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Posted: 2/6/2018 12:16:08 AM EDT
Despite its independence, the Federal Reserve may quietly want a bear market that takes down a president that loves tweeting about the stock market.
Peter Schiff, CEO of Euro Pacific Capital, told TheStreet the "[Janet] Yellen put" in the markets could expire under President Trump. "I don't know if the Fed has much love for Trump," he said, adding that the Fed had the markets' back during the Obama Administration. One black swan event Schiff sees is the notion of investors abandoning the euphoria over Trump's presidency, which helped fuel the stock market rally this year. https://www.thestreet.com/story/14309564/1/federal-reserve-system.html |
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fed doesn't control the market, they may have the biggest oar in the water, but that ain't control. It's to big for them, which is saying something considering the FRB is the most powerful group in human history.
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I did find the timing of their comments about inflation interesting.
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fed doesn't control the market, they may have the biggest oar in the water, but that ain't control. It's to big for them, which is saying something considering the FRB is the most powerful group in human history. View Quote Since they have no issue with PC being job#1 ahead of profits, them pulling a coordinated devaluation to make the current POTUS look bad isn't too far of a stretch. |
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Rope is cheap. I'm guessing there are some really pissed off people today.
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No, but how many fortune 500 CEOs are committed leftists? Since they have no issue with PC being job#1 ahead of profits, them pulling a coordinated devaluation to make the current POTUS look bad isn't too far of a stretch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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fed doesn't control the market, they may have the biggest oar in the water, but that ain't control. It's to big for them, which is saying something considering the FRB is the most powerful group in human history. Since they have no issue with PC being job#1 ahead of profits, them pulling a coordinated devaluation to make the current POTUS look bad isn't too far of a stretch. Ain't like Soros ain't done it to other folks before either. |
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Quoted:No, but how many fortune 500 CEOs are committed leftists?
Since they have no issue with PC being job#1 ahead of profits, them pulling a coordinated devaluation to make the current POTUS look bad isn't too far of a stretch. View Quote |
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Trump should tell them that if the market doesn't go over 30K by the summer & stay there then he is going to publicly audit the Fed...
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Based on past behavior, I find it hard to believe that many CEOs are interested in massive stock market collapses. These guys own way more stock than 99.9999% of the people here will ever dream of. Could they be personal-finance suicide bombers? I guess, but out of the 500 I'd guess you're talking single digits. Most liberals talk a good game (Steve Jobs) and yet when it comes to their business they are often as ruthless/cutthroat as can be. I think the average leftist CEO looks at the current situation and a) does what is best for his company's stock price (because he/she owns a lot of that) and b) donates lots of $ to leftist politicians to make themselves feel better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:No, but how many fortune 500 CEOs are committed leftists?
Since they have no issue with PC being job#1 ahead of profits, them pulling a coordinated devaluation to make the current POTUS look bad isn't too far of a stretch. My other thought is that its merely a naked attempt of trying to shift the glare of this monster from themselves and properties to someone else. Of course when you are so rich, whats a couple hundred billion, sometimes it seems as if the Narrative even takes precedence over Profits. |
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Trump should tell them that if the market doesn't go over 30K by the summer & stay there then he is going to publicly audit the Fed... View Quote |
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If such an insider-driven market collapse were to occur, it wouldn't be the CEOs doing it. Soros tanks other peoples stuff, not his own.
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Quoted:If he intends on doing that, it better be started and completed with utmost secrecy, those who have a negative relationship with Central Banking tend to have a high number of "accidents", "tragic events", "economic downturns" and "regime change". View Quote |
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The big question right now is what the Fed will do: Continue with rate hikes or not.
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So let me get this straight.
We've been having a record breaking market and when there's a little correction, all of a sudden its due to conspiracies and people wanting to bring down Trump? Bad market day after a bunch of records and people instantly panic and come up with this shit. |
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So let me get this straight. We've been having a record breaking market and when there's a little correction, all of a sudden its due to conspiracies and people wanting to bring down Trump? Bad market day after a bunch of records and people instantly panic and come up with this shit. View Quote |
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So let me get this straight. We've been having a record breaking market and when there's a little correction, all of a sudden its due to conspiracies and people wanting to bring down Trump? Bad market day after a bunch of records and people instantly panic and come up with this shit. View Quote Its not like hes made no secret that he knows they are fucking with them. Its not like International Fiance/Federal Reserve isn't the deepest of the deep state. |
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yeah, I like Trump and stuff, but I have a feeling that he's no Andrew 'Old Hickory' Jackson when it comes to evading bankster assassins. AJs 'den of vipers' speech (if it ever actually happened) is probably the 'most savage' speech in American history. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:If he intends on doing that, it better be started and completed with utmost secrecy, those who have a negative relationship with Central Banking tend to have a high number of "accidents", "tragic events", "economic downturns" and "regime change". It put it up there with Eisenhower's warnings about the Military Industrial Complex. |
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So let me get this straight. We've been having a record breaking market and when there's a little correction, all of a sudden its due to conspiracies and people wanting to bring down Trump? Bad market day after a bunch of records and people instantly panic and come up with this shit. View Quote It is perfectly normal. Hell this contraction is actually healthy. 10% drop would be a really good sign. Some people.... |
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The fed has been talking about raising interest rates 3-4 times because inflation (in other words "Feelz"). Just mentioning that causes investors to shit themselves.
