a fingerprint card?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:30:18 PM EDT
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I accessed the site at approximately 7:35pm EST on 4/4/14 and what I posted was taken verbatim from their page. They must have *just* changed the text on the eForms screen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See their website: https://www.atfonline.gov/EForms/ "The eForms software is not performing to our expectations. As a result, we are taking the eForms system down until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your patience as we work with our industry partners to deliver a quality product. Any eForm submitted will continue to be processed. The finalized forms will be sent to the user via email. Until the eForms system is returned to service for the industry, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status." I see: eForms Outage Due to maintenance, the eForms system is unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you in advance for your cooperation and patience. In the interim, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status. · Tax refund for draft eForms o Direct a request for refund to [email protected] o Include the email that was generated for the payment · Copy of submitted or finalized eForm o Direct a request to [email protected] o Provide specific information regarding what is being requested · Status queries o Contact the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4550 o Contact the Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch at (304) 616-4550 · Other eForms questions o Direct the question to [email protected] I accessed the site at approximately 7:35pm EST on 4/4/14 and what I posted was taken verbatim from their page. They must have *just* changed the text on the eForms screen. I can confirm the original text. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:31:42 PM EDT
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The trust has to be signed, notarized, etc... I think. Who knows. Either way, I'm displeased.
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» Quote HistoryQuoted:
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eForm had lots of issues anyways...a 2 MB file limit for uploading a trust? Yeah, that works great... if everyone didnt use .doc, it would. use RTF format - can be read by ANYTHING. Mac, PC, Linux, your phone, and file sizes are smaller. ETA: Not saying it isn't bullshit, just a minirant against proprietary file types. The trust has to be signed, notarized, etc... I think. Who knows. Either way, I'm displeased.
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» .... ".JPG" ? |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:32:57 PM EDT
[#40]
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.... ".JPG" ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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eForm had lots of issues anyways...a 2 MB file limit for uploading a trust? Yeah, that works great... if everyone didnt use .doc, it would. use RTF format - can be read by ANYTHING. Mac, PC, Linux, your phone, and file sizes are smaller. ETA: Not saying it isn't bullshit, just a minirant against proprietary file types. The trust has to be signed, notarized, etc... I think. Who knows. Either way, I'm displeased.
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» .... ".JPG" ? I uploaded my trust as a scanned PDF file. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:33:22 PM EDT
[#41]
Sure are a lot of tin foil hats going on in here. How about everyone not get their panties in a twist and go outside and get some fresh air.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:35:19 PM EDT
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Sure are a lot of tin foil hats going on in here. How about everyone not get their panties in a twist and go outside and get some fresh air. Why? Do y'all have snipers set up? And no. I don't want pancakes. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:38:39 PM EDT
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.... ".JPG" ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The trust has to be signed, notarized, etc... I think. Who knows. .... ".JPG" ? Well, a JPEG for each page would individually be less than 2 MB, but eff that. That said, my slimmed-down scanned trust is 13 pages, only 0.636 MB, and it's still legible in a PDF. The hi-res scan is 9 MB. __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:39:35 PM EDT
[#44]
why don't they just use nics check? I think that works quite well to make sure someone is law abiding.
oh yea it's the Gov.... My last eforms were submitted about 130 days ago not that I'm counting |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:41:08 PM EDT
[#45]
I hope my dealer got my form 4 submitted in time!
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:46:11 PM EDT
[#46]
I'm glad I got two of them off at the beginning of the month. I wanted to register two SBRs, fuck me know.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:46:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Good, maybe they'll fix it.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:53:49 PM EDT
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I accessed the site at approximately 7:35pm EST on 4/4/14 and what I posted was taken verbatim from their page. They must have *just* changed the text on the eForms screen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See their website: https://www.atfonline.gov/EForms/ "The eForms software is not performing to our expectations. As a result, we are taking the eForms system down until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your patience as we work with our industry partners to deliver a quality product. Any eForm submitted will continue to be processed. The finalized forms will be sent to the user via email. Until the eForms system is returned to service for the industry, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status." I see: eForms Outage Due to maintenance, the eForms system is unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you in advance for your cooperation and patience. In the interim, all imports forms (Forms 6 Part I and 6A), NFA forms (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10), and AFMER reports (Form 5300.11) must be submitted via paper, including any eForms in draft status. · Tax refund for draft eForms o Direct a request for refund to [email protected] o Include the email that was generated for the payment · Copy of submitted or finalized eForm o Direct a request to [email protected] o Provide specific information regarding what is being requested · Status queries o Contact the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4550 o Contact the Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch at (304) 616-4550 · Other eForms questions o Direct the question to [email protected] I accessed the site at approximately 7:35pm EST on 4/4/14 and what I posted was taken verbatim from their page. They must have *just* changed the text on the eForms screen. Now that it's changed, you should edit the OP and title. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:55:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Glad I got mine back last week! They did change the text, which is odd.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:55:27 PM EDT
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I hope my dealer got my form 4 submitted in time! Same here. They said it should have been submitted by today.. Called them to confirm and I told them about the outage. Didn't believe me... |
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