My gut feeling is that we have another good year. |
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i dunno if I'd call inflation 'feelz', it's real and it's happening right now. If by that you mean that the FRB is very....selective...in choosing when it should/shouldn't be concerned about inflation enough to do something to rates, then I feel ya.
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Black swan?
OP, so the fed wants to have weird lesbian sex with the stock market? |
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Don't fight the Fed.
Folks have no idea about the totally unnatural nature of "money". Obama had a limitless punch bowl of "free" money throughout his presidency. Who better to take the fall and get the blame for the hangover than a populist like Trump when the free money/booze must inevitably stop flowing? The following was written when CNBC likely believed Hillary would be the next president. 12.3 trillion of QE for this? CNBC 2016 "The numbers are daunting if not shocking: $12.3 trillion of money printing, nearly $10 trillion in negative-yielding global bonds, 654 interest rate cuts since Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008. Those actions have resulted in global growth in advanced economies that likely won't eclipse 2 percent this year, inflation levels that remain well below targets and a burgeoning global debt problem that remains unresolved, withstood only through the lowest interest rates the world has seen in 5,000 years. Put together, it all amounts to the "astonishing history investors are living through today," said Michael Hartnett, chief investment strategist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch who compiled the aforementioned statistics. It's a history of anemic economic growth during the second-longest bull market for stocks. While banks have aggressively pushed quantitative easing along with zero and negative interest rate policies, the results have been uneven. "The cocktail of QE, ZIRP and NIRP has been a potent one for Wall Street and the price of financial assets in the past eight years," Hartnett said in a report for clients, later adding, "And yet the bull market has waned in the past 18 months, there has been no 'normalization' of growth, rates and asset allocation, no 'Great Rotation,' and bonds and stocks have been trapped in a Twilight Zone of volatile trading." That has come amid little growth despite all the accommodation." |
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End the mutherfucking Fed!
Guarantee an audit of fed / US debt would make last weeks memo read like a fucking love letter. |
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Trump tweet: "You want to meet the banking families that own the FED? Well, America, we're gonna meet the banking families that own the FED." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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If I came on here a month before trumps tweet about being wiretapped and said trump was being spied on, most here would've labeled me a kook.
NOTHING could shock me right now , and I wouldn't put it past "them" to tank the economy to get Trump out . |
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They’re going to blame crypto currency for the Wall Street crash .
https://amp.ft.com/content/78bf5612-0b1a-11e8-839d-41ca06376bf2 |
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A recent article made the argument - sorry can't find it this morning - the market is at fair market value from post 2008. Next ceiling is DOW 35,000.
I for one am expecting a retest of a floor at 23,400 then a retest of 22,000. My reentry point will be about 23,900. Expect these volatile days to shorten with program trading. Corrections used to be months, then weeks. Now it can be days and may well shorten even further with computer trading happening in micro-seconds. |
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So let me get this straight. We've been having a record breaking market and when there's a little correction, all of a sudden its due to conspiracies and people wanting to bring down Trump? Bad market day after a bunch of records and people instantly panic and come up with this shit. View Quote The Federal Reserve May Secretly Want to Sink the Record-Breaking Stock Market Attached File |
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So let me get this straight. We've been having a record breaking market and when there's a little correction, all of a sudden its due to conspiracies and people wanting to bring down Trump? Bad market day after a bunch of records and people instantly panic and come up with this shit. View Quote |
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A recent article made the argument - sorry can't find it this morning - the market is at fair market value from post 2008. Next ceiling is DOW 35,000. I for one am expecting a retest of a floor at 23,400 then a retest of 22,000. My reentry point will be about 23,900. Expect these volatile days to shorten with program trading. Corrections used to be months, then weeks. Now it can be days and may well shorten even further with computer trading happening in micro-seconds. View Quote Economists are called gurus because Charlatan is hard to spell. |
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The bankers taking down the economy to manipulate the government?
Never happen! Promise. |
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Ideology remains a major factor, even at the highest level of finance.
The man behind the curtain will not be as nice to the mean old white guy as he was to the skinny, nice black boy. |
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This is a great strategy. Fuck with the money of the citizenry for political gain. What can go wrong?
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I'm not saying I believe this, but it could be something more than normal correction.
How much proof do we need of meddling with the American institutions in order to undermine the will of the people? It's happening in front of us so you cannot rule it out. It is probably just a simple correction however... |
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